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My Dangerous Encounter With a Supermarket Security Guard & His Gun
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For years, since the United States invaded Iraq, I've witnessed countless photo and video images of innocent civilians -- men, women, teens and children -- being rudely and aggressively threatened by hired uniformed militants (mostly men), wielding guns. I've seen these images from Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Haiti, Palestine and more. Whether they be armed American military threatening Iraqis, armed Israeli soldiers threatening Palestinians, or armed Ethiopian troops threatening Somalis, the images have always disturbed me. There's an inherent injustice to such blatant imbalance of power. An injustice I suffered recently myself.
The oddity here is that unlike those less-fortunate innocents in war zones who faced the guns of hired aggressors, I was not in a war zone when I faced mine. I wasn't even in a high-crime zone. I was in a gentle middle-class suburb, where my aggressor, an armed Brink's, Inc. security guard, was in full combat mode performing his non-war-zone duty. My aggressor more typified the machismo of a Blackwater guard than the demeanor of community-minded Brink's, when he flailed his loaded gun at me, as though he'd done it often before. My armed Brink's aggressor was not merely disrespectful. He was downright hostile and dangerous. He treated me as his enemy and freely showed me his force.
Here's how it happened:
On Nov. 6, at approximately 12:45 p.m. on a sunny afternoon in Los Angeles, I walked through a parking lot en route to my neighborhood Albertsons market to pick up a prescription. I paid no mind to the Brink's armored truck to my right, as it waited alongside the store. The second I reached the store entrance, the uniformed Brink's guard emerged from the market with his gun outstretched, pointing in my direction. His face was turned away from his gun, leaving him unaware of my presence. Before I knew it, I'd walked right up to his gun, stopping inches before colliding. The suddenness of my stop thrust me slightly forward. I was so close to his gun that I saw its every groove -- from its "sexy" color and shape -- to its perfect fit in his hand. Its glimmer still glares in my mind.
Just then the guard turned and saw me and completely lost his cool. He flinched at my proximity just as I flinched at his. He became more aggressive despite my obvious fear. Instead of assessing that I was no threat and pulling back to allay my fear, he took the opposite tact. He became more aggressive and waved me off with his loaded gun, shaking it threateningly to move me away. I responded without hesitation, believing that if I hadn't, I might end up dead. In that one brief encounter, my entire 59 years of believing I was fearless evaporated in air. For the first time in my life, I experienced overwhelming, palpable fear and a vulnerability I'd never known.
I entered the market and went immediately to customer service to tell the store director what happened. I was clearly upset as I entered, as the store video would later show. Without going into further detail on what transpired in the store, let me just say that the store director at Albertsons couldn't care less. That part of my investigation is continuing, and has direct impact on why this article is being published today rather than closer to the date of the incident. Suffice it to say, Albertsons-Supervalu has steadily dropped the ball and is only fully coming on board now. Brink's, after all, is contracted by Albertsons. I'm Albertsons' customer -- not Brink's.
To be fair to this Brink's guard, and to those who work in armed-security services, I've learned quite a bit about the mind-set and dangers of being an armed guard. In fact, it's a highly dangerous profession, and in many ways, as underscored by a veteran LAPD officer with whom I spoke, more perilous than traditional law enforcement. In the realm of private security, where guards are transporting items of value, attackers hit directly at them. This differs from traditional law enforcers, who are commonly the pursuers and rarely the pursued. Thus Brink's guards and all private security who protect high-value targets must be hypervigilant and aware of their surroundings at all times. In fact, numerous Brink's and other security guards have been killed and wounded on the job.
Nonetheless, as I've also learned, Brink's guards have the option to unholster their weapons or to keep them in place as each situation demands. The guard who flailed his loaded firearm at me, unholstered it (as shown in the store video) and brandished it threateningly even though there was no imminent threat to his safety. His combat-style overzealous use of his weapon, his extreme edginess and his failure to accurately gauge his surroundings, resulted in a near collision between me and his gun that could have easily ended my life.
It's legal in California for a licensed private security guard to unholster his or her firearm if he or she perceives danger. Should the gun be unholstered, it must be pointed down. In my case, this gun was pointed toward me. At the time and date of my incident, no report of anything unusual in or around Albertsons was called by this guard, or by his team, in to the San Fernando headquarters where they're housed. Nor was anything out of the ordinary reported to the staff at the Albertsons before the guard left. The guard's clear view of the parking lot through the exit-way window, which would have shown me approaching, along with the full view of the parking lot for the driver of the armored vehicle, indicated no impending danger. Yet this guard unnecessarily and dangerously withdrew his weapon and launched into full combat-mode. He entered the parking lot with a brandished loaded firearm, and thus he endangered innocent civilians.
(Photo of Albertsons corner where I encountered the guard, showing the guard's visibility to the parking lot through the exit-way window. The Brink's truck was alongside the wall of the building).
Unlike Albertsons-Supervalu, Brink's, Inc. took this matter seriously from the beginning -- at least after I circumvented its delaying bureaucracy and went to the top. Within 40 minutes of the incident, I was on the phone with Richard Brager, Brink's Pacific Region vice president, who provided the following written response nearly a month after the incident happened. I've also had several conversations with the direct supervisor of the aggressive Brink's guard. To date, I don't know the identity of the guard, nor specific details about him. Getting that information will require intervention by the court. I'm debating this action.
I've stated previously in this article that the guard I encountered was in full combat-mode. Not surprisingly for the type of work it performs, Brink's is ranked No. 18 nationally in hiring former military. I support our former military and would like all returning vets to have good jobs. However, with the high number of vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), I question whether jobs requiring firearms are preferable without prior mental health evaluation. Below is a copy of the requirements for an entry-level job opening at the same San Fernando Valley Brink's office where this aggressor guard works. One can see from the ad that skill requirements are minimal, and no psychological testing is mandated. According to a representative from that San Fernando office, this advertised driver/guard position is the first step before becoming a guard. That same representative also told me several guards in that office are currently in the military reserves and are rehired between deployments. This is admirable of Brink's, however, I would again emphasize the need to comprehensively evaluate all returnees prior to assigning them jobs with guns. The guard I encountered was clearly over the top for the calm, low-crime environment he was in. The guard I encountered was, in my estimation, at war.
The Brink's Company was founded in 1859. In all likelihood, the majority of us have encountered Brink's guards routinely throughout our lives. I've seen Brink's as far back as I can remember and have never felt frightened -- although I've made a concerted effort to steer clear of their paths. But it wasn't until Nov. 6 that I ever witnessed a guard's gun drawn in the performance of his job. For purposes of this article, I asked well over 100 people if they'd ever encountered a Brink's guard with his/her gun drawn. Only one person I questioned said yes -- an LAPD officer stationed in the West Valley. In my calls to police divisions throughout Los Angeles -- some in the most dangerous parts of the city -- the police officers I spoke with, except for this one, all reported never having seen a Brink's guard with his gun drawn. It does appear that the guard I encountered, who operated in the idyllic suburbs as though in the throes of war, was an anomaly.
But as this nation moves further into financial decline, greater numbers of Americans will become more and more desperate. Crime is bound to increase. Armed guards, such as the one I encountered, will become even more edgy as real threat levels grow. In my suburban area of Los Angeles, where my gun encounter occurred, home foreclosures abound. Retail establishments are shutting down. Hard times are getting harder.
Over the past several years, Blackwater-style private security has flourished. Blackwater was in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also in New Orleans. With the incoming Obama administration, it is hoped that Blackwater will lose its stature, and its contracts will lessen and lapse. Still, the culture of the macho mercenary has grown. The Brink's guard I encountered exhibited that similar style bravado. We, as citizens, must work diligently to protect ourselves from abuse. I know I will. Run-ins with guns aren't that easy to forget. There's no place in our world for mercenary justice.
Authors note: A special thanks to my friends and colleagues, best-selling author Vincent Bugliosi and Op-Ed News Managing Editor Cheryl Biren-Wright for their insight, support and collaboration on this article. If you have ever encountered a Brink's or other private security guard in a non-threatening environment with his or her gun drawn, please state so in the comments -- along with any details you are able to provide. I do suspect there are some who have witnessed this in more dangerous parts of the nation. If so, please indicate where.
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Posted by: adp3d on Dec 31, 2008 3:35 AM
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Posted by: melloe on Dec 31, 2008 4:17 AM
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The mode is set. It will take a while to recover, if ever, and with the economic crisis, may get worse.
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Dec 31, 2008 6:08 AM
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If you were going to rob an armored car, the first thing you would do is to create a distraction. The easiest way to do this is to use an "innocent looking woman" who just happens to bump into the guard. I would have reacted the same way.
The writer here is a bit clueless. If I saw a Brinks truck I would have taken care to avoid the guards. Robberies are always a threat, and they can happen anywhere.
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» No way dude. Not justified.
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» The author stated it, but you don't know if that was true
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» What distracted the guard that may have led to the guard having drawn the weapon out?
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Posted by: 2dogarage on Dec 31, 2008 7:23 AM
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It's L.A., for crying out loud.
And what if you had accidentally run into someone with a loaded gun who was in the process of robbing the place instead of guarding the transport of very large sums of cash legitimately? You may have been shot and even killed.
I wish no one in the world ever had to fear the near occasion of violence under any circumstances but I wonder at the complacent mindset of Americans who have compartmentalized the daily routine of violence in other countries but who are self-righteously horrified when it comes home to our own soil.
I'm sure Albertsons in L.A. has the same electric doors that are ubiquitous across the nation, that open when you step up to the entrance. If you nearly collided with someone with a loaded and brandished gun at one of these intersections I can only suppose you may have been caught in some writer's reverie that disabled your personal responsibility to look where you were going.
Personally I find your outrage laughable. Try walking into a store in Watts with your defenses similarly down.
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Posted by: Naoma on Dec 31, 2008 7:33 AM
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in Phoenix. It was crowded on the platform
because the rides were FREE. I was somewhat
frightened by the presence of four men wearing
vests that said "homeland security" and carrying guns. What were they expecting?
I left shortly thereafter and did not get the
free ride. That many men with guns was rather
scary.
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Posted by: jleman on Dec 31, 2008 7:38 AM
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If one is unfortunate enough to become a footsoldier for the corporations through trying to serve one's country, are they less culpable than the corporation? Does their ignorance give them a shield to be used as, "I was just doing my job" Nuremberg plea when turned back towards society and given another weapon to "guard" property?
And these fabricated "wars" creating all of these "footsoldiers"??? Who has benefited from these wars? Certainly not the footsoldiers. Did they get unbid contracts for their "service"? Have they gotten a cut or guaranteed million dollar retirement like Cheney for a few years "service"? Or, do they end up having to work as a security guard? At least Cheney has proven he could be drunk and shoot a friend in the face and get away with it. Would one want a "Cheney" to be a security guard? Actually, hasn't Cheney proven that he is the ultimate corporate security guard?
Expect more of the same.
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Posted by: somegirl on Dec 31, 2008 8:08 AM
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don't they always say, don't point a gun unless you're planning on using it?
i do wonder though too...sorry...how did the author walk into this guard that way? doesn't make sense, but it doesn't really mitigate the fact that the guard shouldn't have had the gun drawn.
and it does freak me out a bit, and has for years, the thought of all these ptsd soldiers returning home, having little to no support, and getting jobs like this.
there has been a concerted effort during the bush years to inure us to this kind of thing...get ready for the police state.
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 31, 2008 11:11 AM
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I had lots of fun reading the silly commentary too... best shit Alternet's had in days. Things must be gettin' slow.
Well, off to Trader Joe's to get some milk with my bottle return money... I'll be sure to go well armed, brandishing my weaponry and hypervigilant since that's the new standard of care apparently. That way while in my writer's reverie and I run over a Brink's guard we can be certain to ensure mutual destruction and mass carnage just so no one will be confused later.
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Posted by: Rochelle_Weber on Dec 31, 2008 11:13 AM
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Also, having lived with a veteran who suffered from PTSD, I agree that giving guns to returning vets without some major screening processes is utterly ridiculous. If this guard was so worried about his own safety, why wasn't he watching where he was going and where his gun was pointed.
As for the person who said you should have avoided the guards--they were not near their truck. As you entered the store, you likely did not have reason to expect them to be coming out with guns drawn. As far as you knew, they could have been in the back of the store or wherever the safe is kept.
Oh, and speaking of PTSD--you probably now suffer from it, too. If you're suing them, I fervently hope you win. And I certainly hope they've fired that guard.
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Posted by: Uriahz on Dec 31, 2008 1:56 PM
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Seriously, how sheltered and privileged are you people?
The guard overreacted while doing a dangerous job. Having a legitimate fear for his safety, he unholstered his gun. In these heightened circumstances, he pointed it at the person who had invaded his space. Him not being aware of her until the last moment only increases the adrenaline and fear involved on his part.
This guy is not a street thug pulling this move. He's a professional armed guard. He might not be well trained, but he's just trying to do his job without getting himself killed. He is, as the author points out, rightly afraid for his life. He overreacted by pointing the gun at her, but quite frankly just the act of him acting all military towards her while holding a gun would have been just as scary for her.
In a world where there are a million grave injustices in the world, acts of REAL VIOLENCE against innocent people not just by evil criminals but by the police we pay to protect us, a world where acts of genocide are going on THIS VERY SECOND, AlterNet presents us with THIS article. She researches the circumstances that led up to her being frightened, but never once does she stop to consider all the lives that have been unbearably impacted by violence.
I'm sorry to be all negative, but this article is offensively privileged. The 12yo girl who was beaten and arrested for prostitution on her front lawn by plainclothes police officers? That's a reason to get up in arms. That's a reason to sue. That's grounds for PTSD. That's real injustice. That is a violent act. Not this.
You are so incredibly lucky if this is what amounts to a brush with violence in your life. And rather than being thankful for that fact or trying to put a stop to the real violence that's going on at the hands of police and military forces in this country and the world at large, or even just using this example as a personal story to lead into a more deep commentary to make all of us more aware of the REAL VIOLENCE that goes on, it's all about the author and her harrowing and uncivilized experience.
While she was writing this article, while we were reading it, while we wrote comments, your government and governments around the world KILLED PEOPLE. They put hoods over their faces and beat them with sticks, they intimidated people just as you were intimidated, sure, but they did it with the weight of law, and worse, they ACTED on that intimidation. While we sat here smugly complaining about an easily startled security guard your government TORTURED PEOPLE. Governments and other organized groups of armed individuals around the world systematically raped dozens, hundreds of women. They burnt down entire villages and killed all those who were not lucky enough to escape. Our own government is targeting free speech activists and locking them in prison. Our own government is building concentration camps and making lists of free-thinkers to systematically arrest in the event of economic or political turmoil. The list of recent injustices, violent acts, and threats to freedom in the world is so long and so weighty that the oxford dictionary would seem terse by comparison!
I have had guns pointed at me by men a hell of a lot more likely to pull the trigger than a lowly security guard. I have also lost my footing over a long fall and only narrowly escaped death or serious injury. And you know what? Losing my footing was not less scary. Seriously. You might as well write an article about the time you didn't look both ways crossing the street and were nearly run over by a bus. Oh the injustice! We let these drivers run around with their 10,000 lb death machines and it takes all of a six week course to get the license!
There are better uses of your time.
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Posted by: morgan1 on Dec 31, 2008 7:20 PM
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Dec 31, 2008 10:29 PM
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I can't drive 20 blocks from my house without passing one or more policemen doing just absolutely nothing. To see four or five police cars at a restaurant is nothing extraordinary. Now lets get to it. Did you ask for all of these policemen? I didn't. Did Albertson ask for them? Did Exxon-Mobil? Did big money and big power ask for them? Who did?
Is the purpose of big police to keep us from re-creating the generation of the 60's? Is it to keep us cowed and afraid of "them"? Over the last 8 years any time any one tried a public demonstration, what happened to the "right to peaceably assemble"?
The purpose of heavy duty policing is to intimidate. They want us obedient. They have not changed since Rockefeller hired the Pinkertons to break the Ludlow mine strike. They just use different tactics.
Its about their money. Its about their power. Is there going to come a time when we are going to stand upon our own hind legs or are we just going to keep crawling?
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Posted by: JJohnson on Jan 1, 2009 3:17 PM
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It's a wonderful notion, and not surprising that she's part of the entertainment industry. I imaine she'd find it ironic that next to her article on Alternet was a large advertisement for "Front Sight" - a firearms training company...
The silly rhetoric, overly-focused on the presence of an arbitrary inanimate object (literally, a phobia) does not help her cause.
Her chief complaint seems to be that everyone else in the world didn't stop what they were doing to make-way for the entertainment-industry celebrity: her exhalted obliviousness.
The event she describes could otherwise be titled "Fool Meets Fool", for anyone over the age of 10 or so has the sense to associate armored cars with armed men - and, having a normal instinct of self-preservation - to AVOID such things as one would an open manhole - rather than bumbling obliviously onward.
She seeks to blame others for her daydreams.
The fool in the Brinks uniform is neither unusual nor special in his ineptitude. His job is "in fact" NOT statistically dangerous - and "numerous" Brinks gaurds have not "in fact" been killed in the line of duty - unless one counts all the way back to start of the company, taking things way out of context.
It's a stupid, banal job - often employing such fools, and there's not much one can do about it.
Ms Milazzo paints an overly-dramatic, over-sexed picture worthy of a BAD television pilot (surprise from a hollywood writer).
I have no doubt that for someone so sheltered and pathetically oblivious to her surroundings - and so utterly heretofore passive with regard to her own welfare - even the over-dramatized version of events must have been quite frightening.
How sad that her response, rather than becoming educated about the nature of security, firearms, the world, or her own awareness - she kicks and crys and complains - all toward naught - ZERO practical "solution" for better facilitating her exhalted obliviousness to shop in the unbursted dream of utter safety.
Wake up.
The world is a violent place - always has been. Look both ways before you cross the road, don't you? WATCH for police cars - or other signs that armed men may be doing their jobs.
And, shut up about interfering with the inalienable rights of those who care enough about their children to have functioning emergency equipment available to save lives. They life they save may be your own, grass-eating though it may be.
And, DO NOT get me started on the "entertainment" that Hollywood writers are getting rich from - as they contribute to the society of violence that further necessitates the hardware of which that writer has a phobia.
Sheesh!
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Posted by: slaird46 on Jan 1, 2009 3:39 PM
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I'd never thought about this issue until Menard's (a midwest based version of Lowes or Home Depot) opened its first store in my town.
They had two armed guards in the store and another on the exit gate from their lumber yard. I didn't think a whole lot about it until I purchased some stuff that I had to drive into the lumber yard to load into my back seat.
When I got to the gate to exit, the guard stepped out of his booth, checked my receipt and looked at the merchandise in the back seat. Fine so far. Then, he asked me to open my trunk. I refused, and the sob put his hand on the butt of his gun! I told him that if he removed the gun from the holster I was going to call 911 (cellphone in hand).
He backed down on the gun, but he refused to open the gate until I opened the trunk, and I refused to open the trunk. We sat there for about 10 minutes with cars and trucks lined up behind me honking their horns.
Eventually a manager came out, and I explained Illinois law to him. The gate was opened (but not the trunk) and I drove to the front of the store, parked, and went inside where I explained to the general manager that I would never shop there again and why. And I've never been back, although I've been told by others that the armed guards are all gone now.
Since then, when I see an armed guard in a store, I find the manager, explain that I don't do business with companies that believe their money is more important than my life, and leave.
Call me a crank, but the odds on there being random flying bullets in a place where there's already an armed guard is one hell of a lot greater than when there isn't and it's not a risk I care to take for myself or my family.
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Posted by: dkm on Jan 1, 2009 8:38 PM
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That this jerk felt the need to threaten someone obviously not a threat speaks more for his lack of masculinity and humanity than it does anything else. When juvenile jerks like that get into positions where they can threaten the lives of decent people, then our society is on a steep downhill slope. And that there are people who defend this behavior is even more evidence for the US being in that famous handbasket.
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Posted by: cstalberg on Jan 3, 2009 4:25 AM
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A Bush administration appointed federal judge recently forced the city of San Diego to allow a shell company created by Blackwater to open a training facility inside the city limits, within a mile of the Mexican border. The Bush administration has hinted at militarizing our border with Mexico and Blackwater is positioning itself for future federal contracts to provide border security. Blackwater also has a facility in Idaho near the Canadian border.
Blackwater is associated with tax evasion, gun running, weapons stockpiling, recruiting death squad paramilitary personnel from Latin America and defrauding US taxpayers. Blackwater operates without oversight, transparency or accountability.
Blackwater is a menace, a threat to democracy and scourge upon civil society. Private armies and mercenaries are dangerous. Why someday they could even bite (rather kill) the hand that feeds them! To learn more visit Blackwater Watch at http://blackwaterwatch.net
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Posted by: anok on Jan 3, 2009 3:49 PM
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The guard's job is to ensure the safety of the cargo, themselves, AND the other people around them. That means knowing how to handle a weapon.
I seriously doubt this guard was military, because anyone who has been trained in the military knows that you do not, under any circumstances raise a loaded (or unloaded) gun unless your intent is to shoot. You point the gun down to the floor, at all times until you are ready to discharge said weapon. This is basic military and police training protocol.
It is also basic gun safety and licensing protocol. You can't get a license to carry (at least in my state) without knowing these basic safety measures and legalities.
If your gun is unholstered in a public space, and out in the open you are *required* to pay attention to where your gun is pointed, and your immediate surroundings - considering he walked into you, or allowed you to walk into him, he was obviously not paying attention.
This kind of negligence, and apparent run around with regards to your legitimate complaint to the company are why people like me worry about the privatization of security and military services.
Add to that, vigilante employees like those at Walmart who caused an older man's death when they tackled him to the ground for suspected shoplifting (later to be realized that he was totally innocent, after he was dead) and what you have are hyper violent, hyper aware, and uber vigilante styled security, all in the name of protecting a greasy buck.
News flash folks, those trucks and the cargo and the items in stores are covered by insurance so long as an effort has been made to protect the items from theft or damage to the best of the company's ability. There is no need to draw loaded weapons during routine transports, and furthermore, the irresponsibility displayed by a guard like the one in this article would have guaranteed his death or the death of others if an actual armed robbery had taken place.
For the safety of customers and co-workers, this guy should lose his job.
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RAND's Invisible Wounds of War study: Since October 2001, approximately 1.6 million U.S. troops have been deployed for Operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom in Afghanistan and Iraq. Early evidence suggests that many returning service members may be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and depression. Traumatic brain injury is also a major concern. But there is limited evidence about the scope of the problem or the most effective treatments.
They deserve our help; they've earned it but they're having to launch a class-action lawsuit to get it.
Another aspect of this case is the general militarization of our society; Paul Richmond's documentary Urban Warrior shows the increasing use of force in place of policing. Perhaps a militarization of private security firms is just the "logical" extension.
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Posted by: rickiey on Jan 7, 2009 5:44 AM
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Like, you can totally tell on the security footage that she was actually upset...
I mean, c'mon......bottom line, you were scared by a security guard for about a minute. Where's the damage? Who was hurt? What was broken?
in short:
WHERE IS THE HARM?
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Posted by: melloe on Dec 31, 2008 4:17 AM
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The mode is set. It will take a while to recover, if ever, and with the economic crisis, may get worse.
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Dec 31, 2008 6:08 AM
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If you were going to rob an armored car, the first thing you would do is to create a distraction. The easiest way to do this is to use an "innocent looking woman" who just happens to bump into the guard. I would have reacted the same way.
The writer here is a bit clueless. If I saw a Brinks truck I would have taken care to avoid the guards. Robberies are always a threat, and they can happen anywhere.
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Posted by: 2dogarage on Dec 31, 2008 7:23 AM
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It's L.A., for crying out loud.
And what if you had accidentally run into someone with a loaded gun who was in the process of robbing the place instead of guarding the transport of very large sums of cash legitimately? You may have been shot and even killed.
I wish no one in the world ever had to fear the near occasion of violence under any circumstances but I wonder at the complacent mindset of Americans who have compartmentalized the daily routine of violence in other countries but who are self-righteously horrified when it comes home to our own soil.
I'm sure Albertsons in L.A. has the same electric doors that are ubiquitous across the nation, that open when you step up to the entrance. If you nearly collided with someone with a loaded and brandished gun at one of these intersections I can only suppose you may have been caught in some writer's reverie that disabled your personal responsibility to look where you were going.
Personally I find your outrage laughable. Try walking into a store in Watts with your defenses similarly down.
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Posted by: Naoma on Dec 31, 2008 7:33 AM
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in Phoenix. It was crowded on the platform
because the rides were FREE. I was somewhat
frightened by the presence of four men wearing
vests that said "homeland security" and carrying guns. What were they expecting?
I left shortly thereafter and did not get the
free ride. That many men with guns was rather
scary.
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Posted by: jleman on Dec 31, 2008 7:38 AM
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If one is unfortunate enough to become a footsoldier for the corporations through trying to serve one's country, are they less culpable than the corporation? Does their ignorance give them a shield to be used as, "I was just doing my job" Nuremberg plea when turned back towards society and given another weapon to "guard" property?
And these fabricated "wars" creating all of these "footsoldiers"??? Who has benefited from these wars? Certainly not the footsoldiers. Did they get unbid contracts for their "service"? Have they gotten a cut or guaranteed million dollar retirement like Cheney for a few years "service"? Or, do they end up having to work as a security guard? At least Cheney has proven he could be drunk and shoot a friend in the face and get away with it. Would one want a "Cheney" to be a security guard? Actually, hasn't Cheney proven that he is the ultimate corporate security guard?
Expect more of the same.
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Posted by: somegirl on Dec 31, 2008 8:08 AM
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don't they always say, don't point a gun unless you're planning on using it?
i do wonder though too...sorry...how did the author walk into this guard that way? doesn't make sense, but it doesn't really mitigate the fact that the guard shouldn't have had the gun drawn.
and it does freak me out a bit, and has for years, the thought of all these ptsd soldiers returning home, having little to no support, and getting jobs like this.
there has been a concerted effort during the bush years to inure us to this kind of thing...get ready for the police state.
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 31, 2008 11:11 AM
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I had lots of fun reading the silly commentary too... best shit Alternet's had in days. Things must be gettin' slow.
Well, off to Trader Joe's to get some milk with my bottle return money... I'll be sure to go well armed, brandishing my weaponry and hypervigilant since that's the new standard of care apparently. That way while in my writer's reverie and I run over a Brink's guard we can be certain to ensure mutual destruction and mass carnage just so no one will be confused later.
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Posted by: Rochelle_Weber on Dec 31, 2008 11:13 AM
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Also, having lived with a veteran who suffered from PTSD, I agree that giving guns to returning vets without some major screening processes is utterly ridiculous. If this guard was so worried about his own safety, why wasn't he watching where he was going and where his gun was pointed.
As for the person who said you should have avoided the guards--they were not near their truck. As you entered the store, you likely did not have reason to expect them to be coming out with guns drawn. As far as you knew, they could have been in the back of the store or wherever the safe is kept.
Oh, and speaking of PTSD--you probably now suffer from it, too. If you're suing them, I fervently hope you win. And I certainly hope they've fired that guard.
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Posted by: Uriahz on Dec 31, 2008 1:56 PM
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Seriously, how sheltered and privileged are you people?
The guard overreacted while doing a dangerous job. Having a legitimate fear for his safety, he unholstered his gun. In these heightened circumstances, he pointed it at the person who had invaded his space. Him not being aware of her until the last moment only increases the adrenaline and fear involved on his part.
This guy is not a street thug pulling this move. He's a professional armed guard. He might not be well trained, but he's just trying to do his job without getting himself killed. He is, as the author points out, rightly afraid for his life. He overreacted by pointing the gun at her, but quite frankly just the act of him acting all military towards her while holding a gun would have been just as scary for her.
In a world where there are a million grave injustices in the world, acts of REAL VIOLENCE against innocent people not just by evil criminals but by the police we pay to protect us, a world where acts of genocide are going on THIS VERY SECOND, AlterNet presents us with THIS article. She researches the circumstances that led up to her being frightened, but never once does she stop to consider all the lives that have been unbearably impacted by violence.
I'm sorry to be all negative, but this article is offensively privileged. The 12yo girl who was beaten and arrested for prostitution on her front lawn by plainclothes police officers? That's a reason to get up in arms. That's a reason to sue. That's grounds for PTSD. That's real injustice. That is a violent act. Not this.
You are so incredibly lucky if this is what amounts to a brush with violence in your life. And rather than being thankful for that fact or trying to put a stop to the real violence that's going on at the hands of police and military forces in this country and the world at large, or even just using this example as a personal story to lead into a more deep commentary to make all of us more aware of the REAL VIOLENCE that goes on, it's all about the author and her harrowing and uncivilized experience.
While she was writing this article, while we were reading it, while we wrote comments, your government and governments around the world KILLED PEOPLE. They put hoods over their faces and beat them with sticks, they intimidated people just as you were intimidated, sure, but they did it with the weight of law, and worse, they ACTED on that intimidation. While we sat here smugly complaining about an easily startled security guard your government TORTURED PEOPLE. Governments and other organized groups of armed individuals around the world systematically raped dozens, hundreds of women. They burnt down entire villages and killed all those who were not lucky enough to escape. Our own government is targeting free speech activists and locking them in prison. Our own government is building concentration camps and making lists of free-thinkers to systematically arrest in the event of economic or political turmoil. The list of recent injustices, violent acts, and threats to freedom in the world is so long and so weighty that the oxford dictionary would seem terse by comparison!
I have had guns pointed at me by men a hell of a lot more likely to pull the trigger than a lowly security guard. I have also lost my footing over a long fall and only narrowly escaped death or serious injury. And you know what? Losing my footing was not less scary. Seriously. You might as well write an article about the time you didn't look both ways crossing the street and were nearly run over by a bus. Oh the injustice! We let these drivers run around with their 10,000 lb death machines and it takes all of a six week course to get the license!
There are better uses of your time.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Dec 31, 2008 10:29 PM
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I can't drive 20 blocks from my house without passing one or more policemen doing just absolutely nothing. To see four or five police cars at a restaurant is nothing extraordinary. Now lets get to it. Did you ask for all of these policemen? I didn't. Did Albertson ask for them? Did Exxon-Mobil? Did big money and big power ask for them? Who did?
Is the purpose of big police to keep us from re-creating the generation of the 60's? Is it to keep us cowed and afraid of "them"? Over the last 8 years any time any one tried a public demonstration, what happened to the "right to peaceably assemble"?
The purpose of heavy duty policing is to intimidate. They want us obedient. They have not changed since Rockefeller hired the Pinkertons to break the Ludlow mine strike. They just use different tactics.
Its about their money. Its about their power. Is there going to come a time when we are going to stand upon our own hind legs or are we just going to keep crawling?
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Posted by: JJohnson on Jan 1, 2009 3:17 PM
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It's a wonderful notion, and not surprising that she's part of the entertainment industry. I imaine she'd find it ironic that next to her article on Alternet was a large advertisement for "Front Sight" - a firearms training company...
The silly rhetoric, overly-focused on the presence of an arbitrary inanimate object (literally, a phobia) does not help her cause.
Her chief complaint seems to be that everyone else in the world didn't stop what they were doing to make-way for the entertainment-industry celebrity: her exhalted obliviousness.
The event she describes could otherwise be titled "Fool Meets Fool", for anyone over the age of 10 or so has the sense to associate armored cars with armed men - and, having a normal instinct of self-preservation - to AVOID such things as one would an open manhole - rather than bumbling obliviously onward.
She seeks to blame others for her daydreams.
The fool in the Brinks uniform is neither unusual nor special in his ineptitude. His job is "in fact" NOT statistically dangerous - and "numerous" Brinks gaurds have not "in fact" been killed in the line of duty - unless one counts all the way back to start of the company, taking things way out of context.
It's a stupid, banal job - often employing such fools, and there's not much one can do about it.
Ms Milazzo paints an overly-dramatic, over-sexed picture worthy of a BAD television pilot (surprise from a hollywood writer).
I have no doubt that for someone so sheltered and pathetically oblivious to her surroundings - and so utterly heretofore passive with regard to her own welfare - even the over-dramatized version of events must have been quite frightening.
How sad that her response, rather than becoming educated about the nature of security, firearms, the world, or her own awareness - she kicks and crys and complains - all toward naught - ZERO practical "solution" for better facilitating her exhalted obliviousness to shop in the unbursted dream of utter safety.
Wake up.
The world is a violent place - always has been. Look both ways before you cross the road, don't you? WATCH for police cars - or other signs that armed men may be doing their jobs.
And, shut up about interfering with the inalienable rights of those who care enough about their children to have functioning emergency equipment available to save lives. They life they save may be your own, grass-eating though it may be.
And, DO NOT get me started on the "entertainment" that Hollywood writers are getting rich from - as they contribute to the society of violence that further necessitates the hardware of which that writer has a phobia.
Sheesh!
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Posted by: slaird46 on Jan 1, 2009 3:39 PM
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I'd never thought about this issue until Menard's (a midwest based version of Lowes or Home Depot) opened its first store in my town.
They had two armed guards in the store and another on the exit gate from their lumber yard. I didn't think a whole lot about it until I purchased some stuff that I had to drive into the lumber yard to load into my back seat.
When I got to the gate to exit, the guard stepped out of his booth, checked my receipt and looked at the merchandise in the back seat. Fine so far. Then, he asked me to open my trunk. I refused, and the sob put his hand on the butt of his gun! I told him that if he removed the gun from the holster I was going to call 911 (cellphone in hand).
He backed down on the gun, but he refused to open the gate until I opened the trunk, and I refused to open the trunk. We sat there for about 10 minutes with cars and trucks lined up behind me honking their horns.
Eventually a manager came out, and I explained Illinois law to him. The gate was opened (but not the trunk) and I drove to the front of the store, parked, and went inside where I explained to the general manager that I would never shop there again and why. And I've never been back, although I've been told by others that the armed guards are all gone now.
Since then, when I see an armed guard in a store, I find the manager, explain that I don't do business with companies that believe their money is more important than my life, and leave.
Call me a crank, but the odds on there being random flying bullets in a place where there's already an armed guard is one hell of a lot greater than when there isn't and it's not a risk I care to take for myself or my family.
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Posted by: dealmeinfo2 on Jan 1, 2009 5:50 PM
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Posted by: dkm on Jan 1, 2009 8:38 PM
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That this jerk felt the need to threaten someone obviously not a threat speaks more for his lack of masculinity and humanity than it does anything else. When juvenile jerks like that get into positions where they can threaten the lives of decent people, then our society is on a steep downhill slope. And that there are people who defend this behavior is even more evidence for the US being in that famous handbasket.
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Posted by: cstalberg on Jan 3, 2009 4:25 AM
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A Bush administration appointed federal judge recently forced the city of San Diego to allow a shell company created by Blackwater to open a training facility inside the city limits, within a mile of the Mexican border. The Bush administration has hinted at militarizing our border with Mexico and Blackwater is positioning itself for future federal contracts to provide border security. Blackwater also has a facility in Idaho near the Canadian border.
Blackwater is associated with tax evasion, gun running, weapons stockpiling, recruiting death squad paramilitary personnel from Latin America and defrauding US taxpayers. Blackwater operates without oversight, transparency or accountability.
Blackwater is a menace, a threat to democracy and scourge upon civil society. Private armies and mercenaries are dangerous. Why someday they could even bite (rather kill) the hand that feeds them! To learn more visit Blackwater Watch at http://blackwaterwatch.net
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Posted by: anok on Jan 3, 2009 3:49 PM
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The guard's job is to ensure the safety of the cargo, themselves, AND the other people around them. That means knowing how to handle a weapon.
I seriously doubt this guard was military, because anyone who has been trained in the military knows that you do not, under any circumstances raise a loaded (or unloaded) gun unless your intent is to shoot. You point the gun down to the floor, at all times until you are ready to discharge said weapon. This is basic military and police training protocol.
It is also basic gun safety and licensing protocol. You can't get a license to carry (at least in my state) without knowing these basic safety measures and legalities.
If your gun is unholstered in a public space, and out in the open you are *required* to pay attention to where your gun is pointed, and your immediate surroundings - considering he walked into you, or allowed you to walk into him, he was obviously not paying attention.
This kind of negligence, and apparent run around with regards to your legitimate complaint to the company are why people like me worry about the privatization of security and military services.
Add to that, vigilante employees like those at Walmart who caused an older man's death when they tackled him to the ground for suspected shoplifting (later to be realized that he was totally innocent, after he was dead) and what you have are hyper violent, hyper aware, and uber vigilante styled security, all in the name of protecting a greasy buck.
News flash folks, those trucks and the cargo and the items in stores are covered by insurance so long as an effort has been made to protect the items from theft or damage to the best of the company's ability. There is no need to draw loaded weapons during routine transports, and furthermore, the irresponsibility displayed by a guard like the one in this article would have guaranteed his death or the death of others if an actual armed robbery had taken place.
For the safety of customers and co-workers, this guy should lose his job.
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Posted by: xmvince on Jan 3, 2009 4:44 PM
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Posted by: rewinn on Jan 4, 2009 12:14 AM
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RAND's Invisible Wounds of War study: Since October 2001, approximately 1.6 million U.S. troops have been deployed for Operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom in Afghanistan and Iraq. Early evidence suggests that many returning service members may be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and depression. Traumatic brain injury is also a major concern. But there is limited evidence about the scope of the problem or the most effective treatments.
They deserve our help; they've earned it but they're having to launch a class-action lawsuit to get it.
Another aspect of this case is the general militarization of our society; Paul Richmond's documentary Urban Warrior shows the increasing use of force in place of policing. Perhaps a militarization of private security firms is just the "logical" extension.
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Posted by: darter22 on Jan 4, 2009 1:02 AM
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Posted by: kiwibill44 on Jan 5, 2009 12:30 PM
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Posted by: rickiey on Jan 7, 2009 5:44 AM
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Like, you can totally tell on the security footage that she was actually upset...
I mean, c'mon......bottom line, you were scared by a security guard for about a minute. Where's the damage? Who was hurt? What was broken?
in short:
WHERE IS THE HARM?
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