I never cease to marvel that the vast majority of America's vociferously "pro-life" politicians, clergy and citizens avidly support wars that slaughter swarthy Muslims abroad, even innocent women, children and the elderly.

While their solicitude for embryos and fetuses may be admirable in some circles--despite Jesus's biblical silence on the issue--they disagree with their Lord and Master and support aggressive war.

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http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9438.shtml

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..this is barbaric. It's genocide.

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Everyone in America is well aware of the Islamic pattern of kalashnikov agression and simultaneous victimhood. You anti-liberals, who control a third of the world and its population, with your systematic repression of women, free speech, and human rights; with your holy book and your holy men advocating the slaughter of any innocent who refuses to bow to Allah -- yes, you come off as a ridiculous joke to us when you try to play at liberalism and preach the value of human life. After all, what could be more absurd than a human rights commission chaired by Libya?
Until al-Islam has its own house in order, don't go telling the West how immoral it is. Your depraved societies regularly cut the hands off thieves and hang homosexuals. Real liberals see right through your masquerade. AlterNet is a mouthpiece of fundamentalist, reactionary, theologic hate, NOT a liberal website.

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NAZIs running and ruining Israel.

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Please read the article by Sara Roy in the London Review of Books to understand the background of what is happening in Gaza!

linked text = If Gaza Falls by Sara Roy

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Just another "hired keyboard" out of Tel Aviv.

You'd think they could at least get people who's primary language is English.

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The only premeditation in this entire conflict is on the part of Hamas. They continue to attack Israel daily even though Israel is out of Gaza.

Why? to get just the response they have gotten..why? public opinion. As a group that has openly called for the total destruction of Israel it's a wonder why Israel waited out the attacks this long before acting!

Lets hope 2009 sees a world without Hamas.

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Gaza Strip? What a dump! They don't have a pot to piss in, much less a window to throw it out of. They are SO obsessed with Isreal, its success, and their TOTAL failure to build anything even remotely resembling a civilized society. Their leaders have failed!

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Is anyone else getting sick and tired of Israel? I mean enough is enough already!

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Its this dark part in the screenplay where the connection of the dots are focused and indeliable and we see in Technicolor, what has long been suspected.

Israel's capacity for deceit has no bounds.
'by deceit we wage war' Mossad's motto, deceit indeed.

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South African Apartheid & Israeli Apartheid have much more in common than most people know!!! (Google it.)

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Well as a bleeding heart liberal, all I can say is that she is justified in doing it, IF YOU were being attacked on a daily basis across your yard fence by a neighbor who would not quit, would not listen to reason and who had no POLICEMAN BIG enough to make them stop, then you as Israel would be quite within your rights to bomb the hell out of them...!!! Too bad this is not 2000 yrs. ago or so, cause if Israel would do what Alex. the Great, Gengis Kan & the Mongals did, THEY would do a burned earth policy on Gaza, there would be nothing left, people, buildings, plants, trees, grasses, nothing!! THAT is how THEY would solve the Gaza problem, too bad we won't Israel do the same thing today. In fact as an American solution maybe WE should just "radiate" the entire strip for them. Only take a couple of nukes!!!!!!

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It was made quite clear by theNazi Zionists who invaded Palestine at the end of WWII, that they intend to murder every "Goyim" in the ME from the Litani river in southern Lebanon, to the Euphrates river in Iraq and southward to northern Africa.

There are no rules in their bestial desires. There is no HONOR in their lost souls. They send their inbred offspring to "Hebrew School" where they are taught racism, hatred, terrorism and murder because "they" are "Gods Chosen" and have the right to rape, murder and plunder at will.

Since it is almost impossible to get weapons into the hands of the Arab Israeli population: we must teach them how to manufacture toxins they can introduce into the drinking water and food supplies that are only available to the Nazi occupiers.

It is not "stooping" to any level to poison their offspring. In the context of "an eye for an eye" whatever those filthy Nazi Zionist thugs do to YOUR CHILDREN is good enough for their inbred "children". These "children" will eventually go to "Hebrew School" where they are taught the fine arts of Nazi Israeli brutality, racism and hatred. If you "love" their illicit children: poison the little vermin before they grow up enough to kill more of your children.

Poison the bastards. It's your best hope in defending what little you have left. If you continue to grovel under the jack booted thugs: you will end up with nothing; not even life!

As long as Nazi Israel exists: there will never be peace or prosperity anywhere. Look what Bernie Madoff did to my country without firing a shot. That parasite stole over $100 billion of American money and sent it to Nazi Israel so they can continue with the HOLOCAUST AGAINST ALL NON JEWS.

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While the world watches, the cleansing of the Gaza Strip continues as Israel murders and wounds thousands. The Old Testament reminds us of the fate Israel has faced in the past when they failed to obey the Ten Commandments and Moses' Laws. When God has had enough of Israel's Blasphemy He will erase the State of Israel in a pillar of atomic flame. Praise God in His wisdom.

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The former US ambassador to Jordan, Richard N. Veit, stated recently that the US is complicit in the Israeli oppression of Gaza. Hamas is the elected governing body, and Hamas police are obviously inappropriate "military" targets for the Israeli war machine.

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Palestinians and the Arab League never wanted a state alongside Israel initially but now they do, and Gaza is one de facto. Not ideal in any way, shape, or form legally compared to other nations, but a de facto state nonetheless with a terrorist government chosen of, by, and for the people of Gaza. Now, Gaza is acting like a state and is reaping the same consequences any legitimate state would reap with its actions. By the way, the state Gaza is acting like is Nazi Germany.

Israel should declare and recognize a Palestinian state immediately, invite Abbas to Jerusalem to negotiate on final status of borders, populations, economic matters, etc. Then, we'll see who wants peace and who doesn't.

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The author wrote a solid piece but for his statement that we should be critical of Hamas "too." Hamas is actively working to end an abusive relationship. They are the ones risking their lives and doing what they see needs to be done. Any Israeli deaths or injuries is the fault of the Israeli occupiers. If they stopped the abuse, then it would all be over.

Stop identifying with the abuser, even a little bit like the author did is immoral.

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The failure of the arab world in general and the Palestinian world in particular to sincerely and honestly accept the right of Jews (a nationality not a religion) to live in the middle east with freedom and dignity is the underlying issue. It was this Israeli government that pulled out of a Gaza, this Israeli coalition that signalled a 2 state solution in most of pre-67 borders is the logical and just solution and this Israeli government that has tried to speak truth about past Israeli mistakes and mistaken ambitions. Hamas and Hezbollah rewarded honesty and committment with rockets and terror and a refusable to negotiate or compromise.... the results of the past days is a symptom of their actions. they have reaped what they sowed. Stop fighting 1948 and enter the 21st century with a realistic peace in which all compromise.

A long time leftist

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Giving up what is not yours - Gaza and South Lebanon - is not due to Israel's kindness but due to armed resistance. If it was up to Sharon, Barack, and Livni, and many west bank colonialists, they do not mind taking the whole place from Cairo to Baghdad.
Arabs do not mind jews living them, they had them forever. It is Israel who wants 5 Million Arabs out.

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When Israel wants more money, strategic assistance or spare parts for their killing machine we could VOTE on it.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Well it doesn't give pictures of atrocities Irgun and it's methods of terror since the 1920's but, for any argument to distract from real facts, You have these pictures to remember them the central point.

http://www.centpapiers.com/gaza-et-israel- le-droit-legitime-a-la-defense-et- quelques-faits-importants/4786/ (cutting the spaces after "israel-" ant "et-") or
linked text and click Gaza et Israël: le droit légitime à la défense et quelques faits importants
How much does the Genocidal Israelean State, the only one in the world that has not recognised it's frontiers want to grow even more?

Thank you centpapier.

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That is the consequence.

More and more, you can find otherwise progressive, tolerant people edging away from the Jews around them. The unstated question hangs in the air: "you're not one of those genocidal-psychopath-Jews, are you?"

As the situation over there gets worse, fewer and fewer people here will believe the Zionist version of the story. It's all too easy to live in a bubble with regard to news from distant lands, but reality asserts itself eventually. People freshly awakened from this trance will be appalled by the refusal of our mass media and elected officials to take any action (other than funding and cheering for the genocide.)

Then what? Thanks to AIPAC and the ADL, we've all been trained to equate the State of Israel with All Jews Everywhere. AIPAC makes and breaks politicians in broad daylight, and the ADL has a long history of systematically slandering anyone who dares to speak ill of a particular foreign country (ironically enough, defaming character seems to be their primary function) so the natural tendency will be to point the finger at the Jews.

And it's happening.

My advise to all those non-Zionist Jews out there: you need to get louder. You need to get ruder. You need to start disowning people. You don't need to do these things to satisfy my sensibilities, or even to stop the killing. You need to do this for your own protection. These mass murdering fanatics have been hiding behind you, and claiming to be you, very effectively and for quite some time. I worry that quiet disassociation won't be enough to protect you.

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You said I'm a hired keyboard from Tel Aviv.

You can look me up. I'm an American liberal who voted for Nader in 2000. I protested in the cold every day during the suspension of the recount in Florida. I stood shoulder to shoulder with Arabs, Jews and Hippies at the Federal Building in LA and on street corners, during the start of the Iraq war after most people had stopped caring.
I wrote a novel that involved GWB being killed by a rock band, and had my apartment tossed and my laptops stolen for it.

My grandparents were bolsheviks. My aunt was a madre de la plaza de mayo. One of my grandfathers became a union organizer in New York. My parents were free love hippies.

My entire political belief is leftist and anti-totalitarian. I'm a real liberal. What the hell are YOU?

While I oppose a lot of the Israeli government's methods, THERE IS NO REASON WHY I SHOULD BE ANTI-ZIONIST, i.e., opposed to the existence of Israel.

The progressive left has been picked off and invaded by the MOST totalitarian, reactionary force on the planet, Islam. 3/4ths of the stuff on this site is planted by Islamic fundamentalists and their self-hating European supporters. You buy into their supposed victimhood because you're so used to believing that America and Israel MUST be wrong, that the downtrodden MUST be right, that you don't question what it is those downtrodden people stand for, what their religion tells them to do with people like you, and whether the reason for their being downtrodden in the first place might have less to do with your ghosts of colonialism, and more to do with the repressive and anti-liberal nature of their religion and its role in their society.

No. It's so much easier to blame the Jews.

Left-wing support, in this day and age, for the Hamas cause will in 50 years bring the same embarrassment to the Left that we feel for the people who supported Pol Pot or Stalin. Idiots who kowtowed to any brutal dictator that draped himself in a red flag.

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Some people are masterful in manipulating the arguments. Some examples:
1. Being against mass murder does not equal support for terrorism.
2. There are many progressive Arabs and Muslims. Islam tells them to respect and Honor you as a jew or Zionist.
3. But not when you bulldoze their homes and erect roadblocks in their own land and tell them to strip on their way home
4. You are not going to be wanted if you force them be refugees in tents outside your jewish only colonies, built on confiscated land taken by force in 1948 and 1967 and who knows when is the next time.
3. Totalitarianism is what Israel does. Ethnically cleansing five million Arabs from the sea to the Jordan river, and replacing them with residents of US, Russia and Poland.
4. The so called "Only Mideast Democracy" is not. Except for the token 10 Arabs in the Israeli Knesset, half of the Palestinian parliament of Ramallah are in Israeli Jails. Some Democracy..

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Please, be reasonable -- PEACE MUST BECOME THE GOAL

THere is a bottom line of reality here
Israel has agreed to a cease fire under the following conditions:

a. that it controls its own borders.
b. that the missles and rockets will completely cease.
c. that outside forces like the UN monitor the area so that each side sticks to its cease fire agreement.

These are reasonable requests to start negotiations with. If Hamas wants a reasonable request to add a safe guard to protect his people, not a couple of days to retool....now is the time. Instead,Hamas has chosen NOT to agree to STOP the shooting of missles and rockets into Israel. Is this reasonable? The Palestinians, controlled by Hamas have decided to continue the war even under the threat of ground invastion. Their response....They are ready. Ready-- for what? to loose more people? And why have they selected this option rather than coming to the negotiating table to hammer out a fair aggrement?.

War is such an MEAN, UGLY EXPERIENCE amd people defending their right to exist really owe the instigators who have been bombarding them NO aide whatsoever. Never the less, Israel has allowed 100 trucks of supplies to enter Gaza. (If you have more supplies please send it.) And isn't it interesting that the leaders who want to save the Palestinians by entering the war against them...have not contributed to these basic supplies?

Hamas, with his total disregard for Palestinians. has placed the war centers near and in people's homes. Israel, with its high regard for human life and desire to PROTECT Palistinian civilians from harm, drop leaflets letting the Palestinians know which areas specifically will be bombed. HOw come Hamas does not protect the Palestinians from the bombs?

Doesn't it seem reasonable that there is an strategic connection between Palestinian:
1. children being used to incite soldiers with guns by throwing rocks at them when the press is available to view it
2. young Palestinians being used as human bombs to kill Israeli civilians
3. so many FORWARNED Palestinians being harmed dispite the warning?
4. and the call you received that was the basis for this article?

Sounds like Hamas is a very capable manipulator with a goal that has little do with:
1. preserving human life
2. the well being of the Palestinian people
3. or peace in the Middle East
SO, WHAT IS HIS GOAL? And what by the way, is your goal?

I can see no desire in your article to open up a discussion of the kind of work we have to do to stop hatred and bring about peace. As I have said repeatedly on this site: The reason that there are so few deaths in Israel is because the Isrealis care about protecting their citizens. That is what this war is all about A STOPPING OF THE MISSLES AND ROCKETS.

I do agree with one thing: The Palestinians are truely victims. But the enemy is their mind set and their leadership.

Hamas broke the peace treaty and incited war by shooting missles and rockets into the civilian territory. Israel retalliated, just as Hamas and the Palestinians surely must have expected. After all, what was the purpose of jabbing Israeli civilians with missles. And then, before the world, the poor forwarned but nevertheless harmed Palestinians cried, "help, the Israelis are hurting us".... WEll, what did they expect. YOU INCITE WAR -- YOU COULD GET HURT. However, isn't it mind boggling -- forwarned and hurt anyway.......
ALTERNET EDITORS, THese articles seem to serve no other purpose but to try and force the world to pressure Israel to stop retalliating while Hamas and his gang of terrorist roam free killing as they like. Terrorist, as 9/11 has proved, are a danger to the world. To treat the illness, you have to address the problem.

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No one is talking about this...why?

First the Israeli steal the Palestinian’s land and now they steal their gas from the Gaza Marine Fields. The real reason for the brutal attack, MONEY. And the real reason the Zionist puppet Bush goes along with the massacre and the US zombies follow right along, MONEY, PROFITS, GREED, just business as usual. 2 billion a year that Israel wants to steal from the Gaza ghetto concentration camp victims!

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http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/2008/11/no-title.html

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We have to get beyond black and white, good and evil, us and them thinking. There have been wrongs on both sides, and it's now pointless to endlessly debate the numerous accumulated grievances. Idolizing one side and demonizing the other creates further polarization and prevents rapprochement. Many of the posts above are so polarized, so zero-sum, so distorted that they are part of the problem and not the solution.

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3062297,00.html

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Israeli opinion on the Gaza invasion is far from uniform. Here is an ultra-right-wing news site highly critical of the operation: Israeli Uncensored News

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Bulletin
Dec. 30, 2008
Palestinian Media Watch


After sisters' deaths,
Palestinian girl blames Hamas
by Barbara Crook and Itamar Marcus

In response to many requests, PMW is resending the video clip of a young
Palestinian girl who blames Hamas for her sisters' deaths in Gaza. We are
including the seconds before and after the girl's words to clarify that PMW
released the full, unedited interview that ran on the Palestinian Authority
TV news report.

The interview is very significant. At a time of extreme stress and grief,
the girl blames Hamas and not Israel -- likely echoing a sentiment she has
heard from adults. If this sentiment is representative of growing anger
among Gaza residents at Hamas for the destruction it has caused, it has
major significance and could have ramifications on the long-term position of
Hamas in Palestinian society.

The following is the full transcript of the interview.

Please note that the interview was on PA TV (Fatah), as is shown on the
video, and not Hamas TV, as was mistakenly reported in the text of
yesterday's bulletin.
Click here to view full interview with girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoi0TGyx_uA

Transcript of the full interview:

Girl: We were sleeping seven girls in the room.We were asleep and didn't
know what was happening. In the morning all the bricks were on top of my
head, and the heads of all my sisters. My four-year-old sister next to me
was dead.
Interviewer: How many were you?
Girl: Seven. In the other room were my mother, my father, my younger brother
and another sister, who is 13 days old.
Girl: I say Hamas is the cause, in the first place, of all wars, it's Hamas.
[PA TV (Fatah), Dec. 29, 2008]


Given the significance of the girl's accusation, it is surprising that some
media outlets have run the interview, without including the quote in which
the girl blames Hamas. See comments at:
http://misskelly.typepad.com/

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