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Shopaholics, Big Spenders and People in Debt, Getting Smacked by Economic Reality

By Anneli Rufus, AlterNet. Posted January 1, 2009.


This is the season for how-did-we-go broke books, stories of shopping hangovers and life ripped down to the basics.
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The tires on his Ford Taurus were shot. He was months behind on his payments for everything. He slept in a walk-in closet, at arm's length from a toilet. Opening the mail one day in that malodorous shared Baltimore townhouse, Sam MacDonald faced "a new pile of bills. Credit card. Credit card. Credit card. No surprise there. But then another envelope caught my eye. Student loans." A serial job-quitter and freelance editor -- in, of all fields, financial publishing -- MacDonald had graduated a few years earlier from Yale.

"Damn it. Damn it. Damn it. I forgot the damn student loans. Again."

He predicted that the latest loan bill would demand $450, "the financial equivalent of a rabbit punch to the throat." But nooo. Larded with late fees, it topped $1,800. Added to the $4,000 MacDonald already owed to everyone else, $1,800 was no rabbit punch. It was "an ice pick to the eyeball. A shotgun blast to the nuts. A somersault-savate kick to the base of the skull, followed promptly by a shiv to the small intestine."

This is the season for how-did-we-go broke books such as MacDonald's memoir, The Urban Hermit (St. Martin's, 2008), in which the libertarian journalist remembers "my long, raucous march into irresponsible living," then details the radical regimen he adopted to get out of debt. It was infinitely basic: Spend only $8 a week. Consume only 800 calories a day. He was warned that those starvation rations could kill him. "It was a strange and dangerous plan. A shitty plan, actually." But since he weighed 340 pounds at its outset, "I figured that I had amassed enough soft tissue to make it work."

And it did. Over the next year-and-a-half, he lost over 100 pounds, paid all his bills. Hard lessons lay in those unrelenting bowls of boiled lentils and cheap canned tuna. "But I do know this. Hunger is power. And everything else is bullshit."

His experiment happened circa 2000, a prosperous era during which his former Yale classmates were being hired at Harvard and Goldman Sachs. That was then. This is now. A few megabillion-dollar bailouts away, being broke is the new black. But hitting bottom caught MacDonald off guard.

He hadn't made any bad investments. He hadn't made any investments at all. He didn't have a penny in the stock market. He wasn't a high roller, just a good-natured "big boy … who loved drinking and spending money and letting the dealer come over with the Ecstasy and cat tranquilizer." MacDonald was such a fixture at his local bar that fellow regulars always "called to demand my presence if I failed to show, which wasn't often." Even so, beer at that bar cost only $1 a pint.

It was the little things that added up. They always do. A few missed bills down the road, "I had leaped out of a precarious paycheck-to-paycheck existence and into something far worse." Nearly $6,000 in debt? "I know. That might not seem like a lot." His former classmates owed that much or more, but "most of them were the long-view types" who worked hard and had "something to show for the red ink. A hulking SUV. A hip townhouse. Fancy clothes. A master's in philosophy. A fucking CD collection." By contrast, "my financial crisis was doubly cruel in its dullness and the damnable respectability of my pursuers."

So: "No messing around. Rip life down to the basics. … Eat the bare minimum required to stay alive. Send the savings to the creditors. Simple."

Well, in principle. Although he did not actually become a hermit -- but it makes a great title, eh? -- he had to stop doing his favorite things in his favorite places with his favorite people. He had to skip concerts he wanted to see. He couldn't afford to date. He became a staff writer at a local weekly paper (an occupation that, over the last two years, has largely ceased to exist) and a part-time hauler at a fish-packing plant, and didn't quit. Because his plan was ironclad, he refused co-workers' offers of free meals, even free birthday cake. Later, after he'd lost the weight and paid his bills and adopted a slightly softer version of the regimen, he began accepting those kindhearted offers. A good move, and let's all hope some of those come our way as well. 

The Urban Hermit is as much about lifestyle change as dealing with debt. The surest route to the latter is the former, as much as it hurts. Our forebears who lived through the Great Depression and/or in war zones accepted lifestyle changes that we can barely fathom. But consumer culture has told us from infancy onward that we are exempt, that want equals need, that having to wait for what we want denies our basic human rights. We are taught to see, in mirrors, want-shaped selves. We are taught that the more we crave, the more we get, the more real and alive and beautiful we are. A lot of talent and capital goes into this training. Corporations spend around $30 billion every year advertising food products in the United States alone. McDonald's annual marketing budget is over $1 billion.


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Anneli Rufus is the author of several books, including Party of One: The Loners' Manifesto.

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This economy needs shopaholics.....
Posted by: Landbaron on Jan 1, 2009 1:34 AM   
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Or more people will be losing their job.... This will cause deflation...but not for the stuff we need to live, that always goes up. Life's a predicament.

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» Too late! Posted by: SteveO
VOLUNTARY SIMPLICITY
Posted by: sherman on Jan 1, 2009 6:13 AM   
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urban hermeit style or otherwise. most of us will be forced (freely chose) a radically altered lifestyle following guidlines of THE VOLUNTARY SIMPLICITY NETWORK.

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ZEN SHOPPING
Posted by: sherman on Jan 1, 2009 6:18 AM   
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you've heard of making grocery lists, naturally. i make non-grocery lists. things i don't need to buy. it helps avoid that impulsive, point of purchase, trap.

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» RE: ZEN SHOPPING Posted by: olderworker
» RE: ZEN SHOPPING Posted by: Prairie Waif
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» He's a she Posted by: tommy_slothrop
I should write a book
Posted by: Artkansas on Jan 1, 2009 7:03 AM   
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3 1/2 years ago, I bought a car, lost my job and had my wife ask for divorce in one week.

Did I mention that I had over $20,000 in credit card debt.

In my defense, I had racked it up, trying to start a business in the desert after my wife had unilaterally decided that she was moving to the desert to get away from the city, and I had the choice of going for career or marriage.

I got another job, parked the car and used my bicycle to go everywhere. I didn't eat lentils, but lunch was a home made sandwich. I made paying off bills my top priority. Bicycles are good because without a car, you are less likely to go to all those malls, movies, concerts.

In two years, I paid down all the debts and began saving. The car I bought had been a cash purchase so I didn't have to pay down its debt. I even donated several thousand to my ex who was still struggling.

And now my efforts are really paying off. The company I was working for moved everything to Indonesia. I'm unemployed, but being debt-free, and continuing with my bicycle and my tiny apartment allows me to stay solvent with low costs and no debts to service.

It's a good thing.

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» RE: I should write a book Posted by: bob12386
» RE: I should write a book Posted by: AMerrickanGirl
» Eff the system Posted by: bob12386
Hoarding cash is a good thing!!
Posted by: xvictor on Jan 1, 2009 7:26 AM   
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John Maynard Keynes believed that an economy could become a self-reinforcing economic depression because the general public saved too much money. He believed that the key to economic growth is not productivity, but rather spending. He did not believe that the price system is a reliable system of resource allocation. For example, he did not believe that the interest rate is a price that allocates investments and savings. He believed that it is possible that many people in the economy can save money by hoarding cash – not depositing it in a bank, where it is immediately lent. This, he said, undermined the interest rate's role in equating savings and investments.

First, this observation is irrelevant in a world in which almost all cash is either deposited in a bank account or sent abroad, where it functions as cash for black markets.

Second, hoarding cash pressures sellers to reduce prices. This acts as an incentive for people to buy more goods and services with their cash. The supposed excess of supply then disappears. Holding cash is a means of thrift. This thrift produces a positive result: lower prices and therefore greater purchasing power for cash. This process was disparaged by Keynes as a liquidity trap. It was no trap. It was a benefit for holders of cash.

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Ick!
Posted by: Gravitas on Jan 1, 2009 7:43 AM   
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This article really rubs me the wrong way. I can't identify with any of the main characters. They all seem flaky! What about all the hardworking people who don't have shopping addictions and are falling behind on life's necessities? And the McDonald character seems like a self-involved fraud. Whenever I hear any author ramble on and on about weight loss, I see it as a gimmick to sell a book. Part of a marketing strategy. Don't we have enough phony exposes already? This kind of article just distracts from the real reasons for social inequality!

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» RE: Ick! Posted by: kilmer7165
» RE: Ick! Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Ick! Posted by: sammacdonald
» RE: Ick! Posted by: pgj1949
» RE: Ick! I worked as a janitor Posted by: UnEasyOne
the Great United States of.....
Posted by: eosrk on Jan 1, 2009 8:12 AM   
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Wal-Mart!!!

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thrift in a world of exess
Posted by: kilmer7165 on Jan 1, 2009 8:14 AM   
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There must really be people out there that can take s%$& and turn it into gold. This man has proved that going back to the ways of our grandparents that stuffed their coats and shoes with newspaper to ward off the cold of the great depression is a smart thing to do in times of economic uncertainty. Does anyone realize that you can only wear one coat and one pair of shoes at a time?
The problem is that television/culture continues to whisper in our ears that everything is going to be fine as long as we keep on purchasing what our incomes cannot sustain. Buy that SUV gas is cheaper now and it is on a half price sale because gas zoomed to the high price of $4 dollars a gallon just several months ago! The problem is and always has been sustainability, do we actually have the resources to continue this consumer lifestyle? A RESOUNDING NO would be the answer and smart people have perched on their soapboxes to try to warn us of the impending doom, but we choose to watch the CEO of GM or Ford motor company that fly to Washington DC in corporate jets to ask for a handout from the taxpayer (dreaming that someday it is possible to be like these corporate whores) while regular Joe's paycheck will not support the purchase of the products that these giants want to push on them.
The real problem is credit, though good in certain circumstances must be used responsibly. Has anyone ever really sat down to find out that the $400 deal on that big TV could turn into a $4000 TV if they lose their job and cannot pay the credit card.......I just wonder sometimes....where is common sense???????
Can we teach this younger generation the lessons that our grandparents tried to teach us so that they do not continue to make the same mistakes?
They do say that history repeats itself!

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Thank God I don't own any credit cards....
Posted by: eosrk on Jan 1, 2009 8:19 AM   
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and I wish the assholes quit sending me solitications for one!!!!!

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» Or not Posted by: bob12386
» Once again, eff the system Posted by: bob12386
» Me too! Posted by: HoboHomo
Nothing new here: folks who behave foolishly with money will end up with little of it.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 1, 2009 8:34 AM   
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Or, a fool and his/her money are soon parted.

That goes equally for Bear Sterns as it does for random idiot number 4,756 who took that fat re-fi to pay for a new flat-screen television.

It's unfortunate that we don't do a better job at educating children in our schools about how to treat money. The compound interest formula, for example, usually gets a two-day treatment around 10th grade algebra, and we all know that there are two kinds of people in the world:

a) those who understand and use compound interest to their advantage

and

b) all the other ignorant, broke individuals who pull out their credit cards and the equity in their homes for a fleeting bit of gratification.

Then again, the responsibility to educate children ultimately lies with the parents. We have many "adult children" in this country raised by folks who grew up during the depression, and vowed never to make junior or little missy want for anything.

Perhaps things make sense, if you consider events cyclical...

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WE DROWN IN ADVERTISING
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 1, 2009 8:36 AM   
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Last night I watched the ball fall in Times Square. There were lots of blue hats and they all had "Nivea" advertising on them. They make a good product, but enough is enough. We are surrounded by logos everywhere we go. Newborn babies see advertising before they see their new relatives. This has an effect on people and not because they're stupid. Because it's supposed to. Stop feeding the beast. Maybe we need more grafitti. ANNA

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» RE: WE DROWN IN ADVERTISING Posted by: MJ Fields
almost50
Posted by: milfseeker on Jan 1, 2009 8:43 AM   
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Remember back a couple of months ago, there was a "TV" commercial, put out by a major credit card company, that went something like this:

"I want it all"
"I want it all"
-and-
"I want it now".

Even if we can't afford it, I will be getting my income tax soon, or possibly, a raise, so I will pay for it then. Shame on all of the people who are now crying that they can not afford what they once had. I know, some of their problems were unforeseeable, but, did they save for a rainy day? "Hell no" they didn't. Every time they got a raise from their job, I have to have a bigger house, new car, flat screen TV. Got cable, we don't, cell phone, we don't. Satellite radio? Well, at age 47, my wife and I both retired, house paid for, cars paid for, no debt, raised two kids (twins), who both graduated from collage. Both my wife and I did this working retail jobs, with the simple philosophy:
"You take care of your pennies, and your
your dollars will take care of themselves!!
Maybe, just, maybe, people might start thinking, we don't need it all, and we don't need it now..

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» ISN'T THAT.... Posted by: Mewsician
A Specific Application of Employment, Interest and Money
Posted by: Adam Smith on Jan 1, 2009 8:50 AM   
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Abstract:

This tract makes a critical analysis of credit based, free market economy, Capitalism, and proves that its dysfunctions are the result of the existence of credit.

It shows that income / wealth disparity, cause and consequence of credit and of the level of long-term interest-rates, is the first order hidden variable, possibly the only one, of economic development.

It solves most of the puzzles of macro economy: among which Business Cycles, Stagflation, Greenspan Conundrum, Deflation and Keynes' Liquidity Trap...

It shows that no fiscal or monetary policy, including the barbaric quantitative easing will get us out of depression.

It shows that Adam Smith, John Maynard Keynes, Karl Marx and Alan Greenspan don't contradict each other but that they each bring a meaningful contribution to a same framework for understanding macro economy.

It proposes a credit free, free market economy as a solution that would correct all of those dysfunctions.

In This Age of Turbulence People Want an Exit Strategy out of Credit, an Adventure in a New World Economic Order.


Read It.
http://edsk.org/

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» You all should check out Mish Posted by: kackermann
» Sorry, forgot the link Posted by: kackermann
ba
Posted by: mnstra on Jan 1, 2009 9:44 AM   
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Give me a break Once the Ruling elite curbs their spending, I may do the same/Trust me --you are picking on the wrong people . Stop criticizing the common man. Go after those bastards on Wall Street.How many TVs can one buy with a severance package.? Alternet needs to get real revolutionary and point the blame where it belongs. The power hungry elite.There can be no solution to the financial crisis with out arresting them all.First!!!!!!!!!

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» RE: ba Posted by: sherman
wise people and foolish people
Posted by: billwald on Jan 1, 2009 10:20 AM   
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The wise people will generally do OK and foolish people will generally be losers. What is different about this generation?

In the past, some of the wisest people knew that the system was against them and their best chance was to co-operate with other people who knew the system was against them. They organized into labor unions and hired lawyers who were smarter than they were to represent them.

This generation - 80% of them think they are winners, much smarter than average, and don't need anyone's help to claw and/or scam their way to the top. In other words, losers.

But I suspect the people described in story are WASPS. The day of the W/M/WASP is over. The Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Moslem . . . young people don't seem to have this problem.

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Don't blame the victim.
Posted by: waterflaws on Jan 1, 2009 10:23 AM   
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Yes, we need to change BUT

At the merciless and soulless hands of the ruling elite, Americans have lost $14 TRILLION in real estate and stock market* wealth in the last COUPLE MONTHS! Add to that The Bailout(s) and the Fed new loans, and the bill comes to somewhere $50 THOUSAND PER PERSON (man, woman and child). Our REAL rulers WANT us to blame the victim, even when it's us. They profit from it.

*much of it being saved for retirement. To think, they tried to get us to put our Social Security money in the stock market.

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"Hunger is Power." Try "Unions are Power".
Posted by: mcartri on Jan 1, 2009 10:46 AM   
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Check-out graphs that detail the decline of real wages & the viability of the American middle class. Compare the graphs with the decline of unions in America. Unions gave us the middle class. Democracy cannot function without a strong middle class. Draw your own conclusions as to where we are going as a nation...

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"Free market economy," the cool urban way way to say ripoff.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 1, 2009 12:14 PM   
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From the article:
"Retail prices pretty much always appalled me, and when this became the country of $30 steak dinners, the country in which concert tickets to see washed-up rock stars topped $200, it became a country I no longer recognized."

This reminded me of something I've been thinking for the past few weeks. Thanks to the tanking economy, retailers, in order to get eyeballs into their stores, have deep-discounted most everything as much as 70% off. While some of those stores may go of of business, most will not. Which means, if those stores can still manage to survive while reducing their prices by 70%, then that is a big red flag as to HOW BADLY THEY'VE BEEN RIPPING US OFF THE REST OF THE TIME!!

We're being played for suckers.

Through incessant advertising that, quite literally, assaults us every two minutes, 22 minutes per hour, 24 hours a day, seven days a week on radio and TV, and nearly everywhere we look elsewhere, we have been turned into a society of greedy little Lemmings, ready to follow over an economic cliff anyone who promises happiness by owning mountains of overpriced cheap plastic crap.

But, it is not all our fault. As anyone who remembers Skinner's experiments with Operant Conditioning will tell you, any animal can be made to do anything an experimenter wants if O.C. techniques are applied carefully and often enough. This is precisely what retailers and their advertising industry have done to us for the last half century.

As unwitting guinea pigs in this grand experiment, each one of us today is exposed to brainwashing techniques from the infantile first moment of cognition. So maybe it will take nothing less than the complete collapse of this fetid system to break its hypnotic spell. The shock of the collapse, that increasingly seems inevitable, will be horrific; but, maybe, afterward we'll be battle-scared but smarter, but will be better able to understand what being human is really all about.

One thing is certain, though; the demented road of unfettered mercantilism, so efficient at producing faux wealth, leads to hell, whether in terms of the destruction of the human spirit or the destruction of Planet Earth. The two are inseparable.

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Dmadrone
Posted by: Dmadrone on Jan 1, 2009 12:33 PM   
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When you see house prices dive, car prices drop and shop sales at 75% discount, you get to see the killer profit margines we have been living with. Americans are not only in debt, we are in debt for thin air...prices paid to pad profits, not for the actual product itself (plus a reasonable profit).

The story that we have shopped ourselves into this is a big lie that puts the blame on us instead of the speculators and businesses that killed regulations that used to protect us against predatory economics.

In the European Union, it is still possible to get an education without being forced into destructive debt, and to get health care without losing the farm.

'Growth' in this country has little to do with producing goods and services people need (which would sustain at a level proportional to the population) but instead is based in debt: high interest rates, fees and charges.

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Impossible solution
Posted by: Dmadrone on Jan 1, 2009 1:40 PM   
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I live in a small community where no one makes much money. All are in debt for housing, what little education is available, transportation and health care. A huge chunk of this debt is not product or service, but simply interest and fees. As jobs disappear, and salaries go down, people's debt load and payments remain the same. To survive, they first go without medicines, then electricity, then live in their car or a friend's garage. This makes no sense: houses go empty and decay, the interest rates and fees don't get paid and the American people suffer.

Believe it or not, there used to be upper limits on what interest rates could be charged, and in some cases, what profit margin companies could have. Businesses survived even so.

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Yes, debt is addiction
Posted by: mossandferns on Jan 1, 2009 2:57 PM   
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The culture of debt that is promoted by advertising has definitely led to addiction in large numbers of people. Debtors Anonymous can help. It is possible to recover from compulsive spending and to repay debts, and it doesn't even need to involve canned tuna and lentils for months or years on end. (Unless that's what you most want to eat.)

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Sam MacDonald again
Posted by: sammacdonald on Jan 1, 2009 3:21 PM   
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Hi. Sam MacDonald again. The guy who wrote the book. I would only add here that I tried to be very careful about using the laguage of "addiction." I know people who are really addicited to many things. And I don't think I would put myself in that category. Nobody duped me into spending all that money or getting that fat. I was just being stupid. Many, many people do not have the emotional or financial or other werewithal to stop their self-destructive behavior. I did. I just chose not to employ it until I hit the breaking point. I liked the life I was living. I was having fun. Lots of it. Until the pipers came a-piping. So I paid them.

For me, claiming addiction would be a terrible cop-out. I only say that because, again, I know people situated in that way. I wasn't one of them. I was just kind of being selfish and short-sighted.

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» RE: Sam MacDonald again Posted by: mossandferns
I'm addicted too...
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Jan 1, 2009 5:15 PM   
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even though most of my shopping is done at thrift shops and flea markets. It's incredibly difficult to stop an addiction to spending. I spent a lousy $12 at the Salvation Army thrift shop this week and feel guilty about it because of the pressure of not being able to pay bills. On the other hand, my electric bill is outrageous. My house is always cold (around 60 degrees or less) because I'm trying to save on heating. I never eat out; I cut back on food and lost 40 pounds. I haven't been to the movies in a year. The cats are now getting cheaper bags of dry food instead of cans. But no matter how much I cut back, the prices and the taxes and the fees keep escalating. I don't know how most of us are going to make it. Maybe I could write a book and earn some money like those other guys....

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» RE: I'm addicted too... Posted by: Lily H.
Hard Lesson Learned
Posted by: gandolfshep on Jan 1, 2009 5:22 PM   
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20 years ago I lost a good paying job and in a matter of a few months was flat broke. Home gone, car repossessed, about as low as you can get but still too proud to file for bankruptcy.

So I took a hard look at how I got that way and decided never again.

I payed off what I owed with a $6.00 an hour job. I stopped going to bars and buying anything I didn't have a viable need for.

Now I have no debt other than rent on a small apartment, insurance, food and elec. I have no credit cards only debit and don't buy a thing unless I have the cash in the bank to pay for it, enough to add to savings and more than is needed to get through until the next pay period incase of an emergency.

I have much less than before and my life is very much simpler now but I have found a new happiness that far exceeds the old ways.

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Lesson Unlearned
Posted by: peridot on Jan 1, 2009 9:28 PM   
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My parents were children of the depression and The War. When my father returned from his soldiering we lived in a tiny house with an ice box and a wood burning cook stove. As the post war prosperity became commonplace, our family shared in the abundance that created what was to become known as The American Dream. Before my mom and dad had died they worked and saved to provide, above all else, financial security. I grew up on a dialogue of what life was like in the depression. They never forgot and lived the lesson learned. That dialogue always remained with me. Be wary, don't believe in the quick fix, there is never NEVER a free lunch. Bankers, lawyers, and politicians, (except FDR) are in the snake-oil business. There was practical advise as well but it came down to money in the bank will provide more comfort and confidence than anything you can buy with it.
It annoyed me when I was a younger man that they wouldn't buy a newer, bigger car or that they balked at the idea of going to a restaurant for family events. Actually, I could find a million good reasons for them to spend their money.
It has been many years now since they passed. I went through my own kind of awakening concerning money, prosperity, indulgence, and deprivation. Fortunately I had time to rediscover the common sense learned at the family tableside. For better or for worse, it was true. All true.

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Oh, goody. More bootstrap stories.
Posted by: kay_em on Jan 2, 2009 2:16 PM   
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I guarantee we'll see more stories like this, because it's easy and invokes that satisfying, sanctimonious rage in angry people looking for a scapegoat. Plus, it has the added benefit of distracting people from systemic failures in society.

Granted, the author lived a life of excess, and then radically changed his life to pay his debts. I can empathize; I did something similar. My concern is that people will conflate his story with others, and assume that unless everyone does what he did, they deserve their poverty.

That doesn't work if the person is $70,000 in debt because she had a heart attack and no health insurance. It doesn't apply to someone who works for $8 an hour, 60 to 80 hours a week, is barely making the house payment and putting food on the table, yet still making too much money to qualify for government assistance.

In short, while the story is entertaining, I'm afraid people will flog those who did not "pull themselves up by their bootstraps," while conveniently failing to notice those people had no bootstraps upon which to pull. It's quick, easy, and accomplishes nothing - not exactly what we need right now.

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Have you noticed?
Posted by: Menopausal Mick on Jan 3, 2009 8:28 AM   
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Have you noticed....

We get bombarded with food commercials late at night.

(for me, the ones with anything chocolate are the worst....chocolate...sigh..it's like my pusher came directly into my home to try and serve my addiction from the television screen.)

In a country where obesity is the new majority demographic, we get food commercials that hit the air at the WORST time someone should be eating junk food. Right before bed. Many of the recent ads are for the dollar meal deals to be sure to get your very LAST dollar for junk food.

Have you noticed...

If you are fiscally responsible your credit score can actually go DOWN?

I had a small credit card that I paid off and my guy had no credit cards. I have a much higher score than he has because he won't play their silly credit card game. He has no credit card so his score is lower. What sense does that make?

Have you noticed....

Good credit is sometimes a bad thing. When a flood caused serious damage to our old homestead, FEMA gave those people with bad credit a grant which is basically a gift and folks like us with a decent credit rating were offered an SBA loan, which is like any loan and is repayable to the government or ELSE.

Have you noticed....

Until recently, a person filing bankruptcy to discharge debt would get floods of new credit card offers in the month after the old debt was discharged. Gotta keep the suckers on the line, don't ya know. Not sure if the credit card companies still do this since the meltdown but this business plan helped produce our current financial mess by extending credit to people who already had a proven problem with managing credit.

Why'd the credit card companies do it? Simple. Bankruptcy was a one time only means of clearing debt. Any future credit card debt would be safe from discharge and could wrack up interest on interest until the end of time. Why NOT get their best credit junkies back on the hook for a usury rate?

Have you noticed...

The price of a barrel of oil was about 45 bucks this week. Were new oil fields discovered? Did they improve the cost ratio for refining? Was oil released from the national stockpile? Did we really stop driving enough to drop the prices 80 bucks a barrel from the historic highs of this year? Or do they think the new administration will get serious about green alternatives and lower oil costs might let us fall back asleep instead?

Sure, I'm enjoying the lower cost at the pumps but do I believe prices will stay this way if we revert our focus to an old oil based economy instead of pursuing alternative energy as a nationwide effort? Puhleez.

Are we having fun yet?

Menopausal Mick

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Like the author, I'm from a different financial planet
Posted by: libgal on Jan 3, 2009 10:49 AM   
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My friend once laughed and said I had depression-era mentality. Maybe because I shopped at thrift stores while making a six-figure salary. That was no hair shirt, by the way, since I find it fun, like treasure hunting. I worked in publishing for most of my career, so my starting salary was an unliveable wage. That wasn't a big problem since I had been broke in college and was used to it. I didn't hate it either, embracing a punk/anti-bourgeoise attitude. Even years later, after I started to make better money, I was still living below my means while others tested the limits of theirs. The way companies would lay people off, I never saw any salary as a permanent guarantee of income, just a temporary windfall. Sometimes I felt jealous of people who took greater risks with their money. They seemed to be more fun-loving and freer. Able to walk into a bookstore and buy a book at full price. Crazy! Or buy a collection of DVDs that they'll only watch once. New winter coats and shoes every year. A TV in every room. Or whatever the hell else people run up on their credit cards at the mall. But I didn't scrimp all the time either. I went to nice restaurants now and then. Treated friends. Took some exciting trips. Had a laptop and an ipod. Today, I own my own house and car outright. I left the corporate world and work parttime as a freelancer. Because of my low overhead, I am able to support the household while putting my husband through school. We spend money on all the things we want, but maybe due to years of simple living, our wants don't bankrupt us. We are not millionaires, but we're definitely comfortable. Yes, I know, I'm lucky as hell. But then I've long been aware and appreciative of that fact even when I was "poor." Hot water on demand. An amazing number of food choices available around the clock. The ability to be warm in winter/cool in summer. A private bedroom. Free from vermin. In many parts of the world, this is the mark of great wealth. Maybe when you start from there, you don't feel like you need an ugly bag covered in logos to be happy. And if you need more help fighting the giant consumerist machine, make your last splurge subscriptions to Adbusters and Make magazines. Or better yet, check them out on the web for free. Studies show that wealth above the comfort level doesn't bring happiness. Beauty is meant to be fleeting. Stop trying to "win." I'm just saying...

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Why pay down debt when times get tough?
Posted by: bob12386 on Jan 3, 2009 3:55 PM   
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You're doing the exact opposite of what a rational person would do. A rational person would save when times are good and plentiful.

When times get tough, when you lose your job, that is the time to tap into your available credit lines to survive. It is NOT the time to pay down debt.

This seems so blatantly obvious to me and yet everyone seems to believe the opposite. I have to think, at this point, that it's some kind of media propaganda campaign to get Americans to cut back and pay down debt to further enrich the corporations before the whole system crashes completely.

There is no special place in the soup line for a homeless person with zero debt.

My credit cards will pay for my groceries but they won't pay my rent. Only cash will pay my rent. If I use my cash to pay down my credit cards then I am simply accelerating my trip to the gutter.

And to put this in perspective, I did recently lose my job. If I don't find work within 3 months I'm going to be on the street. I fully intend to maximize my available credit to buy all sorts of things prior to that date.

Guess what else you can do with credit? Use it to buy things then sell them at a pawn shop for cash to pay your rent. You're just not being creative enough.

So what if I don't pay my credit cards or student loans? If I don't find work I'm going to be homeless anyway. Even if they bring back debtor's prison they aren't going to come after a homeless man for 10 or 20 grand in debt.

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» RE: you make good points but... Posted by: Menopausal Mick
Privileged Kids Making Bad Decisions Get Book Deals?
Posted by: sean000 on Jan 5, 2009 8:35 AM   
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Gee this sounds an awful lot like a television drama: Privileged kids with college educations make stupid choices until they are in too deep. Then they turn their lives around. Yeah I know it's hard to make the right choices, and I'm sure it's even more difficult to quit cold turkey so you can dig yourself out of such a hole... but I can't quite feel totally sorry for the people in this story. It's not like they were from economically depressed neighborhoods with few options for education or employment. It's not like they have to figure out how to support three kids by working two minimum wage jobs. It's not like they suddenly found themselves in a hole because of a medical condition that cost them tens or hundreds of thousands because they lacked insurance (or insurance wouldn't pay).

This libertarian journalist mentioned in the story should thank his lucky stars that all he had to worry about was digging himself out of a hole of his own creation. Libertarians often don't realize that there are many Americans who make all the right choices but still find themselves in holes so deep that they will be happy just to avoid sinking any deeper. I bet all of the people mentioned in this story had at least one family member who could sometimes send them money. Maybe they burned those bridges on their drug and shopping filled benders. I guess they deserve a congratulations for growing up, but a book deal? I suppose they want medals as well?

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» THIS WON'T BE FUN EITHER!! Posted by: reelman
Many people are
Posted by: AdenM on Jan 8, 2009 1:02 AM   
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Many people are finding themselves in debt because of excess spending, by using various methods like racking up massive credit card debt, or getting excess amounts of payday loans. The kind of money you can save by getting serious about your budget and doing a little financial planning is appreciable. One of the best ways to get things going is to write down every one of your expenses at the end of the month. Next categorize habitual and excessive spending and cut out the excess. Try and keep a little extra cash to put towards something good, like paying down your debt. Even if you can only keep an extra $20, you can put that towards the credit card payments and it will help. If you run your budget correctly, you could even come up with a hundred or two, and that will really help you out. Even for those who consider themselves conservative spenders, the amount you can save could surprise you, just by making a modest sacrifice. Right now is a great time to get your consumer credit debt reduced. If you could use a little extra cash as well, read this article posted on the payday loan money blog at personalmoneystore.com.

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Financial burden is gettting worst.
Posted by: Colten A on Jan 10, 2009 1:03 AM   
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The economy is in need of financial support. A good deal and not a whole lot of money is a problem that a lot of people find themselves facing, and they end up looking into payday loans as a means of getting what they're after. Whether something is a good deal or not doesn't mean by any stretch that you have to buy it, and thinking so leads to unwise decision-making. However, there is a method of getting something down to a price that is more acceptable to your standards, an age old technique that may not take that long to master, if you commit yourself - the ancient art of haggling. If you take a while to haggle with sales representatives over some of the finer points of a purchase, you can save yourself money. Obviously, the clerk at Safeway doesn't apply, but on things like a refrigerator, this can save you some money and maybe save you from getting a payday loan. The thing is that retailers have a sales quota to meet, especially when it comes to warranties, and if they shave a few hundred off the top, and they can get you out the door with an item with warranty, both parties just won. There is a lot more you can learn about haggling by reading the article called "Haggling Better Buys Next Payday | Money Saving Tips" on the payday loan money blog at personalmoneystore.com.

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