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No Justice for the African-Americans Targeted by White Vigilantes After the Katrina Flooding

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted December 20, 2008.


A.C. Thompson discusses his Nation report on the men who roamed New Orleans shooting African Americans. (With full text of Thompson's article).

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In the days after Hurricane Katrina swept through Louisiana and Mississippi, the bodies of African American men began to turn up on the streets. But these weren't the bloated corpses of drowned Gulf residents whose images were beamed around the world. Instead, their nameless bodies contained bullet holes, slain at the hands of persons unknown.

A number of these killings took place in the community of Algiers Point, a small, isolated place west of the Mississippi and a "white enclave" in a largely African American area. Situated between the Lower Ninth Ward and the rescue point for so those who were trying to flee, a band of residents there responded to accounts of post-hurricane looting by arming themselves to the teeth and going out in search of criminals, lynch-mob style.

"The existence of this little army isn't a secret," reports investigative journalist A.C. Thompson in his groundbreaking investigative article just published in The Nation, "Katrina's Hidden Race War" (read at the bottom of this interview. "In 2005, a few newspaper reporters wrote up the group's activities in glowing terms in articles that showed up on an array of pro-gun blogs; one Cox news story called it 'the ultimate neighborhood watch.' "

With so many questions unanswered about the extrajudicial killings committed by these white vigilantes, Thompson spent 18 months trying to piece together the mystery of what happened in New Orleans. With the support of the Nation Institute's Investigative Fund, he traveled to Algiers Point, where he spoke with black men who had been targeted and shot, the families of slain men, and those who had gone out and participated in these white vigilante mobs.

Many months -- and one lawsuit -- later, the result is a huge feat of investigative reporting that reveals the racist logic that drove these mobs and which centers around some basic but critical questions that have gone unanswered for years: Who killed these men? And why has there never been any accountability?

AlterNet's Rights & Liberties Editor Liliana Segura corresponded with A.C. Thompson to ask him the story behind the story.

Liliana Segura: How did you come across this story?

A.C. Thompson: Author Rebecca Solnit, a friend, encouraged me to chase the story. She'd been in New Orleans, working on an alternative history of disasters, which will be published in 2009. Rebecca kept hearing these stories about shootings on the west bank of the Mississippi, crimes attributed to a group of white vigilantes. Crime reporting isn't her specialty, so she pushed me to follow up, throwing a bunch of leads and ideas at me and prodding me, vigorously, to investigate.

From start to finish, I spent about a year-and-a-half on the project, although I didn't work on it every day. During that time, I also put hours into some other stories, including several investigative pieces about the murder of Oakland [Calif.] journalist Chauncey Bailey, who was assassinated in 2007. I made four trips to New Orleans, and spent about two months in the city. When I wasn't in New Orleans, I was working the phones, reading through documents, writing, tracking people down, trying to come up with new leads.

The lawsuit brought by me and the Nation Institute's Investigative Fund also gobbled up many months. We sued Orleans Parish Coroner Frank Minyard for the right to copy every single autopsy report tied to Hurricane Katrina. All we really wanted were the autopsies documenting shooting victims, but Minyard refused to give us those, saying he couldn't sort them out from all the other autopsies. So we wound up demanding everything, as we were allowed under Louisiana law. We won. And the coroner now owes the Investigative Fund some $10,000 in attorney fees, which he hasn't paid.

LS: It's a huge piece and it creates as many -- if not more -- questions as answers. What are some of the things that didn't make it into the article?

AT: William Tanner -- the Good Samaritan in the [story's] sidebar -- lost his car when it was torched, possibly by the police, also paid a heavy financial price. He and his wife had to pay about $300 per month on the car for three years to pay it off, even after it was ruined. They say the insurance company wouldn't cover it, a major burden for a working-class couple.

There is also at least one police-involved shooting nobody has investigated. Multiple sources told me two SWAT officers took out a suspected thief with sniper shots; these SWAT cops also talked about this in New Orleans Magazine. It may have been a justified shooting, I don't know. But my understanding is that NOPD never investigated to determine whether it was a reasonable shooting. Other than the story in New Orleans Magazine, I've seen no mention of this case anywhere. Also: I never saw an autopsy that matched this slaying, which seems suspicious.

LS: How did the people you interviewed respond to you when you went down to New Orleans?

AT: In most cases, the vigilantes were incredibly frank. I've never been around so many people talking so openly about shooting incidents. I was really shocked when Wayne Janak, who is in the story, spilled his whole story about hunting down a suspected looter, holding him at gunpoint and threatening to kill him. Whoa. That was a crazy moment.


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A tinpot band of nasty induviduals...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 20, 2008 12:30 AM   
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...that should br be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, if their idiot boasting matches the evidence.

As always, we should send those who harm others to jail.

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What was the real cause?
Posted by: FreeAmerica on Dec 20, 2008 1:47 AM   
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If these white folks were out protecting their neighborhood from the armed looters in a state of emergency, there is nothing wrong with that. If they were out on some tear to just shoot any passing minority, it is very wrong. There is a big difference.

It also sounds like the same democrats that failed so bad and caused the disaster to be so much worse are now covering their butts by stonewalling on the death list/autopsies. They have also seriously impeeded the recovery, wanting to give obama credit.

The real story is the depth of the graft and corruption in the entrenched democrat machine in that city,
and how badly they have failed the people. That machine's failures and manipulations has cost thousands of lives, mostly ethnic minorities, and pales any story of some hicks guarding their neighborhood in a time of rampant lawlessness.

If the hicks were really out just hunting minorities, I'll bring the rope to hang em with. If they were watching over their families and homes, there is nothing wrong with that.

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» RE: So, what you're saying is... Posted by: FreeAmerica
» staying at home Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: staying at home Posted by: LOVELYT.
» RE: staying at home Posted by: lively56
» RE: staying at home Posted by: MindyB
» Animal nature Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: staying at home Posted by: wildcleotis
» RE: staying at home Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: What was the real cause? Posted by: LOVELYT.
» RE: What was the real cause? Posted by: lively56
Petty tyrants like the coroner and his flunkies live everywhere.
Posted by: Plexius2 on Dec 20, 2008 2:28 AM   
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AT: Nothing there works as it should. I figured I could just make a public-records request to the coroner for the autopsy reports and in a few weeks I'd know how many people were shot to death after Katrina. Wrong. When I called the coroner asking about records, a staffer there told me the office didn't abide by the state law"

I had a similar experience in small town Indiana. Petty bureaucrats everywhere guard their fiefdoms with vigor. They love the power to say no, even in violation of state law. They feel smugly secure, as their boss will take the heat if there is a lawsuit. They can be very clever at interpreting the law, sometimes.

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Clean up
Posted by: Perry Logan on Dec 20, 2008 3:40 AM   
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There could be no better argument to repeal the Second Amendment and confiscate all firearms immediately. We will clean up the urine eventually.

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» Opposite is TRUE Posted by: corgyn
» RE: Clean up Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Clean up Posted by: buzzsaw
» Bull Posted by: EinMD
Gun Control
Posted by: sre on Dec 20, 2008 4:15 AM   
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GUN CONTROL. GUN CONTROL. We need it now. More laws will help. But don't worry, Barack's go his mojo workin', He'll save us from ourselves as any God would.

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» RE: Gun Control Posted by: YogiBear
» NO ONE IS IN DANGER FROM ME Posted by: hoorah
» Again.. bull Posted by: EinMD
protecting yourself in the getto
Posted by: MobileSucks on Dec 20, 2008 5:02 AM   
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I don't blame anybody in Algiers or anywhere in the New Orleans area for arming themselves to the teeth and ready to shoot anyone that comes onto their property in a situation like Katrina. Clearly you shouldn't just shoot people. Duh. All Im saying is that it makes sense to have weapons and to be ready. Nola is a violent, dangerous shithole.

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» bullshit Posted by: MobileSucks
» Horse manure! Posted by: harryf200
» RE: Horse manure! Posted by: MobileSucks
» RE: dog poop! Posted by: Beck
» RE: bullshit Posted by: MindyB
» RE: bullshit Posted by: MobileSucks
There are a lot of shades of gray here....
Posted by: gladmueth on Dec 20, 2008 5:07 AM   
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Unfortunately N.O. and what happened there is like a bucket of 10,000 fish hooks. There was of course looting going on, but how much was "looting" as in desperately looking for food for your family, in which case, is based on need, and how much was looting as in "I'm gonna grab as many cell phones from this shop as I can to sell later", which is basic thievery?
Then, on the other side, is the "I'm protecting my home from those thieves who want to rob me blind and perhaps do harm to my family" versus the "Damn, what a great opportunity to exercise my imagined superiority over those I deem less than me" mentality.
I imagine one would have to be there in the immediate days after Katrina to know who was expressing which kind of mentality. I am no gun supporter, but if I had one and lived in N.O. at that time and knew people were breaking into homes, yes, I'd probably have it handy. On the other side, yes, I'd loot food for my family if the need was that great. I'm certain there were race issues (our government even stooped that low), but I believe most of this behavior was based on fear, tragedy, and a horrible precedent set by a city government who "doesn't follow the law".

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The world is sick, society is sick, people are sick......
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Dec 20, 2008 5:16 AM   
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...I have lost what little faith that I had for humankind. We are not progressing as a civilization, I believe we are regressing. Despicable!

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» Get off your computer... Posted by: YogiBear
» Well said, Beck Posted by: harryf200
» RE: Get off your computer... Posted by: americansheep
Innocent until proven guilty
Posted by: Honkie the Nihilist on Dec 20, 2008 5:24 AM   
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I saw the blacks looting.

a band of residents there responded to accounts of post-hurricane looting by arming themselves to the teeth and going out in search of criminals

Wow, a group of people that are not your average American coward. Why did they not hide and what for police to save them?

Like I said up top, these people are innocent until proven guilty. If you have a specific case that does not fall under LA’s “castle doctrine” type laws, feel free to present it. Until I see it, the vanquished were looters and got what was coming to them.

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~ ~ The word ...VIGILANTE IS GOOD WORD
Posted by: Anthhh on Dec 20, 2008 5:34 AM   
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.
.
.
........DON'T USE "VIGILANTE" TO DESCRIBE AN IGNORANT !
.
.

....unless you put " quotes " around it.

THE black, and minority communities, are SO SO SO VIGILANT. Always.
HUMANITY.
And the whole world are more vigilant to the
deeds of the racists(and others of that sort).

.... I am white, and old.
.
.

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There were many more, and it was systematic
Posted by: kiel on Dec 20, 2008 5:49 AM   
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There is also at least one police-involved shooting nobody has investigated. Multiple sources told me two SWAT officers took out a suspected thief with sniper shots; these SWAT cops also talked about this in New Orleans Magazine.

"At least one"? You've got to be kidding.

An in-law of mine is a lt. deputy from a northern state, sent down to New Orleans to help keep order after Katrina. In the days of the "shoot to kill" order against looters, he tells of how how police snipers and SWAT teams would shoot people, and then how black helicopters would arrive within minutes. Guys in black fatigues would jump out, pick up the bodies, load them in the helicopters, and then disappear. He watched it happen several times. No one ever spoke about it. He guessed it was the Feds, and seemed to think it was OK. I thought it was terrifying. We will NEVER know how many people were "cleansed" from the streets of NO for just trying to find food or water.

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so much spin i'm dizzy
Posted by: corgyn on Dec 20, 2008 5:55 AM   
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OK, I QUOTE A QUESTION FROM THE ALTER-NET REPTR:
LS: One of the disturbing things about your piece is how these vigilantes placed property so high above human life.
1. use of word "vigilantes"; a very loaded word, also militia is used. These are just citizens and are closer to a neighborhood watch than the hood and robe wearing Old South lynch mob that the "V" word brings to mind.

2nd QUOTE; "You write that they considered themselves "righteous defenders of property." "
2. The LAW is most places and certainly in my perfect world says that if you come to take my PROPERTY, then I can do all things necessary to protect that PROPERTY - the thief knows the rules of the game too.

3. Never been to Louisiana before and now they are experts on the culture! Y'all damned right things are different down in the Parishes and that's a good thing. It is all a matter of viewpoint and this author and reporter are overly sympathetic to The Ninth Ward and totally unaware of the situation - I worked at a newspaper in NOLA two years, lived in Baton Rouge for a year and have visited the Quarter twice yearly since - so I have a 30-year history with the Crescent City. I know both the 9th and Algiers, I would have been more surprised to find out the the West Bank didn't "circle-up the wagons" and take care of themselves, they always have.
and 4th, this super Spinner quote;
"Do you think this warped value system is something that is an intrinsic part of our culture that Hurricane Katrina brought to the surface?"
>>>> Oh just read it, if that ain't the most loaded question of the week, I'll eat my hat.
warped value system??? Protecting yourself is a moment of total chaos is warped? You know who is warped here is the AN Reporter.

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"Americo-Fascism"
Posted by: citizenjoe on Dec 20, 2008 5:57 AM   
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This is the real legacy of the criminal Bush regime--- racist vigilantes in New Orleans. You think its a mistake, simply something that simply happens?As I have I said for years, Cheney-Bush are fascists. This is part of the fascist package.We know them not by what they say but by what they do. "Islamo-Fascism" is a perfect projection of the essence of Cheney-Bush: "Americo-fascism" if you please to have a neologism for it.

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» oh boy a polemicist Posted by: corgyn
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» RE: oh boy a racist Posted by: progunprogressive
oh how i love true colors
Posted by: alexandrapushkin on Dec 20, 2008 6:43 AM   
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what is common among those who believe in the load of bull that is the inhumane right to protect property at the expense of human life, is the double standard that seeks to protect property owned by white people against black people who are assumed to live and breathe only so they can get their hands on what white people have. you can try, but you can't get away from the fact that the majority of the founding fathers were slaveholders, and that nothing they wrote or promised held any promise or hope whatsoever for the black population, which at the time, and for a great many years afterward, were not even citizens. i hate to say it, but whenever a race issue is debated in the comments section on alter-net, i find that historical context is hard to come by. i know it's still hard to admit the ugly undercurrent of racism in this country's birth and adolescence, but, sheesh!

the bottom line is, when a disaster happens in a solely white community, everyone is called a refugee, and ad hoc gated communities are not necessary. when disaster happens in a black community with close proximity to a white, refugees are assumed to be armed looters, and suddenly, it is within the law to protect one's white self against such menacing, dangerous people. and truthfully, it isn't sudden at all. because the culture behind the rule of law has never really strayed all that far from the days when police officers rode around in the middle of the night with hoods on their heads in the name of protecting white commnunities and their property. katrina was just an excuse to engage in some good old, down home nostalgia. and lets not forget, white people looted in the aftermath of katrina as well. and you better damn well believe they were called refugees while they did it.

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At least they can get married
Posted by: sonofloud on Dec 20, 2008 7:16 AM   
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thats more than I can say for other groups.

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Doing what comes naturally
Posted by: altmart on Dec 20, 2008 8:02 AM   
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It is a natural response to protect property when the state cannot or will not.

With the report of so much looting going on in NOLA, people in Algiers did what ican always be expected.

The same thing happened in Newark in the 60's riots.-- N Newark, mostly white, came up with its own guard, complete with Armored cars.

Yes some injustices may have happened but one should not be too quick to condemn those thinking they were protecting property when there is so much crime around them.

If unjustified killings took place those guilty should be prosicuted.

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Many Rivers to Cross
Posted by: americansheep on Dec 20, 2008 8:43 AM   
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What would you do in the event your own neighborhood gets it's "Katrina" moment? Don't be too quick to judge others. There is a difference in protecting yourself and going out to hunt down innocent victims. What is right and appropriate or wrong and criminal? Hard to answer during times of utter pandemonium. Anything can and will happen and should be expected when chaotic disruptions due to natural disaster or economic stress or political rebellion burst into our everyday routines, becoming rule-changers.

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» RE: Many Rivers to Cross Posted by: MindyB
» I judge others all the time Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
White Vigilantes In New Orleans
Posted by: sunlakedude on Dec 20, 2008 9:33 AM   
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As a person who lives in the New Orleans area who used to live within the city limits of New Orleans but no longer does, I think I can add a little to this discussion. In the City Of New Orleans most neighborhoods are small and the character of an area can change drastically in just a few blocks. Many whites live on blocks that are all white but, just a few blocks away, blacks live on blocks that are all black. There is close racial proximity but little actual mixing socially between the races. There is a perception among white New Orleanians that blacks are more likely than whites to break the law so there is this siege mentality even under normal circumstances. Every white person I know who still lives in the City has been a victim of at least one crime over the last few years. And, in every case, the perpetrator was black. So this is where that perception comes from. Whites see themselves as innocent victims and bystanders. The historic backdrop of slavery, segregation and unequal treatment blacks received means little to these people. So it is understandable that some of them took matters into their own hands. In the aftermath of Katrina I heard many tales about this type of vigilante activity but I also heard of people, both black and white, who were terrorized, beaten and robbed by looters. Looters, in many cases, were just out to create havoc. Many of the shops along Magazine Street in Uptown New Orleans were broken into and vandalized but little was taken. There were several reports of looters defecating and urinating right on the floor in the middle of the stores. If people are desparate for food, water, baby diapers or other such necessities, it is one thing for people to break and enter a business to take them. But vandalism and defecating and urinating on the floor of properties that have been broken into; well that's a different thing altogether. With the complete breakdown of civilization that occurred in the immediate Katrina aftermath, many things happened that shouldn't have. The perceptions that whites had of blacks, whether they were accurate or not came to the forefront and people took the law into their own hands. Algiers Point is a historic district with homes as old as any in the historic areas on the other side of the river. But it is surrounded by a predominately black neighborhood and the siege mentality took hold. I wouldn't be surprised if this same thing would happen in other cities across the U.S. Race is still a problem nationwide.

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Not black or white, but shades of gray . . .
Posted by: charles000 on Dec 20, 2008 9:34 AM   
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I've been to New Orleans a number of times over the years before Katrina, and one thing that I must point out is that even in the best of times, this was a rough place to be if you didn't know the area, and corruption was a way of life that everyone was aware of.

Not to excuse the killing of anyone, but unless you've been there for awhile, it's very hard for the outsider to appreciate just what life there was like. There were wards one could go into, and other wards one did not, unless there was a specific reason to do so and you knew people there..

The drugs and serious violent crime were way out of control.

Murder and armed robbery were common place, to the point where such daily occurrences barely made it into the news.

The local cops had their own set of rules - and, sorry to break this to you gentle readers, but there were lots of cops on the take, both black and white.

Got that?

So look, I understand the desire to stir up a story here, and no doubt there may have been some post Katrina killings that warrant some looking into.

But we're not talking about innocent choir boys suddenly being rounded up and gunned down for fun.

If you're going to have credibility in your reporting, I urge you to take a more realistic look at what was going on before and after Katrina, before you leap to judgement.

To not do so diminishes your credibility on reporting stories from other regions and situations that truly do warrant this type of scrutiny.

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» rush to Judgement... Posted by: YogiBear
Where's the balance?
Posted by: throck on Dec 20, 2008 11:09 AM   
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I could not find a reference to how many whites were killed by blacks during this same time period. Perhaps the killing of whites is "normal" and not worthy of mention.

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I'm glad to be Canadian
Posted by: Blacktiger on Dec 20, 2008 11:09 AM   
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I believe the whole of the USA should be ashamed of their Southern neighbors's attitudes towards the African Americans. These people have been supressed for so long that they have been turned into what they are accused of. It is obvious that these people are, from birth stigmatized, and oppressed. The education system fails, the justice system fails, the health system fails.
I find it atrocious that white skin gives that person some higher level of rights. Even here in Canada, where we have the great-great grandchildren of runaway slaves, there are pockets of whites who consider themselve better. This attitude is shameful on the whole population.
We can all see, by Obama, and all other educated African Americans, that they are equal when given the chance.
The racist whites that were standing in line to vote at Primaries, commenting ignorantly about who Obama was, broke my heart. I bet it broke the Lord's heart too. Those "redneck" people are the suppressors and they are the cause of the black children who turn to crime as a way of life.
If these white people, instead make an effort to help with the education of the black children, giving them the same chance as the whites, there world be no crimes.
If there is a G*d, then there will be justice on the heads of the mistaken whites as too their mistaken attitude.

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The Katrina hurricaine
Posted by: willymack on Dec 20, 2008 11:46 AM   
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Should,ve brought the bush regime down, all by itself. Of course, due to fraudulent "election"(s), the bush regime shouldn't have existed at all, but that's another matter. The callous disregard for the lives and safety of fellow Americans on the part of the bushies is criminal neglect on a grand scale, which continues to this day. It'd probably fill a volume the size of a telephone book if ALL the crimes and foul deeds of this "administration" were tallied up. I can't imagine ANY nation, let alone ours, that'd let these criminals off, scot-free, but that's the way it looks,at least now. We've got to innundate Congress and the Senate with demands for JUSTICE, no matter how much it decimates those bodies. The rot is simply too widespread to ignore.

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I Am So Fucking ANGRY About The Destruction of Humanity
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 20, 2008 12:02 PM   
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My Niece helped many of the victims of Hurricane Katrina immediately after it happenned.

She is English - but She Was There

The American Government not only did NOTHING - when they did do something they sent in the fucking SWAT Squads and "Elite" Hit Men To take out the poor buggers just trying to survive.

And what has happenned since?

Still a Fucking WASTELAND

You Yanks don't half choose some STUPID EVIL CUNTS to Destroy You

You Call Them Government

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» thank your niece Posted by: deang
» RE: thank your niece Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: thank your niece Posted by: PortlandLiberal
Not mentioned in this article...
Posted by: TagsNOLA on Dec 20, 2008 2:14 PM   
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... was the rampant looting, arson and lawlessness that prevailed in NOLA in the days immediately following Hurricane Katrina. Gretna Police Chief Arthur Lawson blocked the Crescent City Connection because there was no good reason for ANYONE to enter Gretna from the city other than to loot and burn. There was no public shelter available, nor any provisions, nothing but an opportunity to loot and burn. The Oakwood Mall, on the west bank at the foot of the bridge had just been torched. Why??? Evidently some thugs decided the storm damage wasn't bad enough. Lawson's decision is widely supported both by whites and blacks on the west bank, at least those who are property owners. As for NOPD, actually, some members of the police were involved in looting. NOPD's main "contribution" to law and order was systematically to disarm whites, mostly leaving bands of African American thugs alone. Why? because unlike they whites, they were not afraid to shoot back! The Federal judiciary has since ruled against NOPD's decision to disarm the population as a violation of our rights under the 2nd Amendment. But few citizens have been successful at retrieving the weapons NOPD stole from them. I have since purchased a Glock 40 and an AR-15. While I would use neither to defend property, even my own, I would not hesitate to use them to defend my life, the lives of people I care about or of someone else I had good reason to believe was an innocent victim of thuggery. The level of routine violence throughout this city is difficult for outsiders to understand or believe. I do NOT live in the hood. But about 18 months ago, there was an all out "OK corral" gunfight on the street right in front of my home. It was Hispanic and oriental gangs shooting it out in a turf war. Innocent citizens in the area be damned. That's when I bought my "arsenal" and had burglar bars installed. The black on black crime has occurred largely because the projects have been and are being demolished. The residents are moving to other parts of the city and the thugs among them are contending with characters in their new neighborhoods over who gets to sell their drugs on what street corner. In every major metropolitan area that experienced an influx of refugees from NOLA, most notably, Dallas, Houston and Atlanta, violent crime spiked dramatically. The culture of violence here is pervasive. There is no excuse for gratuitous violence on any account. But the post-Katrina "vigilante patrol" in Algiers comes as no surprise to any local New Orleanean, provided he or she doesn't live under a rock.

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known since '05
Posted by: deang on Dec 20, 2008 2:44 PM   
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I'm glad this story is finally being investigated, because it was known to be going on while it was happening. I had friends who went down to help in the area just after Katrina and they were barred from entering a broad area around Algiers by police, who claimed it was too dangerous because of looters. My friends heard from area residents, though, that what was really happening was that whites were being allowed to travel around in gangs and kill as many blacks as they wanted. Friends claim that in many cases the police did it, too.

And this is a good time to comment on the sick white tendency to consider property (a.k.a. theft) more important than life itself. That is truly sick and overwhelmingly characteristic of white people all over the world. Having said that, I am absolutely sure that the whites claiming they were afraid of looters and that's why they killed blacks, those whites are lying. I have enough right-wing white relatives to know that they felt an innate hostility toward blacks already and were ecstatic at the prospect of killing them without hindrance. A love of mass murder is also overwhelmingly characteristic of whites.

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» Lets try thinking for a change! Posted by: 2thepoint
» you are one dumb person Posted by: 2thepoint
Black folks
Posted by: christianslayer1955 on Dec 20, 2008 3:56 PM   
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Black folks are a lost cause...They are raising their children without any political awareness..They bury their stupid heads inside the bible and think that some dead white figure is going to come and save their asses one day....Instead of arming themselves mentally and physically,they have left themselves wide open for disaster and mayhem.They believe anything a Black politician or a preacher tell them....Ray Nagan got reelected to office when he should have chased out of town....It is so easy for a Black to kill another black person yet,not one white asshole from that community has gotten killed. black people have made their beds and we should let them lay on them as they see fit...In this world of dog eat dog,only the strong survives

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» RE: Black folks Posted by: sju
Louisiana Purchase
Posted by: 4theluvofgawd on Dec 20, 2008 4:04 PM   
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If you do your research on the Louisiana Purchase, you will find that the US do NOT own this territory. I know, it sounds crazy and I learned just what you learned in history class. It was suppose to be the largest land purchase in history but my research found it only included 3 streets and 1 military barack. This info is NOT easily found so dig deep. Also, if you're wondering why the US did not come to help New orleans in an orderly fashion, it's because we don't own it. Look up Supreme court 1808 Case # 32. Happy trails!!!

P.S. Arizona and Texas are also owned by the heirs of Joseph Henry Turner

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From a resident of Algiers Point who was there during and after Hurricane Katrina
Posted by: TagsNOLA on Dec 20, 2008 5:39 PM   
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I forwarded this article to a friend of mine who lives in Algiers Point. Here is his response:

"Where do you find these racially biased articles ??? I wouldn't give this guy the time of day. Yes he did come here and interview people one of whom was Wayne. (He is kind of crazy and spouts off at the mouth.) Yes people were shot in Algiers. Most of those who were shot were on the other side of Opelousas which is 99% black. Were there bodies lying in the streets as the writer of this article describes? Not on your life! Perhaps he might want to do a story on the police and military who were shot at while trying to rescue people in black neighborhoods. He being black I assume would of course not hold blacks responsible for distrust of members of their race in NO following Katrina. I saw looting all over the place. At the Dollar Store on MacArther Blvd, people were streaming out the rear door, which had been broken into by the looters. The steady stream of looters was like a river and as I sat in my car and watched not a one of the looters was white. The pawn shop on the corner of General Meyer and Whitney had the door smashed in. I watched as a women sent her two small children into the store with the words "go in and get something." That lady and every one of the other looters coming out of the store was black. Thompson characterizes people who patrol their own neighborhoods as "lynch mobs." Good God I guess it's easy to sit back in your air conditioned office and point fingers. Mr Thompson talks about the Algiers Point Mob or in his words "a band of residents". There were maybe 2 dozen people in this whole neighborhood which was pitch black at night due to a disabled power grid. Maybe half a dozen people patrolled the streets to keep people from vandalizing homes of people who weren't here to defend them. Just in case he didn't hear, there was widespread looting. That is why Jefferson Parish would not let anyone, me included, to pass through their boundary. St Bernard Parish erected a barricade with cars piled 4 deep to keep the people of NO out. If you weren't here you can't understand. It was anarchy. The only protection we had was ourselves. Police were non existent. Heck this writer even sensationalizes it more to say Algiers Point is the buffer area between 9th ward and the rescue point. (9th Ward is nowhere near Algiers. It's on the east bank and Algiers is on the west bank!) I live two blocks from the ferry landing (the rescue point) and there were convoys of buses picking up people who were brought there from all flooded areas of metro NO including, St. Bernard Parish. (Most of the people in St. Bernard are whites.) He also shows his racism by calling Algiers Point a white enclave in the middle of a predominantly black area. Wow I think if some of the white people acted racist maybe, unfortunately, they had a reason."

I can add to the testimony of this Algiers Point resident. Another friend of min owns an auto repair garage on General Meyer in Algiers. When he returned from evacuation, has garage had been completely ransacked and looted. There had been no serious flooding or wind damage. Nearly all of the damage was caused by looters and vandals. Not content to confine their mayhem to looting everything that wasn't nailed down, even the auto lift had been sabotaged! There most certainly IS racism in NOLA. But it's not all white racism against blacks. There is plenty of racial animosity among New Orleans blacks against whites.

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» Thanks, Whitey McWhite Posted by: rgoalierob
And Even Florida Is Experiening The Coldest Temperatures In Living Memory
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 20, 2008 6:32 PM   
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And The Rest Of AMERICA is FREEZING TO DEATH

And We have Yor Muppets Al Gore and That Completely Bent NASA Cunt Hansen

That It Is All Down To Carbon Dioxide

And We KNOW They Are Talking Complete BOLLOCKS

Cos Not Only Did They Skip The PHYSICS and MATHS CLASS

But They Joined The Bullshitting Rich Wankers Class

And Took Control

Tony

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And About This Tribal Thing - Look The Band Were Really Loud
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 20, 2008 7:08 PM   
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And so I went outside into the Street To Have a Smoke (Bensons & Hedges) and a Pint of Stella Cos They Don't Do The Reverend (Which Is Fucking Class - For Southern Beer - Nealy as Good as Pendle Witch)

And These Two Blokes Come Out and Talk To Me

So within less than the time it takes to smoke a fag - I realise that probably both of them are Roman Catholic Priests or Gay or Both

So I Gave Them a Cuddle and Went Back In The Pub

Tony

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It is surely time to bring back the Black Panthers...
Posted by: leTerrassier on Dec 20, 2008 7:45 PM   
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As if there needed to be anymore proof, America is certainly not "post-racial." Disgusting.

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I WAS RAISED IN NEW ORLEANS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS NONSENSE!
Posted by: joeocho88 on Dec 20, 2008 7:53 PM   
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When I was growing up. I lived in New Orleans and it wasin a predominantly African American neighborhood. I am a light complected Native American and we NEVER had a question of race or prejudice.
WE WERE ALL POOR TOGETHER AND WE ALL GOT ALONG!
I think the KLAN did come by and try to cause some trouble but it seems their truck caught on fire.
Drug dealers and pimps and burglars and other thugs were dealt with and left in the street for the cops to find. Nobody sees anything. Nobody ever sees things there.
I HEAR NOW THAT MOST OF MY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD IS GONE. KATRINA TOOK IT!
I DON"T BELIEVE THIS HORRIBLE STORY!
Now I hear that most of the African American young people are in GANGS and they HATE and want to KILL WHITE PEOPLE -- ALL WHITE PEOPLE, EVEN HISPANICS AND NATIVE AMERICANS!
And so I guess the white people have their gangs too.
AND I AM SAD BECAUSE NOW I KNOW I REALLY CAN"T GO HOME AGAIN!

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My Strategy When I Arrived From a State of Unemployment in London From Lancashire
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 20, 2008 8:13 PM   
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Was to Cuddle All The Southern Girls - And Boys

Do You Realise What It Is Like?

When You have been on the dole for nearly a year and gone to Stonehenge and Everyting with your new girlfriend

And they actually offer you the job

And so I turned up im ny suit and tie - and they introduced me to the kids who had also applied for the job knowing everything about it

And I introduced myself

And said you guys have to help me here

And they did

And We All ReallY Worked Brilliantly Together

And I Did The Best Possible Job I Could To Try My Hardest To Get My Staff To Develop Their Skilss and Get Promoted

They Gave Me Such Love and Support - That as Their Boss I Really Did Need to Do My Best For Them

And Jeni after telling me that she had actually asked her doctor to sterilise her...

And she rode round Chelsea and Fulham with her boyfriend in their Noddy Car

Got pregnant - whlst ski-ing

And of course I really loved Jeni

And Jeni came back to work to continue her career - a few months after the Baby was born

And the Childminder phoned her up and she heard her Baby CRY

And she immediately Went Home To Look After HER Baby

And Gave Up Her Job

Some Things Are More Important

Tony

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too many people
Posted by: samosamo on Dec 21, 2008 12:23 AM   
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Too many people living so close together is a vast departure from times when human population was at a less stressful level. Any disaster anywhere would or could have the same consequences as the in New Orleans during and after Katrina. And one thing about humans is we are animals and trying to use political, religious economic or legal systems to 'keep everyone in line' or make people believe that your neighbor isn't out to screw you over money, love, disaster or just plain being drunk ain't gonna happen. This planet is just too damn crowded. Try to be as nice and respectful as you can to others and that will not help in some or a lot of situations. Just think 6.6 billion people and the capacity of each one of them to take from the environment and see if this planet can support them. We have passed a treshold and there is no telling where it will go.

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» RE: too many people Posted by: christianslayer1955
» RE: too many people Posted by: TagsNOLA
Adolf Hitler....
Posted by: eosrk on Dec 21, 2008 6:09 AM   
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Would have loved it!!! For its the perfect model off the Nazi idealogy!!!!

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seakat
Posted by: Kathy-B on Dec 21, 2008 10:06 AM   
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I guess this explains why Louisana continues to vote for the republican.

Disgusting.

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What happened to Alternet?
Posted by: maddy on Dec 21, 2008 10:37 AM   
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This message board is Troll-o-rama???!!!!

How is it possible that so many posts are blaming unnamed black people for their supposed criminality in response to a news story about specific white people boasting about killing any black men they saw in their sights? At a minimum, it gets the story friggin' BACKWARDS?!!!

Can the white folks on this message board be SO consumed by their own guilt and paranoid racism that they have to INVERT the FACTS of the case to make it align with their own racist ideas about black people? That's not just Orwellian; it's psychotic!

LOOK! Logically, any claim a white person makes about "all" black people being "whatever" past and present is IRRELEVANT (not to mention racist nonsense). This is a specific crime, committed in a specific time and place, that has not been investigated or prosecuted. Period.

As a sidebar. Ya'll remember the dragging death of James Byrd in 1998???? 2 white supremacists chained him to their truck and dragged him to his death. I had my students study transcripts of Fox News' coverage: Fox don't mention the facts of the case, and, instead, invited pundits to discuss "urban crime" and "gang violence." This was a specific crime in a rural area of Texas--gang violence was IRRELEVANT, unless you were operating on the assumptions that 1. all blacks are inherently violenct and 2. therefore whites are justified in KILLING THEM!!!??? To not discuss white racist fears of black people is to not engage with the actual facts of the case. And it's not like there aren't similiar cases in our historical record. Ever heard of, I dunno, Lynching? The Zoot Suit Riots? The murders of countless civil rights activists??

Another case: See the PBS documentary "Two Towns of Jasper." The whites in the town emphasize--repeatedly--that James Byrd was a drunk. Again, as though somehow it's okay to lynch a person for being drunk.

Seriously, as a white person myself, I just don't understand how so many whites can be so stubbornly stupid about their one unconcscious racism. And I've been studying the phenomenon for a decade. Perhaps I will never understand it.

It is loathesome that we live in a society where a story about white vigilantism becomes intead a story about how white people somehow are justified in killing black people.

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» my thoughts exactly Posted by: deang
» Who is stupid here? Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: What happened to Alternet? Posted by: progunprogressive
» RE: What happened to Alternet? Posted by: sunlakedude
There is one and ONLY one fix for this and it is to restore the constitution to it's pre 911 state.
Posted by: Nightstallion on Dec 21, 2008 11:10 AM   
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All else is bullshit. If the unidentified goons shoot at you by god shoot back! They are going to kill your ass anyway if they get a chance. This is war to extermination and all the cockroaches are wearing suits and working in Washington.

It is not your fault you trusted them, it was their job to serve and NONE of the arrogant bastards have done that! Republican, Democrat, what ever party NOT ONE has protected you from those that preyed on the constitution.

If anything the smarmy S.O.B's acted like it was business as usual so no one would notice the water beginning to boil! How does it feel to be a lobster in a pot? Come on you all know the Corporations control this Governmant fess up and take your beating like a big dog! The corporate heads, the CEO's the big money, oil, steel, stock shares, they are the ones who benifited from the trajedy of Katrina!

Now, don't start with the Jew's did it garbage or it was this or that ethnic group, that is all horse shit and beside the point. Bankers are Bankers and CEO's are just that! But, you can bet your backside that they are the ones who had to do with the "Clean Up" of New Orleans, and boy did they. Murdered people everywhere!

To me this spells a revolution, Impeach every mothers son politician who was at that location and not a member of the community. Demand an impartial investigation by Interpol. Get a Civilian commity of those preyed upon to ok the investigators and leave no stone unturned! Otherwise all this is for nothing.

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Goodbye, people. God bless.
Posted by: SammySpammy on Dec 21, 2008 11:15 AM   
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I'm sorry but you are NOT going to find an intelligent response from any of the "Progressives" on this basically Leftist site. I didn't realize when I subscribed to this board that it was so bad. It's worse than Townhall.com! The author of the piece (of garbage) wrote pages upon pages of hatred toward Whites! Why? What kind of a person stirs up such hatred in such a one-sided way? Or in any way, for that matter. There are always ALWAYS two sides to every story. I am not in the least a believer of human garbage like Sean Hannity or Rush Limberger, so please, people don't get me wrong. But the writer of this article fits in with the ilk of the far Right. Worse, in fact, as she adds more wood to the fire to keep the already existent hatred, of Blacks and Whites, going strong. Pathetic! While I do believe that the far Right is sick with greed enough to destroy people's lives, I really do believe the far Left are sick with mental illness enough to destroy lives as well.

In case you are wondering where I come from, here is a short description:

I like Obama.

I do not like Bush. (notice the lack of the word "hate"?)

I believe in the Second Amendment, owning guns and the ability to carry concealed weapons, for
the main reason that I believe it is the right of every citizen to protect themselves against
ALL kinds of predators, including a runaway, tyrannical government. We are in a Police State.

I believe in Welfare, Food Stamps, free or low-cost health care, free housing, etc. I am not a saint, but for the past three years I have been going to our local methadone clinic, as a patient and a friend, and helping out single mothers, buying doses for those who were
physically suffering from withdrawal, providing rides, helping homeless folks, most of whom are my friends, move their belongings from one shelter or another, buying toys and food and putting them in boxes at the clinic, providing moral support and love, spare change (I learned the hard way how to avoid them spending the money I gave them on drugs), and
whatever else I could do. It makes me cry sometimes. I have since stopped being a patient,and if I could do it, so can anyone else, a point I try to drive in to my friends down there.

I believe in the TOTAL legalization of marijuana and the decriminalization of other drugs, except those that have a propensity to kill. I thing the drug laws are sick and the war on drugs a complete, expensive, useless SHAM!

I believe abortion is killing babies. If you pulled a fetus out of a woman, would you just
see a lifeless little blob resembling something humanoid? Would you proceed to use
a tool to suck its brains out? This "thing" laying on a table would be writhing, hands
clutching and moving, mouth moving. My God, I wouldn't kill an animal, much less a child.
Yes, it is a child.

This website fits into the same category as sham. As a result I have stopped my subscription to its newsletters and sincerely hope the folks who remain realize that there are two sides to every story, and the readers should be very suspicious when they don't see that.

Sincerely and with love,

Nicholas

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» RE: Goodbye, people. God bless. Posted by: justAnEgg
» RE: Goodbye, people. God bless. Posted by: MobileSucks
» RE: Goodbye, people. God bless. Posted by: progunprogressive
From another Algiers Point resident
Posted by: alwaysmore on Dec 21, 2008 11:40 AM   
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I live and work in Algiers Point and know the 'vigilantes' that are featured in this ridiculous dribble Mr. Thompson is trying to pass off as news three years after the fact. I do not condone some of the comments made on the video, but I personally know the sources so I realize the intelligence level (and level of constant intoxication) and don't expect much. I know Wayne Janak and don't think I've ever seen him sober enough to load a gun much less aim it accurately enough to shoot someone. But anyway...

I evacuated and I'm glad I did, because I would have been terrified to have been shuttered in my house with no guns and no way to get help when trouble came - which it did for many. There are gangs in New Orleans and they planned to use the mass evacuation as an opportunity to loot and pillage whatever they could. They came to Algiers Point and targeted the restaurants, bars and stores first. At first they roamed the streets in groups in the middle of the day with weapons visible, advertising that they thought they were in charge. Until they encountered the Algiers Point Militia, which was larger and more heavily armed than their gang. No one was shot or killed to get this point across. The businesses were protected and were some of the first to open and help feed first responders and start bringing the city back. So then the gangs started coming back at night in smaller groups targeting houses. Many homes were broken into and looted and generally trashed. They didn't take food, water and supplies. They took checkbooks, credit cards and electronics and then trashed the places for fun. So the militia did what they could for warning systems - tied strings of cans together and layed them on the sidewalk, hooked up motion detector lights to car batteries - leashed dogs to fire hydrants so they'd bark when someone came up. People roaming around were told to walk in the middle of the street instead of on the sidewalk - a way to show they weren't there to cause trouble. There was no hunting of anyone of any color. I assume there was shooting done by the residents that stayed to protect our neighborhood - and I assume this because of the shell-shocked demeanor that I saw when I returned. It was not the demeanor of celebratory outlaws, having just won a turf war. They saw and did things they never imagined they would encounter in our friendly, welcoming corner. It was described as being a war zone and it showed on their faces. Some of you have tried to make the point that property shouldn't be valued over human life and I agree - too bad the looters don't agree too. I find it hard to believe that some of you actually think that a looter is going to tell you to have a nice day as they walk out your door with your stuff. Doubtful. They are going to put a bullett in your head as they run away laughing yelling to their friends "there's one for the 1.5".

I think there is a lot more to this story than is being reported. Shouldn't Mr. Thompson have contacted the individuals on the videos sometime in the last three years? What happened to balanced reporting?

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no one knows.
Posted by: jejer12345 on Dec 21, 2008 6:15 PM   
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In truth, no one will ever know why these men were shot. could it have been because they were raping and looting like they were in the city and the stadium, i mean a black guy was killed in the stadium for trying to rape a little girl. it could have been racism, but my bet that these guys were opportunistic, and im sure there were a few white people who died the same way.

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The OTHER Most Flood Prone City in America
Posted by: macdon1 on Dec 21, 2008 9:25 PM   
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I live in Sacramento CA where I can imagine exactly the same kind of behavior as what happened in Algiers Point. I used to live in Boston, a city that has a reputation for racial problems, but it can't hold a candle to Sacramento. The police practice racial profiling as a matter of course and if you get into their clutches and you are black, you are automatically guilty of whatever they can stick you with. They don't follow the law either, and ditto for the DA and the courts. Don't be fooled by our retired NBA basketball star black mayor...he is white on the inside.
A real oreo cookie. By the way, I am an old white lady not a black person. If I was, I'd get as far away from this place as I could. In fact, I am planning on doing that anyway.

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New Orleans is the most dangerous city
Posted by: steven w on Dec 22, 2008 6:24 AM   
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especially for white people in the world! White folks don't go anywhere NEAR the 9th ward, and that is the truth and I do not care if the truth hurts, it is the truth.

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