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That Was No Small War in Georgia -- It Was the Beginning of the End of the American Empire
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(This article was published in the final issue of Radar magazine, which was bought out and shuttered just as this issue went to print. This is the first online publication of this article. It has been updated by the author.)
Tskhinvali, South Ossetia -- On the sunny afternoon of August 14, a Russian army colonel named Igor Konashenko is standing triumphantly at a street corner at the northern edge of Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, his forearm bandaged from a minor battle injury. The spot marks the furthest point of the Georgian army's advance before it was summarily crushed by the Russians a few days earlier. "Twelve Georgian battalions invaded Tskhinvali, backed by columns of tanks, armored personal carriers, jets, and helicopters," he says, happily waving at the wreckage, craters, and bombed-out buildings around us. "You see how well they fought, with all their great American training -- they abandoned their tanks in the heat of the battle and fled."
Konashenko pulls a green compass out of his shirt pocket and opens it. It's a U.S. military model. "This is a little trophy -- a gift from one of my soldiers," he says. "Everything that the Georgians left behind, I mean everything, was American. All the guns, grenades, uniforms, boots, food rations -- they just left it all. Our boys stuffed themselves on the food," he adds slyly. "It was tasty." The booty, according to Konashenko, also included 65 intact tanks outfitted with the latest NATO and American (as well as Israeli) technology.
Technically, we are standing within the borders of Georgia, which over the last five years has gone from being an ally to the United States to a neocon proxy regime. But there are no Georgians to be seen in this breakaway region -- not unless you count the bloated corpses still lying in the dirt roads. Most of the 70,000 or so people who live in South Ossetia never liked the idea of being part of Georgia. During the violent land scramble that occurred after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the South Ossetians found themselves cut off from their ethnic kin in North Ossetia, which remained part of Russia. The Russians, who've had a small peacekeeping force here since 1992, managed to keep the brewing conflicts on ice for the last 15 years. But in the meantime, the positions of everyone involved hardened. The Georgians weren't happy about the idea of losing a big chunk of territory. The Ossetians, an ethnic Persian tribe, were more adamant than ever about joining Russia, their traditional ally and protector.
The tense but relatively stable situation blew up late in the evening of August 7, when on the order of president Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia's army swept into South Ossetia, leveling much of Tskhinvali and surrounding villages and sending some 30,000 refugees fleeing north into Russia. Within hours, Russia's de facto czar Vladimir Putin counterattacked -- some say he'd set a trap -- and by the end of that long weekend the Georgians were in panicked retreat. The Russian army then pushed straight through South Ossetia and deep into Georgia proper, halting less than an hour's drive from Saakashvili's luxurious palace. All around me is evidence of a rout. A Georgian T-72 tank turret is wedged into the side of a local university building, projecting from the concrete like a cookie pressed into ice cream. Fifty yards away you can see the remains of the vehicle that the orphaned turret originally was part of: just a few charred parts around a hole in the street, and a section of tread lying flat on the sidewalk. Russian tanks now patrol the city unopposed, each one as loud as an Einstrzende Neubauten concert, clouding the air with leaded exhaust as they rumble past us.
But listening to Colonel Konashenko, it becomes clear to me that I'm looking at more than just the smoldering remains of battle in an obscure regional war: This spot is ground zero for an epic historical shift. The dead tanks are American-upgraded, as are the spent 40mm grenade shells that one spetznaz soldier shows me. The bloated bodies on the ground are American-trained Georgian soldiers who have been stripped of their American-issue uniforms. And yet, there is no American cavalry on the way. For years now, everyone from Pat Buchanan to hybrid-powered hippies have been warning that America would suddenly find itself on a historical downslope from having been too reckless, too profligate, and too arrogant as an unopposed superpower. Even decent patriotic folk were starting to worry that America was suffering from a classic case of Celebrity Personality Disorder, becoming a nation of Tom Cruise party-dicks dancing in our socks over every corner and every culture in the world, lip-synching about freedom as we plunged headfirst into as much risky business as we could mismanage. And now, bleeding money from endless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we're a sick giant hooked on ever-pricier doses of oil paid for with a currency few people want anymore. In the history books of the future, I would wager that this very spot in Tskhinvali will be remembered as both the geographic highwater mark of the American empire, and the place where it all started to fall apart.
I first visited Georgia in 2002 to cover the arrival of American military advisers. At the time, the American empire was riding high. A decade after the Soviet Union's collapse, Russia seemed to be devolving into an anarchic and corrupt failed state, while the U.S. just kept getting stronger. Within months of President George W. Bush's swearing-in, Time ran a column boasting that America didn't need to accommodate Russia anymore because it had become "the dominant power in the world, more dominant than any since Rome." That same year we invaded Afghanistan without breaking a sweat. The New York Times magazine proclaimed: "The American Empire: Get Used to It." A new word, hyperpower, was being used to describe our history-warping supremacy.
The military advisers were dispatched to Georgia ostensibly to train that country's forces to fight local Al Qaeda cells, which everyone knew didn't exist. In reality, we were training them for key imperial outsourcing duties. Georgia would do for the American Empire what Mumbai call centers did for Delta Airlines: deliver greater returns at a fraction of the cost. They became a flagship franchise of America Inc. It made sense for the Georgians, too: Their erratic and occasionally violent neighbor Russia wouldn't fuck with them, because fucking with them would be fucking with us -- and nobody would dare to do that.
The imperial masterminds who fixated on Georgia as an outsourcing project must have figured we'd score a two-fer by simultaneously winning strategic control of the untapped oil in the region and also managing to stick a giant bug up the raw southern rim of our decrepit old rival Russia.
To enact this plan, America deftly organized and orchestrated the so-called Rose Revolution, which I witnessed in Tblisi in 2003. Saakkashvili's predecessor, Eduard Shevardnadze, was judged unreliable, so in a multilayered soft putsch that used every lever of influence at our disposal, the U.S. replaced him with Saakashvili, a Columbia-educated hothead who speaks perfect neocon. In the Western media, the Rose Revolution was portrayed as 1776 redux (starring Saakashvili as George Washington with a permanent five o'clock shadow). A more perfect vassal for George W. Bush's foreign policy could not have been found than "Misha," as he is fondly known. He stacked his cabinet with young right-wing fanatics, and made sure he had a coterie of mountain-biking American advisers with him at all times. This crew included John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann, whom Misha paid more than $1 million in lobbying fees.
This project in Georgia was just a high-profile example of a broader Bush strategy. All around Russia's southern border, America laid claim to former Soviet domains. After 9/11, Putin infuriated many of his army commanders and security chiefs by agreeing to let the U.S. set up bases in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan for the Afghan invasion. Once the Taliban was removed from power, America decided that it felt like staying. After all, who was going stop us? Given the sorry state of their affairs, the Russians certainly weren't. So by 2002, Putin was stuck with American pie dripping down his cadaverous bloodless face. But after years in which Russia rebuilt itself on the back of soaring commodity prices (today it's the world's largest producer of oil), our advantages in global power politics have started to tilt Putin's way. Slowly and quietly he got American forces thrown out of Uzbekistan and all but sidelined in Kyrgyzstan. And then, here in Georgia, he seized the opportunity to really hammer home his point.
During my visit to Georgia in 2003, if someone had told me that in five years American military advisers would be hightailing it from their main base in Vasiani to avoid getting slaughtered by advancing Russian forces, I would have slapped him with a rubber chicken for insulting my intelligence. Yet there they were: gasping for air in the lobby of the Tblisi Sheraton, insisting off the record that the conflict was all the Georgians' fault, not theirs.
Why Misha decided to attack is still a mystery. He claims he was forced to level Tskhinvali to preempt a Russian invasion, but that doesn't make military sense, and has since been debunked by both Georgians and OSCE monitors on the ground; others believe that he struck because, with Bush on his way out, he thought this would be his last chance to regain control of South Ossetia. Another theory popular among journalists and pundits is that the notoriously "hotheaded" (some would say "mentally unstable") Saakashvili was suckered into his doomed invasion by a clever Russian ruse, part of Putin's plan to punish the West for recognizing Kosovo and other crimes of imperial insensitivity. Personally, I'd vote for number two. (Putin has offered an alternative hypothesis: that Misha intentionally sparked a war in order to boost John McCain's prospects in the U.S. election.) Prior to the offensive of August 7, Georgians cut off Russian television and Internet sites in South Ossetia, then rained Grad rockets and artillery on the capital and surrounding villages. The early-hours blitz was, as one Ossetian told me the day before, "shock and awe." At least half the population fled into Russia. People I spoke to in the refugee camps, mostly women, were still in a daze -- they told of fleeing their burning villages under fire, of Georgians raping and murdering, of grenades thrown into civilian bomb shelters, of tanks running over children. (It was impossible to corroborate these individual stories, as is generally the case in trying to sift fact from inflamed rumor in refugee camps.)
Reliable casualty counts for the broader conflict are still all but impossible to get, but as of late August the Russians admit having lost 64 soldiers, and the Georgians a combined 215 soldiers and civilians. In both cases, the real number is probably much higher. On the civilian front, Ossetian sources claim that 1,500 were killed in the Georgian assault -- Putin called it a "genocide" -- but many Westerners dismiss that figure.
Privately, however, American advisers and defeated Georgian commanders admit to "total defeat." Indeed, Arkady Ostrovsky of the Economist, a British reporter who has long been close to Saakashvili, told me that on the day of the cease-fire, the Georgian leader spoke of shooting himself, and was only dissuaded when word came of a supportive statement by Condi Rice. "It was sad to watch," Ostrovsky told me. "I should have been more critical of Saakashvili back when it might have counted. A lot of us should have."
That's exactly the kind of full-spectrum smackdown the Russians were aiming for. And Konashenko wants us all to see it, so he offers to take me and some other reporters to the city of Gori in occupied Georgia. Russia seized control of the city at the end of hostilities, essentially cutting its foe in two and leaving it exposed to Vladimir Putin's whims. "We'll show you Gori -- the city is spotless," Konashenko says cheerfully. "We could have destroyed it, but we didn't. Of course, there's a little bit of damage here and there"
The next morning, I head toward Georgia in the back of a Russian army truck, winding through the countryside of South Ossetia. Many villages have been burned and completely leveled. In the minority ethnic- Georgian communities, the sour odor of death hangs in the air, as those who survived the Ossetians' reprisal attacks had little time to bury their dead friends and relatives.
When we arrive in Gori, the locals seem unnerved by our presence. They shy away as aggressive reporters point cameras and pursue them along the cobblestone streets for a quote. At first, some say that they are grateful that the Russian forces are there to protect them from marauding Ossetian and Chechen irregulars, who had swept through parts of Georgia murdering civilians and looting homes before the Russians arrived. After a half hour, the Georgians we talk with get used to our presence. A few summon the nerve to quietly pull me aside and whisper things like, "Are the Russians ever going to leave?" and "We don't have any information here. Is this going to be Russian territory forever?"
In Gori's vast central square there is shattered glass on the sidewalks, but as Konashenko promised, the city is largely intact. It is also starkly empty, as if a virus or neutron bomb had wiped out the civilian population. Most of the city's inhabitants have long since fled to Tblisi, along with the soldiers.
As we hop out of the army trucks, one of the Russian commanders points to a limp banner flying at half-mast over the polished-granite administration building on the far side of the square, "You see?" he says. "The Georgian flag is still flying. This is Georgian territory -- we're not annexing it like the media says." This kind of boast, conquering a country and then making a big noble show of respecting its sovereignty, was something that had once been reserved for America's forces. How quickly history has turned here.
The other Western journalists fan out for some atrocity hunting, digging for signs that the Russians might have dropped a cluster bomb or massacred civilians. The foreign-desk editors back home have been demanding proof of Russian evil, after largely ignoring Georgia's war crimes in South Ossetia. It's a sordid business, but the reporters are just following orders.
After an hour in the 90-degree heat, I head over to the city's central square, where I stumble across a stunning spectacle: dozens of Russian soldiers doing a funky-chicken victory dance in the Georgian end zone. They're clowning around euphorically, shooting souvenir photos of each other in front of the administration building and the statue of Stalin (Gori's most famous native son) while their commanders lean back and laugh. I approach Lieutenant Colonel Andrei Bobrun, assistant commander of the Russian land forces' North Caucasus Military District -- the roughest neighborhood in Western Eurasia -- and ask him how he feels now, as a victorious military leader in a proxy war with America.
"I have never been so proud of Russia -- magnificent Russia!" Bobrun crows, an AK strapped over his shoulder. "For twenty years we just talked and talked, blabbed and blabbed, complained and complained. But we did nothing, while America ran wild and took everything it could. Twenty years of empty talk. Now Russia is back. And you see how great Russia is. Look around you -- we're not trying to annex this land. What the fuck do I need Georgia for? Russia could keep this, but what for? Hell, we could conquer the whole world if we wanted to. That's a fact. It was Russia that saved Europe from Genghis Khan. Russia could have taken India and the Middle East. We could take anything -- we took Alaska, we took California. There is nothing that Russia could not take, and now the world is being reminded again."
"Why did you give California back?" I asked. It has always baffled me why a country would abandon prime coastal real estate for the frozen swamps of Siberia -- I always assumed it was because the Russians were ashamed when they found themselves holding onto a chunk of this planet as perfect as California: like B-list nerds who successfully crash a Vanity Fair Oscar party, but within minutes of their little triumph, skulk out of the tent out of sheer embarrassment, knowing they never belonged there in the first place.
"We gave it all back because we don't need it," Borisov boasted, puffing out his chest. "Russia has enough land, what the hell do we need more for. But if others want to start something, this is what will happen. Russia is back, and I am so proud."
As the day wore on, the Kremlin press pool organizers finally rounded us up, and we headed back again along the same victory trail. It was on this second visit to ruins of Tskhinvali, as dusk approached and the violence seemed to already acquire a kind of abstract tone, that I started to realize that I was looking at something much bigger than the current debate about Russian aggression or who was more guilty of what -- pulling the camera much farther back on this scene, I understood that I was looking at the first ruins of America's imperial decline. It's not an easy thing to spot. It took years after the real collapse for Russians to finally accept that awful reality, and to adjust accordingly, first by retrenching, not overplaying an empty hand, slowly building up without making any loud noises while America ran wild around the world bankrupting itself and bleeding dry.
And now it's over for us. That's clear on the ground. But it will be years before America's political elite even begins to grasp this fact. In the meantime, Russia is drunk on its victory and the possibilities that it might imply, sending its recently-independent neighbors into a kind of frenzied animal panic. Experience has taught them that it's moments like these when Russia's near abroad becomes, once again, a blood-soaked doormat in the violent epochal shifts -- history never stopped here, it just froze up for a decade or so. And now it's thawing, bringing with it the familiar stench of bloated bodies, burned rubble, and the sour sweat of Russian infantry.
We have entered a dangerous moment in history -- America in decline is reacting hysterically, woofing and screeching and throwing a tantrum, desperate to prove that it still has teeth. Which it does -- but not in the old dominant way that America wants or believes itself to be. History shows that it's at this moment, tipping into decline and humiliation, when the worst decisions are made, so idiotically destructive that they'll make the Iraq campaign look like a mere training exercise fender-bender by comparison.
Russia, meanwhile, is as high as a Hollywood speedballer from its victory. Putting the two together in the same room -- speedballing Russia and violently bad-tripping America -- is a recipe for serious disaster. If we're lucky, we'll survive the humiliating decline and settle into the new reality without causing too much damage to ourselves or the rest of the world. But when that awful moment arrives where the cognitive dissonance snaps hard, it will be an epic struggle to come to our senses in time to prevent the William Kristols, Max Boots and Robert Kagans from leading us into a nuclear holocaust which, they will assure us, we can win against Russia, thanks to our technological superiority. If only we have the will, they'll tell us, we can win once and for all.
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Dec 13, 2008 3:25 AM
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now, Afghanistan just might be if we are not careful to get embroiled like Russia did!
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Dec 13, 2008 3:53 AM
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1 What were Dubya and Ras-Putin chuckling about so joyously for all the world to see on television in Peking 24 hours after the Georgians were being crushed?
2 Out of all the despots, princes, presidents, sheikhs, shamans and shams gathered in Peking, how did it happen that these two monsters were seated side by side?
3 What was Bush doing in Peking for four days?
4 Why did nobody in the enormous press corps notice these curious matters?
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Posted by: bobwa8bcx on Dec 13, 2008 4:54 AM
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The first step was the pre-emptive attack on Iraq based on known lies by the Bush administration. Since that point in time, we have seen the U. S. under Bush/Cheney trample the freedoms, liberties, justice and civil rights of not only people world-wide, but its own citizens.
No more does the U. S. have the "high ground" of moral righteousness. No more does the U. S. have as its moral code the greater good for the greater number. No more does the U. S. stand for truth, liberty, justice and fair-play. No more does the U. S. support and protect the "underdog".
Michelle Obama was correct. Only after Barack's election can we take a small measure of pride in the U. S. once again. Too bad it won't last.
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Posted by: xvictor on Dec 13, 2008 5:16 AM
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Russia was under Mongol control for around a hundred years. However, thanks to stability in the Mongol empire and good roads, Russia actually prospered under their rule.
It is said had the Mongols resumed their conquest mode in Europe, NOTHING would have stopped them from reaching the French Atlantic coast.
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Posted by: weathered on Dec 13, 2008 5:47 AM
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See this link w/Israel for what it is, extortion.
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Posted by: sonofloud on Dec 13, 2008 6:34 AM
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Military might cannot solve every problem and considering China owns a good chuck of this country and it's debt, I'd say it's only a matter of time.
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Posted by: Hans B on Dec 13, 2008 6:58 AM
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Anyway, what empire? It seems to me that American power has always been at its highest precisely at times when the US did not seek empire, and used its clout to further international order and construction. And when the resulting influence, combined with the US's enormous military power, led politicians and pundits to become arrogant and administrations to overreach, the house came crashing down on their heads. And so on.
There is something in America that is incompatible with empire. (In fact I'd say this is generally true for democracies, except in cases - like the British Empire - where the mother-country acceptance of oppressive and violent colonial government can be explained by racism.) Here's betting that US power and influence will increase, not decrease, over the next four years.
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Posted by: Scalpel on Dec 13, 2008 7:48 AM
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While I don't disagree with the author on how Georgia was a sign of declining American influence or that Iraq was actually the first step to that decline, it is way too soon to make any definitive conclusions on where the political situation of America or the planet is going. It's worth keeping in mind that a good deal of this is predicated on the assumption that the enviromental meltdown of the planet won't play a role in events. That is a mistake. Peter David put it better than I ever could when he wrote: "As so-called masters of this planet, we're always so impressed by what we ourselves create. The buildings, the monuments, the ingenious devices. And then, every so often, our world decides to show us who's boss."
I am quite certain that there are other x-factors that are currently being under-reported, discounted, or otherwise ignored. Even when it comes to our doomsday scenarios, our prejudices show through (my personal favorite in the global disaster category is a naturally-generated infectious pandemic on the order of the Black Plague or the Spanish Flu). Too many of us can't accept, be they Christian, atheist, or otherwise, that there will always be things outside of any human's control. Human power of any kind has limits on it.
For right now, let's just be thankful that we got out of the 20th century alive and watch EVERYTHING--not just our favorite peeves--and see where it goes.
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Posted by: jshubbub on Dec 13, 2008 7:59 AM
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I'm not going to dispute that the Georgians were ill-advised (to put it mildly) in what they did. It was a blatant provocation of the Russians, and Georgia thought NATO--especially the U.S.--would back them up since we had trained and supplied them. Other than sternly-worded statements, we didn't, and we all know how things ended.
At worst, the U.S. has a little egg on its face over this thing. Russia thought they had won a strategic victory until the collapse of oil prices started making them rethink their muscle-flexing. This thing has amounted to little more than a dust-up between Russian and Western interests. As a concession, I imagine the territorial issues will be negotiated to Russia's satisfaction, and Georgia--with its newly-defined borders--will be admitted to NATO along with the Ukraine.
If we're really smart then we'll figure out a way to rope Russia into NATO and start working toward reforms on both sides as allies instead of as adversaries. Ah, who am I kidding? We'd never be that forward-looking. Would we?
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Posted by: tmgibs on Dec 13, 2008 9:56 AM
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The area known today and for the last 80 years as "Georgia" is occupied by seven tribes that used to live harmoniously with each other, intermarry, and cooperate economically. World politics and the rise of Stalin as the premier of the Soviet Union led to the formation of the current state. Stalin a "Georgian" gave power over the other tribes to his group, apparently as some sort of payback. Georgina committed genocide with the Abhkaz reducing their population by 2/3 and almost succeeded in eliminating them entirely.
Some regions like Abkhazia are relatively remote and divided from the rest of the country by almost impassable hills. When 21st century geopolitics thrust these countries forward as part of the Bush/Cheney oil wars their puppet, their puppet government was given the means, if not the ability, to secure the large oil and gas pipelines that pass through that country. This was all about the oil as the Bush/Cheney criminal organization went to war around the world to secure oil pipelines in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Georgia. The results of the Bush/Cheneys wars has been devastating not only for the populations that we "liberated" but economically here at home as well. It will take several decade to recover from the economic disaster that we are inheriting from this group of people that so easily manipulated the press and duped their own supporters as they pillaged our economy and good name for the sake of greed and power to benefit a tiny segment of powerful interest that were desperately trying to maintain the status quo of a carbon based economy whose death is not only necessary but now even more difficult to accomplish because of the legacy they have left us.
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Posted by: SevenStarHand on Dec 13, 2008 10:24 AM
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The Vatican-N.W.O. gang of thugs orchestrated the Russia-Georgia war to distract everyone from the truth, which they desperately fear !!! It was planned for some time and several world leaders worked hand-in-hand to present this evil theatrical production. They started this deceptive war between Russia and Georgia on 8/8/2008, when many were expecting some sort of 8/8/08 event. Using the Olympics as cover was itself merely a smokescreen to hide the true purposes. Why are they so desperate to have pulled such a transparent stunt?
Many have scoffed at my assertions in recent years, but now the time has arrived to prove who the real fools are !!! Pay very close attention. I have given you the ability to understand that these events were orchestrated from behind the veil maintained by the Vatican and its secret-society cohorts, because they are very desperate now. I know this is a lot to ingest, but all of our futures are now at stake.
Please make the time to understand this now, so you can help others discern the truth.
Peace and Wisdom...
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Dec 13, 2008 10:41 AM
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- The US economy is in the dumper.
- The US owes money to the World.
- People who OWE MONEY really have to pay the Piper any way the Piper wants it...
Guess who is about to become the Goon Squad for every petty dictator & every other agency that can swing influence over that debt?
wakey-wakey.
"Moody's: U.S. rating could be pressured in long term"
The sickening part is that Canada seems to still believe trailing behind the US NeoCon agenda is a wonderful thing.
Ignatieff?
Harper?
Jebus, I feel sick...
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Posted by: avatar_singh on Dec 13, 2008 11:25 AM
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the world will trejoice at the end of american and aemnpire and at end of british machinations done through american empire.
. Moreover, they all generally accept the false notion that the British hand in world affairs has been vastly reduced, and that the impulse towards empire has been abandoned or suppressed, due to England's "diminished" condition. One need only read the inserted special report in the Feb. 3, 2007 edition of the Economist to recognize that the City of London is now celebrating "another British imperial moment," centered around the successful promulgation of yet another devastating myth: that globalization is an irreversible, driving force in world economic and political affairs.
The project documented by Professor Quigley, involved the philosophical assault on the American republican outlook, and the gradual establishment of an alternative ideology, based on the "Anglo-American" or "English-speaking" vision of the world. This so-called "Anglo-American" vision was, in fact, the outlook of the Venetian Party of Anglo-Dutch bankers and aristocrats, who believed in world government, under the control of a tiny elite. That this is the antithesis of the American System outlook is self-evident to anyone who has studied the history of the American Revolution, the Constitutional Convention, the evolution of an American school of foreign policy by John Quincy Adams, and the development of the American System of political economy of Alexander Hamilton and Mathew and Henry Carey.
The obliteration of the true history of the United States, and its replacement with a false history of Anglo-American shared world vision ("free trade and democracy") is, perhaps, one of the greatest and most underestimated achievements of the conspirators profiled by Quigley. Unfortunately, in his Anglo-American Establishment, Quigley himself fails to draw out the fundamental distinctions between the American and British systems, and thus misses the most fundamental point of his otherwise most valuable exercise in historiography.
The Venetian System
5th june 2007.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/
The Western reaction to the words of Vladimir Putin is, as predictable, immature, ignorant, jingoistic and biased, since it does nothing to analyse the causes of Russia’s reaction to what can only constitute a provocation. This is a criical moment in the history of Europe and the world, and one which requires more diplomacy, dialogue and debate than drum-beating and harking back to Cold War rhetoric.
To every action, there is a reaction. This is a basic law of physics and one which is so patently obvious, it goes without saying. Not so, however, for a huge number of western Press outlets which seized upon the words of President Vladimir Putin regarding pointing missiles at Europe in response to the USA’s belligerent, aggressive and antagonistic attitude towards international relations, painting Russia as a threat and saying nothing about the causes and origins of Moscow’s stance.
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Posted by: Ray Duray on Dec 13, 2008 3:42 PM
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NPR recently featured a curious item entitled "Military Plans New Supply Lines Into Afghanistan". Curious in the sense that as Pakistan is increasingly destabilized and hostile toward Anglo-American empire building on the Afghanistan front in the New Great Game/Old Eurasian War, a resuscitated land bridge to the Afghan war zone is being re-conceived by the logisticians in the Pentagon, mimicking the same routes that were allowed by the Russians and the leaders of the 'Stans in late 2001.
What is so curious about this situation is that one would think the Russians might be a bit peeved about U.S. meddling in their sphere of influence. Allowing the U.S. military to use Georgia as a staging area for provisioning an escalation of hostilities in Afghanistan seems counter-intuitive. Perhaps Putin and Medvedev are recalling the wisdom of Zbig Brzezinski and Jimmie Carter in seducing the Soviets into a hot war in Afghanistan starting in December, 1979. Could Putin be setting a trap for the Pentagon planners? That would be my guess. America appears poised for the destruction of its economic hegemony over the world. Yet the hubris of our elites won't lead to a retrenchment and a return to our isolationist past. Like a cancer, the curse of imperialistic megalomania has infected America's elites, and as humanity should know by now, there is no cure for this madness short of the death of those so afflicted. Either from natural causes, like gunshot wounds, or by means of bankruptcy. I'm predicting such a mixed economy of insolvent seppuku to mire Obamania in a morass of moronic mendacity immediately.
If there is a single person here who has read this and who can tell me in plain English just what the hell we Americans are doing in Khost and Kunduz, perhaps you could make the case that this isn't an utterly contemptible waste of national treasury on a bunch of pillaging war criminals and profiteers. I'm open to the suggestion that there is more than mere madness to our purposes in Afghanistan. The only one I can figure out though is that Afghanistan is one of the few really god-forsaken corners of the world that profiteers can attack without a whimper from the American taxpayer who is getting fleeced for this deviltry and dementia.
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Posted by: stonejaxx on Dec 13, 2008 6:10 PM
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Still, what happens in GA is hardly the decline of the American Empire; frankly, it is of little consequence.
Terrorism proves conventional warfare to be largely irrelevant. I am happy for the Russians if they feel a sense of pride from the conflict but what does it mean?
The rules have changed. Power my economy with renewable resources; keep me a step ahead in exploring space and ultimately, keep me freely innovating.
There will be more Georgias but their importantance will be less and less.
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Posted by: richholland on Dec 13, 2008 8:25 PM
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now it is proven that private capitalisme leads to recession and war.
igor sechin, deputy chief of administration is taking back state control on major industries.
The Europe Union also is disappointed re privatising of public services like water and electricity and is not willing to start a war for the profits of the Superrich families in the USA.
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Posted by: richholland on Dec 13, 2008 8:37 PM
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the brave Georgian crusaders for freedom and profit hasten to capture the village in spite of agreements.
The villagers asked the russians to return as soon as possible in order to survive the liberation.
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Posted by: opmoc on Dec 14, 2008 1:14 PM
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How come Hitler hasn't been arrested yet?
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Posted by: H.Dermish on Dec 14, 2008 7:32 PM
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are we confusing one with the other?
there is no Empire, the Empire was was over with (Beginning of the End of the American Empire) when Reagan won his second act, Civilization (American) was over with when he won his first act, Culture (American) however, will be here as long as there's Coke, Fries and Buy-1 Get-1 for-Free.
Who did you vote for?
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Posted by: sampedrano on Dec 14, 2008 11:26 PM
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I tend to agree the zenith of US power was in the '50s. Probably the one thing that gave, and still gives the slightest credence to American "exceptionalism" and Empire is nuclear weapons and the threat to use them.
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Posted by: Don Quixote on Dec 15, 2008 3:14 AM
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Posted by: muktuk on Dec 15, 2008 7:35 AM
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Ironically, had this BTC pipeline been operational and had it supplied Israel with all her oil needs, the invasion of Iraq and Lebanon/Syria might not have occurred. And the planned invasion of Iran would have been less likely.
How many people have died in the Middle East because of oil?
Israel attacked and invaded Lebanon because of oil (notice the oil terminals struck by the IDF).
Israel tried to provoke Syria into an all out war with aerial attacks by the IDF.
The United States attacked, invaded, and continues to occupy Iraq because of oil.
The United States and Israel have developed plans to attack Iran.
The United States and Israel have intervened militarily in Georgia, risking open conflict with Russia, because of oil.
Oil politics!
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Posted by: muktuk on Dec 15, 2008 8:41 AM
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But the declination of the American Empire goes back even before the collapse of the Soviet Empire when the Soviet client state of North Vietnam defeated the American client state of South Vietnam.
The people of Vietnam defeated both the French and American Empires (although with the help of the Soviets).
The people of Afganistan defeated the Soviets with the help of the Americans and now, they are defeating the Americans and NATO.
Anthropologically speaking, empires and states are limited in duration in contrast with smaller more cohesive forms of political organisation.
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Posted by: repo4sale on Dec 15, 2008 4:02 PM
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Been to Russia 2 times. Great country you have!
Our women are fat, lazy, rotten & MEAN. Russian women are slim, work hard, sweet & Polite.
Usa is a Fat Lazy Cat, arrogant, and a bully.
I am glad Bush is out and Obama is in. Let's hope this "financial crisis" doesn't CRASH everyone!
See you in April 2009, my 3rd Visit!
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Dec 13, 2008 3:25 AM
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now, Afghanistan just might be if we are not careful to get embroiled like Russia did!
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Dec 13, 2008 3:53 AM
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1 What were Dubya and Ras-Putin chuckling about so joyously for all the world to see on television in Peking 24 hours after the Georgians were being crushed?
2 Out of all the despots, princes, presidents, sheikhs, shamans and shams gathered in Peking, how did it happen that these two monsters were seated side by side?
3 What was Bush doing in Peking for four days?
4 Why did nobody in the enormous press corps notice these curious matters?
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Posted by: bobwa8bcx on Dec 13, 2008 4:54 AM
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The first step was the pre-emptive attack on Iraq based on known lies by the Bush administration. Since that point in time, we have seen the U. S. under Bush/Cheney trample the freedoms, liberties, justice and civil rights of not only people world-wide, but its own citizens.
No more does the U. S. have the "high ground" of moral righteousness. No more does the U. S. have as its moral code the greater good for the greater number. No more does the U. S. stand for truth, liberty, justice and fair-play. No more does the U. S. support and protect the "underdog".
Michelle Obama was correct. Only after Barack's election can we take a small measure of pride in the U. S. once again. Too bad it won't last.
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Posted by: xvictor on Dec 13, 2008 5:16 AM
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Russia was under Mongol control for around a hundred years. However, thanks to stability in the Mongol empire and good roads, Russia actually prospered under their rule.
It is said had the Mongols resumed their conquest mode in Europe, NOTHING would have stopped them from reaching the French Atlantic coast.
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Posted by: weathered on Dec 13, 2008 5:47 AM
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See this link w/Israel for what it is, extortion.
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Posted by: sonofloud on Dec 13, 2008 6:34 AM
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Military might cannot solve every problem and considering China owns a good chuck of this country and it's debt, I'd say it's only a matter of time.
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Posted by: Hans B on Dec 13, 2008 6:58 AM
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Anyway, what empire? It seems to me that American power has always been at its highest precisely at times when the US did not seek empire, and used its clout to further international order and construction. And when the resulting influence, combined with the US's enormous military power, led politicians and pundits to become arrogant and administrations to overreach, the house came crashing down on their heads. And so on.
There is something in America that is incompatible with empire. (In fact I'd say this is generally true for democracies, except in cases - like the British Empire - where the mother-country acceptance of oppressive and violent colonial government can be explained by racism.) Here's betting that US power and influence will increase, not decrease, over the next four years.
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Posted by: Scalpel on Dec 13, 2008 7:48 AM
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While I don't disagree with the author on how Georgia was a sign of declining American influence or that Iraq was actually the first step to that decline, it is way too soon to make any definitive conclusions on where the political situation of America or the planet is going. It's worth keeping in mind that a good deal of this is predicated on the assumption that the enviromental meltdown of the planet won't play a role in events. That is a mistake. Peter David put it better than I ever could when he wrote: "As so-called masters of this planet, we're always so impressed by what we ourselves create. The buildings, the monuments, the ingenious devices. And then, every so often, our world decides to show us who's boss."
I am quite certain that there are other x-factors that are currently being under-reported, discounted, or otherwise ignored. Even when it comes to our doomsday scenarios, our prejudices show through (my personal favorite in the global disaster category is a naturally-generated infectious pandemic on the order of the Black Plague or the Spanish Flu). Too many of us can't accept, be they Christian, atheist, or otherwise, that there will always be things outside of any human's control. Human power of any kind has limits on it.
For right now, let's just be thankful that we got out of the 20th century alive and watch EVERYTHING--not just our favorite peeves--and see where it goes.
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Posted by: jshubbub on Dec 13, 2008 7:59 AM
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I'm not going to dispute that the Georgians were ill-advised (to put it mildly) in what they did. It was a blatant provocation of the Russians, and Georgia thought NATO--especially the U.S.--would back them up since we had trained and supplied them. Other than sternly-worded statements, we didn't, and we all know how things ended.
At worst, the U.S. has a little egg on its face over this thing. Russia thought they had won a strategic victory until the collapse of oil prices started making them rethink their muscle-flexing. This thing has amounted to little more than a dust-up between Russian and Western interests. As a concession, I imagine the territorial issues will be negotiated to Russia's satisfaction, and Georgia--with its newly-defined borders--will be admitted to NATO along with the Ukraine.
If we're really smart then we'll figure out a way to rope Russia into NATO and start working toward reforms on both sides as allies instead of as adversaries. Ah, who am I kidding? We'd never be that forward-looking. Would we?
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Posted by: tmgibs on Dec 13, 2008 9:56 AM
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The area known today and for the last 80 years as "Georgia" is occupied by seven tribes that used to live harmoniously with each other, intermarry, and cooperate economically. World politics and the rise of Stalin as the premier of the Soviet Union led to the formation of the current state. Stalin a "Georgian" gave power over the other tribes to his group, apparently as some sort of payback. Georgina committed genocide with the Abhkaz reducing their population by 2/3 and almost succeeded in eliminating them entirely.
Some regions like Abkhazia are relatively remote and divided from the rest of the country by almost impassable hills. When 21st century geopolitics thrust these countries forward as part of the Bush/Cheney oil wars their puppet, their puppet government was given the means, if not the ability, to secure the large oil and gas pipelines that pass through that country. This was all about the oil as the Bush/Cheney criminal organization went to war around the world to secure oil pipelines in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Georgia. The results of the Bush/Cheneys wars has been devastating not only for the populations that we "liberated" but economically here at home as well. It will take several decade to recover from the economic disaster that we are inheriting from this group of people that so easily manipulated the press and duped their own supporters as they pillaged our economy and good name for the sake of greed and power to benefit a tiny segment of powerful interest that were desperately trying to maintain the status quo of a carbon based economy whose death is not only necessary but now even more difficult to accomplish because of the legacy they have left us.
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Posted by: SevenStarHand on Dec 13, 2008 10:24 AM
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The Vatican-N.W.O. gang of thugs orchestrated the Russia-Georgia war to distract everyone from the truth, which they desperately fear !!! It was planned for some time and several world leaders worked hand-in-hand to present this evil theatrical production. They started this deceptive war between Russia and Georgia on 8/8/2008, when many were expecting some sort of 8/8/08 event. Using the Olympics as cover was itself merely a smokescreen to hide the true purposes. Why are they so desperate to have pulled such a transparent stunt?
Many have scoffed at my assertions in recent years, but now the time has arrived to prove who the real fools are !!! Pay very close attention. I have given you the ability to understand that these events were orchestrated from behind the veil maintained by the Vatican and its secret-society cohorts, because they are very desperate now. I know this is a lot to ingest, but all of our futures are now at stake.
Please make the time to understand this now, so you can help others discern the truth.
Peace and Wisdom...
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- The US economy is in the dumper.
- The US owes money to the World.
- People who OWE MONEY really have to pay the Piper any way the Piper wants it...
Guess who is about to become the Goon Squad for every petty dictator & every other agency that can swing influence over that debt?
wakey-wakey.
"Moody's: U.S. rating could be pressured in long term"
The sickening part is that Canada seems to still believe trailing behind the US NeoCon agenda is a wonderful thing.
Ignatieff?
Harper?
Jebus, I feel sick...
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the world will trejoice at the end of american and aemnpire and at end of british machinations done through american empire.
. Moreover, they all generally accept the false notion that the British hand in world affairs has been vastly reduced, and that the impulse towards empire has been abandoned or suppressed, due to England's "diminished" condition. One need only read the inserted special report in the Feb. 3, 2007 edition of the Economist to recognize that the City of London is now celebrating "another British imperial moment," centered around the successful promulgation of yet another devastating myth: that globalization is an irreversible, driving force in world economic and political affairs.
The project documented by Professor Quigley, involved the philosophical assault on the American republican outlook, and the gradual establishment of an alternative ideology, based on the "Anglo-American" or "English-speaking" vision of the world. This so-called "Anglo-American" vision was, in fact, the outlook of the Venetian Party of Anglo-Dutch bankers and aristocrats, who believed in world government, under the control of a tiny elite. That this is the antithesis of the American System outlook is self-evident to anyone who has studied the history of the American Revolution, the Constitutional Convention, the evolution of an American school of foreign policy by John Quincy Adams, and the development of the American System of political economy of Alexander Hamilton and Mathew and Henry Carey.
The obliteration of the true history of the United States, and its replacement with a false history of Anglo-American shared world vision ("free trade and democracy") is, perhaps, one of the greatest and most underestimated achievements of the conspirators profiled by Quigley. Unfortunately, in his Anglo-American Establishment, Quigley himself fails to draw out the fundamental distinctions between the American and British systems, and thus misses the most fundamental point of his otherwise most valuable exercise in historiography.
The Venetian System
5th june 2007.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/
The Western reaction to the words of Vladimir Putin is, as predictable, immature, ignorant, jingoistic and biased, since it does nothing to analyse the causes of Russia’s reaction to what can only constitute a provocation. This is a criical moment in the history of Europe and the world, and one which requires more diplomacy, dialogue and debate than drum-beating and harking back to Cold War rhetoric.
To every action, there is a reaction. This is a basic law of physics and one which is so patently obvious, it goes without saying. Not so, however, for a huge number of western Press outlets which seized upon the words of President Vladimir Putin regarding pointing missiles at Europe in response to the USA’s belligerent, aggressive and antagonistic attitude towards international relations, painting Russia as a threat and saying nothing about the causes and origins of Moscow’s stance.
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Posted by: Ray Duray on Dec 13, 2008 3:42 PM
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NPR recently featured a curious item entitled "Military Plans New Supply Lines Into Afghanistan". Curious in the sense that as Pakistan is increasingly destabilized and hostile toward Anglo-American empire building on the Afghanistan front in the New Great Game/Old Eurasian War, a resuscitated land bridge to the Afghan war zone is being re-conceived by the logisticians in the Pentagon, mimicking the same routes that were allowed by the Russians and the leaders of the 'Stans in late 2001.
What is so curious about this situation is that one would think the Russians might be a bit peeved about U.S. meddling in their sphere of influence. Allowing the U.S. military to use Georgia as a staging area for provisioning an escalation of hostilities in Afghanistan seems counter-intuitive. Perhaps Putin and Medvedev are recalling the wisdom of Zbig Brzezinski and Jimmie Carter in seducing the Soviets into a hot war in Afghanistan starting in December, 1979. Could Putin be setting a trap for the Pentagon planners? That would be my guess. America appears poised for the destruction of its economic hegemony over the world. Yet the hubris of our elites won't lead to a retrenchment and a return to our isolationist past. Like a cancer, the curse of imperialistic megalomania has infected America's elites, and as humanity should know by now, there is no cure for this madness short of the death of those so afflicted. Either from natural causes, like gunshot wounds, or by means of bankruptcy. I'm predicting such a mixed economy of insolvent seppuku to mire Obamania in a morass of moronic mendacity immediately.
If there is a single person here who has read this and who can tell me in plain English just what the hell we Americans are doing in Khost and Kunduz, perhaps you could make the case that this isn't an utterly contemptible waste of national treasury on a bunch of pillaging war criminals and profiteers. I'm open to the suggestion that there is more than mere madness to our purposes in Afghanistan. The only one I can figure out though is that Afghanistan is one of the few really god-forsaken corners of the world that profiteers can attack without a whimper from the American taxpayer who is getting fleeced for this deviltry and dementia.
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Posted by: stonejaxx on Dec 13, 2008 6:10 PM
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Still, what happens in GA is hardly the decline of the American Empire; frankly, it is of little consequence.
Terrorism proves conventional warfare to be largely irrelevant. I am happy for the Russians if they feel a sense of pride from the conflict but what does it mean?
The rules have changed. Power my economy with renewable resources; keep me a step ahead in exploring space and ultimately, keep me freely innovating.
There will be more Georgias but their importantance will be less and less.
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now it is proven that private capitalisme leads to recession and war.
igor sechin, deputy chief of administration is taking back state control on major industries.
The Europe Union also is disappointed re privatising of public services like water and electricity and is not willing to start a war for the profits of the Superrich families in the USA.
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Posted by: richholland on Dec 13, 2008 8:37 PM
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the brave Georgian crusaders for freedom and profit hasten to capture the village in spite of agreements.
The villagers asked the russians to return as soon as possible in order to survive the liberation.
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Posted by: opmoc on Dec 14, 2008 1:14 PM
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How come Hitler hasn't been arrested yet?
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Posted by: H.Dermish on Dec 14, 2008 7:32 PM
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are we confusing one with the other?
there is no Empire, the Empire was was over with (Beginning of the End of the American Empire) when Reagan won his second act, Civilization (American) was over with when he won his first act, Culture (American) however, will be here as long as there's Coke, Fries and Buy-1 Get-1 for-Free.
Who did you vote for?
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Posted by: sampedrano on Dec 14, 2008 11:26 PM
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I tend to agree the zenith of US power was in the '50s. Probably the one thing that gave, and still gives the slightest credence to American "exceptionalism" and Empire is nuclear weapons and the threat to use them.
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Posted by: muktuk on Dec 15, 2008 7:35 AM
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Ironically, had this BTC pipeline been operational and had it supplied Israel with all her oil needs, the invasion of Iraq and Lebanon/Syria might not have occurred. And the planned invasion of Iran would have been less likely.
How many people have died in the Middle East because of oil?
Israel attacked and invaded Lebanon because of oil (notice the oil terminals struck by the IDF).
Israel tried to provoke Syria into an all out war with aerial attacks by the IDF.
The United States attacked, invaded, and continues to occupy Iraq because of oil.
The United States and Israel have developed plans to attack Iran.
The United States and Israel have intervened militarily in Georgia, risking open conflict with Russia, because of oil.
Oil politics!
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Posted by: muktuk on Dec 15, 2008 8:41 AM
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But the declination of the American Empire goes back even before the collapse of the Soviet Empire when the Soviet client state of North Vietnam defeated the American client state of South Vietnam.
The people of Vietnam defeated both the French and American Empires (although with the help of the Soviets).
The people of Afganistan defeated the Soviets with the help of the Americans and now, they are defeating the Americans and NATO.
Anthropologically speaking, empires and states are limited in duration in contrast with smaller more cohesive forms of political organisation.
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Been to Russia 2 times. Great country you have!
Our women are fat, lazy, rotten & MEAN. Russian women are slim, work hard, sweet & Polite.
Usa is a Fat Lazy Cat, arrogant, and a bully.
I am glad Bush is out and Obama is in. Let's hope this "financial crisis" doesn't CRASH everyone!
See you in April 2009, my 3rd Visit!
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