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5 Disastrous Decisions That Got Us into This Economic Mess
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There will come a moment when the most urgent threats posed by the credit crisis have eased and the larger task before us will be to chart a direction for the economic steps ahead. This will be a dangerous moment. Behind the debates over future policy is a debate over history -- a debate over the causes of our current situation. The battle for the past will determine the battle for the present. So it's crucial to get the history straight.
What were the critical decisions that led to the crisis? Mistakes were made at every fork in the road -- we had what engineers call a "system failure," when not a single decision but a cascade of decisions produce a tragic result. Let's look at five key moments.
No. 1: Firing the Chairman
In 1987 the Reagan administration decided to remove Paul Volcker as chairman of the Federal Reserve Board and appoint Alan Greenspan in his place. Volcker had done what central bankers are supposed to do. On his watch, inflation had been brought down from more than 11 percent to under 4 percent. In the world of central banking, that should have earned him a grade of A+++ and assured his re-appointment. But Volcker also understood that financial markets need to be regulated. Reagan wanted someone who did not believe any such thing, and he found him in a devotee of the objectivist philosopher and free-market zealot Ayn Rand.
Greenspan played a double role. The Fed controls the money spigot, and in the early years of this decade, he turned it on full force. But the Fed is also a regulator. If you appoint an anti-regulator as your enforcer, you know what kind of enforcement you'll get. A flood of liquidity combined with the failed levees of regulation proved disastrous.
Greenspan presided over not one but two financial bubbles. After the high-tech bubble popped, in 2000-2001, he helped inflate the housing bubble. The first responsibility of a central bank should be to maintain the stability of the financial system. If banks lend on the basis of artificially high asset prices, the result can be a meltdown -- as we are seeing now, and as Greenspan should have known. He had many of the tools he needed to cope with the situation. To deal with the high-tech bubble, he could have increased margin requirements (the amount of cash people need to put down to buy stock). To deflate the housing bubble, he could have curbed predatory lending to low-income households and prohibited other insidious practices (the no-documentation -- or "liar" -- loans, the interest-only loans, and so on). This would have gone a long way toward protecting us. If he didn't have the tools, he could have gone to Congress and asked for them.
Of course, the current problems with our financial system are not solely the result of bad lending. The banks have made mega-bets with one another through complicated instruments such as derivatives, credit-default swaps, and so forth. With these, one party pays another if certain events happen -- for instance, if Bear Stearns goes bankrupt, or if the dollar soars. These instruments were originally created to help manage risk -- but they can also be used to gamble. Thus, if you felt confident that the dollar was going to fall, you could make a big bet accordingly, and if the dollar indeed fell, your profits would soar. The problem is that, with this complicated intertwining of bets of great magnitude, no one could be sure of the financial position of anyone else -- or even of one's own position. Not surprisingly, the credit markets froze.
Here too Greenspan played a role. When I was chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, during the Clinton administration, I served on a committee of all the major federal financial regulators, a group that included Greenspan and Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin. Even then, it was clear that derivatives posed a danger. We didn't put it as memorably as Warren Buffett -- who saw derivatives as "financial weapons of mass destruction" -- but we took his point. And yet, for all the risk, the deregulators in charge of the financial system -- at the Fed, at the Securities and Exchange Commission, and elsewhere -- decided to do nothing, worried that any action might interfere with "innovation" in the financial system. But innovation, like "change," has no inherent value. It can be bad (the "liar" loans are a good example) as well as good.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Dec 11, 2008 12:34 AM
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Our economy needs restructuring. Stimulating and re-regulating the broken model we have now will only lead to more waste, more debt and digging the hole we find ourselves in, deeper.
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Posted by: davidhhahn on Dec 11, 2008 1:34 AM
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It is time to think about another way to create money --- like President Lincoln did. Print Greenbacks from the Treasury with the full faith and credit of the United States and get this country moving again.
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Posted by: DrGeneNelson on Dec 11, 2008 2:43 AM
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Again, legislators were drinking the "free market" Kool Aid when they passed the Immigration Act of 1990. Fraudulent claims of a "looming shortage" were the public relations thrust to help pass this legislation which was designed by the economic elite to benefit the economic elite. Similarly, there were U.S. workforce protections what were used to pass the legislation that were quickly stripped out by the first Bush Administration.
Re-regulation was proposed by Senator Alan Simpson in 1996. When Microsoft became aware of this plan, they hired the "best and brightest" lobbyists: Jack Abramoff and his team. About $100 million was spent in lobbying expenditures and campaign fianance contributions between 1995 and 2000 by the firm. Hence, this author uses the term "Abramoff Visa" to describe this harmful corporate welfare. More details are available in the author's 2008 article The Greedy Gates Immigration Gambit
As a result of this strong government intervention, this author holds that Bill Gates, III became the world's wealthiest man. The casualties were the loss of the careers of millions of experienced American citizen technical professionals.
Furthermore, the intentional non-enforcement of U.S. immigration laws led to a bloated population of visa overstayers... again yielding "fresh young (inexpensive, imported and indentured) blood." Corporate profits have been astronomical. These practices are leading to a second wave of mortgage defaults as slightly older middle - class Americans, forced to take positions that make scant use of the their training and experience can't pay their mortgages.
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Posted by: paulmagillsmith on Dec 11, 2008 10:28 AM
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$140 Trillion is estimated value of all publically traded stocks & bonds
$140 Trillion value of privately held stock
$280 Trillion value of all physical assets & infrastructure
~$50 Trillion world GDP
$684 Trillion exposure in the derivatives market
As you can see when the liability for the derivatives are placed on the balance sheet it becomes heavily skewed toward the red.
Note: Since some as yet unknown quantity of assets backing these derivatives are actually backed by real assets (homes, etc), the $684 Trillion figure is not a total loss.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Dec 11, 2008 3:39 AM
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Posted by: Last Chance on Dec 11, 2008 3:43 AM
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We need a different system, like the equal sharing of income and labor within each corporation; or a stable network of self-reliant villages that are free to trade with each other for mutual benefit.
But as long as people believe we must "put this economy back on track" to "get this country moving again" and "grow the economy" the boom and bust syndrome will repeat again and again until the Earth slowly collapses under the accumulating tons of waste and garbage, which is happening now as we post.
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Posted by: rotation on Dec 11, 2008 4:14 AM
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I was retired but my mate was not. She worked in Health Care as a Medical Technologist. Her yearly raises from 1997 were 1% while the cost of living rise was 3% or more. By 2004 we were feeling the pinch. I spoke to all of our friends in various professions and their situation was the the same: Low percentage raises compared to the cost of living rise.
Reasons - The Companies and Institutions could get away with it. In our particular case H-1B Visa's helped fuel the wage decline. College kids were not going into Med Tech jobs. The job is high stress and pays poorly compared with Nurses pay. Why work for $14/hr when they could choose nursing for less stress and $22/hr. The Nurse education is less scientifically oriented therefore easier and the monetary gain greater. H-1B Visa workers were in many hospitals far outnumbering US Citizens due to lack of supply.
Undocumented workers helped drive down wages in our community in construction, and local businesses. A friend whose grandparents came here legally from Mexico in 1940 has a grandson that looks hispanic was told at 5 different business in the summer of 2006 that they would pay him from $3 to $6 per hour cash paid daily. They asuumed he was undocumented. His parents went to the local DA who has done nothing. He claims that he is investigating. They are people who are struggling and cannot afford to pursue the matter.
Capitalism cannot work without deep oversight and regulation. The system can only work from the trickle up theory because of greed. Anonymous
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Dec 11, 2008 4:41 AM
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Why is it the MSNBC thinks the public does not realize the conflict of interest having Andrea an Anchor. How many reports, esp during this time have been eliminated because it might 'Hurt' andrea's Husband? How many guests have been Not invited to comment because they would rightly point a finger at her 'Hubby' as part of the Criminality which brought our economy to it's knees?
Add to that her 'insider' status in the Clinton Machine. Not only is her perspective biased but suspect. Funny how Andrea was the First to break the news Hillary was being offered the Sec of State position. Was she or was andrea helping the Clintons kick up the fire beneath Obama to do so? Seh was th eonly reporter willing to report Hillary had been given the post while others still held the position that we won't truely know until the announcement.
If busting the media for having 'Military Experts' acting as mouthpeices for the MIC agenda is Unethical, What makes keeping the Wife of possibly this countries Worst Traitor as a 'News' anchor any different.
Granted Michell has a long history in media, but her objectivity is Blatantly effected by her marriage to Greenspan and her allegience to the Clintons.
It's not only nauseating to watch, It's embarrassing to see the 'Free press' be so obviously restrained.
History has proven Greenspan an Economic Feudalist (Trickle Down is the economy of Monarchies and dictators) and that Clintons have an Autographed copy of the Neo Con handbook (Hillary's campaign tactics,which she gladly handed down to her cohort McCain for the General- 'Radical Muslim Angry Black man' Rhetoric).
MSNBC is my Favorite Cable news channel, but I refuse to be fed Propagnada and LIES through their Mouth piece Andrea!
What will happen if we are able to Indict and prosecute Alan? Would she even allow the 'Breaking News'? Would we be allowed to hear reasons for it's justification. Probably Not,Andrea seems to be holding Court at MSNBC.
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Posted by: HBoyer on Dec 11, 2008 4:51 AM
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The republicans are all about greed, deception and self gratification.
thank you for telling what most people suspected for a long time.
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Posted by: Beagle17 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 AM
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Perhaps the most fundamental example is our apparent need to trust in individual "captain figureheads" in a very Ayn Randish way. Why should Greenspan even have had so much power as a single, fallable individual anyway? Why is so much power given to a president? And, pray tell, why would someone like Paulson ever be given such immense, primal power as he was?
I have always found this bizarre. We love to praise democracy, but we actually seem to hate it and want to run our society more like a pirate ship.
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Posted by: rigross on Dec 11, 2008 6:29 AM
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Many commentators, here and elsewhere, rightly point to a larger context. However, rather than pointing out "overlooked" factors or blaming Republicans, or neo-cons, or bankers or immigrants or the educational system or space aliens or even GREED, it would be more useful to address the systemic failure, a much more difficult task to get our minds around. For a variety of reasons too numerous to enumerate here. The blame game is for losers. OK, many of our most respected leaders in many spheres of human endeavor are psychotic criminals. They see things that are not there and they don't see things that are there. Then they act inappropriately with brute force or ineptitude to preserve an unjust, ultimately destructive system. Hopeless, yes? Well, actually, no.
People all over the world are actively working on real solutions for the real world. The old rules don't work anymore, and we don't yet have the new rules. In the meantime, it would behoove us to do the best we can with what we have that we can rely on, most especially the rule of law. For the good old USA that means the Constitution. We went to sleep for a while and allowed it to be ripped to shreds (illegal search and seizure in the bogus War on Drugs, Presidential signing statements that ignore Congress and the balance of powers provision, the entire Iraq [undeclared]war of choice monstrosity, the still neglected possible treason of Karl Rove, et al, in the very serious matter of outing a covert CIA agent, etc., etc.)In the famous Ben Franklin quote, "Here is your democracy, if you can keep it." We don't need to whine about the "evildoers" or push for some grand scheme that has zero chance of working. The people aroused will not be denied. No punkass terrorist or billionaire robber baron can bring this great nation to its knees, but apathy and ignorance surely will. Change the world anywhere you touch it and the ripple effect will work miracles. The global mind-shift is underway right now. Support that.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Dec 11, 2008 6:35 AM
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Also, an equally bad decision was our collective acceptance of the CFR and its ideology. The CFR was created as a means of destroying the sovereignty of the United States. And they've done it. They are the propaganda arm of the new world order. It was their job to sell us on world government, their global control grid. Their global taxation scheme. Their system of unchallengable unmitigated tyranny. They are the group that is primarily responsible for the propaganda that tricked us into accepting an orwellian world where we now plainly see that everything is upside down.
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Posted by: Kimberly on Dec 11, 2008 6:44 AM
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I also wonder why News Media doesn't expose the U.S. Attorney General's Office and Office of Inspector General, for making illegal agreements with federal contractors to ALLOW felony fraud against the citizens of the United States.
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The Anti-Dumping Statute is Enforced Jointly by the Health Care Financing Administration ( HCFA ) and the Office of Inspector General ( OIG ) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).
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DHHS OIG News Release 21 Oct 1998 ... HHS-TIPS .... T18CFR371CRIME
VOLENTARY DISCLOUSURE of Health Care Fraud
For Immediate Release Contact: ……………Judy Holtz (202) 619-0893
Wednesday, October 21,1998 ……………….Ben St.John (202) 619-1028
The ( DHHS OIG ) Department of Health and Human Services’s Office of Inspector General ( OIG ) today unveiled an expanded and simplified PROGRAM For ( Federal ) Health Care PROVIDERS to 'Volentarily Report' ( internal control / self-audit T42CFR417.1 adverse determination, grievance procedure: misprison of a felony: anti-dumping violation ) Fraudulent Conduct ( T18CFR24Crimes ) Affecting [ Entitled Individuals ] HCFA Medicare/Medicaid, and other ( OPM FEHBP,TRICARE,CHAMPVA ) Federal health care programs. The [ Federal ( OPM FEHBP T5CFR890.105 denial of COVERED Claims ) HMO Contract ] Provider will have the option of doing 'SELF-audit' [ Provider Self-Disclosure Protocol (SDP) see 63 Fed. Reg. 58,399 ~ illegal agreement HHS T42CFR417.1 Systemic Deprivations, misprison of a felony Anti-dumping violation ] in conformance 'with OIG'.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 11, 2008 7:10 AM
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Posted by: NthnBrazil on Dec 11, 2008 7:11 AM
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The truth is most of the individual mistakes boil down to just one: a belief that markets are self-adjusting and that the role of government should be minimal.
However, in reality the right has said this but not done it. In fact, the role of government in the economy is MASSIVE, just not through regulation. Lobbyists and corporation put millions of dollars in politicians pockets not only to de-regulate but also to create laws that help them beat the competition, keep wages lower, etc etc etc.
If businesses were left to fend for themselves in a truly Laissez-faire system that cut both ways (minimal regulation AND minimal assistance), much of this would also have been avoided.
Unfortunately, without changing the way politics work in this country and the piles of money required to campaign for public office, we are left to rely on regulatory remedies.
So I would agree with Stiglitz broadly on the way forward, but do want to point out that these regulatory choices are inter-twined with our political/lobbying system and a mixed solution that addresses both is required. Otherwise, the new regulatons will be as toothless and useless as Sarbanes-Oxley has been
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Posted by: DHFabian on Dec 11, 2008 8:03 AM
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Consider the newest bailout. Shortly prior to this, I read yet another cheery (Russian news website) item about the newest US auto plant to open in Russia. This was just the latest of the many spankin' new, billion-dollar, state-of-the-art, "Big Three" US auto plants to open in Russia and Eastern Europe over the past few years.
How to finance this tremendously expensive endeavor? Get taxpayers to pay for it. Threaten to shut down jobs in the US, placing the blame on the economic crisis, and DO NOT mention that little detail about moving our jobs overseas. Declare an economic emergency that "will impact thousands of auto workers and bring down the entire US economy." The only way to save the US, and save millions of Americans from desperate poverty, is BAILOUT! Scare the taxpayers so they will willing give the money to finance all those new factories overseas. Get enough money to pay off those new factories.
And after they get the bailout? Ooops, sorry folks, it didn't work, so we can't pay you back. How many times have we repeated this scenario over the past 30 years? This is probably the biggest blackmail scheme in US history, but as long as the people are scared enough to accept no-strings-attached schemes, they'll keep paying until the ship sinks.
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Posted by: Social liberal on Dec 11, 2008 8:56 AM
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This is the kind of false, constrained deregulation that gives free markets a bad name. This is what makes it possible for people like Barney Frank to call for more regulations when in fact it the regulators and regulations that were at fault.
The worst thing is that the main culprits behind the crisis Freddie and Fannie were let by the Democrats loose without any oversight or control. Letting them get away with murder wasn’t deregulation. It was bad governance.
And letting deregulation take the primary blame for a credit-fueled housing bubble and its aftermath isn’t an argument. It’s misdirection.
Is Deregulation to Blame? The new Washington consensus says "yes." The facts on the ground say something different
1. 1. The partial repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 allowed commercial banks to get involved in risky investments, such as mortgage-backed securities.
Institutions that didn’t take advantage of the Glass-Steagall repeal, such as Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns, were the ones that failed most spectacularly, in part because they lacked the stability provided by commercial banking deposits. There is a significant body of academic work supporting this idea. The Rutgers economist Eugene Nelson White, for example, has found that national banks with security affiliates—the sort of institutions Glass-Steagall was designed to prevent—were much less likely to fail than banks without affiliates.
2) The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 guaranteed that high-risk tools such as credit default swaps remained unregulated, opting instead to encourage a “self-regulation” that never happened.
The Washington Post has closely chronicled the clash, concluding that “derivatives did not trigger what has erupted into the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression. But their proliferation, and the uncertainty about their real values, accelerated the recent collapses of the nation’s venerable investment houses and magnified the panic that has since crippled the global financial system.” In other words: The absence of a regulation didn’t cause the crisis, but it may have exacerbated it.
3) A 2004 rule change by the SEC permitted big firms to keep too much debt on their balance sheets.
SEC instituted more subjective, labor-intensive oversight in place of hard and fast guidelines. “They constructed a mechanism that simply didn’t work,” former SEC official Lee Pickard told The New York Sun on September 18. “The SEC modification in 2004 is the primary reason for all of the losses that have occurred.” As The Wall Street Journal editorialized in October: “As for the SEC, if commissioners took on a massive burden in 2004 without realizing they had signed up to safeguard the world’s financial system, then they overreached. But they sure didn’t ‘deregulate.’ ”
It may have actually been a new regulation that kicked off the crisis. In 2007, the FASB new mark-to-market practices. This rule change was a follow-on to the Sarbanes-Oxley reforms of 2003
4) Through all this time, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were allowed to run wild.
Because of their size and politicized culture, they were able to fend off periodic attempts at reform.
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Posted by: crazy carlos on Dec 11, 2008 9:31 AM
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It is this ruling that has given Corporations the power to interfere with our voting process among many other evils.
In 1907 the Supremes ruled in a turf club suite that no such event had occurred by its ruling, later upheld in a 1912 decision.(Western Turf Assn. v Greenberg 204 us 359) 1907.
If this decision can be reversed practically all the problems that "We the People" are running into vis a vis Corporate control go down the drain. And the 1886 ruling was in fact tainted. Nader brought this issue up in his T.V. debate v Can't remember who just prior to the election. This issue was also brought up in a book by Thom Hartman called "Unequal Protection" Carlos
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Posted by: orftc on Dec 11, 2008 10:32 AM
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This may seem like a chicken-or-the-egg concern -- the Clinton White House put this offer to deregulate on the table while very much wanting to deregulate. In terms of the future, however, it will be very difficult to establish new financial regulations without running afoul of WTO rules.
The United States (and world) needs to better regulate the speculators, and it needs to radically reform its "trade" policies that impose severe restrictions on governments ability to regulate commerce.
As Greenspan admitted, the so-called free market ideology that got us where we are today was wrong. What worries me is that Obama is selecting as his key economic advisors folks from the Clinton and Reagan years who got us into the mess we're in and who have yet to fully acknowledge the huge mistakes they made int he past.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 11, 2008 10:41 AM
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Supreme Court Justice Morrison Remick Waite simply pronounced before the beginning of argument in the case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company that "...The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of opinion that it does...The defendant Corporations are persons within the intent of the clause in section 1 of the Fourteen Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Thus, the doctrine of corporate personhood creates an interesting legal contradiction. The corporation is owned by its shareholders and is therefore their property. Hence, if it is also a legal person, then it is a person owned by others and thus exists in a condition of slavery--a status explicitly forbidden by the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution.
So is a corporation a person illegally held in servitude by its shareholders?
Or is it a person who enjoys the rights of personhood that take precedence over the presumed ownership rights of its shareholders?
Thus, the owners of a corporation, also known as shareholders, are, when the Orwellian language is stripped away, modern-day slaveholders, who hold innocent corporations in bondage against the corporation's "free will".
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Dec 11, 2008 11:00 AM
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In other words, "managing risk" is in fact gambling, even though economists insist on talking about it as if it's a good thing. On the contrary: the whole point of banking regulation, as Stiglitz himself says, is to drastically limit risk-taking. If you want to gamble, you do it with your own money, not everybody's.
Now we know.
Years ago, I was very amused to discover that our paper printed the stock pages and race results facing each other - as if they were equivalent. My father, an investment manager, was not amused. I feel vindicated (and he learned better, by the time he retired.)
Gambling with other people's money is embezzlement. It's a crime, and there are a lot of financiers who should go to jail. When they embezzle from everybody, as they did with the help of Summers, Rubin, et al, the whole economy crashes. Good luck with picking up the pieces: last time, it took 10 long years.
Keeping your money in a mattress might be a good idea, but I note that credit unions are doing just fine, because they're required to be very conservative and serve their owner-depositors.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Dec 11, 2008 11:20 AM
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When Benjamin Franklin opened his bank way back when, it functioned well and made a profit! Instead of this sham that we call the "American Treasury" with it's socialized debts, maybe it's time that we nationalized and really had a "US Treasury"!
As long as money is involved we the people must never, ever believe in "the better nature of individuals" leading them to do what is right for society vs amassing more money for themselves! These were lessons learned after the last Great Depression! This time around mooring lines need to be attached to regulations, so that the hubris and avarice that contributed to this fiasco can be checked!
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It's the repackaging/securitization/resale of these contracts that caused this mess. How did that become legal?
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Posted by: Rusthank on Dec 11, 2008 3:43 PM
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It is now time to resurrect the ideas expounded by Edward Bellamy over 110 years ago in his classic novels, 'Looking Backward' and 'Equality' still available in print today at bookstores everywhere. What we are witnessing today is is a replay of the worst features of our economic system of private gain for the few at the expense of the many. It is time to revive the 'Bellamy clubs' that existed throughout this country at the turn of the 19th century to debate the merits of a cooperative economic society for the benefit of all. There has been much written about Bellamy's prophetic views over the past century and variations on the same theme that needs to be the main topic of discussion and democratic action. Anybody interested in pursuing this further, Please post your interest on this blog.
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Posted by: jimswanson on Dec 11, 2008 6:45 PM
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I’m alarmed that Joseph Stiglitz is not in Obama’s Cabinet. Stiglitz is a five-star truth-telling economist who needs to be in that high-level body.
Obama has appointed too many center-right, business-as-usual politicians.
Even if Obama continues to listen to Stiglitz informally, we can’t count on this approach to be effective. It won’t be.
In any case, let’s remember that real progressive transformation of our nation must be driven from the grassroots up, not from the “top down” by business-as-usual career politicians.
Electing Obama was the easy part. The real work begins today, and again tomorrow, and again each day thereafter.
We must stay engaged, take names, and never give up. Let’s redouble our efforts.
We have the advantage of knowing what to expect from Neanderthals in the Republican Party. They are thus “reliable.” As for our Democratic leaders, we trust them at our peril.
We must keep our friends close, our enemy closer, and our Democratic leaders closest.
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Posted by: crazy carlos on Dec 11, 2008 7:34 PM
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I am not an attorney, but my view of my personal life and that of the burgeoning Police State forces me to be somewhat aquainted
with the courts functions. The courts get an F along with the Executive and Legislative branches of govm.
THIS THING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG!! Carlos
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Posted by: mike_burns on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 PM
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Nothing wrong with getting rich by supplying things that are needed and wanted, but in the last 28yrs it has been getting rich by thievery. Thievery from workers at work, in the markets, and elsewhere That economic model will not stand.
The solution is to start paying people real wages, and protect them from predatory lending.
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Posted by: 24&somuchmore on Dec 11, 2008 11:36 PM
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WHAT is the appropriate punishment for this group of financial terrorists who have damaged our country and our economy more than any cell of 19 Islamic terrorists ever could? And when do we start to see some punishment of the elitist bastards and condemnation of their super rich way of life? Confiscation of assets much as is done with drug dealers, jail time, banishment from any further association with financial entities... THESE people should be vilified, shunned, banned , punished, and they AND THEIR FAMILIES who have benefitted from this should be forced to live at the poorest edges of society. Sometimes, you need a bad example to ensure you don't end up like "them". Not a very Christian viewpoint, but sometimes the "OLD Testament Eye for an Eye" is more applicable.
Oh, sorry. I lost my job today. Thankfully, at 49, I worked hard, saved my money, and can live for several years without working. Maybe I can get a government bailout.
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Posted by: charles-linberg on Dec 12, 2008 7:48 AM
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Posted by: yellow on Dec 12, 2008 10:30 AM
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This money should have been invested in the working economy. The rich have too much money to gamble with in capital markets. A better distribution of wealth would have prevented this mess, not higher real interest rates. The rollback of trade unions, in an endeavor to lower the entire cost structure of the US economy rather than save "ailing industries," led to rapid wage deceleration and shrinking effective comsumer demand in the US over the past thirty years. Jobs and industries were lost anyway as cheap labor lured industries overseas. Income inequality slowed economic growth rates which have never recovered pre-1973 rates. Massive consumer debt has taken up the slack in demand as home equity cash outs have kept the US economy going until two years ago. Monetary policy, especially without requisite capital controls to slow massive inflows of portfolio investment, won't reverse the trends that caused the current financial crisis in America. Reorienting the entire economy toward public investment and full employment will!!
Let's start will public investment in green jobs and a national health system to raise wages, meet human needs and create full employment. The redistributive effect will act as an effective break on short term speculative capital inflows that are so disruptive and that create crisis in financial markets everywhere.
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Posted by: blondesprite on Dec 14, 2008 5:29 AM
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The following has been paraphrased from: The Next American Frontier by, Robert B. Reich.
#1. We (the people) are responsible.
It has a great deal to do with how we have percieved our own roles as citizens. We (collectively) have beggared our neighbors (at home and abroad) in the name of short-term profits. We have ideologically and literally divided ourselves through the game theory of winners and losers. Folks, life is not really a game.
#2. We have one government (us) with two very similar yet deeply divided political and cultural branches, the Dems and Republicans.
The Dems politically, have addressed the civic role of the FED. With the New Deal, Dems adopted the role of caregiver. An after-the-mayhem-scorched-earth-fact of picking up the pieces of our own self destructive, short sighted profit (winning) motives and behaviors.
We have allowed Republicans to dominate and define us through the role of our businesses, our business ethics (or the lack there of) and economic(game)theory.
3. These two warring facets, of ourselves, have produced a schizoid and/or bi-polar national personality disorder, or as Reich's states "a pendulumlike vacillation in Americans' fundamental loyalties".
4. These two warring, but undeniably married facets, produced a mutant third offspring. We gave birth to a delusion of ourselves.
We adopted the bastard child of personhood through the instruments of incorporation.
5. Our bastard child's "inability to understand and respond to the civic responsibilites attendant upon large corporate size helped inspire Populist and Progressive activism around the turn of the century, leading to antitrust legislation and the establishment of the Federal Trade Commssion, to laws governing hours and working conditions, and to (endless) legislation protecting us" from our own bastard mutant child's inventions, rules and perverted play things.
So here we are, parents of and victims of our own bastard offspring, blaming each other, pointing fingers and crying out for some other arrangement. We are collectively locked into our separate camps perpetuating a vicious cycle of parental denial, blame and marital self destruction.
We are the problem. Whether or not we decide to divorce ourselves from this national delusion and game, is the question.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Dec 11, 2008 12:34 AM
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Our economy needs restructuring. Stimulating and re-regulating the broken model we have now will only lead to more waste, more debt and digging the hole we find ourselves in, deeper.
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Posted by: davidhhahn on Dec 11, 2008 1:34 AM
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It is time to think about another way to create money --- like President Lincoln did. Print Greenbacks from the Treasury with the full faith and credit of the United States and get this country moving again.
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Posted by: DrGeneNelson on Dec 11, 2008 2:43 AM
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Again, legislators were drinking the "free market" Kool Aid when they passed the Immigration Act of 1990. Fraudulent claims of a "looming shortage" were the public relations thrust to help pass this legislation which was designed by the economic elite to benefit the economic elite. Similarly, there were U.S. workforce protections what were used to pass the legislation that were quickly stripped out by the first Bush Administration.
Re-regulation was proposed by Senator Alan Simpson in 1996. When Microsoft became aware of this plan, they hired the "best and brightest" lobbyists: Jack Abramoff and his team. About $100 million was spent in lobbying expenditures and campaign fianance contributions between 1995 and 2000 by the firm. Hence, this author uses the term "Abramoff Visa" to describe this harmful corporate welfare. More details are available in the author's 2008 article The Greedy Gates Immigration Gambit
As a result of this strong government intervention, this author holds that Bill Gates, III became the world's wealthiest man. The casualties were the loss of the careers of millions of experienced American citizen technical professionals.
Furthermore, the intentional non-enforcement of U.S. immigration laws led to a bloated population of visa overstayers... again yielding "fresh young (inexpensive, imported and indentured) blood." Corporate profits have been astronomical. These practices are leading to a second wave of mortgage defaults as slightly older middle - class Americans, forced to take positions that make scant use of the their training and experience can't pay their mortgages.
There are powerful free online citizen activism tools available at NumbersUSA.com which can help AlterNet readers to protect their current jobs.
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Posted by: paulmagillsmith on Dec 11, 2008 10:28 AM
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$140 Trillion is estimated value of all publically traded stocks & bonds
$140 Trillion value of privately held stock
$280 Trillion value of all physical assets & infrastructure
~$50 Trillion world GDP
$684 Trillion exposure in the derivatives market
As you can see when the liability for the derivatives are placed on the balance sheet it becomes heavily skewed toward the red.
Note: Since some as yet unknown quantity of assets backing these derivatives are actually backed by real assets (homes, etc), the $684 Trillion figure is not a total loss.
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Posted by: Last Chance on Dec 11, 2008 3:43 AM
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We need a different system, like the equal sharing of income and labor within each corporation; or a stable network of self-reliant villages that are free to trade with each other for mutual benefit.
But as long as people believe we must "put this economy back on track" to "get this country moving again" and "grow the economy" the boom and bust syndrome will repeat again and again until the Earth slowly collapses under the accumulating tons of waste and garbage, which is happening now as we post.
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Posted by: rotation on Dec 11, 2008 4:14 AM
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I was retired but my mate was not. She worked in Health Care as a Medical Technologist. Her yearly raises from 1997 were 1% while the cost of living rise was 3% or more. By 2004 we were feeling the pinch. I spoke to all of our friends in various professions and their situation was the the same: Low percentage raises compared to the cost of living rise.
Reasons - The Companies and Institutions could get away with it. In our particular case H-1B Visa's helped fuel the wage decline. College kids were not going into Med Tech jobs. The job is high stress and pays poorly compared with Nurses pay. Why work for $14/hr when they could choose nursing for less stress and $22/hr. The Nurse education is less scientifically oriented therefore easier and the monetary gain greater. H-1B Visa workers were in many hospitals far outnumbering US Citizens due to lack of supply.
Undocumented workers helped drive down wages in our community in construction, and local businesses. A friend whose grandparents came here legally from Mexico in 1940 has a grandson that looks hispanic was told at 5 different business in the summer of 2006 that they would pay him from $3 to $6 per hour cash paid daily. They asuumed he was undocumented. His parents went to the local DA who has done nothing. He claims that he is investigating. They are people who are struggling and cannot afford to pursue the matter.
Capitalism cannot work without deep oversight and regulation. The system can only work from the trickle up theory because of greed. Anonymous
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Dec 11, 2008 4:41 AM
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Why is it the MSNBC thinks the public does not realize the conflict of interest having Andrea an Anchor. How many reports, esp during this time have been eliminated because it might 'Hurt' andrea's Husband? How many guests have been Not invited to comment because they would rightly point a finger at her 'Hubby' as part of the Criminality which brought our economy to it's knees?
Add to that her 'insider' status in the Clinton Machine. Not only is her perspective biased but suspect. Funny how Andrea was the First to break the news Hillary was being offered the Sec of State position. Was she or was andrea helping the Clintons kick up the fire beneath Obama to do so? Seh was th eonly reporter willing to report Hillary had been given the post while others still held the position that we won't truely know until the announcement.
If busting the media for having 'Military Experts' acting as mouthpeices for the MIC agenda is Unethical, What makes keeping the Wife of possibly this countries Worst Traitor as a 'News' anchor any different.
Granted Michell has a long history in media, but her objectivity is Blatantly effected by her marriage to Greenspan and her allegience to the Clintons.
It's not only nauseating to watch, It's embarrassing to see the 'Free press' be so obviously restrained.
History has proven Greenspan an Economic Feudalist (Trickle Down is the economy of Monarchies and dictators) and that Clintons have an Autographed copy of the Neo Con handbook (Hillary's campaign tactics,which she gladly handed down to her cohort McCain for the General- 'Radical Muslim Angry Black man' Rhetoric).
MSNBC is my Favorite Cable news channel, but I refuse to be fed Propagnada and LIES through their Mouth piece Andrea!
What will happen if we are able to Indict and prosecute Alan? Would she even allow the 'Breaking News'? Would we be allowed to hear reasons for it's justification. Probably Not,Andrea seems to be holding Court at MSNBC.
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Posted by: HBoyer on Dec 11, 2008 4:51 AM
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The republicans are all about greed, deception and self gratification.
thank you for telling what most people suspected for a long time.
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Posted by: Beagle17 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 AM
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Perhaps the most fundamental example is our apparent need to trust in individual "captain figureheads" in a very Ayn Randish way. Why should Greenspan even have had so much power as a single, fallable individual anyway? Why is so much power given to a president? And, pray tell, why would someone like Paulson ever be given such immense, primal power as he was?
I have always found this bizarre. We love to praise democracy, but we actually seem to hate it and want to run our society more like a pirate ship.
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Posted by: rigross on Dec 11, 2008 6:29 AM
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Many commentators, here and elsewhere, rightly point to a larger context. However, rather than pointing out "overlooked" factors or blaming Republicans, or neo-cons, or bankers or immigrants or the educational system or space aliens or even GREED, it would be more useful to address the systemic failure, a much more difficult task to get our minds around. For a variety of reasons too numerous to enumerate here. The blame game is for losers. OK, many of our most respected leaders in many spheres of human endeavor are psychotic criminals. They see things that are not there and they don't see things that are there. Then they act inappropriately with brute force or ineptitude to preserve an unjust, ultimately destructive system. Hopeless, yes? Well, actually, no.
People all over the world are actively working on real solutions for the real world. The old rules don't work anymore, and we don't yet have the new rules. In the meantime, it would behoove us to do the best we can with what we have that we can rely on, most especially the rule of law. For the good old USA that means the Constitution. We went to sleep for a while and allowed it to be ripped to shreds (illegal search and seizure in the bogus War on Drugs, Presidential signing statements that ignore Congress and the balance of powers provision, the entire Iraq [undeclared]war of choice monstrosity, the still neglected possible treason of Karl Rove, et al, in the very serious matter of outing a covert CIA agent, etc., etc.)In the famous Ben Franklin quote, "Here is your democracy, if you can keep it." We don't need to whine about the "evildoers" or push for some grand scheme that has zero chance of working. The people aroused will not be denied. No punkass terrorist or billionaire robber baron can bring this great nation to its knees, but apathy and ignorance surely will. Change the world anywhere you touch it and the ripple effect will work miracles. The global mind-shift is underway right now. Support that.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Dec 11, 2008 6:35 AM
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Also, an equally bad decision was our collective acceptance of the CFR and its ideology. The CFR was created as a means of destroying the sovereignty of the United States. And they've done it. They are the propaganda arm of the new world order. It was their job to sell us on world government, their global control grid. Their global taxation scheme. Their system of unchallengable unmitigated tyranny. They are the group that is primarily responsible for the propaganda that tricked us into accepting an orwellian world where we now plainly see that everything is upside down.
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Posted by: Kimberly on Dec 11, 2008 6:44 AM
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I also wonder why News Media doesn't expose the U.S. Attorney General's Office and Office of Inspector General, for making illegal agreements with federal contractors to ALLOW felony fraud against the citizens of the United States.
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The Anti-Dumping Statute is Enforced Jointly by the Health Care Financing Administration ( HCFA ) and the Office of Inspector General ( OIG ) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).
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DHHS OIG News Release 21 Oct 1998 ... HHS-TIPS .... T18CFR371CRIME
VOLENTARY DISCLOUSURE of Health Care Fraud
For Immediate Release Contact: ……………Judy Holtz (202) 619-0893
Wednesday, October 21,1998 ……………….Ben St.John (202) 619-1028
The ( DHHS OIG ) Department of Health and Human Services’s Office of Inspector General ( OIG ) today unveiled an expanded and simplified PROGRAM For ( Federal ) Health Care PROVIDERS to 'Volentarily Report' ( internal control / self-audit T42CFR417.1 adverse determination, grievance procedure: misprison of a felony: anti-dumping violation ) Fraudulent Conduct ( T18CFR24Crimes ) Affecting [ Entitled Individuals ] HCFA Medicare/Medicaid, and other ( OPM FEHBP,TRICARE,CHAMPVA ) Federal health care programs. The [ Federal ( OPM FEHBP T5CFR890.105 denial of COVERED Claims ) HMO Contract ] Provider will have the option of doing 'SELF-audit' [ Provider Self-Disclosure Protocol (SDP) see 63 Fed. Reg. 58,399 ~ illegal agreement HHS T42CFR417.1 Systemic Deprivations, misprison of a felony Anti-dumping violation ] in conformance 'with OIG'.
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Posted by: NthnBrazil on Dec 11, 2008 7:11 AM
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The truth is most of the individual mistakes boil down to just one: a belief that markets are self-adjusting and that the role of government should be minimal.
However, in reality the right has said this but not done it. In fact, the role of government in the economy is MASSIVE, just not through regulation. Lobbyists and corporation put millions of dollars in politicians pockets not only to de-regulate but also to create laws that help them beat the competition, keep wages lower, etc etc etc.
If businesses were left to fend for themselves in a truly Laissez-faire system that cut both ways (minimal regulation AND minimal assistance), much of this would also have been avoided.
Unfortunately, without changing the way politics work in this country and the piles of money required to campaign for public office, we are left to rely on regulatory remedies.
So I would agree with Stiglitz broadly on the way forward, but do want to point out that these regulatory choices are inter-twined with our political/lobbying system and a mixed solution that addresses both is required. Otherwise, the new regulatons will be as toothless and useless as Sarbanes-Oxley has been
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Posted by: DHFabian on Dec 11, 2008 8:03 AM
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Consider the newest bailout. Shortly prior to this, I read yet another cheery (Russian news website) item about the newest US auto plant to open in Russia. This was just the latest of the many spankin' new, billion-dollar, state-of-the-art, "Big Three" US auto plants to open in Russia and Eastern Europe over the past few years.
How to finance this tremendously expensive endeavor? Get taxpayers to pay for it. Threaten to shut down jobs in the US, placing the blame on the economic crisis, and DO NOT mention that little detail about moving our jobs overseas. Declare an economic emergency that "will impact thousands of auto workers and bring down the entire US economy." The only way to save the US, and save millions of Americans from desperate poverty, is BAILOUT! Scare the taxpayers so they will willing give the money to finance all those new factories overseas. Get enough money to pay off those new factories.
And after they get the bailout? Ooops, sorry folks, it didn't work, so we can't pay you back. How many times have we repeated this scenario over the past 30 years? This is probably the biggest blackmail scheme in US history, but as long as the people are scared enough to accept no-strings-attached schemes, they'll keep paying until the ship sinks.
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Posted by: Social liberal on Dec 11, 2008 8:56 AM
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This is the kind of false, constrained deregulation that gives free markets a bad name. This is what makes it possible for people like Barney Frank to call for more regulations when in fact it the regulators and regulations that were at fault.
The worst thing is that the main culprits behind the crisis Freddie and Fannie were let by the Democrats loose without any oversight or control. Letting them get away with murder wasn’t deregulation. It was bad governance.
And letting deregulation take the primary blame for a credit-fueled housing bubble and its aftermath isn’t an argument. It’s misdirection.
Is Deregulation to Blame? The new Washington consensus says "yes." The facts on the ground say something different
1. 1. The partial repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 allowed commercial banks to get involved in risky investments, such as mortgage-backed securities.
Institutions that didn’t take advantage of the Glass-Steagall repeal, such as Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns, were the ones that failed most spectacularly, in part because they lacked the stability provided by commercial banking deposits. There is a significant body of academic work supporting this idea. The Rutgers economist Eugene Nelson White, for example, has found that national banks with security affiliates—the sort of institutions Glass-Steagall was designed to prevent—were much less likely to fail than banks without affiliates.
2) The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 guaranteed that high-risk tools such as credit default swaps remained unregulated, opting instead to encourage a “self-regulation” that never happened.
The Washington Post has closely chronicled the clash, concluding that “derivatives did not trigger what has erupted into the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression. But their proliferation, and the uncertainty about their real values, accelerated the recent collapses of the nation’s venerable investment houses and magnified the panic that has since crippled the global financial system.” In other words: The absence of a regulation didn’t cause the crisis, but it may have exacerbated it.
3) A 2004 rule change by the SEC permitted big firms to keep too much debt on their balance sheets.
SEC instituted more subjective, labor-intensive oversight in place of hard and fast guidelines. “They constructed a mechanism that simply didn’t work,” former SEC official Lee Pickard told The New York Sun on September 18. “The SEC modification in 2004 is the primary reason for all of the losses that have occurred.” As The Wall Street Journal editorialized in October: “As for the SEC, if commissioners took on a massive burden in 2004 without realizing they had signed up to safeguard the world’s financial system, then they overreached. But they sure didn’t ‘deregulate.’ ”
It may have actually been a new regulation that kicked off the crisis. In 2007, the FASB new mark-to-market practices. This rule change was a follow-on to the Sarbanes-Oxley reforms of 2003
4) Through all this time, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were allowed to run wild.
Because of their size and politicized culture, they were able to fend off periodic attempts at reform.
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Posted by: crazy carlos on Dec 11, 2008 9:31 AM
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It is this ruling that has given Corporations the power to interfere with our voting process among many other evils.
In 1907 the Supremes ruled in a turf club suite that no such event had occurred by its ruling, later upheld in a 1912 decision.(Western Turf Assn. v Greenberg 204 us 359) 1907.
If this decision can be reversed practically all the problems that "We the People" are running into vis a vis Corporate control go down the drain. And the 1886 ruling was in fact tainted. Nader brought this issue up in his T.V. debate v Can't remember who just prior to the election. This issue was also brought up in a book by Thom Hartman called "Unequal Protection" Carlos
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Posted by: orftc on Dec 11, 2008 10:32 AM
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This may seem like a chicken-or-the-egg concern -- the Clinton White House put this offer to deregulate on the table while very much wanting to deregulate. In terms of the future, however, it will be very difficult to establish new financial regulations without running afoul of WTO rules.
The United States (and world) needs to better regulate the speculators, and it needs to radically reform its "trade" policies that impose severe restrictions on governments ability to regulate commerce.
As Greenspan admitted, the so-called free market ideology that got us where we are today was wrong. What worries me is that Obama is selecting as his key economic advisors folks from the Clinton and Reagan years who got us into the mess we're in and who have yet to fully acknowledge the huge mistakes they made int he past.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 11, 2008 10:41 AM
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Supreme Court Justice Morrison Remick Waite simply pronounced before the beginning of argument in the case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company that "...The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of opinion that it does...The defendant Corporations are persons within the intent of the clause in section 1 of the Fourteen Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Thus, the doctrine of corporate personhood creates an interesting legal contradiction. The corporation is owned by its shareholders and is therefore their property. Hence, if it is also a legal person, then it is a person owned by others and thus exists in a condition of slavery--a status explicitly forbidden by the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution.
So is a corporation a person illegally held in servitude by its shareholders?
Or is it a person who enjoys the rights of personhood that take precedence over the presumed ownership rights of its shareholders?
Thus, the owners of a corporation, also known as shareholders, are, when the Orwellian language is stripped away, modern-day slaveholders, who hold innocent corporations in bondage against the corporation's "free will".
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Dec 11, 2008 11:00 AM
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In other words, "managing risk" is in fact gambling, even though economists insist on talking about it as if it's a good thing. On the contrary: the whole point of banking regulation, as Stiglitz himself says, is to drastically limit risk-taking. If you want to gamble, you do it with your own money, not everybody's.
Now we know.
Years ago, I was very amused to discover that our paper printed the stock pages and race results facing each other - as if they were equivalent. My father, an investment manager, was not amused. I feel vindicated (and he learned better, by the time he retired.)
Gambling with other people's money is embezzlement. It's a crime, and there are a lot of financiers who should go to jail. When they embezzle from everybody, as they did with the help of Summers, Rubin, et al, the whole economy crashes. Good luck with picking up the pieces: last time, it took 10 long years.
Keeping your money in a mattress might be a good idea, but I note that credit unions are doing just fine, because they're required to be very conservative and serve their owner-depositors.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Dec 11, 2008 11:20 AM
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When Benjamin Franklin opened his bank way back when, it functioned well and made a profit! Instead of this sham that we call the "American Treasury" with it's socialized debts, maybe it's time that we nationalized and really had a "US Treasury"!
As long as money is involved we the people must never, ever believe in "the better nature of individuals" leading them to do what is right for society vs amassing more money for themselves! These were lessons learned after the last Great Depression! This time around mooring lines need to be attached to regulations, so that the hubris and avarice that contributed to this fiasco can be checked!
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It's the repackaging/securitization/resale of these contracts that caused this mess. How did that become legal?
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Posted by: KAB on Dec 11, 2008 2:57 PM
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Posted by: Rusthank on Dec 11, 2008 3:43 PM
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It is now time to resurrect the ideas expounded by Edward Bellamy over 110 years ago in his classic novels, 'Looking Backward' and 'Equality' still available in print today at bookstores everywhere. What we are witnessing today is is a replay of the worst features of our economic system of private gain for the few at the expense of the many. It is time to revive the 'Bellamy clubs' that existed throughout this country at the turn of the 19th century to debate the merits of a cooperative economic society for the benefit of all. There has been much written about Bellamy's prophetic views over the past century and variations on the same theme that needs to be the main topic of discussion and democratic action. Anybody interested in pursuing this further, Please post your interest on this blog.
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Posted by: SlyGuy on Dec 11, 2008 4:17 PM
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Thanks.
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Posted by: jimswanson on Dec 11, 2008 6:45 PM
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I’m alarmed that Joseph Stiglitz is not in Obama’s Cabinet. Stiglitz is a five-star truth-telling economist who needs to be in that high-level body.
Obama has appointed too many center-right, business-as-usual politicians.
Even if Obama continues to listen to Stiglitz informally, we can’t count on this approach to be effective. It won’t be.
In any case, let’s remember that real progressive transformation of our nation must be driven from the grassroots up, not from the “top down” by business-as-usual career politicians.
Electing Obama was the easy part. The real work begins today, and again tomorrow, and again each day thereafter.
We must stay engaged, take names, and never give up. Let’s redouble our efforts.
We have the advantage of knowing what to expect from Neanderthals in the Republican Party. They are thus “reliable.” As for our Democratic leaders, we trust them at our peril.
We must keep our friends close, our enemy closer, and our Democratic leaders closest.
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Posted by: crazy carlos on Dec 11, 2008 7:34 PM
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I am not an attorney, but my view of my personal life and that of the burgeoning Police State forces me to be somewhat aquainted
with the courts functions. The courts get an F along with the Executive and Legislative branches of govm.
THIS THING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG!! Carlos
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Posted by: mike_burns on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 PM
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Nothing wrong with getting rich by supplying things that are needed and wanted, but in the last 28yrs it has been getting rich by thievery. Thievery from workers at work, in the markets, and elsewhere That economic model will not stand.
The solution is to start paying people real wages, and protect them from predatory lending.
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Posted by: 24&somuchmore on Dec 11, 2008 11:36 PM
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WHAT is the appropriate punishment for this group of financial terrorists who have damaged our country and our economy more than any cell of 19 Islamic terrorists ever could? And when do we start to see some punishment of the elitist bastards and condemnation of their super rich way of life? Confiscation of assets much as is done with drug dealers, jail time, banishment from any further association with financial entities... THESE people should be vilified, shunned, banned , punished, and they AND THEIR FAMILIES who have benefitted from this should be forced to live at the poorest edges of society. Sometimes, you need a bad example to ensure you don't end up like "them". Not a very Christian viewpoint, but sometimes the "OLD Testament Eye for an Eye" is more applicable.
Oh, sorry. I lost my job today. Thankfully, at 49, I worked hard, saved my money, and can live for several years without working. Maybe I can get a government bailout.
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Posted by: charles-linberg on Dec 12, 2008 7:48 AM
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Posted by: yellow on Dec 12, 2008 10:30 AM
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This money should have been invested in the working economy. The rich have too much money to gamble with in capital markets. A better distribution of wealth would have prevented this mess, not higher real interest rates. The rollback of trade unions, in an endeavor to lower the entire cost structure of the US economy rather than save "ailing industries," led to rapid wage deceleration and shrinking effective comsumer demand in the US over the past thirty years. Jobs and industries were lost anyway as cheap labor lured industries overseas. Income inequality slowed economic growth rates which have never recovered pre-1973 rates. Massive consumer debt has taken up the slack in demand as home equity cash outs have kept the US economy going until two years ago. Monetary policy, especially without requisite capital controls to slow massive inflows of portfolio investment, won't reverse the trends that caused the current financial crisis in America. Reorienting the entire economy toward public investment and full employment will!!
Let's start will public investment in green jobs and a national health system to raise wages, meet human needs and create full employment. The redistributive effect will act as an effective break on short term speculative capital inflows that are so disruptive and that create crisis in financial markets everywhere.
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Posted by: blondesprite on Dec 14, 2008 5:29 AM
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The following has been paraphrased from: The Next American Frontier by, Robert B. Reich.
#1. We (the people) are responsible.
It has a great deal to do with how we have percieved our own roles as citizens. We (collectively) have beggared our neighbors (at home and abroad) in the name of short-term profits. We have ideologically and literally divided ourselves through the game theory of winners and losers. Folks, life is not really a game.
#2. We have one government (us) with two very similar yet deeply divided political and cultural branches, the Dems and Republicans.
The Dems politically, have addressed the civic role of the FED. With the New Deal, Dems adopted the role of caregiver. An after-the-mayhem-scorched-earth-fact of picking up the pieces of our own self destructive, short sighted profit (winning) motives and behaviors.
We have allowed Republicans to dominate and define us through the role of our businesses, our business ethics (or the lack there of) and economic(game)theory.
3. These two warring facets, of ourselves, have produced a schizoid and/or bi-polar national personality disorder, or as Reich's states "a pendulumlike vacillation in Americans' fundamental loyalties".
4. These two warring, but undeniably married facets, produced a mutant third offspring. We gave birth to a delusion of ourselves.
We adopted the bastard child of personhood through the instruments of incorporation.
5. Our bastard child's "inability to understand and respond to the civic responsibilites attendant upon large corporate size helped inspire Populist and Progressive activism around the turn of the century, leading to antitrust legislation and the establishment of the Federal Trade Commssion, to laws governing hours and working conditions, and to (endless) legislation protecting us" from our own bastard mutant child's inventions, rules and perverted play things.
So here we are, parents of and victims of our own bastard offspring, blaming each other, pointing fingers and crying out for some other arrangement. We are collectively locked into our separate camps perpetuating a vicious cycle of parental denial, blame and marital self destruction.
We are the problem. Whether or not we decide to divorce ourselves from this national delusion and game, is the question.
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