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Everything You Need to Know about Iran But the Mass Media, the Republicans and Hillary Clinton Wouldn't Tell You
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Just a month ago, while Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and President George W. Bush met in Washington for the last time as heads of state and continued their relentless bellicose rhetoric toward Iran, I and three activists from the United States were in Iran as citizen diplomats talking with Iranians on their views of a new American presidential administration and their hopes for their country.
We went to Iran with no illusions. We knew well the history of United States involvement in Iran. We knew of Iranian support for organizations U.S. administrations have labeled terrorist groups. And we were very familiar with international concerns about Iran's nuclear-enrichment program and human-rights record.
We wanted to talk with members of the Iranian government as well as with ordinary Iranians. We ended up meeting with officials in the Iranian president's office and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and with two female members of the Iranian Parliament (Majles). We also spoke with businesspersons, members of nongovernmental organizations, writers, filmmakers and university students and faculty.
Writing about the concerns of the Iranians we met leaves one open to comments of being one-sided, not speaking with enough Iranians to provide the "real" voices and of picking and choosing voices to record. I acknowledge the possible criticism in advance but believe our discussions are worthy of presentation to those who have not been so fortunate to have traveled to Iran to see and hear for themselves. So here goes.
Iranians Want Peace, Not War
Codepink Women for Peace co-founders Jodie Evans and Medea Benjamin, Fellowship of Reconciliation Iran Program Director Laila Zand and I were reminded in virtually every conversation that Iranians want peace with the United States. Not one person in Iran told us that, first, she believed her country would begin a war with the United States or any other country, including Israel, and second, that if the United States initiated military actions against Iran, that those actions would resolve problems in Iran or with the United States.
They reminded us that, unlike the United States, which has invaded and occupied Iran's neighbors Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran has not attacked any country in the last 200 years. They reminded us that Iran was the victim of an eight-year war in the 1980s, when Iraq invaded Iran and the United States and European countries provided Iraq with military equipment, intelligence and chemical weapons that were used at least 50 times against Iranian civilians and military forces. We learned that during that war, the Revolution's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini had mandated that it would be against Islamic precepts to bomb Iraqi cities or use chemical or unconventional weapons on Iraq -- and Iranian military forces complied.
Most Iranians Have Issues With Their Government, as Most Americans Have Issues With Theirs
Iran is a country with a population of about 70 million (two-and-one-half times as many people as Iraq) and a geographic area about the size of Alaska (four times as large as Iraq). Tehran, the nation's capital, has 7.5 million people in the urban area and 15 million in surrounding areas. It is a modern city with a beautiful subway and cosmopolitan shops, as well as a huge traditional bazaar and an incredible number of cars, trucks and motorcycles. Tehran and Iran have recovered from the Iraq war that ended 20 years ago and are holding up remarkably well to U.S. and international sanctions.
Most Iranians with whom we talked openly said they have issues with many aspects of their government. Many said the Iranian people share a common dislike with Americans -- dislike of their respective governments -- noting that Bush's and the U.S. Congress' approval ratings with the American people are extremely low, as is Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's ratings, particularly in urban areas. But, they strongly said they do not want outside interference in the internal political events of their country and definitely do not want a political system and government installed by invasion and occupation. Their democracy, even with its flaws, is better than a U.S.-enforced democracy, they said.
America's best policy would be to treat Iran with respect and not with threats of military action. Any attempt to overthrow the Iranian government would be met with stiff opposition, even from those who don't like the government, they repeated. "Regime change" will come in due time and in an Iranian manner.
U.S. Interference in Iran's Internal Affairs
Several reminded us that in January 1981, the United States and Iran signed the Algiers Accord, in which the United States agreed "not to intervene, directly or indirectly, politically or militarily, in Iran's internal affairs." The Algiers Accord was the agreement to end the 444-day U.S. Embassy hostage crisis.
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Posted by: Bahramerad on Jan 1, 2009 5:00 AM
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1) 'In what they surely knew would be a very controversial request, the British Broadcasting Company asked Ahmadinejad to deliver Channel 4's traditional "alternative Christmas message" to the Queen's Christmas address.' —
I remind you that The British Broadcasting has Noting to do with channel 4 - which is an independent private broadcasting company.Your statement is tottaly inaccorate and to put it midley - It is a lie -
You also say that -
2)- 'It turned out that Ahmadinejad's 36- second message in Farsi, with English subtitles, broadcast on Christmas Day probably resonated with much of the world
may I correct you that his speech was for 7 minutes long and not 36 seconds! — and no — it did not have any effect inside Britain or outside Britain and was a total non event and an embarrassment for Ahmadinejad by showing him up for being an antichrist / eveil and a bigot that he is.
If indeed 'Ahmadinejad is a devout Muslim, and criticised the "indifference of some governments and powers" toward the teachings of the "divine prophets, including Jesus Christ" then perhaps he could say something about the Human rights violations in his own country vis a vie the stoning to death of two people in Mashad just week — let alone the public hanging of minoris and women and old men and the barbaric lashings in public , cutting off of hands and gouging out of eyes by his government.
I do not wish to go through all your article and pull out the inaccuracies and plain propaganda that you were feed and accepted from the most hated and barbaric fascist country in the world today — but it is sufficient to say that you are either naive or a bumbling CIA agent — distributing your nonsense for who knows for what purpose.
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Posted by: BiBiJon on Jan 1, 2009 6:35 AM
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"a clear majority of Iranians express satisfaction with the "process by which the authorities are elected in this country" (62%, including 18% very satisfied and 44% somewhat satisfied) and approved of "the way President Ahmadinejad is handling his job as president" (66%). [WPO, QQ 40, 45] These approval ratings lie roughly midway between Iranian support for the "ideal" of a free and direct popular vote for political leaders (86% support - see paragraph above) and support for a religious autocracy (38%). While many observers characterize the present Iranian political system as a religious autocracy, evidently many Iranians do not see it that way."
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jan 1, 2009 9:21 AM
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But then my biggest hope is that they'll all move to Iran where they'll fit in much better.
Iran hates gays, doesn't teach evolution in school, and believes that religion should be intimately involved in government.
'nuff said.
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jan 2, 2009 1:35 AM
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the sad thing Dinner Jacket and CO is on the ropes and would be knocked down if it wasn't for the wiliness of the Left to watch the world burn in the name of Engo-Saxon guilt
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 2, 2009 3:44 AM
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Not to mention the continued unfettered support they've given to the Iraeli Strongarm tactics.
Between the Saudi's and the Israeli's, I don't think any of the last 40 yrs of Admins has done ANYTHING remotely in Our Interests.
The US Govt spends more time rectifying (hiding) the Fucked up relationships they develop with dangerous and deadly bedfellows.
When a Pres DARES say 'So What' when faced withthe reality that terrorist groups Did Not reside in Iraq prior to our invasion, and The American People Know it. Or a VP who DARES say 'So' when reacting to the fact the majority of Americans wanted out of Iraq....Why should we beleive anything they say, they blatantly Lie with out regret and disregard the will of the People.
In fact The Bushies obsession with Iran only leads me to think there is a reason they want to bolester Iran's 'Cred' by constantly regarding them as a 'threat'...Are they Trying to convince US or the Saudis, Or the Israeli's? Trying to scare the Monkey Of Our backs? Attempting to elicit 'protection' money from these two countries. Do they use the 'threat' of iran to keep the Saudi's and Israelis reliant upon US? As a Means of Extortion? ...Follow the money and the Unjustified condemnation of Iran will make since( War Profitteers and Political 'Chicken')
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Posted by: freelyb on Jan 2, 2009 6:32 AM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 2, 2009 5:22 AM
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Posted by: trees&water on Jan 2, 2009 6:38 AM
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Hillary did say if Iran nuked Israel it would be obliterated. That was in the heat of a campaign and anyway, what is the problem -- it was a hypothetical answer. The shoe did not fit so noone had to wear it (that is, Iran says, "we don't have nuclear weapons."
It is always so amazing when women feel the need to pick and poke at Hillary Clinton. I guess that is always the way when an oppressed group moves forward, the people who stand out and fight hard, get targeted by others in their oppressed class. And don't tell me there is no oppression of women in the military.
I believe Hillary Clinton will be a fantastic Secretary of State, that she is a peacemaker and that Iran has "fears" is like saying "people breathe". THE US has "fears". The job of leadership is to help people get over the meaningless fears and act in ways to sensibly deal with things we need to fear.
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Posted by: Brez on Jan 2, 2009 7:06 AM
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Oops, the author must have forgotten about the attack on the US embassy... Oh, wait, no she didn't:
The Algiers Accord was the agreement to end the 444-day U.S. Embassy hostage crisis.
Sorry Ann, attacking an embassy is the same as an attack on the country itself - an act of war. Taking civilian hostages is a war crime.
You might like to think otherwise in your support of a country that is supplying rockets used to attack the civilian populace of Israel, but you would be wrong.
You do make some good points about the attitudes of the Iraqi people, as opposed to that of their government, much like us under the fascist thug Bush. Too bad you corrupt your major premise by your disingenuous obfuscation.
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Posted by: 876 on Jan 2, 2009 8:05 AM
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Iran has attacked the Afghan city of Herat multiple times. No need to resort to lying simply to prove your point.
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Posted by: martyweiss on Jan 2, 2009 10:28 AM
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Just like the prison guards' union is against legalization of pot, the Defense Industry is against peace.
The US has a choice; either be a strong friend or a weak bully, and we have chosen the bully for profit. Police states never work. Control of borders is an illusion. Human ingenuity and inalienable rights means people are the source of order, not guns or walls. Order cannot be imposed on a free society like America. Attempting to enforce order transforms an open society into a police state. Law-abiding is magnitudes more profound than law enforcement.
Force is the last and least efficient resort of the insecure. Yet force is the profit center of the Defense Industry in spite of our entire species being based on the weakest- mothers and children, rather than the strongest: the oh-so macho insecure males. This honorable ex-military officer makes good sense, even if our current foreign policy does not.
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Posted by: BillSamuel on Jan 2, 2009 3:12 PM
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The United States could start on the road to productive dialogue with Iran by a public apology for our role in overthrowing the democratic government of Iran in 1953. As a Christian, I believe confession and repentance are very valuable steps to take.
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Posted by: bdunn1@tds.net on Jan 2, 2009 5:13 PM
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Anglo-Persian Oil Co.
How did our oil get under their sand anyway, and why should these cheeky foreigners control their own resources?
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Posted by: EinMD on Jan 2, 2009 6:45 PM
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Just ask the American Indians (if you can find any) how well the US Government keeps it's treaties.
I just don't understand how any government in this world is stupid enough to trust us.
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Posted by: GUY FOX on Jan 2, 2009 7:09 PM
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Mean, mean, meanwhile Amerika's troops are $tuck in Iraq-nam and Afghanistan-nam, the empire of graveyards. They are there invading, fighting and dying for the $ake of corp-rat war profiteering. Just like Korea and Vietnam! Yesss... no doubt! The Amerikan people are the most ignornant and $tewepid people in the world. Eight years of George W. Bush, Amerika's dry drunk $ociopathic cowboy President, proves the point! Amerika... the $tewepid! Amerika... the arrogant! And Amerika destined to fall! Rome is burning because... WHERE THERE IS NO INSIGHT, THE PEOPLE PERISH!
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Posted by: dockboy on Jan 2, 2009 11:54 PM
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Posted by: dockboy on Jan 3, 2009 12:13 AM
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Brilliant!
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Posted by: Von on Jan 3, 2009 1:25 AM
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And this link by no means covers it all either
http://pr.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/pr20080304
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Posted by: Garvagh on Jan 3, 2009 4:36 PM
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(many of whom in effect are prostitutes of those manufacturers). Iran (and Syria) have sought normal relations with the US for many years.
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Posted by: Bahramerad on Jan 1, 2009 5:00 AM
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1) 'In what they surely knew would be a very controversial request, the British Broadcasting Company asked Ahmadinejad to deliver Channel 4's traditional "alternative Christmas message" to the Queen's Christmas address.' —
I remind you that The British Broadcasting has Noting to do with channel 4 - which is an independent private broadcasting company.Your statement is tottaly inaccorate and to put it midley - It is a lie -
You also say that -
2)- 'It turned out that Ahmadinejad's 36- second message in Farsi, with English subtitles, broadcast on Christmas Day probably resonated with much of the world
may I correct you that his speech was for 7 minutes long and not 36 seconds! — and no — it did not have any effect inside Britain or outside Britain and was a total non event and an embarrassment for Ahmadinejad by showing him up for being an antichrist / eveil and a bigot that he is.
If indeed 'Ahmadinejad is a devout Muslim, and criticised the "indifference of some governments and powers" toward the teachings of the "divine prophets, including Jesus Christ" then perhaps he could say something about the Human rights violations in his own country vis a vie the stoning to death of two people in Mashad just week — let alone the public hanging of minoris and women and old men and the barbaric lashings in public , cutting off of hands and gouging out of eyes by his government.
I do not wish to go through all your article and pull out the inaccuracies and plain propaganda that you were feed and accepted from the most hated and barbaric fascist country in the world today — but it is sufficient to say that you are either naive or a bumbling CIA agent — distributing your nonsense for who knows for what purpose.
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"a clear majority of Iranians express satisfaction with the "process by which the authorities are elected in this country" (62%, including 18% very satisfied and 44% somewhat satisfied) and approved of "the way President Ahmadinejad is handling his job as president" (66%). [WPO, QQ 40, 45] These approval ratings lie roughly midway between Iranian support for the "ideal" of a free and direct popular vote for political leaders (86% support - see paragraph above) and support for a religious autocracy (38%). While many observers characterize the present Iranian political system as a religious autocracy, evidently many Iranians do not see it that way."
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jan 1, 2009 9:21 AM
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But then my biggest hope is that they'll all move to Iran where they'll fit in much better.
Iran hates gays, doesn't teach evolution in school, and believes that religion should be intimately involved in government.
'nuff said.
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jan 2, 2009 1:35 AM
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the sad thing Dinner Jacket and CO is on the ropes and would be knocked down if it wasn't for the wiliness of the Left to watch the world burn in the name of Engo-Saxon guilt
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 2, 2009 3:44 AM
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Not to mention the continued unfettered support they've given to the Iraeli Strongarm tactics.
Between the Saudi's and the Israeli's, I don't think any of the last 40 yrs of Admins has done ANYTHING remotely in Our Interests.
The US Govt spends more time rectifying (hiding) the Fucked up relationships they develop with dangerous and deadly bedfellows.
When a Pres DARES say 'So What' when faced withthe reality that terrorist groups Did Not reside in Iraq prior to our invasion, and The American People Know it. Or a VP who DARES say 'So' when reacting to the fact the majority of Americans wanted out of Iraq....Why should we beleive anything they say, they blatantly Lie with out regret and disregard the will of the People.
In fact The Bushies obsession with Iran only leads me to think there is a reason they want to bolester Iran's 'Cred' by constantly regarding them as a 'threat'...Are they Trying to convince US or the Saudis, Or the Israeli's? Trying to scare the Monkey Of Our backs? Attempting to elicit 'protection' money from these two countries. Do they use the 'threat' of iran to keep the Saudi's and Israelis reliant upon US? As a Means of Extortion? ...Follow the money and the Unjustified condemnation of Iran will make since( War Profitteers and Political 'Chicken')
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Posted by: trees&water on Jan 2, 2009 6:38 AM
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Hillary did say if Iran nuked Israel it would be obliterated. That was in the heat of a campaign and anyway, what is the problem -- it was a hypothetical answer. The shoe did not fit so noone had to wear it (that is, Iran says, "we don't have nuclear weapons."
It is always so amazing when women feel the need to pick and poke at Hillary Clinton. I guess that is always the way when an oppressed group moves forward, the people who stand out and fight hard, get targeted by others in their oppressed class. And don't tell me there is no oppression of women in the military.
I believe Hillary Clinton will be a fantastic Secretary of State, that she is a peacemaker and that Iran has "fears" is like saying "people breathe". THE US has "fears". The job of leadership is to help people get over the meaningless fears and act in ways to sensibly deal with things we need to fear.
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Posted by: Brez on Jan 2, 2009 7:06 AM
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Oops, the author must have forgotten about the attack on the US embassy... Oh, wait, no she didn't:
The Algiers Accord was the agreement to end the 444-day U.S. Embassy hostage crisis.
Sorry Ann, attacking an embassy is the same as an attack on the country itself - an act of war. Taking civilian hostages is a war crime.
You might like to think otherwise in your support of a country that is supplying rockets used to attack the civilian populace of Israel, but you would be wrong.
You do make some good points about the attitudes of the Iraqi people, as opposed to that of their government, much like us under the fascist thug Bush. Too bad you corrupt your major premise by your disingenuous obfuscation.
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Posted by: 876 on Jan 2, 2009 8:05 AM
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Iran has attacked the Afghan city of Herat multiple times. No need to resort to lying simply to prove your point.
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Posted by: americansheep on Jan 2, 2009 9:02 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Jan 2, 2009 10:20 AM
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Posted by: martyweiss on Jan 2, 2009 10:28 AM
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Just like the prison guards' union is against legalization of pot, the Defense Industry is against peace.
The US has a choice; either be a strong friend or a weak bully, and we have chosen the bully for profit. Police states never work. Control of borders is an illusion. Human ingenuity and inalienable rights means people are the source of order, not guns or walls. Order cannot be imposed on a free society like America. Attempting to enforce order transforms an open society into a police state. Law-abiding is magnitudes more profound than law enforcement.
Force is the last and least efficient resort of the insecure. Yet force is the profit center of the Defense Industry in spite of our entire species being based on the weakest- mothers and children, rather than the strongest: the oh-so macho insecure males. This honorable ex-military officer makes good sense, even if our current foreign policy does not.
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Posted by: BillSamuel on Jan 2, 2009 3:12 PM
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The United States could start on the road to productive dialogue with Iran by a public apology for our role in overthrowing the democratic government of Iran in 1953. As a Christian, I believe confession and repentance are very valuable steps to take.
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Posted by: FredK on Jan 2, 2009 3:47 PM
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Posted by: bdunn1@tds.net on Jan 2, 2009 5:13 PM
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Anglo-Persian Oil Co.
How did our oil get under their sand anyway, and why should these cheeky foreigners control their own resources?
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Posted by: Shankari46 on Jan 2, 2009 5:58 PM
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Posted by: EinMD on Jan 2, 2009 6:45 PM
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Just ask the American Indians (if you can find any) how well the US Government keeps it's treaties.
I just don't understand how any government in this world is stupid enough to trust us.
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Posted by: GUY FOX on Jan 2, 2009 7:09 PM
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Mean, mean, meanwhile Amerika's troops are $tuck in Iraq-nam and Afghanistan-nam, the empire of graveyards. They are there invading, fighting and dying for the $ake of corp-rat war profiteering. Just like Korea and Vietnam! Yesss... no doubt! The Amerikan people are the most ignornant and $tewepid people in the world. Eight years of George W. Bush, Amerika's dry drunk $ociopathic cowboy President, proves the point! Amerika... the $tewepid! Amerika... the arrogant! And Amerika destined to fall! Rome is burning because... WHERE THERE IS NO INSIGHT, THE PEOPLE PERISH!
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Posted by: dockboy on Jan 2, 2009 11:54 PM
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Posted by: dockboy on Jan 3, 2009 12:13 AM
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Brilliant!
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Posted by: Von on Jan 3, 2009 1:25 AM
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And this link by no means covers it all either
http://pr.thinkprogress.org/2008/03/pr20080304
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Posted by: Garvagh on Jan 3, 2009 4:36 PM
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(many of whom in effect are prostitutes of those manufacturers). Iran (and Syria) have sought normal relations with the US for many years.
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Posted by: lil ole me on Jan 3, 2009 5:39 PM
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