Cheney's Shocking Admissions on How Close He Came to Nearly Destroying the Country

It all depends. If the USA is metaphorized as: Household with Family, or Hive with Bees. Cognizing these things in the language of our cognitivists: if we encircle or frame these things in this manner, there are certain postures, attitudes and orientations that would have absolutely no problem lavishing the most adulatory and celebratory praise upon said "Mr." Dick Cheney.

I'll venture a risk-full and whole JUMP right in to the language of "GENDER". NOT Sex, be forewarned, NOT Sex!

The Woman would be 100% behind this particular Dick, whose own reasonings, justifications and theories of rule are also those of the Woman. Only the Woman would proceed to plan, execute and implement this manner of rule -- foreign and domestic.

The Woman has no scruples, no religion, no faith, no ethics, no principles which would, in themselves, be of any use when, whether by perception or by real circumstance, 'she' feels herself and her young under any kind of 'threat' -- real, imagined, or constructed. The Woman is ruled by an External person, place or thing. The Woman never rules herself.

And when Yoni gets a Lingam? WATCH OUT!!

I am not sure Obama's administration will be able to altogether harmonize the Woman and the Man. There's still a good chance that the Woman's not quite done, she's still terrorized and scared, and she'll still act as she always does: irrationally, viciously and savagely.

The Man, in these things, is still under construction and not altogether well understood. I'm not so sure these current Men will make things too much better.

But the Women, the Queens and the Bees would have no problem understanding, supporting and hurraying, this out-going VICE President's theories and justifications of rule.

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rescinding recissitation for cheney if and when of a "heart" attack?

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For anyone in America to claim that they weren't fully aware of what Cheney was doing in real time, every step of the way is just as much 100% USDA Prime Bullshit as what Cheney is spouting.

For eight interminable years Dick Cheney has breathed free and openly, unashamedly, repeatedly violated our laws and constitution.

And every day that we let him continue to breathe, to remain free and to act we all signed off on it.


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Cheney's logic is like a group of Drug dealers coming to the concensus that dealing is legal because so amny Americans Want Drugs.
Actually, theDrug dealers would have a more compelling argument.
Cheney's Crimes span 4 decades, start with Nixon and work your way forward..along with Rummy & Wolfie.
Conspiracy to committ Treason, Crimes against Humanity (blood for Oil) and War Crimes.
Hilter was a mass Murderer...Cheney et al are Serial murderers. Of course finding out exactly who gave the orders to send biological agents over to Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war, which was later used In the Kurdish genocide could qualify DICK as a Mass Murderer Too.

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It is odd that Alternet posts this article, in which it clearly says that the reason Cheyney/Bush were granted the right to undo the Constitution is because the American people demanded that they do so after 9/11. 9/11 is the key. It allowed a monster like Cheyney to defraud us and take away our rights.......and as this article says, it could be forever. Alternet, Amy Goodman, Counterpunch, MotherJones, the Nation, antiwar.com, and the rest are all part of the media machine, along with mainstream media, that is allowing the deconstruction of what America has always stood for, because they will not engage in the investigation of the most important event in America's history.
Worst of all, they won't tell us why. This is more insidious and fraudulent than whatever Fox or The Washington Times has ever done in censoring the news, because these alternative sites are our last and only hope.
The world understands 9/11 to be covered up and an inside job. But our own media, even those which claim independence from the darkest power structure, are too scared tell us about 9/11, or even tell us why they avoid it.
In the course of time, I hope these sites will all be considered by historians part of the conspiracy to ensure that the freedoms Americans thought were secure were abolished.

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"Beyond his legal arguments, Cheney noted that after 9/11, this new paradigm of presidential power was favored by most Americans and embraced by many members of Congress, at least in private."

Most Americans?!?!!!!

If this statement is even true, how do we know what he represented to the members of congress? I am sure he "cherry picked" what he wanted to show them, convincing them that his way was the only way.
Cheney is one of the "antichrists" that his reichwing neocons so fervently believe in. The only way that he would gather together members of congress, would be to convince them that what he was doing was right, he either out and out lied to them, "cherry picked" the information, or somehow threatened them that they better go along with what he and Bush wanted or else.
I hope and pray that P.E. Obama investigates and prosecutes these war criminals to the fullest extent of the law. Why are the Democrats so afraid of bringing them up on charges? It would surely restore many peoples faith in goverment, here and around the world. If they just let it go, they will be just as complicit in these crimes.
If Bush as Govenor of Texas couldn't blink an eye when it came to executing all those people, and with the little amount of information we have so far as to abusing the Constitution, war crimes, stealing votes, etc, I cannot imagine that with a full investigation, we will be just at the tip of the iceberg.
The Bush administration is the very worst that ever came upon America. At least with a declared facist or dictator, you know what you are up against. These last 8 years have made me truly ashamed of being an American.
Lets hope that Obama does the right thing.

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You've got to hand it to Dick Cheney, there'll never be another VP like him. It's Christmas Eve so I want to avoid calamny (Lord knows, I sling enough of it every other day of the year). But think about it: will it ever get this weird again?

One would hope that the man finally pays his debt to the society he so miserably failed. Chances are that's never gonna happen given the state of his health. But of this you may be absolutely certain: Bush will. Count on it.

A Long Ago Christmas Moon

Tom Degan

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And still our do-nothing to anger republicans Congress sits idly by. I guess we now know why Pelosi tabled impeachment. She knows that she could & should be impeached & removed from office too.

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for allowing the Bush-Cheney team to steal the election of 2000, and really really blame the American People for re-electing them in 2004 (election fraud notwithstanding).

American democracy does not work for everyone any more than "capitalism" works for everyone.

The ruling elite have fooled most of the people most of the time.

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Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini and a host of lesser known fascists and dictators are smiling at Cheney from whatever special hell they are in now.

Cheney, with the help of a spineless congress and the corporate controlled media have destroyed this country. What they have done is like ricin poisoning, the symptoms do not set in immediately, but it will kill the victim and there is no cure.

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BROKEN GOVERNMENT
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THE WARNING
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"The country is headed toward a single and splendid government of an aristocracy founded on banking institutions and monied corporations, and if this tendency continues it will be the end of freedom and democracy, the few will be ruling and riding over the plundered plowman and the beggar" - Thomas Jefferson

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....before the wheels fall off!

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Cheney claims he was justified in all he did because the people supported him. Setting that logic aside, let me say that one of my most profound disappointments about the Bush era was precisely that support.

People who I thought had more sense were outspoken in their support for Bush, for Cheney and for WAR. Granted, it was not everybody, but to me it seemed an overwhelming majority and I was disappointed in myself for not speaking more forcefully against what seemed to me to be hysteria that the administration was intentionally orchestrating. It still seems to me to have been hysteria.

There is considerable blame to be cast around. Certainly Bush and his Neoconservative click deserve a big part of the blame and the Congress that gave them a blank check should shoulder much of the blame. The media gets a big slice too, but even so there remains much too big a piece that belongs to a public that had forgotten to be skeptical about their politicians and media.

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As The "Great" American Empire declines, its 350 million citizens will have great cause for regret that they decided they were undisputed kings of the world at one time.

The "other 6 200 million" citizens of the world will not forget. Your children will pay for your Roman Empire, Hollywood-fuelled, Muhammed Ali-fuelled, Radio talk show-fuelled delusions.

How stupid of the "most advanced western state" not to realise that it's precisely when you're on top that you need to exercise the most discretion and humanity!

"No. 3 - Never!"?
Remember how you LAUGHED when Toyota first started making automobiles? Where's Chevrolet today? Think hard (difficult, I know) and remember you DID once think GM and GE and Texaco and IBM and Microsoft and the NYSE were "invincible". Phhhht - wheels turn.

Here's hoping you will spend time and effort now on becoming what you once thought you were.
Or spend it on your military, and watch it get defeated (horrors!) AGAIN (what?!?). Even Hollywood and Washington DC will eventually have to tell the truth.

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Where have you been?

You mean just because the depression, matrial law and the AMERO were not implemented WHILE Bush & Cheney were in office THEY AREN'T RESPONSIBLE?!

The title needs a re-think

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How idiotic has the electorate become that they have to listen to a "shocking" speech? Do you people really think Cheney would be saying any of this if Mccain instead of Obama were elected? Hell no. Besides, Cheney knows that Congress will sit there like a battered spouse and allow the monied elites to destroy this country.

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This 'war on terror' bullshit, ( How do you declare war on an noun.? ) is just an excuse for the rich to get richer. The naive and very paranoid American public, will buy anything, these bullshit artists throw at them.
And how convenient to have 911 happen when it did. Bush and co. couldn't have planned it any better.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this, as our biggest product is bullshit. Hell we even have enough of it to export, to other countries.

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Few Americans realize that the Bill of Rights was never part of the original (even amended) Constitution. In fact such rights as specified in The Bill of Rights were adamantly Oppossed-as was any such addition like TBOR itself by the majority of this country's early leaders.

How did it come about? It is the direct result of a grass-roots rebellion led by a New England farmer--who's name escapes me now--who got fed up with what he and all his poor and beleagured countrymen saw as abuses of what They were led to believe this country stood for and the reasons They, the people, agreed to fight for independence. These farmers and other poor common people banded together, and wih whatever impliments they had that could be used as weapons, simultaneously attacked and surrounded every courthouse in the state of Mass, thus holding hostage all the law makers and enforcers of the time. They threatened to cntinue such actions and overthrown the newly established govenments-including the Federal gov-unless certain conditions were met.

The 'Founding Fathers' then felt they had no choice but to adopt the demands of this group representative, not of the elite white property owners for whom the revolution was Actually fought, but for the 'common person' as well.

We Must have another such rebellion and demand that the government be given back to the people and full rights restored for all. The Revolutionary War was fought over matters that are Trivial compared to how the Bush-Cheney cabal and spineless congress have made the Bill of Rights presently null and void. All the precedents have been set--the rights and liberties just havent yet been taken from most people. They will be if We do not Take Them Back.

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One of the failures of our system of government and society is that a person like Cheney can get into such a position of power. He is a small mind, a closed mind, and all in all the type of guy who should maybe the mayor of a small town in Wyoming and not dictating national policies in this country. I hate to burden the masses in this time of extreme economic stress and uncertainty but if we/you don't get better informed and involved people like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush etc., will continue to wreak havoc and ruin what makes us great.

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Please remember that one of the basic Neocon tricks is, well, shall we say unique interpretations of events, or, as some of us here in the reality based world might call it, lying through their teeth, the more brazen and bald-faced the better. I'm calling bullshit on his claim that Pelosi and the other Dem leaders joyfully went along with these briefings. Anyone here really think the Bushies asked for feedback? I don't see it happening.

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Cheney was the real Prez & Bush was the dummy
Both made untold amounts of money screwing over the Americian public & will continue till they die with their Retirement Checks.

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...in his recent NYT screed he begins with the Republican mantra, 'you gotta love dick', and so they do love dick, anytime, anywhere, and they don't even seem to mind that there's no foreplay at all, just BIG DICK inserting himself into any orifice (er, I mean 'office') he wants, including the President's!!! :)

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I have a paradigm for Cheney too, "War is a failed paradigm".

Wars create the conditions for the next war.

Wars use the logic of the ends justify the means.

This is taking the gloves of civilization off in order to protect civilization or becoming Saddam Hussein to defeat Saddam Hussien. Of course just how bad he was we don't really know because there has been so much disinformation.

Perhaps he even had just cause to invade Kuwait, they may have been diagonally drilling under Iraq's border, which is more cause than we had making an unprovoked attack.

Cheney is a product of the cold war shadow government to the extent that he has no democratic view at all. He probably believes he has been appointed to look after the US whether in office or not. The cold war was a perpetual war too but we didn't let Nixon use secret programs for political purposes.

Secret program can mean alot more than reading e-mails, they can mean anything anyone wants them to mean with no orversight or accountability. A CIA police state here at home basically except there is also military intelligence and the FBI and with the gloves off just about anyone with police authority.

The comment is good about women though, we all are subject deep instincts, male dominance is one but female protection of children is definitely another one. Been governed by such instincts however without understanding them could well lead us to cause our own extinction.

The logic of war is one of rape and pillage.

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What a great article! I read it out of a sense of duty, not expecting to encounter anything new, but was totally impressed. This is the perfect piece to forward to friends who hate Bush but think you're being alarmist when you start foaming at the mouth about the damage done to the Constitution.

For example: Though Cheney cited constitutional precedents from the Civil War and World War II to justify his position, what has made the “war on terror” such an insidious basis for asserting the broadest presidential powers is that it is amorphous both in time and space.

Unlike conventional wars that have beginnings and ends -- as well as battlefronts -- this “war” is theoretically everywhere and never-ending. That means that the principles of a Republic -- with constitutional limits on executive power and “unalienable rights” for everyone -- would not just be suspended during a short-term emergency but essentially be eliminated forever.

The whole problem in a concise and elegant nutshell!

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Good article. If only the people would finally wake up to what really happened on September 11, 2001 and who really committed the high treason and mass. There were very many people on the ground that saw, felt and heard the pre-wired demoltiion as it exploded the buildings to a heap of scrap, that could not in any way be considered as a "collapse". No Middle Eastern caveman could have been granted the access prior to the alleged airliner hijackings that indeed were not ever hijacked. It was just a coincidence that Marvn Bush was in charge of the WTC building security during the time when the WTC would have been expertly wired with explosives. As well, the supposed brainchild of the attacks(Osama bin-Laden was at that time undergoing hospitalization for his serious kidney problems, and being interviewed by our own CIA). The entire "War on Terror" is a complete scam on the People of the US and as well the People of the entire world.

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Barack is in charge now. All the problems will go away. It's the Big Rock Candy Mountain for all of us from now on.

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Great piece! Let us remember Cheney has advocated grotesquely large "defense" spending, by the US, even in the wake of the collapse of the USSR! Does one just call him a prostitute in the service of the armaments manufacturers?
Or is the problem even more serious? I think the latter.

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Never forget, the Democrats are supposed to be the opposition party but they NEVER did ANYTHING about the crimes committed by Bush and Cheney. So like a officer of the court who looks the other way when a crime in committed, the Democrats are completely useless.

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Don't breathe a big sigh of relief until we march a few years down the road and find a restored America. Whether they come up with another 9/11 before Jan. 20 '09, or they actually allow the transition to occur, they are not going to give up power easily. This administration has been one of the few, and the worst, in attempting to overthrow our constitution (keep in mind that during Hitler's reign, there was a conspiracy, which I believe Prescott Bush was a part of, to overthrow our government and install a fascist regime, and this is still a part of the Bush legacy...). This fact makes the members of the current administration singularly dangerous if any of them are within a half a continent of public office.

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." These people have convinced themselves that they already are absolutely powerful, and they have shown us, time and time again, that they are absolutely corrupt and will stop at nothing to get what they want. We are going to need to watch our backs for a very long time. The power elites in Washington, the government behind the government which is now infected by the parasites of the Bush/neocon, neonazi cabal, will remain in place, no matter who sits in the White House. Celebrate that there is now at least some hope for a new beginning; but we're not out of trouble yet.

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Cheney is just giving the finger to every reasonable decent citizen of the nation-state he's personally robbed, raped and pillaged for much of his life and more acutely so in the past 8 years.

The only decent response is jail... for life without parole, and none of that white-boy club fed bullshit neither.

Oh wait... Messiah Obama says we're supposed to be uniting the country now, not holding criminals responsible for their actions....

...doH! my barbituate lefty-ism i showin' again.... dangit.

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Bush, Cheney' Rice, Rumsfeld et all are unquestionably guilty of numerous, serious crimes. If some form of justice, preferably US federal prosecutions or, less desirably, US civil suits or foreign prosecutions, is not forthcoming the US will lose many important opportunities:
(1) There is great hope in the Muslim world that Obama will open a new chapter in our relations with them. His conniving at egregious crimes and protecting the criminals will be taken as continued hostility and will serve to recruit terrorists and reinforce hostility.
(2) Our allies are disgusted with our repudiation of the Geneva Conventions and descent into war criminality. Prosecutions would show that we take law seriously and have changed.
(3) Our ability to deter future crimes depends on consistent enforcement. An unenforced law is no law at all.
(4) Our failure to clearly and decisively renounce torture and hold torturers accountable makes American POWs and even American civilians abroad targets for retaliatory torture, abduction or murder.
(5) Respect for law depends on its impartial enforcement.
(6) If the US wants to be guardian and exemplar of human rights, and wants to regain the right to condemn atrocities and urge action against violators, it must get its own house in order and hold itself accountable. Failure to do so will give the choice of sitting in stony silence in the face of evil, or speaking out and being ridiculed and discredited as a nation of hypocrites.
(7) Failure to bring violators to justice demeans the suffering and humanity, and in cases involving death the very lives, of the victims. It says that Muslims' lives don't count for much with us. Muslims will be aware that beating a dog is considered a punishable offense while torturing one of their coreligionists to death is not. It would be hard to think of a more cogent recruiting argument for terrorist than to point out that President Obama supports the death penalty for people who kill or even rape Americans, but not for people who murder Muslims, sometimes innocent of any wrongdoing, by torturing them to death.

Pace Obama, prosecution is mandatory. It is, in fact, a vital tool in the war against terror.

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Someone who has a BIG problem with women took some DOPE and proceeded to write this semi-coherent GARBAGE that insults women!
Somebody read the Kama Sutra. So what? You can read that and NOT hate women.
WHY do you have to HATE anyone? WHY are you STEREOTYPING?
In fact, PEOPLE WHO HATE ANYONE are responsible for all of the trouble the world has now.
You don't have to LOVE someone or what they do BUT you can tolerate it UNLESS they are trying to kill someone.
This spew of VITRIOL that this person wrote about women convinces me that I have read the manifesto of a serial killer wannabe OR a person going insane!
The only thing I got out of this was PURE HATE!

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The Bush Presidency should be known as the disappearing presidency. The Iraq nuclear missiles DISAPPEARED. The CIA tapes DISAPPEARED. When the twin towers were hit Bush DISAPPEARED. When our embassy burned Bush DISAPPEARED. Since Bush took office our money has DISAPPEARED.Georgie has made most of our jobs DISAPPEAR. But what would happen if Bush really disappeared? Can you imagine 'Shotgun Cheney' with his finger on the nuclear trigger? If that were to happen everyone might just DISAPPEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This guy is nuts. We've known that for a while though, so I don't know why his interview changed anything.

Even if everything he said was true and he and Bush and their fellow loboto jobs really did have our best interests at heart, who is to say that the next "leadership" won't abuse those powers? That is the slippery slope to dictatorship. If we give them an inch, eventually the greedy people who seek power will pave a highway.

It has happened many times before, it will happen many times again, because no matter what changes in the world, humans remain the same.

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I hardly find this Vice President's rhetoric humorous or entertaining. I don't even find it elucidating in forming the basis of government where as others have said Republicans like to rule not govern. This administration has broken so many laws and made a mockery of the judicial and legislative branches of government.

http://www.bccmeteorites.com/misconduct-planetary.html

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Cheney & Rumsfeld worked for Gerry Ford. That's why they made the presidential power grab with Bush this time. that's why they invaded Iraq. They WANTED another Viet Nam just to prove they could "do it right". they wanted to do another watergate to prove they could get away with it (they did). They were wrong 35 years ago and they were wrong this time. To Cheney, the Constitution is just a quaint, out of date suggestion. They should be tried for the war criminals they are.

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