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10 Reasons To Be Hopeful About 2009 -- and 3 Reasons To Be Terrified
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We're entering a new year at a time unlike any other in recent memory. Here are 10 reasons I'm filled with hope as I look ahead at 2009 -- and three reasons I'm terrified.
- Young people are stepping up. They know that they formed the backbone of Barack Obama's presidential campaign and that their work infused the country with the "Yes, We Can" spirit. Now that these young people know what success feels like, many will be in it for the long haul.
- Election protection is working. Grassroots vigilance, successful lawsuits and media exposure are making voter-suppression efforts less successful. More remains to be done, but the trends are in the right direction. (One terrifying note, though, is the death in a Dec. 19 plane crash of GOP IT expert Michael Connell, who many believe was poised to reveal secrets related to vote stealing.)
- There is now overwhelming support for universal health care. This grassroots commitment, coupled with Obama's leadership, could make this the year when we finally overcome the roadblocks big insurance and drug corporations have placed in the way of progress. A majority of Americans favor a tax-supported single-payer system like Canada's. The Obama plan, while it's not single-payer, is nonetheless a good plan -- as long as it retains the option for all Americans to join a public health insurance plan.
- Corporate power is on the wane. Barack Obama ran for office without relying on corporate donations in a campaign that saw candidates competing to establish their tough-on-corporate-power bona fides. Even before the Wall Street meltdown, a majority of Americans thought corporations had too much power. The economic collapse is further eroding goodwill toward corporations and big finance, showing instead how both were instrumental in concentrating wealth, creating unsustainable bubbles and putting our way of life at risk. After the trillions of taxpayer money paid out in corporate bailouts, the American people are looking for more fair and sustainable alternatives.
- The failing economy is giving us lots of reasons to be terrified (see below) but also reasons to be hopeful. That rip-roaring economy we're all supposed to be trying to bring back was tearing through the world's rainforests, mountaintops, aquifers, fisheries, soils and other resources, driving thousands of species toward extinction, changing the climate and leaving billions behind in the rush for "economic growth." So, painful as it might be, this downturn represents a chance to build a different sort of economy -- one that offers dignity, livelihoods and a future for our children.
- We're finally getting real about the urgency and scope of the climate challenge. The incoming Obama administration takes science seriously, which means taking climate change seriously, too. The naysayers have quit denying the existence of global warming and have resorted to random delay tactics. Many now see the conversion to a climate-friendly economy as a major opportunity, with new jobs and investment needed to weatherize buildings, retool factories, develop renewable sources of energy and rebuild transportation infrastructure (see below for the terrifying flip side).
- Social movements are building people power. Nonviolent civil disobedience is back. Climate organizers conduct "die-ins" and climate camps to shut down coal plants. Workers at Republic Windows & Doors occupied their factory when they were abruptly dismissed without severance and vacation pay. President-elect Obama backed the Republic workers, implicitly inviting others to stand up for their rights. He also continues to organize people at the grassroots -- right now through health care discussion groups. Thousands of these meetings being held across the country could build a health care reform movement with enough clout to overcome entrenched interests and move forward. (We may wind up calling Obama organizer in chief.)
- DIY (do it yourself) communities are piloting the shift to a people-centered society. These folks understand that real security during tough times is found in the "social capital" of community. At the same time, they are creating experiments in green and just ways of life. They aren't waiting for policy changes or bailouts, instead, they are helping each other now and getting on with the most extraordinary project of our time: building a better world.
- International cooperation is now possible, and it's none too soon. The day of the lone wolf is over. Likewise, the day of the sole superpower that could bend the rest of the world to its will. Climate change, nuclear proliferation, failed states, the Israel-Palestine conflict, the collapse of ocean fisheries, outbreaks of genocide, environmental and human rights refugee crises, HIV/AIDS and other pandemics -- all require international cooperation. That means everyone has a seat at the table, no one gets bullied and the solutions have to be real ones.
- Obama! It's true, he hasn't lived up to all our hopes with his Cabinet picks. On the left-right scale, he's been pretty centrist, and especially his choices for foreign policy and agriculture posts suggest he may repeat the mistakes of the Clinton and Bush appointees he is surrounding himself with. But on the people-versus-big-money scale, he leans toward people and the common good, as the examples above illustrate. And he has elevated the national dialogue, setting a new standard for intelligent, inclusive, nuanced leadership.
- Runaway climate change. The biggest question of the 21st century may be whether policies can catch up to the dangerous realities of a rapidly changing climate in time to avoid disaster. Will we come together to stabilize the climate? Or are we be the last generation to live on a planet that can support complex civilization?
- Loose nukes. We are all in danger from loose nukes, the spread of nuclear materials around the world and nuclear warfare between India and Pakistan or other nuclear-armed adversaries. Ridding the world of nuclear weapons may be the only way of avoiding a nuclear catastrophe; figures across the political spectrum support such proposals, including former Secretary of State George Shultz. Will we have the political will to rid ourselves of this danger?
- Mad Max world. Disruption of life-as-usual could come from economic collapse, runaway climate change, war, peak oil, pandemics or some unforeseen combination of these and other factors. What makes these prospects especially terrifying are potential human responses to them. We could see either societal breakdown -- in which each person turns on others in a battle for dominance or survival -- or fascism, in which people allow all-powerful leaders to run things out of fear of chaos.
What I keep coming back to is this: we humans have the free will to make choices that assure our collective survival, or to do otherwise. We do have the creativity, compassion and intelligence to build on the best possibilities while averting the worst.
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Posted by: Zeugitai on Jan 2, 2009 1:17 AM
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Posted by: HoboHomo on Jan 2, 2009 1:56 AM
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"inclusive" presidency, now is it?
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» Obama has NOT stabbed gays in the back
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jan 2, 2009 2:10 AM
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I'm not being a pessimist, I'm being a realist. Were is all this cash going to come from? Who has there hands out waiting for something? For you its going to be tea and crumpets however out here in the streets I'm looking for Accountability and Results and all I'm seeing is the Dems find religion when it comes to Corporate Welfare.
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» No kidding!
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Posted by: PointMan on Jan 2, 2009 2:15 AM
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Oy
What planet does this one live on?
"Hope you can believe in" Obama was brought to the party by police state corporatists that include Rothschild camp George Soros, Larry Summers and ponzi schemer (ex CitiGroup) Robert Rubin whose handlers surround Obama's inner circle.
But according to Alternet's dippy Disneyland MSM line, everything wicked went out with BushCo and now it's fresh Obama time where daisies and sunshine have more or less come to stay. Sure, never mind that Obama supported Wall Street ponzi bailouts, FISA police state and endless bogus "war on terror" starring BushCo Robert Gates. Can we say Big Time denial?
Not at Alternet or anywhere else at the MSM. Not really.
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Posted by: davescott on Jan 2, 2009 3:17 AM
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We need to create comprehensive incentives for renewable energy. We need a treaty. My hope is that Dems have the courage to take political risks and do both. And the Dem-bashers here need to squarely face the fact that the other side is led by the likes of James Inhofe, John Boehner and their pals at Exxon: environmental criminals.
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Posted by: centure7 on Jan 2, 2009 3:18 AM
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Obama = More Big Government.
Obama = More Wars.
Obama = More Debt! Debt = SLAVERY.
Obama = Less freedoms (voted for "patriot" ACT)
Obama = 4 more years of Bush... FACT!
Young people are such foolish drunks to actually be so hypnotized by his ridiculous laughable NLP techniques that they actually voted for him. Silly parlor tricks got him elected.
And lets not forget that NLP speaking techniques are most effective on who? Oh yeah... YOUNG PEOPLE. Oh some coincidence that is.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 2, 2009 3:38 AM
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The people without hope, it seems to me, are the Republicans, the conspiracy folks, and the third-party types. They're all blowing raspberries at Obama's Presidency, while the rest of the world is singing and dancing.
Oh well. Every party needs a pooper.
Bubbles
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» RE: People without hope
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» RE: People without hope, but with plenty of poop
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» False BS Hope = People without a Clue
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Posted by: talkville on Jan 2, 2009 3:47 AM
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Consider, now, a Verb: Foreclosure.
Foreclosure as Act, a Deed, an Event; not as a description. Foreclosure as Policy, as Orientation, as "Mindset". As "milieu". 18 million pounds of Prevention........; from ABOVE.
This state of affairs is in effect, whether we like it or not. Hint: "bail-out"; further hint -- 'we', the US Citizenry "own" a DEBT of scale and magnitude and depth barely yet considered. And debt is, fundamentally, a MORAL category -- thus, unavoidably, IRRATIONAL at its core. The corporate-state now RULES upon all of us citizens who are, at least for quite a long, long while, harnessed and yoked in a state of servitude if not of outright slavery. A Corporate-State in Debt is, necessarily, a morally-based Corporate-State; thus, irrational. And it stands above, as ruler, of the people. No conception of freedom or justice is possible in such conditions. "We are here"-- as the Map at the Mall might say.
Thus ANY movements, projects, and struggles from these REAL conditions of existence are, in advance, governed, controlled and circumscribed within the POWER of the OWNERS and CREDITORS: the Banks,as institutional Masks of the real individuals who own us -- men, women and children, land, plant and equipment, housing and hospitals and infrastructures -- all of us.
There's no reason for optimism in the struggle for social advancement, social democracy or indeed of any justice more civilized and developed than the mechanism of revenge. The patina may look real nice and pretty, but the core remains -- and it is a despotic, tyrannical and very brutal core. A Nazi or a Fascist in Georgi Armani, or in a spiffy vegan restaurant, is still a Nazi or a Fascist. Taliban and Sharia, internal or external, is still Taliban and Sharia. The sleekest, sexiest, most streamlined and fast fighter-jet, still wants to do one thing and one thing only: kill and kill from a "nice, safe, secure and thoroughly humane distance". Clean, pure, righteous. Just. For the glory of God, for the glory of Country and for the eternal salvation of the souls of..... our owners. We OWE them so much.
Try an experiment: deny your 'apportionment' of Debt. Just walk away from it; consciously, freely, in full self-awareness, and with reasons carefully thought through and set forth. That is: liberate yourself from the Yoke. Proof enough will soon come to you in mild to moderate to severe forms -- depending upon your social position and status. Check the jails, morgues and streets for more evidence.
To be decent, a society needs first to become so. To be democratic, a society needs first to become so. To be just a society needs first to become so. To be civilized, a society needs first to become so. Assuming what is not yet proven is an elemental, lethal, and unfortunately widespread fallacy, tenaciously held. It is the way of Prejudice; if we've perfected and polished anything, it is this 'way of life'.
Avanti, youth!! Social democracy!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 2, 2009 3:51 AM
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I saw it coming. It was the easiest call I ever made. Would you like to hear the funny part? I dropped out of high school at the end of my sophmore year. How was I able to get it while so many of the geniuses running our government missed it entirely? The answer is very simple:
I was paying attention.
I can't stand people who prance around saying, "I told you so! I told you so!". Don't you hate people like that? I sure do. And yet, having said that, I feel compelled to say this:
I told you so! I told you so!
The American people have been radicalized. So radical in fact that they are eighteen days of sending a progressive, African American to the White House. That's pretty damned radical! That's progress, too. I don't know about you, but I'm feeling more hope than I've felt in my lifetime.
Don't let us down, President Obama.
COUNT DOWN: EIGHTEEM DAYS
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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» Not feeling so much hope . . .
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» 9/11 a "historical footnote"?
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» "hopeful about the economic meltdown" (???) talk about DENIAL
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» You all thought Obama said Change but he said "CHAINS"
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Posted by: mr.president on Jan 2, 2009 4:17 AM
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Posted by: Kathy-B on Jan 2, 2009 5:25 AM
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Thanks, I was getting tired of all the negative talk.
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Posted by: RTTEch82 on Jan 2, 2009 6:02 AM
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Jes
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» If Kucinch was Black with more $ they would have voted Kucinch
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Posted by: Beck on Jan 2, 2009 7:07 AM
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But anyone who is either entirely hopeful or entirely terrified needs to get a reality check. What a mess exists now! Four years of God in office couldn't fix it. Obama, of course, is already largely damned because he hasn't fixed anything yet. Maybe God IS in office, or in the minds of many Americans. Or maybe many really do think he's God, supposedly being able to fix this incredible mess even before taking oath. THAT would be hope many could believe in, I guess; a president-elect who can not only govern but solve from outside the actual presidency.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 2, 2009 7:18 AM
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Posted by: GrannyBgood on Jan 2, 2009 7:19 AM
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Speaking of hope, I hope there will be a thorough RE-investigation of this basically Unsolved Crime of the Century, that has been used as the Raison d'etre for all this warfare and loss of our liberties. It is truly the Boil on the Ass of our country, and until this gruesome reality is faced and the boil is lanced, the infection will just grow, no matter WHO is in office.
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» 9/11 is over...FOREVER
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» 9/11 = Police State ( the GULLIBLE don't know SQUAT * FOREVER * )
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» We have a lazy troll here . . .
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Posted by: lrubemp on Jan 2, 2009 7:54 AM
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Posted by: chlamor on Jan 2, 2009 8:54 AM
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Hope is nonsense. Give it up and regain your personal agency.
Obama is on board with the project of American Empire.
He plans to continue the occupation of Iraq. He has made that clear.
He plans to ramp up the US aggression in Afghanistan he has made that clear.
He plans to accelerate US aggression in Africa (Calling it humanitarianism US Style) he has made that clear.
He plans to facilitate the continued looting of the American people through the Ponzi scheme of Wall St., he not only has made this clear but has acted directly on this on several occasions.
He plans to continue US agribusiness predatory policies, see Tom Vilsack, he has made this clear.
All in all please give up the delusional thinking that Obama is anything but a company man.
And please stop spreading the lie that he was funded by "the little guy" as 75% of his campaign money came from big business.
Do your homework people. Forget hope. Wake up and take action directly.
It's later than you think.
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» djknoll you are completely mistaken
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Posted by: willymack on Jan 2, 2009 9:03 AM
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» RE: Wanna know what terrifies ME?
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» Population control is already in effect...
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» RE: Population control is already in effect...but at what cost!
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» RE: Wanna know what terrifies ME? RELAX!
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» Government paid vasectomies . . .
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Jan 2, 2009 9:39 AM
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Here's a list of Obama's Top Contributors from OpenSecrets:
University of California $1,069,898
Goldman Sachs $884,907
Harvard University $732,150
Microsoft Corp $714,358
Google Inc $704,649
JPMorgan Chase & Co $600,210
Citigroup Inc $586,866
National Amusements Inc $566,409
Time Warner $517,748
Sidley Austin LLP $496,445
UBS AG $484,369
Stanford University $482,199
Skadden, Arps et al $473,424
Wilmerhale Llp $471,729
Columbia University $427,766
Morgan Stanley $425,502
Latham & Watkins $425,324
IBM Corp $416,946
University of Chicago $416,055
Lehman Brothers $410,974
Who do you think you're fooling?
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Posted by: mcyclemama on Jan 2, 2009 9:41 AM
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Dems are sick of making nice with the neo-cons. We were ignored when we screamed about the lunacy of trickle down economics, we screamed about invading Iraq and were called traitors, we screamed as our constitutional rights were being highjacked, we screamed when we learned about the torture & rendition by this administration and their toadies....and we got nothing, from the repubs or our own democratic representatives, in particular Pelosi and Reid who have acted more as supporters of the right, than democrats.
The ultimate disgrace to me was his pick of warren to make his inaugural prayer? It's not just the Gay Community who is up in arms about Warren, Gates, and the other right wingers, but many in the Dem party who have made concessions over & over again and seen no reciprocity in the last 8 yrs. I realize we have many things to solve, and PE Obama will need as many allies as possible, but the neo-cons and their ways have been proven irresponsible and ultimately disasterous. We've heard their "ideas", we've had their "ideas" rammed down our throats, and we have been screwed by their "ideas". I think their "ideas" no longer have a place at any table that is trying to figure out how to UNDO their "ideas"! I'm sure we all know and have heard have heard the term "treachery". Certainly PE Obama should know how closely he will have to watch his back when it comes to these right wingers he has installed. If he doesn't realize this, then he is NOT the person for the job! I am more than a little concerned too about the number of other economic & foreign relations idiots he has named. I was holding out hope they were coming to turn states evidence and reveal where all the bodies and civil rights are buried. However, there is no such hope as related to a religious deviant ideologue such as Warren. The "right wingers" have had the whole table to themselves when it comes to political influence, it's time they were relegated to the garbage dump! They have NOTHING to offer us as a means to unify this country. In fact, by sidelining them we could actually move forward faster on many issues they have intentionally provoked or created! Hey, maybe Obama can bring back Greenspan to discuss his vision of economic recovery using his 'Trickle Down' "logic"???
Haven't these criminals and con men done enough to destroy this country, and haven't their
views been practiced and have failed miserably? Why do we need "right" winger's opinions on anything any longer- they have been the cause of most of our most serious problems over the last 6-8 yrs!
Why is Obama giving every indication of kowtowing to the right and being nothing more than a puppet and shill for the right wing for the next 4 years? I thought after the election that we would have a fighting chance at reversing the last 8 years and finally getting the democratic party to exhibit some spine! It certainly is starting to appear as though that will not happen.
Of all the moderate clergy he could have picked to give his sermon, he picks a very right wing a/hole to do it. It is like he deliberately wanted to poke a sharp stick in the eye of GLBT's throughout the nation. If these type of right wing picks are examples of his thinking processes, I'm afraid this country is well and truly--fucked!
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» Obama's choices (R)INO's
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Posted by: mcyclemama on Jan 2, 2009 9:43 AM
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I have serious concerns about whether Obama is in fact, the right person for the job!
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» RE: I'm sorry that you fell for the O-blah-blah BS.
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» And he DEFINETELY will not be (re) investigating 9/11
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» Lazy 9/11 TROLL strikes (out) again
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Posted by: lewb on Jan 2, 2009 10:38 AM
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how it affects our lives. I see the future without money. I see the untapped potential of the human spirit. I see a world not ruled by governments of corporatocracy. I see a world with resources used for all people to free them to reach their true potential. If you want a world truly free and not one of I got mine the hell with you. Stop supporting the system and work to change it. Change is inevitable. To paraphrase MLK
"I may not be there with you, but I have seen the mountain"
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Posted by: sonofloud on Jan 2, 2009 11:13 AM
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 2, 2009 12:34 PM
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But, right now, things are so bad, and going south so quickly, that hope is all we have.
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Posted by: chlamor on Jan 2, 2009 3:07 PM
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It is a calculated decision, and a pro-active measure of support for the continuation of the Israeli campaign.
If Israeli ground forces invade Gaza without even a peremptory peep from Obama, the river of blood that will be shed will flow partly over his own hands.
The observation that there is "only one president at a time," is a dodge. Barack Obama doesn't get to choose when to start leading. History has chosen him, and placed him in a leadership role. That leadership role was carved out and established the moment he was elected president, quaint anachronistic traditions about our elaborately extended White House transition periods notwithstanding. People are following his lead now, whether he likes it or not. Obama must accept and fulfill the responsibilities that have been thrust upon him If he does not, he risks looking like a passive and ineffectual fool. Worse, he risks prolonging the suffering of many innocent people.
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Google it!
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Posted by: bizeeb on Jan 2, 2009 5:59 PM
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Any and all commissions, investigations, reports, etc. re 9/11 are done and over with. I don't want to debate the "9/11 Truth" crowd out there, but if you think Obama will do anything more re 9/11 you're crazy. He has certainly never expressed any concerns about who did it and why, and actually wants to focus on Afghanistan instead of Iraq because as he said, that's where the perpetrators of 9/11 are.
As for investigating and/or indicting any of the past administration, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice, Bush, Powell, et al, there is NO WAY IN HELL that's going to happen. Not that it shouldn't, but it won't. No president has ever done that, though many could have.
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A press release has recently been sent out to all major news media:
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Posted by: common intelligence on Jan 2, 2009 8:18 PM
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But The DIY community is BULL SHIT.
What community are you talking about?
As a master seasoned artisan craftsman, and construction specialist, I've made my presents known around the broad middle class sheeple neighborhood here in the SF Northbay San Rafael area. But the woman next door called multiple contractors from over 100 miles away,round trip, to do a months worth of work. full well knowing I was with out next door. I'm having to take a job 100 miles away across the bay, round trip.
I let her know I was pissed. Especially after she asked me to help her with a couple of bad hinges on a door which I fixed just to be neighborly the month before.
I don't believe people are anything but scared suspicious, and unconsciously living their middle class state of unconcerned existences.
Of course there are always exceptions to the rule.
But when people just are not interested in creating community they have no idea of the wealth of local skill and talent right next door.
Mean while a greedy opportunist is on craigslist looking for "skilled" tiling, driwall, and carpenter people to work for $16/hr! For those that don't have any idea, that's not skilled labor but illegal immigrants street labor wages.
So I really take offence at the idea that there are these DO IT YOURSELF communities that can take care of things they know little about to time and skill it takes to do what I have leared over 30 years and throwing we skilled people into the dirt.
It's know wonder America has no industry economy.
The wealth of knowledge this country wastes and is continually loosing by spinning down the quality of craftsmanship and skill to the covered wagon days is pathetic.
Mean while the author here ignores the fact that There Can Be No Manifestation of Hope Without Accountability for the government will and can never be trusted that has a license to kill and run a nation into the ground, disrupting 300 million lives here at home not to speak of dessimating Iraq and not taking responsibility for the 100's of thousands of people that have been all but destroyed because of lies so heinous the media refuses to tell the full story.
SO what other ironic points do I need to make to address this stupid article?
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Posted by: barbsved on Jan 11, 2009 12:07 AM
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Another motivation could be to punish the activists of the 60s and 70s. Many of those "baby boomers" are ready to retire and what a stupendous joke to remove all their savings just in time.
Unlike the depression of the 30s, people are not stripped of everything. The massive collections of "stuff" will allow some leeway. Swap meets must be very exciting just now. We will learn what we really need and pass on things that we don't to people who may actually need them.
I have been engaged in voluntary simplicity for many years but still have too much "stuff". Just a thought. Anyone else?
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"inclusive" presidency, now is it?
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jan 2, 2009 2:10 AM
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I'm not being a pessimist, I'm being a realist. Were is all this cash going to come from? Who has there hands out waiting for something? For you its going to be tea and crumpets however out here in the streets I'm looking for Accountability and Results and all I'm seeing is the Dems find religion when it comes to Corporate Welfare.
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Posted by: PointMan on Jan 2, 2009 2:15 AM
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Oy
What planet does this one live on?
"Hope you can believe in" Obama was brought to the party by police state corporatists that include Rothschild camp George Soros, Larry Summers and ponzi schemer (ex CitiGroup) Robert Rubin whose handlers surround Obama's inner circle.
But according to Alternet's dippy Disneyland MSM line, everything wicked went out with BushCo and now it's fresh Obama time where daisies and sunshine have more or less come to stay. Sure, never mind that Obama supported Wall Street ponzi bailouts, FISA police state and endless bogus "war on terror" starring BushCo Robert Gates. Can we say Big Time denial?
Not at Alternet or anywhere else at the MSM. Not really.
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Posted by: davescott on Jan 2, 2009 3:17 AM
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We need to create comprehensive incentives for renewable energy. We need a treaty. My hope is that Dems have the courage to take political risks and do both. And the Dem-bashers here need to squarely face the fact that the other side is led by the likes of James Inhofe, John Boehner and their pals at Exxon: environmental criminals.
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Posted by: centure7 on Jan 2, 2009 3:18 AM
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Obama = More Big Government.
Obama = More Wars.
Obama = More Debt! Debt = SLAVERY.
Obama = Less freedoms (voted for "patriot" ACT)
Obama = 4 more years of Bush... FACT!
Young people are such foolish drunks to actually be so hypnotized by his ridiculous laughable NLP techniques that they actually voted for him. Silly parlor tricks got him elected.
And lets not forget that NLP speaking techniques are most effective on who? Oh yeah... YOUNG PEOPLE. Oh some coincidence that is.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 2, 2009 3:38 AM
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The people without hope, it seems to me, are the Republicans, the conspiracy folks, and the third-party types. They're all blowing raspberries at Obama's Presidency, while the rest of the world is singing and dancing.
Oh well. Every party needs a pooper.
Bubbles
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Posted by: talkville on Jan 2, 2009 3:47 AM
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Consider, now, a Verb: Foreclosure.
Foreclosure as Act, a Deed, an Event; not as a description. Foreclosure as Policy, as Orientation, as "Mindset". As "milieu". 18 million pounds of Prevention........; from ABOVE.
This state of affairs is in effect, whether we like it or not. Hint: "bail-out"; further hint -- 'we', the US Citizenry "own" a DEBT of scale and magnitude and depth barely yet considered. And debt is, fundamentally, a MORAL category -- thus, unavoidably, IRRATIONAL at its core. The corporate-state now RULES upon all of us citizens who are, at least for quite a long, long while, harnessed and yoked in a state of servitude if not of outright slavery. A Corporate-State in Debt is, necessarily, a morally-based Corporate-State; thus, irrational. And it stands above, as ruler, of the people. No conception of freedom or justice is possible in such conditions. "We are here"-- as the Map at the Mall might say.
Thus ANY movements, projects, and struggles from these REAL conditions of existence are, in advance, governed, controlled and circumscribed within the POWER of the OWNERS and CREDITORS: the Banks,as institutional Masks of the real individuals who own us -- men, women and children, land, plant and equipment, housing and hospitals and infrastructures -- all of us.
There's no reason for optimism in the struggle for social advancement, social democracy or indeed of any justice more civilized and developed than the mechanism of revenge. The patina may look real nice and pretty, but the core remains -- and it is a despotic, tyrannical and very brutal core. A Nazi or a Fascist in Georgi Armani, or in a spiffy vegan restaurant, is still a Nazi or a Fascist. Taliban and Sharia, internal or external, is still Taliban and Sharia. The sleekest, sexiest, most streamlined and fast fighter-jet, still wants to do one thing and one thing only: kill and kill from a "nice, safe, secure and thoroughly humane distance". Clean, pure, righteous. Just. For the glory of God, for the glory of Country and for the eternal salvation of the souls of..... our owners. We OWE them so much.
Try an experiment: deny your 'apportionment' of Debt. Just walk away from it; consciously, freely, in full self-awareness, and with reasons carefully thought through and set forth. That is: liberate yourself from the Yoke. Proof enough will soon come to you in mild to moderate to severe forms -- depending upon your social position and status. Check the jails, morgues and streets for more evidence.
To be decent, a society needs first to become so. To be democratic, a society needs first to become so. To be just a society needs first to become so. To be civilized, a society needs first to become so. Assuming what is not yet proven is an elemental, lethal, and unfortunately widespread fallacy, tenaciously held. It is the way of Prejudice; if we've perfected and polished anything, it is this 'way of life'.
Avanti, youth!! Social democracy!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 2, 2009 3:51 AM
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I saw it coming. It was the easiest call I ever made. Would you like to hear the funny part? I dropped out of high school at the end of my sophmore year. How was I able to get it while so many of the geniuses running our government missed it entirely? The answer is very simple:
I was paying attention.
I can't stand people who prance around saying, "I told you so! I told you so!". Don't you hate people like that? I sure do. And yet, having said that, I feel compelled to say this:
I told you so! I told you so!
The American people have been radicalized. So radical in fact that they are eighteen days of sending a progressive, African American to the White House. That's pretty damned radical! That's progress, too. I don't know about you, but I'm feeling more hope than I've felt in my lifetime.
Don't let us down, President Obama.
COUNT DOWN: EIGHTEEM DAYS
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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» "hopeful about the economic meltdown" (???) talk about DENIAL
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Posted by: Kathy-B on Jan 2, 2009 5:25 AM
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Thanks, I was getting tired of all the negative talk.
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Posted by: Beck on Jan 2, 2009 7:07 AM
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But anyone who is either entirely hopeful or entirely terrified needs to get a reality check. What a mess exists now! Four years of God in office couldn't fix it. Obama, of course, is already largely damned because he hasn't fixed anything yet. Maybe God IS in office, or in the minds of many Americans. Or maybe many really do think he's God, supposedly being able to fix this incredible mess even before taking oath. THAT would be hope many could believe in, I guess; a president-elect who can not only govern but solve from outside the actual presidency.
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Speaking of hope, I hope there will be a thorough RE-investigation of this basically Unsolved Crime of the Century, that has been used as the Raison d'etre for all this warfare and loss of our liberties. It is truly the Boil on the Ass of our country, and until this gruesome reality is faced and the boil is lanced, the infection will just grow, no matter WHO is in office.
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» 9/11 is over...FOREVER
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Posted by: chlamor on Jan 2, 2009 8:54 AM
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Hope is nonsense. Give it up and regain your personal agency.
Obama is on board with the project of American Empire.
He plans to continue the occupation of Iraq. He has made that clear.
He plans to ramp up the US aggression in Afghanistan he has made that clear.
He plans to accelerate US aggression in Africa (Calling it humanitarianism US Style) he has made that clear.
He plans to facilitate the continued looting of the American people through the Ponzi scheme of Wall St., he not only has made this clear but has acted directly on this on several occasions.
He plans to continue US agribusiness predatory policies, see Tom Vilsack, he has made this clear.
All in all please give up the delusional thinking that Obama is anything but a company man.
And please stop spreading the lie that he was funded by "the little guy" as 75% of his campaign money came from big business.
Do your homework people. Forget hope. Wake up and take action directly.
It's later than you think.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Jan 2, 2009 9:39 AM
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Here's a list of Obama's Top Contributors from OpenSecrets:
University of California $1,069,898
Goldman Sachs $884,907
Harvard University $732,150
Microsoft Corp $714,358
Google Inc $704,649
JPMorgan Chase & Co $600,210
Citigroup Inc $586,866
National Amusements Inc $566,409
Time Warner $517,748
Sidley Austin LLP $496,445
UBS AG $484,369
Stanford University $482,199
Skadden, Arps et al $473,424
Wilmerhale Llp $471,729
Columbia University $427,766
Morgan Stanley $425,502
Latham & Watkins $425,324
IBM Corp $416,946
University of Chicago $416,055
Lehman Brothers $410,974
Who do you think you're fooling?
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Posted by: mcyclemama on Jan 2, 2009 9:41 AM
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Dems are sick of making nice with the neo-cons. We were ignored when we screamed about the lunacy of trickle down economics, we screamed about invading Iraq and were called traitors, we screamed as our constitutional rights were being highjacked, we screamed when we learned about the torture & rendition by this administration and their toadies....and we got nothing, from the repubs or our own democratic representatives, in particular Pelosi and Reid who have acted more as supporters of the right, than democrats.
The ultimate disgrace to me was his pick of warren to make his inaugural prayer? It's not just the Gay Community who is up in arms about Warren, Gates, and the other right wingers, but many in the Dem party who have made concessions over & over again and seen no reciprocity in the last 8 yrs. I realize we have many things to solve, and PE Obama will need as many allies as possible, but the neo-cons and their ways have been proven irresponsible and ultimately disasterous. We've heard their "ideas", we've had their "ideas" rammed down our throats, and we have been screwed by their "ideas". I think their "ideas" no longer have a place at any table that is trying to figure out how to UNDO their "ideas"! I'm sure we all know and have heard have heard the term "treachery". Certainly PE Obama should know how closely he will have to watch his back when it comes to these right wingers he has installed. If he doesn't realize this, then he is NOT the person for the job! I am more than a little concerned too about the number of other economic & foreign relations idiots he has named. I was holding out hope they were coming to turn states evidence and reveal where all the bodies and civil rights are buried. However, there is no such hope as related to a religious deviant ideologue such as Warren. The "right wingers" have had the whole table to themselves when it comes to political influence, it's time they were relegated to the garbage dump! They have NOTHING to offer us as a means to unify this country. In fact, by sidelining them we could actually move forward faster on many issues they have intentionally provoked or created! Hey, maybe Obama can bring back Greenspan to discuss his vision of economic recovery using his 'Trickle Down' "logic"???
Haven't these criminals and con men done enough to destroy this country, and haven't their
views been practiced and have failed miserably? Why do we need "right" winger's opinions on anything any longer- they have been the cause of most of our most serious problems over the last 6-8 yrs!
Why is Obama giving every indication of kowtowing to the right and being nothing more than a puppet and shill for the right wing for the next 4 years? I thought after the election that we would have a fighting chance at reversing the last 8 years and finally getting the democratic party to exhibit some spine! It certainly is starting to appear as though that will not happen.
Of all the moderate clergy he could have picked to give his sermon, he picks a very right wing a/hole to do it. It is like he deliberately wanted to poke a sharp stick in the eye of GLBT's throughout the nation. If these type of right wing picks are examples of his thinking processes, I'm afraid this country is well and truly--fucked!
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Posted by: mcyclemama on Jan 2, 2009 9:43 AM
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I have serious concerns about whether Obama is in fact, the right person for the job!
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» And he DEFINETELY will not be (re) investigating 9/11
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» Lazy 9/11 TROLL strikes (out) again
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Posted by: lewb on Jan 2, 2009 10:38 AM
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how it affects our lives. I see the future without money. I see the untapped potential of the human spirit. I see a world not ruled by governments of corporatocracy. I see a world with resources used for all people to free them to reach their true potential. If you want a world truly free and not one of I got mine the hell with you. Stop supporting the system and work to change it. Change is inevitable. To paraphrase MLK
"I may not be there with you, but I have seen the mountain"
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Posted by: sonofloud on Jan 2, 2009 11:13 AM
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Posted by: hopefilled on Jan 2, 2009 11:41 AM
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 2, 2009 12:34 PM
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But, right now, things are so bad, and going south so quickly, that hope is all we have.
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Posted by: chlamor on Jan 2, 2009 3:07 PM
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It is a calculated decision, and a pro-active measure of support for the continuation of the Israeli campaign.
If Israeli ground forces invade Gaza without even a peremptory peep from Obama, the river of blood that will be shed will flow partly over his own hands.
The observation that there is "only one president at a time," is a dodge. Barack Obama doesn't get to choose when to start leading. History has chosen him, and placed him in a leadership role. That leadership role was carved out and established the moment he was elected president, quaint anachronistic traditions about our elaborately extended White House transition periods notwithstanding. People are following his lead now, whether he likes it or not. Obama must accept and fulfill the responsibilities that have been thrust upon him If he does not, he risks looking like a passive and ineffectual fool. Worse, he risks prolonging the suffering of many innocent people.
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Posted by: tinafiedler1 on Jan 2, 2009 5:14 PM
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Google it!
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Posted by: bizeeb on Jan 2, 2009 5:59 PM
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Any and all commissions, investigations, reports, etc. re 9/11 are done and over with. I don't want to debate the "9/11 Truth" crowd out there, but if you think Obama will do anything more re 9/11 you're crazy. He has certainly never expressed any concerns about who did it and why, and actually wants to focus on Afghanistan instead of Iraq because as he said, that's where the perpetrators of 9/11 are.
As for investigating and/or indicting any of the past administration, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice, Bush, Powell, et al, there is NO WAY IN HELL that's going to happen. Not that it shouldn't, but it won't. No president has ever done that, though many could have.
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» Keep it up, Bizeeb . . .
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» Stay Asleep in your LIAR BS (it's what Deadbeat Trolls do)
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Posted by: global_commoner on Jan 2, 2009 7:56 PM
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» Are you talking about Nibiru?
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Posted by: common intelligence on Jan 2, 2009 8:18 PM
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But The DIY community is BULL SHIT.
What community are you talking about?
As a master seasoned artisan craftsman, and construction specialist, I've made my presents known around the broad middle class sheeple neighborhood here in the SF Northbay San Rafael area. But the woman next door called multiple contractors from over 100 miles away,round trip, to do a months worth of work. full well knowing I was with out next door. I'm having to take a job 100 miles away across the bay, round trip.
I let her know I was pissed. Especially after she asked me to help her with a couple of bad hinges on a door which I fixed just to be neighborly the month before.
I don't believe people are anything but scared suspicious, and unconsciously living their middle class state of unconcerned existences.
Of course there are always exceptions to the rule.
But when people just are not interested in creating community they have no idea of the wealth of local skill and talent right next door.
Mean while a greedy opportunist is on craigslist looking for "skilled" tiling, driwall, and carpenter people to work for $16/hr! For those that don't have any idea, that's not skilled labor but illegal immigrants street labor wages.
So I really take offence at the idea that there are these DO IT YOURSELF communities that can take care of things they know little about to time and skill it takes to do what I have leared over 30 years and throwing we skilled people into the dirt.
It's know wonder America has no industry economy.
The wealth of knowledge this country wastes and is continually loosing by spinning down the quality of craftsmanship and skill to the covered wagon days is pathetic.
Mean while the author here ignores the fact that There Can Be No Manifestation of Hope Without Accountability for the government will and can never be trusted that has a license to kill and run a nation into the ground, disrupting 300 million lives here at home not to speak of dessimating Iraq and not taking responsibility for the 100's of thousands of people that have been all but destroyed because of lies so heinous the media refuses to tell the full story.
SO what other ironic points do I need to make to address this stupid article?
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Posted by: donl51 on Jan 2, 2009 9:36 PM
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» THE “MONEY” POST OF 2009
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» BUYING DEM VOTES
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» Yah, the whole world should light up!
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Posted by: barbsved on Jan 11, 2009 12:07 AM
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Another motivation could be to punish the activists of the 60s and 70s. Many of those "baby boomers" are ready to retire and what a stupendous joke to remove all their savings just in time.
Unlike the depression of the 30s, people are not stripped of everything. The massive collections of "stuff" will allow some leeway. Swap meets must be very exciting just now. We will learn what we really need and pass on things that we don't to people who may actually need them.
I have been engaged in voluntary simplicity for many years but still have too much "stuff". Just a thought. Anyone else?
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