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Experts Predict a Possible Terrorist Strike with a Nuke in the US by 2013 -- What Can We Do to Stop It?

By Alexander Zaitchik, AlterNet. Posted December 16, 2008.


There’s no way around it: nuclear weapons are scary. Will fear drive Americans away from Obama’s arms control agenda?

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"Megaterror Attack Likely By 2013, Say Experts." It's a good bet this headline caused thousands of Americans to stop in the tracks of their morning routines.

Even by the tough post-9/11 standards of a.m. bummers, it was a gulper. On Dec. 4, the Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism convened a press conference to declare that our margin of safety against an act of megaterror is shrinking at a disturbing clip. The commission also issued a book-length study, World at Risk, which concluded, "unless the world community acts decisively and with great urgency, it is more likely than not that a weapon of mass destruction will be used in a terrorist attack somewhere in the world by the end of 2013."

Depending on whom you ask, this is the good news. The WMD commission's conclusion is actually a little sunnier than some previous warnings of the same ilk. In 2004, one of the commission's ranking members, Harvard's Graham Allison, published a book called Nuclear Terrorism: The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe, in which he estimated that there was an even chance that a nuclear weapon -- not a "dirty bomb," but an actual Hiroshima-style fission bomb -- would destroy an American city within a decade unless swift action was taken to lock down the world's sprawling stocks of fissile material, concentrated in, but not limited to, Russia.

Too dark a forecast? Maybe. The truth is nobody knows. But if people are skeptical of, or inured to, this kind of warning after eight years of Bush/Cheney, it's understandable. Bogus mushroom-cloud visions, after all, were used to sell the Iraq war. Later, nuclear terror fears were stoked with gusto by a Bush administration fighting dirty in defense of every aspect of its war on terror. In the run-up to the 2004 election, Vice President Dick Cheney took a one-man, nuke-terror traveling roadshow through Midwestern swing states, at one point famously suggesting that the Democrats simply did not grasp the dangers of nuclear terrorism. "You have to get your mind around [the] concept," said the vice president, seething with condescension.

What made Cheney's fearmongering especially infuriating is that Democrats have always had their minds more firmly around the concept than Republicans. In 2004, it was Sen. John Kerry, not President Bush, who pledged to create a cabinet-level position to coordinate the battle against loose nukes and the black market in nuclear materials. And it was Kerry, not Bush, who proposed boosting funding for nuclear-threat-reduction programs. Kerry had even discussed nuclear terrorism in his 1998 book The New War: The Web of Crime That Threatens America's Security, written when Cheney was busy saddling Halliburton with asbestos class-action suits.

Four years later, the Democrats are finally in a position to show the country, and the world, what real leadership on the threat of nuclear terrorism looks like. The bipartisan WMD commission, created by Congress in 2007, has written a report that's both useful resource and timely reality check. Nuclear terrorism is not just the stuff of manipulative neoconservative fantasy. A consensus is hardening around the world that the threat is real and growing. While America's actions on the world stage can mitigate this threat, a more benign foreign policy alone will not eliminate it. The United States is not the only potential target, and U.S. foreign policy is not the only inspiration for groups seeking these weapons.

Luckily, the incoming president grasps the issue in all of its complexity. Barack Obama has produced a layered and ambitious agenda to confront the interlocking threats of nuclear terrorism, proliferation and the lingering arsenals of the world's two biggest nuclear powers, the United States and Russia, which maintain thousands of missiles on hair-triggers. Everything is in place to begin to put the hydra-headed nuclear genie into an internationally controlled bottle. As with other planks on the incoming administration's agenda, the question is whether Democrats will be able to force its arms control program past the opposition of conservative critics and entrenched interests in Washington, which will be at least as hard as persuading the world's other nuclear powers to meet us half way.

When it comes to public opinion, the nuclear question is trickier than most. The mere discussion of nuclear dangers, some studies suggest, appears to drive the public away from the very policies that would reduce them. It's a catch-22 for peace and security advocates who would rally public support behind arms control in the coming years, which may present a precious final window of opportunity. Ignore or downplay the threats, and people will not feel they are pressing enough to radically alter the status quo. Be honest about the nature of the threats, and people may instinctively retreat into support for militaristic policies that increase the danger.


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We fought this type of enemy before.
Posted by: Honkie the Nihilist on Dec 16, 2008 12:38 AM   
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Remember the Japanese? They were willing to fight to the death. It turned out “the death” only meant the death of their soldiers. When the US showed them that everything they knew and loved, from their home to their country to their culture would be completely destructed, they submitted. Their emperor didn’t even commit sepuko.

Why are we trying to “win hearts and minds”. We know what works from WWI. We know what does not work from Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Make the choice simple, continue to exist or Attack us.

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» That's ambitious Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» Sorry. I rated you a 1 when I meant a 5 Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» RE: We fought this type of enemy before. Posted by: Cult of Zoidberg
» QUIT BUYING INTO THESE FRAMES Posted by: susie_smalls
» Very well said Posted by: LeftWright
The Sky Is Falling
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Dec 16, 2008 12:47 AM   
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Code Red!

Seal up your house with duct tape!


FREE AMERICA|

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» RE: You were being sarcastic, right??? Very good humor. Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy
We live in the world we deserve and get what we strive for.
Posted by: Dyolfknip on Dec 16, 2008 12:54 AM   
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Would any nuclear power be willing to give up their weapons? NOT BLOODY LIKELY.

Perhaps if we lived in a world where we did not treat our fellow human beings as (at best) adversaries or (more commonly)as a means for the production of our comforts we might be able to rest assured that that nuclear destruction was not likely. Perhaps if we worked together as a species celebrating the ways we are the same rather than obsessing over our pathetic tribal and faith based differences we could know peace. Perhaps if we lived on a planet where everyone was treated equally so that whole nations did not have to starve while others lived on a glut of resources there could there be peace and safety.

But many of us do not even think this is possible! We are so fearful of "them" that we would not even trust one another for the promise of paradise for all. Hence we massacre each other in never ending bigotry fuelled resource wars. Until this sick division ideology dies we will all fret under the possibility of a violent early death. Unity as a species and equality for all is the only way to ensure a peaceful harmonious existence. For those who do not strive for such a world, you are living in the fear, panic, mistrust and danger that results from your competition and divisiveness. For those who do strive for that kind of world, don't give up.

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» Well said. Posted by: harryf200
Fighting a Monster of Our Making
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Dec 16, 2008 1:00 AM   
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The most important way to protect ourselves is to stop being so obnoxious and violent. People hate us for our aggressive, self-serving economic policy and militaristic, civilian-annihilating foreign policy, and until we realize that terrorism was spawned by our actions and is fueled by our reactions, we'll never break the cycle. We're fighting a monster of our own making.

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» Do you pay federal taxes? Posted by: LeftWright
» Whose fighting? What? Posted by: common intelligence
» RE: critique of 9/11 Posted by: common intelligence
Here's just a modest Suggestion:
Posted by: talkville on Dec 16, 2008 1:47 AM   
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Maybe if those among us stop HUMILIATING Other People on the PREMISE that they and only they know what Humility is in order to get what they want by any means necessary, we might stop the production of individuals and groups who find living, theirs and others', utterly meaningless.

Some Humble People like to Teach, and like to Preach; sometimes by Example and other times by Demonstration. It brings them great, rapturous Joy. Why, If I gotta be Humble, so do you by gosh, by golly by gee! Aren't I humble in all my dealings with Others? Even when I go to Acquire things I want but you might not want to give?

Or we can continue to produce the Objects of our deepest fears and nightmares over and over again; repetitively. To prove our humility you see.

When there's no other Way to Struggle against Dominion, strange strategies are conceived... .

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NUCLEAR BLACKMAIL! OH My! STOP THE WAR MACHINE!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Dec 16, 2008 1:54 AM   
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SHUT DOWN ALL NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS.
DISARM ALL THE WAR-Heads and
Shove the missiles up Cheney's A-s.
The shit is about to hit the fan and
They only cause problems.
Yes, they will try every dirty trick in the Book:
To enslave you.
Even DECLARE Marshall Law.
STOP!
Shut off your indoctrination set.
Turn off the BU__! SH__!
Flee to safety.
Take your life into your own hands.
Join the Micro-Democracy Revolution!
Become efficient, self reliant and self sufficient.
GO Local
GO Green
Go Organic.

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QED
Posted by: Perry Logan on Dec 16, 2008 2:30 AM   
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What can we do to prevent terrorism?

Why, keep the Democrats in office, of course.

The Clinton Administration stopped a whole slew of attempted terrorist attacks by al Qaeda. The minute Bush got into office, the terrorists got through. Under the Republicans' watch, world terrorism has tripled. Quod erat demonstrandum.

Ann Coulter with her Jaw Wired Shut:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFhy7S2WFPA

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» Or Posted by: EinMD
» RE: QED Posted by: Knot_Rich
The silly math (Warning: more silly than the title of this article)
Posted by: aouie01 on Dec 16, 2008 3:00 AM   
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The experts estimated that without divine interference there is a 32% chance that a terrorist strike with a nuke can occur in any given year over the next several years.
Though an overwhelming majority of the people in USA. believe in an omnipotent god that protects USA from nuclear strikes by terrorists, only 50% of the experts do. Hence, experts on the average say that there is a 16% chance in any given year of a terrorist strike occurring over the next several years.

Computing for 4 years (2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012)
(1-0.16)^4 drops below 0.5.

Therefore the chances of a strike occurring being better than the chances of a strike not occurring is approximately 4 years.

Hence, experts predict a strike by 2013.

Semi-jokingly,
Aouie

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» RE: The silly EXperts Posted by: americansheep
After the Sept 14th week of 2007, when false flag nukes (5) went missing .....
Posted by: Prophit on Dec 16, 2008 3:42 AM   
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....at the same time cheney was going to hold war games and El Al airlines cancelled their flights from NY to Tel Aviv and Chertoff said that 5 US cities would be nuked, and all of it got outed by military newspaper, (Remember the missing 5 nukes that were loaded on a military cargo plane that were later found? LOL) and all military personnel involved are all dead in less than a year, 2 enlisted men who loaded the nukes, their commanding officer, and the commanding officer of the base itself??

I NO LONGER BELIEVE THEIR NUKE THREATS. What happened to the one Biden, Powell, Bush and McCain warned us about for January 2009? I guess not enough of us bought it, so they put it off until 2013.....hahahaha

If Obama does not purge the military, then he is continuing this crap and we probably will have such an attack..... but then we fight back..... they kill one more AMERICAN and they are dead. Why in the world did he keep Gates? Now he is talking of keeping Hayden who coordinated all of this.

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» Thank you for the article Posted by: LeftWright
who protects the world for the USA
Posted by: richholland on Dec 16, 2008 3:47 AM   
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since the USA are ruled by a small group of superrich families many people in the world fear they will blackmail humanity with the nuclair power.

they want from us ; financial support
oil, nickel,
cheap human resource.

if we refuse they will bomb our cities in name of freedom.

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A Small Glimmer of Hope
Posted by: Carol Burns on Dec 16, 2008 4:23 AM   
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That's what we have now, with the election of Barack Obama. Hope we make it to January 20th and beyond. And if we truly want to regain our national status, we will continue to call for the impeachment and trial of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, et al. We can't allow blatant evil to go unpunished, or we will continue to be hated by the rest of the world. The politics of fear breeds more fear. I am more afraid of another internal strike, like 9/11, than I am of all the terrorists in the Arab world.

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» RE: A Small Glimmer of Hope Posted by: jshubbub
» Who chose what when? Posted by: LeftWright
The headline is wrong
Posted by: Joffan on Dec 16, 2008 4:24 AM   
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The report predicts a bioweapon strike, not a nuclear strike, by terrorists.

From the top of the Executive Summary:

"The Commission believes that unless the world community acts decisively and with great urgency, it is more likely than not that a weapon of mass destruction will be used in a terrorist attack somewhere in the world by the end of 2013.

The Commission further believes that terrorists are more likely to be able to obtain and use a biological weapon than a nuclear weapon. The Commission believes that the U.S. government needs to move more aggressively to limit the proliferation of biological weapons and reduce the prospect of a bioterror attack."

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» RE: The headline is wrong Posted by: jshubbub
» Beats me Posted by: Joffan
» Really combatting terrorism Posted by: Joffan
» Really defeating terrorism Posted by: Last Chance
Keeping the Fear Alive
Posted by: IndispensiBill on Dec 16, 2008 4:51 AM   
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I love this! It would appear that the defense establishment is worried that, with all the attention (and billions of dollars) going to Wall Street, they might be forgotten. So they ginned up this little scare-fest to make sure the bucks keep rolling in.

Also, I'm amused that the concept of nuclear nonproliferation doesn't seem to be aiming for a world where no one has nuclear weapons, but where no one but the major powers have them. That will never happen, since the only way for a nation to avoid being bullied and exploited by the major powers is to have a credible deterrent, and that means nuclear or biological weapons.

But that's OK. If nonproliferation efforts fail, as they are certain to do, the Big Shots can keep the defense-spending gravy train running indefinitely.

Or, as I wrote in my blog, War is (Still) a Racket.


Bill McLaughlin
The Shoe-Leather Express

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Prosecuting Bush Admin & Corp Co conspirators
Posted by: Purple Girl on Dec 16, 2008 5:00 AM   
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Americans can't Just say we are a nation of Laws, or just say we are the 'Shining City On the Hill' for all humanity....WE Must Prove it by prosectuing those who not only committed crimes against US, but the rest of the World.
If we fail to hold those accountable for the Illegal invasions, the reckless mayhem, the financial meltdown and Unethical Business practices WE Are Nothing!
Really How many of US Jumped up to Cheer the Shoe throwing Journalists? How many of US not only loved watching Bush dodge shoes but the symbolism it represented.As a display of contempt and Outrage by Even peaceful people. Obviously this journalist is not a Jiihadist, most likely a Law bidding citizen.he mirror the same frustration of being of 'No Concern'("So" & "So What"???) to this Admin. Any Thinking American would love to have done the same. We have a deep resentment towards this admin, not just for the Wars, but for the economic collapse, the undermining of the Middle Class,The Rejecting to comply with Constitutional Law,Their Oil 'royal' pandering, Their Bastardizing of the Free market with Corporate Controls,The disgrace they have Caused to the American name, Their Arrogance. We have quite a bit to be Pissed about too.
Actually I think that Journalist did the World a favor. Not only did he give 'voice' to so many others frustrations and anger towards this Organized Crime Syndicates Frontman, But he did it with out resorting to real violence. He helped release a pent up 'valve' which needed to be vented.And as a secondary benefit, probably caused laughter around the world. the Worlds collective Rebuke of the BushCo regime. We laughed at Them Together.
But that will not sustain good will, so We as Americans must demand Justice from those who have committed so many crimes, in so many ways against so many people.W is the Accumulative Result of 40(?) yrs of high crimes by Multinational Corps, Corrupt Politicians and foreign 'investors'.
They've Brought Our Lady to her knees, and they must be held accountable.
What has caused AQ to 'Panic' recently...The election of a Bi racial man to the Office of the US Presidency. Why? Because it refutes much of their Claims against US,their Recruitment mantra.
No doubt we won't get all these High Crime Traitors, but we need only get the 'Face Cards', the rest will fall in line far more quickly. W is more symbolic than pivotal. Cheney is the lynchpin with Rummy & Wolfie as Co conspirators.These Three have been at this for decades.Gonzales,Rove, Rice....Are all just stand ins. Their names are different but serve the same purpose Admin to admin.Nor can We ignore the adverse effects some of the corps flying our flags around the world have caused,the Top brass of some of those should also be brought to justice. foreign entities which have financed these venture in Corporatism, should face the international community.
If we are claiming to be champions for freedom and Justice, we'd better prove we Practice it at Home first.
Thus Psychologically defeating the concept of Terrorism as a tool for justice and freedom by .

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» Read this About Accountability (Part 1) Posted by: common intelligence
» About Accountability (Part 2) Posted by: common intelligence
We Are Incredibly Lucky To Have Survived Over 60 Years With Nuclear Weapons
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 5:02 AM   
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There have already been several very serious incidents that could easily have resulted in the deliberate start of nuclear war since 1945.

There have also been a large number of accidents - where planes carrying nuclear weapons have crashed - or the weapons have been lost - or nuclear missile's conventional detonators have exploded (very forunately not causing a nuclear explosion) - and these are only the incidents that the US has admitted to.

What about all the other nukes - spread around the World in places like the UK, France, Russia, Israel, Pakistan, India and China?

Every year that nuclear weapons exist, there is a very significant risk of either deliberate or accidental nuclear explosion.

Even if the risk is as low as 1% a year (and I believe it is much higher), it is inevitable that one year - it is going to happen.

We are living on borrowed time - and are incredibly lucky we haven't already destroyed ourselves with nuclear weapons.

The only sensible thing is to disarm them all, and convert all that destructive energy - into useful electricity in Nuclear Power Stations.

This will solve mutliple problems all at the same time.

Nuclear Weapons have absolutely no useful purpose. Trying to kill Osama Bin Laden by Nuking all of The Middle East is not a sensible option.

Threats of attack are diffused in Nations throughout the World. It is not a Nation VS Nation situation - nor even a Religion VS Religion one.

The Cancer of Evil cannot be defended or attacked with Nuclear Weapons because its just as likely that the problem is right next door to you - and not thousands of miles away.

This actually is by far our greatest problem.

The human race can easily adapt to climate change as has been demonstrated throughout human history. Even an ice age wouldn't kill us all. Nuclear Weapons will - unless we get rid of them. It's a Mathematical Certainty - They Have Got To Go.

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Free US from Israel
Posted by: weathered on Dec 16, 2008 5:08 AM   
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its not a relationship, its extortion.

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frukit
Posted by: frukit on Dec 16, 2008 5:12 AM   
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I wonder if dickhe-d Cheney and the PNAC will be behind this attack also...

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Another Slow News Day.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 16, 2008 5:13 AM   
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I would like to read more investigative reporting about Mr. Obama and the "change we can believe in."

I never tire in having the corruption and stupidity of our system exposed.

Merry Christmas.

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Posted by: Crazy H on Dec 16, 2008 7:47 AM   
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I am not going to subsidize spammers.

When Alternet kicks scumbags like jeff/jess off the site, maybe they'll get some of my hard earned cash.

Does he want a bigger vagina?

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» Incidentally Posted by: opmoc
Why don't we just follow the Bush Plan?
Posted by: Tatarize on Dec 16, 2008 6:18 AM   
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Experts predict a terrorist strike with a nuke by 2013. We need to stick our fingers in our ears, shout "Lalalalalalalalala" and get new experts. -- Done.

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Experts are full of shit.
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Dec 16, 2008 6:25 AM   
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Any nuke attack will be perpetrated by the government of the country nuked. If you believe any of this bullshit you had better start thinking more clearly.

If experts were so sure of a nuclear attack they must have some idea who might perpetrate such an attack. If they knew that much they could fairly easily stop it. There would be no need for a press release.

This press release is pure and simple propaganda with the aim of continuing our imperialistic military agenda.

A terrorist is not a defined enemy. It is a loose definition given to any country or any person or any group of people. As the law is written a U.S. citizen who says he doesnt like the president could be considered a terrorist and imprisoned indefinatly.

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» There are no Experts anymore that you and I Posted by: common intelligence
RE: NOT SO NOT IN GODS PLANS
Posted by: Cybershaman on Dec 16, 2008 9:15 AM   
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Your phrasing suggests that you are willing to exclude people who don't follow 'Jesus' in your plans. Every religion has it's fanatics who scream "It's my way or the die way!"

By including the peaceful aspects of every religion you can enlist their help to purge the fanatics from their midst. Better yet, work to draw the fanatics back into the mainstream to avoid alienating them and making them lash out.

Combining the lobbying efforts with a 'Department of Peace' would help. Be inclusive, don't use it as an excuse to proselytise and do the superiority dance. THAT only backfires.

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» SO where do we convene our first meeting? Posted by: common intelligence
Experts?
Posted by: EinMD on Dec 16, 2008 7:01 AM   
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Are these the same experts that said they knew where the WMD's were? That said we would be greeted as liberators? That claimed that 'harsh interrogation techniques' were effective?

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never underestimate a bunch of religious fanatics who want to bring about armageddon
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Dec 16, 2008 7:07 AM   
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never underestimate a bunch of religious fanatics who want to bring about armageddon so they can go beam up to jesus...
these are the doomsday clock watchers who want to bring about destruction.
if you really believe the planet is going to crap,
stop breeding, folks, so your children and grandchildren won't be in a world of hurt.

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» RE: Rapture Trekkers Posted by: americansheep
» staying behind... Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» staying behind, too... Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: staying behind, too... Posted by: Bliss Doubt
The Unbearable Truth
Posted by: Last Chance on Dec 16, 2008 7:33 AM   
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Very few people are willing to think and admit what causes terrorism and what motivates each and every terrorist killer. We see them as simply the "bad guys" who are trying to interrupt our growing billions of legitimate programs for personal and family success. Never mind the cost of that "success" in a devastated environment that nobody can live without. Never mind the fact that terrorists are those left out of the mad scramble for wealth and power, furious young men and their fanatical leaders who use religion or ideology to excuse their crimes against a global society they have come to hate.

So who created these savage young men and their criminal mentors? WE DID, modern humanity so busy growing and devouring we cannot be bothered to think and realize that what we are doing is both ecocidal and suicidal.

So, how will we end our exploding campaign of ignorant greed to forever "grow the economy"?
A nuclear World War Three? An ecocidal collapse of the environment? A raging pandemic disease?
An implosion of social chaos? All of the above? Yet, we dream on and on, imagining a bright new future for those of us who really deserve it ( ! )

Again and again and again on so many forums I have urged people to support family planning clinics to peacefully reduce the human population so we can live at peace with each other and in balance with the Earth, but apparently that is not what the the great multi-billion mass of humanity wants.
It just yearns to GROW, like a cancer. Perhaps the "Terminator 2" was right. "It is in your nature to destroy yourselves."

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» mad love... Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» RE: mad love... Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: THE REAL TRUTH Posted by: rdean
Not a real terrorist attack
Posted by: nfamous on Dec 16, 2008 8:06 AM   
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The only massive terrorist attack by 2013 will be another 9/11 style false flag attack coordinated by Israel with fake double agent CIA and Mossad operatives on the American people. Tens of thousands of people, maybe a few hundred thousand, will die all so martial law can be started here and Israel can expand their territory. Real terrorists simply do not have the means nor knowhow to obtain and detonate a nuclear device in a large US metropolis. Israel runs this government but for the life of me I cannot figure out why because most politicians don't believe any of the crap in the Bible anyway.

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Only way to prevent the next one...
Posted by: keymanwst on Dec 16, 2008 8:12 AM   
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...is to arrest, try, convict and imprison the guys who did the last one. So simple! Just round up PNAC and a few others(read Crossing the Rubicon for a complete list) WOW! That was easy. Now on to the next question.

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Only way to prevent the next one...
Posted by: keymanwst on Dec 16, 2008 8:14 AM   
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...is to arrest, try, convict and imprison the guys who did the last one. So simple! Just round up PNAC and a few others(read Crossing the Rubicon for a complete list).
WOW! That was easy.
Now on to the next question.

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Teddy Bears - Forward, March!
Posted by: PaulK on Dec 16, 2008 8:42 AM   
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The United States Army is now equipping its ground troops in Iraq and in Afghanistan with teddy bears, dolls, soccer balls and candy to give out to kids. Soldiers go into the houses of local families and have tea with them.

The Army is slowly coming to the realization that wars are never won, they just go on and on for centuries if necessary. Only peace can be won. That means sending boots on the ground out to win peace.

Once our entire government realizes that the Army may be on to something, General Motors will swing into large-scale production of the M-2000 nuclear-proof bear. Eventually the state department will figure out that some, or most, bear soldiers need not lug a machine gun on their backs. The bear itself is the weapon of choice.

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What can we do to stop it? Stop kissing Israel's ass
Posted by: susann on Dec 16, 2008 8:49 AM   
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and treating it like the 51st state, and stop turning a blind eye toward the holocaust Israel is commiting on the Palestian people in Gaze.

The Muslim world doesn't hate the U.S. for being the U.S. - it hates the U.S. for always kissing Israel's ass.

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What are we thinking?
Posted by: symcokid on Dec 16, 2008 8:51 AM   
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Let's not fool ourselves, let's check with the ultimate expert on such matters, Der Bush and see what he might recommend - perhaps he might say, "bring 'em on".

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Self fulfilling proficy?
Posted by: weslen1 on Dec 16, 2008 8:57 AM   
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If our "wise men and women" in our government keep selling nuclear bombs to third world countries with the same dictatorship loving leaders like Bushco this WILL become a self fulfilling proficy.

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» RE: Self fulfilling proficy? Posted by: jstepp590
effective deterrance
Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 16, 2008 8:58 AM   
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We need an effective form of deterance, a system that prevents it as best as possible. Here is a possible one.

It is very easy to tell where nuclear weapons come from, down to the very time, plant and reactor the material was created. We require all nuclear countries to verify, support and facilitate the securing their material. Any country that doesn't goes on a targeting list and understands that if their material ends up in the wrong hands after offers to help them secure it there are no excuses. That way, if a terrorist group sets off nukes, we will be able to tell where it came from and destroy every city in that country of origin that didn't help to secure it and gave it to terrorists.

That is real deterance, proven in the cold war, not wishful thinking or wringing of hands. No country, no matter how ideological, is going to risk the total annihilation of their people and culture. Is it nice, no, but neither are these weapons. It is, however, proven to be effective.

The other thing we desperately need to do is resolve the points of conflict that breed these terrorists. We need to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian issue, Iran, Kashmir and other political BS once and for all. Terrorists exist at the pleasure of the common citizen, who support and shield them. If the common people no longer support them and are scared of the risk they represent they will turn them in to authorities. Once that happens, terrorists do not have the muscle to fight police, let alone military. Result, dead terrorists.

It is impossible to have 100% deterance but this is as close as I believe we will ever get.

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Read through the headlines...
Posted by: CHD on Dec 16, 2008 9:10 AM   
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The report says that a terrorist attack with either a nuclear or biological weapon is likely by 2013.

Well considering the US has already suffered a biological attack at the hands of one of its own scientists sending out anthrax in the post then yes they are probably right.

I don't know if they split the risk up in the report I'll have to read it to see if they do!

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Is this satire?
Posted by: chlamor on Dec 16, 2008 9:20 AM   
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Panel of so-called "experts" from the worst terrorist outfit on the planet, meaning the US National Security State, hyping up terrorist threat and dreaming of ways to prevent terrorism ,as wholly defined by them, without of course owning up to their own acts of constant terrorism throughout the world.

Step One: Lead by example you monstrous hypocrites. Put down your weapons first.

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since I was a kid...
Posted by: ellie on Dec 16, 2008 9:20 AM   
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have always lived under the threat of a nuke... remember as kids we had those drills where getting under our school desks was supposed to save out asses??? this threat is old news...

if the big one is coming, have always said I want a lawnchair on the roof, an ice cold beer, sunglasses and go with the first mushroom cloud... don't want to live past the impact explosion...

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» agree completely Posted by: veggiegrrrl
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Posted by: 876 on Dec 16, 2008 9:21 AM   
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I can’t fathom where you Americans get the audacity to decide you should nuke impoverished nations full of destitute people like Afghanistan Iraq or Vietnam. Are these impoverished people the thorn in the side of humanity or is it you Americans and your European adversaries? It is not enough that you use these impoverished nations as your battlegrounds, bringing your wars and competitions to our streets now you feel you should just nuke us as well. You are truly a special people. If anyone has to be nuked and destroyed, here’s hoping you Europeans finally destroy each other once and for all, not in the jungles of Vietnam or the mountains of Afghanistan but on the streets of Moscow and Washington. These are your brilliant technologies so it is only fitting that you suffer the consequences of your own actions. I love how these dangerous nuclear materials all happen to be in Russia by the way, never mind the ones in the US.

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» RE: 876 Posted by: BCcovers
» RE: SU Posted by: 876
Nuclear War
Posted by: Archie1954 on Dec 16, 2008 9:26 AM   
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I really hate to remind you that the US is the only country to have used nuclear weapons on the civilian population of another country and under Bush is the only nation to suggest that it would use nuclear weapons on another country in a pre emptive attack even if the other country did not have such weapons. So to put it mildly the US is the author of its own terrorist problems and could actually be considered to be the worst nuclear terrorist in the world. Bush unfortunately has a lot to answer for not the least of which is bringing the supreme danger to his own country. Over two thousand years ago a very wise scribe wrote that "those who live by the sword will die by the sword" and that scenario is being writ large today. You can't say that you weren't warned in the writings of an ancient book that many believe to be divinely inspired and yet you continue to create weapons of mass destruction and to threaten to use them against others. Honestly you are going to reap what you have sown and I just hope when it happens I personally am thousands of miles away.

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There must be a threat
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Dec 16, 2008 9:33 AM   
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a horror story, a monster, something lurking out there, to perpetuate our fears, to keep the war machine fed, to keep the wars going that feed the machine.

"unless the world community acts decisively and with great urgency"

How?

The man who threw shoes at Bush represents maybe half a world of people who would like to throw something stronger at him, at us. I truly hope that Obama will think peace, talk peace, negotiate peace, stop beating the war drums, stop playing into the hands of the warmongering defense establishment, stop spreading fear. For everyone who thinks he will change, like magic, upon being inaugurated, I hope they are right. I believe in Santa Claus too.

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» See what I mean? Posted by: Bliss Doubt
The rich need more
Posted by: Krain61 on Dec 16, 2008 9:47 AM   
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Thoughout history wars caused growth in economy's.And we are at that time.The roman's killed each others.Think about after every war there was a very big growth in economies.If I wanted to hit you the best way is through your pocket book or wallet..What's going on now is that but I'm not sure at this point if ALL enemies are outside the USA..Since most of the problems is caused by our own leaders though deregulation. The biggest employer in this country is defence.You know the military and the people who build for them.After 911 they our government put in things to protect us from who? Us agaist them because many of us know who is really against us..Our leaders and corporations. If they keep you broke your kids are more likely to join there army's and fight for there cause because yes they employ the most people..You will never ever see the American Government give up it's Nukes..Not in any life time unless there used up in battle.
Like I said thoughout history wars bring down the population and create growth...We are now at what almost 7 billion people..More than ever on this planet.The rich need new blood for the new wealth..

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The Broader View
Posted by: hopefilled on Dec 16, 2008 9:56 AM   
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Nuclear terrorism is only part of the issue. More than 2 dozen countries in the world have nuclear weapons and the materials to make them which are not secured in many cases. Nothing short of total nuclear disarmament by all countries in the world will make the world safe. One antiballisitic missle deployed and dropped on a major city will kill millions of people or hundreds of millions. There are sufficient weapons stockpiled today to render our planet devoid of all life. Fear is the normal response to such information however excellent leadership, thoughtful planning and diplomacy are the tools we need. The Nuclear Threat Initiative, led by Sam Nunn and others, has plans and ideas for moving forward. As for leadership, look to the near future. Obama is not the only man with a vision and the will to get things done.

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» RE: The Broader View Posted by: EncinoM
Wake Up
Posted by: Krain61 on Dec 16, 2008 10:15 AM   
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Who on here really thinks it's possible to get all countries to give up there nukes.
How many times have you been in a room and could get half the room to agree on what you was going to do or eat..Wake Up.Smell the roses while you still can

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For years I have taken shit from the terror nightmares but I am the Nightstallion!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Dec 16, 2008 10:13 AM   
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Your bombs don't scare me anymore boy! Your neither Christian nor Shaitan either! American Woman mother let me be, I don’t need none of false security! The Christian devil is a joke, good God Evil God what the bloody hell is wrong with you people! There is only one Creator to the universe and its name is God! No creature exists but what God had a hand in it.

Stop blaming god for your human problems YOU HUMANS created the problems not God. The Creator doesn’t give a rat’s ass whether you enjoy existence it is too busy creating other where. You are here to EXPERIENCE existence not please the Creator. It makes the sun to shine on the Good and the Wicked alike. You don’t like devils? Then don’t play their games! There is a reason for devils and it is to thin the heard. Start playing with them and YOU LOSE, not them.

I got real close and personal with one of your wars and lived through four others. That’s where the devil lives in your fornicating wars, SO STOP HAVING THEM! Here is Nightstallion at prime time!


Gosh durn the Funk Pump.
The funk punk is drunk.
Gosh durn the Funk Punk.
The Funk Pump is punk.
God Damn the Funk Punk.
The Funk punk is dead.
Hot damn the Funk Punk.
The Funk Pump is Fred.
Oh damn the Funk Punk.
He stink like a skunk.
He spend his life in years of tears.
And schluppin' up on all those beers,
denudes him of his class.
But damn the man is crass.
God Damn the Funk Pump.
The Funk Punk is Drunk!

© 2006 Nightstallion



THY MAD ELECT AGAIN!
It troubles me to say
The host will sing accord
Don’t want to be this way
There is one major ding
That’s in my Mind
It is not a fling
To see that you’re unkind
I have had my doubts
But it is truth I find
Let be some better bouts
Lord let me be correct
Save me from thy Elect.
There’s none so blind
Who will not see
And they all think
That that, is me
Only you have my respect
Restrain thy mad Elect.
Your son has said
To be like him
You’ll never know dead
Or feel the grim
Reapers skull like head
Be like a child instead
Just you know I am true
And as Jesus eyes were blue
From you I’ll not defect
May you stop thy fond Elect!
I’ve seen the witch hunts here
But to my surprised fear
Not thy word they direct
Save all from thy Elect!

© 2006 Nightstallion -

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You will learn the truth and the truth will free you.
Posted by: EJLima on Dec 16, 2008 11:06 AM   
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A most excellent article with references to match. Thank you Alexander.

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Legacy
Posted by: willymack on Dec 16, 2008 11:12 AM   
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The First Fool is hard at work on crafting a phony version of his sorry history for public consumption. Seems he wants folks to think kindly of him, after all. We can see how that's worked so far, what with the flying shoe incident in Iraq. The bush crime family is a lot of things; none of them good. As bad as he is, our nuclear policy, from Dr. Einstein's letter to President Roosevelt on the possibility of Germany working to develop a nuclear device, to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to the present day, makes bush look like a choir boy. This policy of selling the public on a nightmare nuclear scenario involving the Great Satin, the Soviet Union was used to bludgeon and blackmail our people and force a frightened Soviet state into economic ruin. Now, it seems there's another villian just biding his time before nuking one of our cities. Think about this for a minute. Why is it that the Soviet Union, even at the height of its power, didn't attack us, and when directly confronted by the US over the missiles in Cuba, hastened to dismantle them and take them off the island? It's because they knew damn well they'd LOSE any war with us. Their huge army and armament stockpile were a reaction to their tragic history and a well founded fear of US. It seems the nukes still have their coercive power to terrorize us and enable crooks like the bushies to extort our people into trading our Constitutional guarantees for more "security". You know what Ben Franklin had to say about that. In case you've forgotten, Russia (post Soviet) was willing to destroy ALL of its nukes in exchange for a promise from us to do the same. This was a good idea, based on good moral principles. No wonder it failed. It's way too late for bush to manufacture a phony past, but NOT TOO LATE for President Obama to begin a new era of reconciliation and friendly overtures to the rest of the world. Now that'd be a legacy worth the effort.

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DANGER
Posted by: cbishopp on Dec 16, 2008 11:15 AM   
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Of course there is the threat of some crazy ass getting a hold of a nuclear weapon and detonating it. It would be a terrible thing to witness. But who was really responsible for 9-11?? More people than not are coming to realize that it was not a rag tag collection of Arabs that acted alone with box cutters.
The fact is we are being manipulated and held hostage. Of course if we stand up and try to battle the REAL terrorists we will experience a terrorist attack. Why have there not been more attacks at home despite the carnage we have caused in Iraq and Afganistan? Because Bush and co. are good at their jobs?
Give me a break. Will Obama break the chain and actually promote peace? I don't think so.
More blood and more enemies are spilling out into the open every day and we are worried about our Christmas presents.
Terrorism exists but the main culprits are the leaders of our government in collusion with British and Israeli governments. Their influence has spread quickly and infiltrated the top positions of NATO as well.
We are not spreading Democracy we are spreading terrorism. Your tax dollars fund murder and rape and that is what our sons are doing in Iraq, not saving the day or making it safe.
I hate to be this direct but I am shocked at how blind we all pretend to be in the face of some of the most extreme imperialism this country has ever practiced.

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» RE: DANGER Posted by: MyLeftFoot
Quick Definition
Posted by: BCcovers on Dec 16, 2008 11:40 AM   
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Now I know that many people on these boards are not US citizens, or subjects of the crown for that matter so their grasp of English might be of the second-language variety. With that in mind, I'll do you guys a huge favor and teach you something so you can stop looking like absolute fools.

A terrorist, by definition is an individual unaffiliated with a government. In other words, their actions are not government authorized, sanctioned, etc. Therefore Bush cannot, by definition be a terrorist. Tyrant, despot, sure; any of those could apply, but terrorist does not. Simply by definition you sound like a fool when you say this. I've seen this across message boards on alternet and it's very annoying to me when someone misuses the English language so blatantly.

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» RE: Quick Definition Posted by: cbishopp
» RE:So is Israel! Posted by: GrannyBgood
Bullplop!!! Utter rubbish! Terrorist nukes my arse!
Posted by: Ghoulman on Dec 16, 2008 12:12 PM   
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I am aware Americans are cowards bombarded with nightly 'fear news', which "informs" Americans what to fear next, such as anyone not white, State Governors, Micheal Moore and that secret Muslim the President Elect, BUT really it's the height of propaganda fear mongering to believe that terrorists of ANY stripe might get their hands on a nuclear weapon. The most guarded, feared, coveted, complex, and expensive weapon the Earth has ever known.

Understand, the last terrorists to strike the US used boxcutters. BOXCUTTERS!!! To go from boxcutters to nukes is just incredible fear mongering on the level of UFO lizards are the Royal Family and Jews control the banks. It's garbage.

All of this fear comes from PR programs out of the Pentagon, and all of ONE crappy book written in the 80s (International Terrorism, or something. Can't remember title).

Grow up. Stop being so incredibly full of fear and stupidity America. Really, you guys are looking to the rest of us like a massive joke. We would be laughing if you weren't murdering millions for oil and giggles.

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Who's fighting What? The deadliest weapon is Fear not Nukes.
Posted by: common intelligence on Dec 16, 2008 12:12 PM   
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The great catch all "We", "They".
If fighting is going on before "we" are fighting, bombing it must be concisely determined who the "we" and "They" are and WHY there are "those" that would want to Nuke anyone.

If there is a Terrorist that wants to or is capable of doing the deadly action, It must be realized the motivation. 'That motivation is the thing that must be dealt with.

The motivation to commit immense acts of mass destruction is the same as that of domestic violence. It is a male role belief system learned and taught of righteous entitlement.

When the core issue is dealt with, the whole violent mind stream of humanity can be put to rest. But as long as fear driven people don't realize the source of their anger, which rests on a bed of fear, sadness and the pain caused by the ignorance of not knowing the truth, governments and societies that promote the male role belief system of domination of others, ( the macho factor), will keep pushing peoples fear button and justifying their power positions until someone backs down or retaliates because no one is listening.

We live in the world Tower of Babel. People do not understand each other nor comprehend the languages of each other which leads to non-understanding and misunderstandings. Hens, frustration of irreconcilable* grievances ( sound familiar?). Irreconcilable grievances are postures of unwilling compromise.

Could go on but does anyone really want to hear? You tell me? Seriously.

What I can say here to close though is the Military Industrial Complex, and Governments have vested interests to keep fear alive in the world in order to further their domination over the projected direction They "want the worlds societies to evolve toward.
They have bequeathed themselves as the hand of God for "they" have no faith in humanity to evolve beyond animals without "their" guiding hand.

As long as humanity lives within the confines of the structures that have been put in place by "them", They believe they can control the suicidal tendencies that would reduce the intelligence of humanity back to troglodyte natures. As well "they " have no hope for humanity except for the "chosen few" that might catapult the human genome into space where it could evolve "otherwise"!

Meanwhile the planet earth, our only habitable home in our reachable universe, is being decimated by the very actions "they" confide to.

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possible terorist nuclear attack.....
Posted by: xtiml on Dec 16, 2008 2:14 PM   
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hasnt this reporter got the message yet or news with views. the only terrorist is the governments of this world and their masters.blithley predicting such things and blaming the "terrorists" is just a dodge.They will use nuetron on any mass rebellion and they will use all their scalar wave,and bio tech to nano tech and even magical science to control,hypnotize,and keep us where ever they want us both mentally and physically, if one lets them ,although i hear some of the new mind control tech is virtually unstoppable. I cannot belive this because just because i hear a voice in my head saying this or that or telling me to do this or that, dont mean shit, I'll just pretend I am on acid and not react to anything passing through my mind, ya think?

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FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!
Posted by: leighsure on Dec 16, 2008 2:13 PM   
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What is it with the titles and captions that Alternet is giving to articles these days?

If anything, fear should be driving people TOWARD Obama's arms control agenda.

Did anybody notice that the Bushit Administration has agreed to provide knowledge and materials so that United Arab Emirates can have the same nuclear technology that Iran is trying to get for themselves. Hear those rattling sabers?

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ba
Posted by: mnstra on Dec 16, 2008 2:22 PM   
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more scare tactics to foster more shock doctrine and disaster capitalism. Dont be fooled by the report.......To be really safe in America, the country must get out of the terrorism business first...

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Sharing between nations = only real solution for trust
Posted by: global_commoner on Dec 16, 2008 3:31 PM   
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There is no way to use military might alone and guarantee security and peace.

So what's the next step forward for humanity?

An enlightened world teacher named Maitreya is about to tell us the only way out of our major problems is to establish justice through the sharing of food and resources on an international level. Not sharing your bank account or personal wealth, but wealthy nations sharing the excess of what they don't need with all the others. Specializing in commodities and pooling of resources...it makes so much more sense! It's so much more efficient that cut-throat market forces mentality of a few winners and many losers who starve to death or face extreme poverty and hardship.

Maitreya is about to emerge soon. Look for a bright star to appear in the sky, visible in daytime and at night. He will begin speaking on TV soon after, in a major news broadcast interview.

WakeUpMankind.org

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TOO MUCH????? NOT ENOUGH
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 4:40 PM   
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Tonight whilst walking home from one of the most amazing concerts We have ever seen in Central London ( The Tube and Bus Were Completely AMAZING as were all the People we met tonight )

There Is THIS MASSIVE POSTER Hand Written Over The Front Of A House Very Near Where We Live (Like Almost Opposite)

HAWKWIND Were FUCKING AMAZING

But The Poster Says

TOO MUCH????? NOT ENOUGH

What Does It Mean?

Tony

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Hurry On Sundown
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 5:09 PM   
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q59FntObgek

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You Ain't Going To Win Any Battles By Lobbing Grenades or Nuclear Bombs - But If You Lob Shoes
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 5:43 PM   
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You WIN

The Iraqi Journalist Muntadar al-Zaidi Is a Complete FUCKING Hero

Thank You So Much

Tony

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The Entire World Is Not Only NOW Going To Ensure That The Americans Keep Their Word Re SOFA
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 6:11 PM   
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But we Also Will Insist That He Is Released as A FREE Man

Of Course despite EVERYTHING The Americans Have Agreed With Their Puppets - They Didn't Think They Would Actually Have To Comply With

But Basically NOW YOU DO

You Not Only Have To Remove All Your Srmed Forces From Iraq - But The Only Remaining American Presence Will Be To Help Rebuild The Iraqi Infrastructure That You Have Destroyed - AND SCOUR The World For All The ANCIENT Iraq History Looted From Their Museums

And Say Sorry

And PRAY For Forgiveness

No One Wants To Destroy AMERICA

Americans Have Already Done It To Themselves And Probably Still Don't Even Have Any But The Slightest Idea Of What They Need To Do In Reperation To Gain The Forgiveness Of The Human Beings Who Live In The Rest Of The Planet

But There is Still Hope For Them Yet

Tony

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Americans Are Sometime In The Future Going To Be Considered NICE By The Rest Of The People Who Live
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 6:26 PM   
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On This Planet

The Sooner They Start Behaving Nicely The Faster It Will Happen

It will probably take 100 Years

Unless they get their act together quickly and stop bombing the world with all their weapons of mass destruction - both militarily and financially

Basically at The Moment

WE FUCKING HATE YOU

But are too polite to say to you how utterley disgusting we think you are

Well except the Guy with the Shoes

Tony

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The Rest Of The World Does Know - That You Are Totally Financially FUCKED
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 6:37 PM   
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And Sure We also Know That The Only Thing You Have Got is BRUTE FORCE to Destroy The Planet

Pretty Crap Negotiating Position Isn't It?

Just Lay Down Your Arms and Behave

No one thinks you are Brave

We just think You are Bullies

And in ENGLAND We Stand Up To Bullies and eventually they go back home crying to Mummy

We will start with Dick Cheney on Trial for War Crimes Against Humanity

Tony

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Buy Duct Tape and Plastic
Posted by: JohnJlws on Dec 16, 2008 6:43 PM   
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Can someone please point to a single thing these "experts" have gotten right since the war on "Tarrar" began?

We've ruined our economy, jeopardized our Constitution, turned the energy of our nation toward these cowards living in caves wearing dresses (or folks that happen to look like them that we don't like, like Saddam), and put our morals on hold all in the name of our "security."

Perhaps we should try being vigilant, but unafraid and realize there'll always be a Timothy McVeigh, an Osama bin Laden, or an Adolf Hitler in our world. Our goal should be to use all reasonable means to thwart as much of this threat as we can, but to keep from running around screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" every time another "expert" pulls a prediction from his ass and sells it not as the shit it is, but as perfume.

Either that or everyone grab a brick and run for the borders and let's seal off our nation. The key word is "reasonable."

Statistically I have a greater chance of being hit by a meteorite than I do of ever being touched by a tarrarist and yet I'm not walking around with a steel umbrella. "Reasonable." Good word.

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It's Time to Move Beyond Fear
Posted by: radical53 on Dec 16, 2008 6:44 PM   
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There are no experts on what human beings will do in the next 4-5 years. The idea that you can reduce it to a mathematical equation is absurd. I seem to remember similar projections that were made 5 or 6 years ago.

I've had enough of this fear-mongering nonsense. When I hear it now, I just laugh and move on to something else. The Reagan-Bush disciples represent the lunatic fringe. There is no good reason to take them seriously.

We have an opportunity to marginalize these folks just as they have done to progressives for the last 35 years. Stop viewing their propaganda, continue to vote in large numbers, get involved in making schools, progressive programs, and charities work, and stop wasting your time just because the rich and powerful want you to. If they get in your face, throw some shoes at them.

We can do better and we should get to work on it.

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And the 50,60,70 & 80 Year Olds Gather In LONDON at The Annual Hawkwind Christmas Concert
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 7:00 PM   
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And Dance Together With Our Zimmerframes

And Say To The American FASCISTS

FUCK OFF

And Most of Pink Floyd Are Already DEAD

And Most of HAWKWIND Are Still Not Only ALIVE

But Getting Married and FUCKING

Always Far Higher Quality

Pink Floyd Only Hinted At It

Hawkwind Do it For Real

Tony

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WE HAVE FUNDED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR HOMELAND SECURITY
Posted by: cori on Dec 16, 2008 7:04 PM   
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If people believe this will happen, we need to significantly beef up up security in our ports and borders. We need to put together a top notch intelligence force, not just listen in on Amiercians phone calls. We need to send teams to other nations to keep track of inventories and create plans to help populations in the event of an attack on this scale. But most of all we need to stop invading muslim nations and creating such intense rage that people want to destroy us. As one Canadian officer told me, we will never succeed in Afganistan. We need to beef up our diplomacy and offer people funding to help them not to kill them like we did with the kurds. If this is really true then all ten's of billions that were used to create Homeland Security is a complete waste.

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» When were Americans "nice"? Posted by: LeftWright
Americans Need To Travel To Europe And Discover Communities
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 7:47 PM   
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I Read so much about how so many American people who are living in their detached houses and their detached flats and detached mansions and detached existence from other human beings

Americans need to travel to Oldham - or any Greek Island out of season - or any part of rural Africa or India

There is a great big world out there outside of your television screens and computers

You have just got to travel in innocence and wonder to meet all the people who live on this planet and when you start really talking - even (maybe especially) when the language (spoken) and the culture is completely unknown to you...you realise that all human beings are exactly the same in their basic love and niceness and friendliness - if you come in peace and want to learn and discover then your life on this planet will be worthwhile because before you die you realise how completely and utterley totally beautiful and lovely is our human race.

Tony

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Whilst Queueing Up To Get In At The Astoria Tonight I Naturally Started Talking To The Ticket Touts
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 8:10 PM   
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In My Oldham Accent

And They Wanted To Know if I Wanted a Ticket To Go and see Hawkwind

I Couldn't Hide The Fact That I Already Had My Ticket and That There Was NO WAY it was for Sale

It Cost £20

So I was trying to work out what its resale value was

And because the Yanks have been incredibly successful at crashing the entire Financial System - Even at the End of Oxford Street in Central London

I reckon the touts wouldn't have given me 50p for my ticket

Yet The London Astoria Was Completely PACKED To Overflowing with Hawkwind Fans

Sure I had given some of the ticket touts a friendly chat and also the security guy at the entrance

I emptied my pockets - and said that is all I have got

He said - we ain't doing pocket security here - "But Have You Been Drinking?"

I admitted to one Can of Speckled Hen - and the security guy was giving me a hard time - but he let me through

So I was climbing the steps slowly and clumsily - and he said to my wife after She had been frisked by a lady security guard

Look at the state of him - he can hardly get up the stairs...

And my wife told the truth

He may seem a bit drunk - but he is slow getting up the starirs not because of the alcohol

Its because he hasn't had a decent joint in ages

When he has a smoke his muscular disability disappears and no one notices it - but apparently smoking cannabis is banned from Hawkwind Gigs at the Astoria

Tony

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I Do Have a Muscular Inherited Disease - Myatonia Congenita - And Got Banned For Saying The Truth
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 9:06 PM   
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From the Main Website In The World on The Subject

I Just said that my sister also had the disease - and took procainamide for it which almost completely eliminated the symptoms - and that I had spent several days at the age of 19 researching everything I could find out about the disease and the drug procainamide - and decided that I wasn't going to take the drugs

And I told my sister and why

And 20 years later my sister has got a most obscure carcinoid in her lungs (she never smoked)

And I saw her dying over a period of a few years

And I have never taken anything for my muscular disease

Well

I notice if I go away on holiday to a foreign country - for more than a week my body slowly closes up and I have difficulty walking - such that after 14 days - I had to ask my daughter to carry my bag on to the plane - and normally I feel so fit and healthy

But that is because of the plant

Cannabis

It Works

Not Just on Your Glycoma and Your Muscular Dystrophy - but also on My Myatonia Congenita - But I am not allowed to take it into a Hawkwind Gig

Or Post The Results of My Research and Experience on The Main Website in The World - Avout The Disease

And I also slagged off the drugs like Mexitili - closely connected to Procainamide - and Quoted a Book Deadly Medecine - Which was BRILLIANT Research into these heart related drugs - and how they shouldn't have got approved but did - and as a resuly over 500,000 people have died

And so maybe it ain't surprising that I got BANNED for 2 years

I have eventually been re-admitted but dare not say the truth - I haven't even hinted at it.

I just tell the Americans the real Reason that it is so endemic in certain remote regions of America - amd INCREDIBLY Rare in England and the rest Of The World

Its Because Americans Are Shagging Their Cousins

Tony

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Nuclear "Terrorist" Attack by 2013?
Posted by: induru on Dec 16, 2008 9:16 PM   
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What about a nuclear attack before the Inauguration? Such an attack would allow the Bush regime to declare martial law (indefinitely), suspend what is left of the Constitution (indefinitely), suspend the Inauguration, and blame a country of choice in order to justify another war, possibly against Iran, but also possibly against Russia and China. Best of all, the Bushists would be permanent dictators! Since 9-11 was an inside job, the next attack will likely be so, also.

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One way...
Posted by: SamThornton on Dec 16, 2008 9:18 PM   
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...to prevent those darned terrorists from nuking us is to make sure they don't get hold of one of those B-52s.

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TheMuscular Disease I Have Is So Rare That My Brother and Sister Are The Only People I Have Ever Met
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 16, 2008 9:30 PM   
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Who Have It

There is Absolutely NO TRACE Or Evidence of Anyone Else Having This Disease in All My Family I have traced going both up and down several generations

None of our kids have any trace whatsover - and are exceedingly muscularly active

The thing is

BOTH Parents Need to have the same Genetic Defect - for it to be passed on.

If Our Kids Don't Have Sex With Anyone who is in ANY Way related to our family and genetic history - the chance of Their kids inheriting the muscular disease I have is well over a Million to One

My Older Brother's Wife had researched this in detail

She Is a Geneticist

Well Her Degree Was in Genetics - and She Worked at Christies

So I Reckon All Her 4 Kids and their kids should (and are) - well probably be a bit mad - but myotonia congenita free

And that reminds me - we have not yet brought a present for the latest Great Grandchild

Sure We Fuck Like Fuck and Make Babies

What the Fuck Do You Do - Wank To Porn?

Tony

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billions of $$$$ wanted
Posted by: richholland on Dec 16, 2008 10:53 PM   
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to start investigations re the Invisible Braineating Terrorists from outer space.

thousands of young american people travel outside of USA.
This is a threat to the Republican Party.
The youngsters discover the sickness of a corrupt system that gives money to the Rich and steal from the workers.
So the Government needs to implement fear in your brain.

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Check the source, please!
Posted by: toddly on Dec 16, 2008 11:59 PM   
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This article on nuclear terrorism was prompted by a recent, widely published wire service article entitled "Megaterror Attack Likely By 2013, Say Experts." The experts in question are a bunch of assembled suits put together by --can you guess?-- the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The ranking member on the "commission" is Harvard's Graham Allison.

Okay, so? What was that last big attack we had in this country? Oh yeah, 9-11. And who penned the official cover-up of that false flag attack? Phillip Zelikow, who was in constant contact with Karl Rove during the entire 9-11 Commission "investigation." Well, it just so happens that Graham Allison coauthored a book with Zelikow back in 2004. But we need not rely on simple guilt by association.

Mr. Allison is also a CFR member as well as one of the 325 members of the Trilateral Commission, and his "commission" of terrorism experts are all closely linked to CFR.

In case you're not familiar with the CFR, they are the ones who really run things. (Where have you been living for the past 98 years?) And they've had this big scheme for awhile to create a global (corporate elite-run) government. And they've been pretty successful at moving their agenda forward, with one snag: The American people wouldn't simply go along with it.

So, we needed to conjure up some terrorists and get folks all riled up. Orchestrate an economic collapse, etc. And now, apparently, they think that once a US city gets nuked by terrorists that the American people will be ready to submit to our new rulers, uh, I mean to the benevolent bankers, uh I mean leaders of our wondrous sparkly one world government.

As top CFR strategist Henry Kissinger has so eloquently put it: "Today, America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow, they will be grateful! This would especially be true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by a World Government."

So that's what all this silly talk of a nuclear attack is really all about. Will they go through with it? I suspect they are plenty capable of mass murder. The really strange thing though is that there are 3000 very esteemed Americans who are members of CFR, and they know what is being planned. Probably none of them feels as if they can stop the CFR hawks. But when they are predicting 3 million dead, you've got to guess it's giving some of them unsettling dreams.

If you think this sounds silly, paranoid, delusional, just check it out for yourself. They're preparing us, priming us. CFR member Nicholaus Rockefeller foretold his friend Aaron Russo about the planned 9-11 terrorist attack. Now Biden, Powell, Cheney, and "experts" are telling us we're going to be hit (tested). I'm guessing we won't see any of the 3000 CFR members killed in the coming attack. I suppose we'll see.

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» I'm giving this a "10" Posted by: edgeofnowhere
terrorstorm
Posted by: uncleeddie on Dec 17, 2008 5:37 AM   
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Watch terrorstorm by Alex Jones and realize who the real threat to the world is and has always been.

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Joined at the hip with Israel?
Posted by: GrannyBgood on Dec 19, 2008 7:31 AM   
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I suggest that it is Israel who is the biggest loose cannon in the world, and our danger is directly related to our too-close, slavish relationship with them.
They won't even admit how many nukes they have, (tried for the longest time to deny having any..most were stolen from US!) but it is generally accepted that they have more than twenty..plenty enough to start WWII and the entire world's annihilation!
No attempts at peace and non-proliferation will succeed until we have that radical Zion-ectomy!

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» RE: That would be WWIII, of course Posted by: GrannyBgood
» We're in WWIV now, GrannyBgood Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: and I meant "Over 200 Nukes" Posted by: GrannyBgood
MANY WONDER IF BUSH OR CHANEY MIGHT DO IT THEMSELVES
Posted by: cori on Dec 21, 2008 8:56 PM   
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Many people I speak to are afraid that the Neo Cons would arrange a nuclear attack just to win back their power. It would be a big see I told you so, Democrats are weak on terror trick. And I wouldn't put it past this cult. If they would lie about going to war in Iraq and kill perhaps a million for oil what wouldn't they do to get back in power? There was a documentary called the "Christian Embassy". It was on Truthout.org and how the Pentagon is now run by Evangelicals who believe in end times and they were interviewed in uniform. One has to wonder how far they will go if they believe the means justifies the ends. But all I can say is Obama better get some good moles inside the Pentagon and beef up radioactive detection in our ports and on our borders and I don't mean a 700 mile fence. I mean patrols. And we should have independent inspectors watching over our Plutonium stock piles and power plants.

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