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The White Nationalist Behind Bill O'Reilly's War on Christmas

By Max Blumenthal, The Daily Beast. Posted December 9, 2008.


How a racist created the conservative movement's favorite holiday season outrage -- and has O'Reilly dreaming of a pure, white Christmas.

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What would Christmas be without warnings of the secular crusade to destroy it? Thanks to the fulminations of cable news cranks and evangelical moralists, the War on Christmas has become an annual outrage. The story typically goes as follows: secular elements have intimidated stores into replacing the phrase “Merry Christmas” with “Happy Holidays;” nativity scenes have been removed from public spaces under threat of ACLU lawsuits; a decadent culture is moving ever closer to eradicating Christian morality; and America slouches towards Gomorrah.

Judging from the panicked tone of movement conservatives, this year’s War on Christmas campaign threatens the country’s moral fiber more than ever. According to The Wall Street Journal’s Daniel Henninger, the secular Grinch has claimed the economy as its latest casualty. “A nation whose people can't say 'Merry Christmas' is a nation capable of ruining its own economy,” he fumed on November 20. Having laid off 20 percent of its staff the day after Election Day, Christian right mega-ministry Focus on the Family declared “Merry Tossmas” imploring its supporters to toss out holiday season product catalogs that wish shoppers “Happy Holidays.” (The 201 freshly unemployed staffers might have more practical reasons to trash their catalogs.)

“If you can get religion out,” Bill O’Reilly warned, “then you can pass secular progressive programs, like legalization of narcotics, euthanasia, abortion at will, gay marriage.”

On December 2, Utah Republican state senator Chris Buttars sponsored an urgent resolution demanding that stores greet shoppers with the phrase, “Merry Christmas.” “I'm sick of the Christmas wars,” Buttars proclaimed. “We're a Christian nation and ought to use the word.”

The Christmas kulturkampf is a growth industry in a shrinking economy, providing an effective boost for conservative fundraising and a ratings bonanza for right-wing media. So who was the genius that created it? To find the answer, a visit with the ghost of conservatism’s past is in order.

Back during the culture wars of the 1990s, Peter Brimelow, then a Fortune magazine editor, grew incensed with the increasing use of the phrase “Happy Holidays” by retailers like Amazon.com. “I just got real interested in the issue,” Brimelow told The Daily Beast, “because I noticed over the years there was this social shift taking place where people no longer said ‘Merry Christmas.’”

In his 1995 book, Alien Nation, Brimelow argued that the influx of “weird aliens with dubious habits” from developing nations was eroding America’s white Christian “ethnic core,” and in turn, sullying its cultural underpinnings. The War on Christmas was, in his view, a particularly pernicious iteration of the multicultural “struggle to abolish America.”

Brimelow went to his fellow Briton and Tory, John O’Sullivan, then editor of the conservative movement’s flagship publication, National Review, with a big idea. National Review should host “an annual competition for the most egregious attempt to suppress Christmas.” Though O’Sullivan liked Brimelow’s idea, he was replaced as editor on Christmas Eve 1997 by Rich Lowry.

With the exception of a 2001 column in which O’Sullivan blamed “religious minorities” for the War on Christmas, the issue disappeared from the pages of National Review. At the same time, the magazine jettisoned O’Sullivan’s anti-immigration politics in favor of the Big Tent conservatism preferred by younger writers like Jonah Goldberg and Ramesh Ponurru.

The shift at National Review forced Brimelow even further into the political wilderness. Shunned by conservatives there rankled by his unabashed racial resentment -- Goldberg belittled him in a 2002 column as a “once respected conservative voice” -- Brimelow founded what would become the internet’s leading anti-immigration web journal, VDare.com, named for the first British child born in the Americas. Brimelow’s new venture provided a forum to allies like Jared Taylor, a white supremacist publisher, and Kevin MacDonald, an evolutionary psychology professor who has argued that Jews are genetically equipped to out-compete Gentiles for resources and power. In 2003, four years after VDare’s founding, the Southern Poverty Law Center classified the journal as a “hate group.”


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Max Blumenthal is a Puffin Foundation writing fellow at the Nation Institute based in Washington, DC. Read his blog at maxblumenthal.blogspot.com.

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Merry Christmas AlterNet
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Dec 10, 2008 12:32 AM   
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typical AlterNet article but get into the season will you, damm it
I'll make some vegan oatmeal cookies just for you

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» dont call me a troll Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» If it looks like a skunk..... Posted by: leighsure
» You know, "Happy Holidays" . . Posted by: pete ess
» . . its easy if you try . . Posted by: pete ess
» RE: i can tell you... Posted by: WyrdSister
» RE: i can tell you... Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE:christian country? Posted by: WyrdSister
» How ironic... Posted by: bornxeyed
» Re: Merry .... Posted by: bornxeyed
» Happy tossmas Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Happy tossmas Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: Happy tossmas Posted by: Bliss Doubt
This country...
Posted by: adp3d on Dec 10, 2008 12:39 AM   
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...is a freedom of religion, whatever your religion country. People are constitutionally guaranteed to worship the way they want, and to celebrate whatever religious holiday they want.

That said, Christmas is about as secular a holiday as it can get. I know deeply religious progressives, and I know money-grubbing conservatives. Black Friday, Cyber Monday. These are what Christmas is all about any more.

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Jesus was probably born in June...
Posted by: Physiocrat on Dec 10, 2008 1:23 AM   
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» Venus is the brighter one Posted by: bornxeyed
What crap.
Posted by: NZ_brian on Dec 10, 2008 1:53 AM   
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For goodness' sakes; evolution and Darwinism are taught in schools with no credence at all leant to religious, and scientific, creation/intelligent design. Abortion and the collapse of the institution of heterosexual marriage [I'm not anti-gay] are commonplace. And now proprietors daren't display 'merry Christmas' signs for fear of a happy holiday lawsuit quashing their Christmas [oops, I mean holiday] cheer.

And yet the mighty American people still claim Christianity as a religion.

God bless America. Yeah. Right.

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All I want for Christmas...
Posted by: fsuthai on Dec 10, 2008 1:53 AM   
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would be for religions to either mind their own business or get out of our secular republic! If Bill O'Reilly and other hate-mongers & conservative religious zealots left then a great variety of people's of the world could live in peace, harmony, and productivity! Please take the corporate empire conspirators with you...
Happy holidays & a have a nice Christmas day,
Paul, in Buddha Land of Smiles

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» RE: All I want for Christmas... Posted by: 2thepoint
» i deduce from your message Posted by: goatini
» RE: i deduce from your message Posted by: WyrdSister
» You want to be like the Puritans? Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: All I want for Christmas... Posted by: Bliss Doubt
eroding America’s white Christian “ethnic core,”
Posted by: bitsfick on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 AM   
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Another revisionist, the first six presidents of the US had no reglious affiliation, in 1776 95% of Americans were unchurched. For years in this country Christmas was not celebrated as a christian holiday. If your faith is so tenuous that some underpaid store clerk not saying "Merry Christmas" will make you run to the devil, find another god.

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Christmas
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 10, 2008 2:08 AM   
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It's not necessarily a secular vs. religion issue or a matter of political correctness, as they'd have us believe. O'Reilly and Co. are suffering from selective memory loss.

As long as I can remember, part of the Christmas season tradition was to acknowledge Hanukkah as well. So the underpaid "greeter" at Wal Mart is faced with a dilemma of what to say, unless they force all Jews to pin a yellow star to their shirt before entering the store. Hence the practical term "Happy Holidays".

Furthermore, I thought it was a wing-nut and Fundamentalist Christian tradition to insist that Israel can do no wrong. If so, why would Israelis celebrate the "wrong" holiday?

They might have a better case by arguing that Christmas is a traditional holiday rather than a Christian one. This brings most of the Western world on board, including pagans and atheists who celebrate winter solstice, or whatever, and people of all religions who love to shop and spoil their kids. But since they insist on making this a religious issue, they will be faced with big fat contradictions in their story every year.

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» RE: During this holiday... Posted by: phatkhat
All these people fighting about Happy Holidays
Posted by: Annarisse on Dec 10, 2008 3:36 AM   
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All these folks arguing about getting people to say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays" must not celebrate New Year's.

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Xmas is how I say it...lol
Posted by: corey on Dec 10, 2008 3:43 AM   
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I do not know why people even watch FOX. I can't even listen to sound bites from the radio that have Hannity, Coulter, Bush, O'Reilly, (etc) babbling away.

When old-white men die of...which O'Reilly is one, the country and the world will be a better place.

As for Xmas...we all know almost ALL holidays celebrated in the USA were stolen from a former religious celebration. As for Christians being soooo upset, they should look into just how "pagan" Xmas is, as it was created by the pagan-like Catholic - child raping - church, and many Christian hate Catholics...so...throw them all over in the Middle East where the real "culture warriors" are fighting; Muslims, Jews and Christians with thier guns...leave the rest of us in the Secular USA alone.

Also:

Please visit the following organizations, and support/become a member of the ones that suit you. I am a member of 8 of them.
We must try as hard as we can to assure America does not become a theocracy, by keeping religion and politics separate, which will help end hatred, racism, oppression and stop the destruction of this great country Fundamentalist Christians have been trying to destroy !!!

American Humanist Association – http://www.AmericanHumanist.org/

Americans for Religious Liberty - http://www.arlinc.org/

American United for Separation of Church & State - http://www.au.org/

Center For Inquiry - http://www.centerforinquiry.net/

Council for Secular Humanism - www.secularhumanism.org/

First Freedom First - http://www.firstfreedomfirst.org/

Freedom From Religion Foundation - http://www.ffrf.org/

Friends Committee on National Legislation - http://www.fcnl.org/

Humanist.net - http://www.humanists.net/

Interfaith Alliance Foundation - http://www.interfaithalliance.org/

Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers - http://www.maaf.info/

Military Religious Freedom Foundation - http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/

National Secular Society - http://www.secularism.org.uk/

People for the American Way - http://www.pfaw.org/

Political Research Associates - http://www.publiceye.org/

Secular Coalition For America - http://www.secular.org/

Separation of Church and State Homepage - http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/tnpidx.htm/

Talk 2 Action - http://www.talk2action.org/

Theocracy Watch - http://www.theocracywatch.org/

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» Thank you Corey! Posted by: terradea42
» Corey - thanks for a great list... Posted by: yeefreakinhaw
It's a war? Oh, really?
Posted by: pcushniesr on Dec 10, 2008 3:58 AM   
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I feel ridiculous taking time to comment on such silliness as the so-called war on Christmas, but here's a comment anyway. I'll believe there's war when congress begins talking about passing anti-Christmas legislation and people are forbidden by law to observe the day. So far I have heard no rumblings in congress about banning the observance of Christmas, nor do I know of any people who have been prohibited from doing so. Whether or not Christmas observances are carried out in department stores is another matter and really has nothing to do with anything. These are not the places where the true Christmas is found. People who look for Christmas in the aisles of Wal-Mart are always going to be disappointed.

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» RE: It's a war? Oh, really? Posted by: morticia
Let Me Get This Straight
Posted by: jshubbub on Dec 10, 2008 4:19 AM   
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“If you can get religion out, then you can pass secular progressive programs, like legalization of narcotics, euthanasia, abortion at will, gay marriage.” --Bill O'Reilly

Okay, let's see if I grasp this nuanced argument. Since I choose to recognize that there is another religious holiday during this time of year, and I choose to recognize that when I greet someone I don't know that what I say may not apply to them if I am holiday-specific, then the whole of the fabric of society is going to fall apart. So if I'm polite and considerate of others then everything goes to shit. Is that about it?

Of course, I dispute the assertion that a secular progressive agenda is going to unravel the fabric of society so I reject the argument on its premise, but I wanted to make certain that I understood exactly what I was reading.

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Christmas, or whatever you wish to name the holiday
Posted by: MausMasher54 on Dec 10, 2008 4:51 AM   
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season, is just that a "Season" of sharing, friendship, helping one another that should be year round, not just 2 weeks of the year, to be ended with the great American pastime of getting totally snockered New Years Eve. Not a time of an all out capitalist "pig out" to support the inflated prices that seem to strike at this particular time under the guise of a sale. Regardless of religion let us learn to be tolerant in reality, not rhetoric. The current lack of intolerance of this crew is just their continued rage that the USA is not a Theocracy. Sorry as another poster suggested, the Fundies and thier ilk should leave and join the fracas in the Middle East(bet they would not last more than 10 minutes with their condescending attitudes). Just let the rest of us that do not care what your choice of religion or non religion alone to follow our practices and stay secular.

Hey, Bill.....Take the Mormon cultists and other religious zealots along with ya too, it would be nice to have a few decades before the next group of fundy/zealots pop back up onto the scene to complain, but in the meantime the peace and quiet will be enjoyed. JMHO...

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Don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but Xmas is a myth
Posted by: rugger on Dec 10, 2008 5:26 AM   
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to begin with.

Do soem reading, most of the Bible is a distortion and a fabrication, written after the fact, and most likely adaptations from previous religions in the area.

It didn't happen, at least not the way it's been taught for 2000 years.

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» A matter of semantics Posted by: LeeAnnG
Shopping ain't Christmas
Posted by: moleden on Dec 10, 2008 5:49 AM   
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The charlatans who posit this war on Christmas reveal their true nature. First of all, as a Christian, I believe Dec. 25th as the birth of Christ is highly debatable. Even if it is the correct date, to be angry because a corporation won't play along with the prostitution of a sacred event is ludicrous. Spending thousands of dollars per family, to buy a bunch of useless crap in the name of God, is not in the Spirit. This is just a wedge to continue the false leadership that uses the unthinking for evil purposes. Hate is never a Christian value.

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*Sigh*...
Posted by: Duncable on Dec 10, 2008 7:15 AM   
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The War on Christmas: How the Liberal Plot to Ban the Sacred Christian Holiday Is Worse Than You Thought.

The best part about all of this ridiculous "War On Christmas" hoopla is that these good ol' boy, Christian soldiers don't even know the history of their own "sacred holiday"! Oh, the irony...

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» RE: *Sigh*... Posted by: Lauren
I think O'Reilly missed the talking points
Posted by: End The Echo on Dec 10, 2008 7:16 AM   
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I thought the problem for conservatives, in their attempt to restrict choice using the incremental approach, was there already was abortion at will.

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RE: MORON
Posted by: Elmo409 on Dec 10, 2008 7:59 AM   
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And not just any MORON. He's a MORON who was indoctrinated by nuns who scared him into being "good" by beating him with a ruler when he wasn't. He said so himself when interviewed on NPR this morning.

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WWJD?
Posted by: fooltheworld on Dec 10, 2008 7:30 AM   
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If you really want to piss off someone frothing at the mouth about the war on Christmas, suggest that Jesus would probably prefer they find something better to do with their time than to make sure that Wal-Mart wishes him a happy birthday.

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"Happy Holidays" is NOT related to Religion or lack of.
Posted by: weslen1 on Dec 10, 2008 7:30 AM   
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This is not a matter of faith or non faith. It is a matter of marketing. The "Christmas" SALES begin at Halloween. Therefore, "Happy Holidays". "Get your Christmas shopping done early." They can sell "Christmas" through Halloween, Thanksgiving AND Christmas. "Happy Holidays" takes in the whole 3 months.

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O'LIEly has no problem with a sweatshop Christmas but when people think outside the commericial
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 10, 2008 7:30 AM   
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crap, then all of a sudden, O'LIEly and his gang don't wanna hear about it. The term "Merry Christmas" has been BASTARDIZED from the Far Right and this Christian does not appreciate it.

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» Merry Sweatshop Walmart! Posted by: Bliss Doubt
ann thurlow
Posted by: athurlow on Dec 10, 2008 7:51 AM   
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This is so silly; I honestly thought this was settled 40-50 years ago. People have used phrases like "Seasons Greetings" and "Happy Holidays" all of my life, presumably as a result of post-Holocaust and Civil Rights-era ecumenicism. As a retail salesperson, I say "Maerry Christmas" customers on December 24th; in personal life, I say "Merry Christmas" on, or immediately before, Christmas. Saying "Merry Christmas" in late November is ludicrous!

I suppose Mr. O'Reilly, et al, should be grateful that they have nothing else to complain about.

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There is no war on Christmas...
Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Dec 10, 2008 8:12 AM   
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When will people wake up that the faux-War on Christmas is a fundraising scam for the fundamentalists?

It's just another way to get the faithful all worked up, to open their wallets and make the televangelists and evangelical media richer. It's all a cynical scam, folks. Ignore it and it will eventually go away. Even a lot of evangelicals I know are getting sick of it every year - the facade is cracking and they are seeing the greedy hands behind the shouting.

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define merry
Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com on Dec 10, 2008 8:44 AM   
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Merry...an in the moment feeling and acting out of personal jubulation
Christmas...a date in December reserved for celebration of familial regards, falling on the traditonally designated birthday of Jesus Christ
Happy...an all encompassing state of well being in a person's total life
Holidays...a period of time measured from Thanksgiving through the New Years celebration including all religious and secular celebrations

MERRY CHRISTMAS...HAPPY HOLIDAYS
You choose
Which is the more tolerant? More joyous?

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parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Dec 10, 2008 8:46 AM   
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X-mas is a pagan holiday with pagan roots. Instead of "War on Christmas" we should declare "War on Bill O'Reilly" and the Fox Propaganda Channel for pushing this nonsense.

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war on christmas, gimme a break
Posted by: WyrdSister on Dec 10, 2008 9:11 AM   
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maybe acknowledging other religous holidays isnt in their book, so they don't feel the need to treat others how they want to be treated.

xtians have been holiday bullies for a very long time. they want others to recognize their holiday but refuse to reciprocate that gesture. why? do other religions pose that much of a threat to xtrian doctorine? are they that insecure about their scriptures? what is this fear all about? maybe its the fear that the truth will finally shed light on the lies.

personally, i find this to be the most hypocritical of the holdidays. I dont force others to acknowledge my holiday, why should i be forced to recognize someone elses. I already have to put up with so much of it in my face.

all year long i fight for the seperation of church and state, just to come to the end of the year and see a god-damned xmas tree lit up on the white house lawn. i hear people SAY that we are not a christian nation; just wish people would stop ACTING as if we were.

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» Don't Sweat the Christmas Tree Posted by: iolanthe
The Real War on Christmas
Posted by: genxlib on Dec 10, 2008 10:23 AM   
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As a secular progressive, I will gladly represent the straw-man character in their little morality play but they are completely missing the boat.

What they don't seem to understand is that the stores ARE the enemies of Christmas. This nominally religious holiday has turned into an orgy of commercialism and consumerism.

Never has this been more clear than on Black Friday when a Walmart worker was killed in a stampede to get the best deals. Every secular progressive I know was appalled by this but the mainstream society greeted this news with a collective shrug. Just collateral damage in the real war n Christmas

If the christian community really cared about the sanctity of the holiday, they would embrace the shift and declare the stores a no-Christmas zone. This would do a great deal more for securing the meaning of the holiday than the specific verbiage of the niceties muttered to you by overworked store clerks as they sell you one more piece of foreign made junk.

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» RE: thank you Posted by: WyrdSister
» Another excellent comment! Posted by: morticia
» RE: The Real War on Christmas Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Christmas
Posted by: Archie1954 on Dec 10, 2008 10:35 AM   
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There are three great Abrahamic based religions in the world, obviously Judaism, Islam and Christianity. Of these three only Christianity seems to be practiced in countries that profess to be completely secular (I know Israel is a country based on secular Zionism but has Judaism as its focal point). Islam has many faith based governments and judicial systems. Judaism has Israel. Christianity has mostly Western democracies which all have secular governments. That may be the reason that we have these so called problems with not recognizing Christmas in everyday life. It's not that some other religious group is trying to downgrade the Christian aspect of the Day but that with a secular base the only time that Christianity has any prime time so to speak is during its greatest holiday and many Christians and others are loathe to give one more inch on the observance for fear of losing their own identity as Christians.

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» RE: Christmas Posted by: Ellie F.
» RE: Christmas Posted by: jallegro
thank you Christine Gregoire
Posted by: mountainsrock on Dec 10, 2008 11:17 AM   
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My governor allowed an atheist plaque to be displayed in Washington's capitol. It's actually very nice writing about the winter solstice, the REAL REASON FOR THE SEASON.
Bill O'Reilly and others sure got their panties in a bunch about that one.
I'm so lucky to live in a blue state.
Get over yourselves, you so called Christians.
I, also, was 'taught' by nuns.
PEACE

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Caesar77
Posted by: Caesar77 on Dec 10, 2008 11:19 AM   
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Osama bin Laden would feel right at home here. He hates Christianity too.
What the hell is wrong with America.
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE.

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» RE: Caesar77 Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Caesar77 Posted by: masthead
» RE: Caesar77 Posted by: 2thepoint
Joyeux Noel from your friendly neighbourhood pagan!
Posted by: stellabloo on Dec 10, 2008 1:39 PM   
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I don't have a problem with Christmas. I knew it was tied to Saturnalia which was then upgraded to Sol Invictus (and then linked to Mithras) but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that the cycles of nature were the original inspiration for the many faiths that celebrate death and resurrection.

I still celebrate the miracle of the seasons. One of my favorite Christmases was a day I spent doing backcountry ski patrol at the local hill ... it was -15 F and there was the most beautiful optical illusion - like sundogs but rainbow-coloured iridescent pillars of swirling crystals, absolutely magical. In fact, I have been priveleged to see a few magical things over the years and I would humbly remind you that at best we only have some limited idea of our ignorance and therefore can truly only ever be a-gnostic.

Incidentally, people who buy into this fundamentalist crap obviously still believe that the cruci-fiction has something to do with bunny rabbits :.?

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I'm just tired...
Posted by: edraven on Dec 10, 2008 11:54 AM   
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of all this. When Jesus tells me it's true, I'll check his facts and maybe I'll believe him.

Until then, it's just crap.

Ed Graham

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Oh, I'll tell you about this war!
Posted by: EdgyB on Dec 10, 2008 1:26 PM   
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I took down 2 reindeer flying recon over my place last night (that's for that 6-pack of Stinger missles, unc!) and I've got my eye on that salvation ARMY looking joker across the street with his bells (ringing, always ringing! Stealing the vital fluids of my mind!). Oops, the house just shook a little. Guess those carolers found the tripwire.

Yeah, baby! I'm winning this here war! You just wait till next Arbor Day, I should be a nuclear power by then!

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Stupid Damn War Ons...
Posted by: Starfall Deception on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 PM   
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Why does everything and its mom have a war against it?

You know what? I think we only need to have one war: The War On "The War On." It'll be amazing.

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Thanks for the explanation
Posted by: mcubed on Dec 10, 2008 2:45 PM   
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I'm a bit out of the loop, as I don't read/watch the people that have been whipping up anger over this supposed war on Christmas.

But I have a friend who's evidently a footsoldier for the "right" side.

The method of attack I witnessed him using last year was an angry shout of "Merry Christmas" at other co-workers getting on the elevator. It was pretty bizarre.

I included a handwritten "Merry Christmas" inside the "Let there be Peace on Earth" card I gave him.

I've been aware of this thing for a while, but didn't know where it originated. thanks for the article.

Michele

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Wrong
Posted by: willymack on Dec 10, 2008 3:51 PM   
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Billo's not dreaming of a white xmas; he's dreaming of a white mistress.

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oh for chrissake...
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Dec 10, 2008 10:49 PM   
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i know CHRISTIANS who don't do christmas because it isn't CHRISTIAN.

personally, i think christmas has become a CORP-MAS - a disgusting orgy of spending and conspicuous (mass) consumption. IF this were bill-o's complaint then i would agree with him...
but he seems to have no problem with the worship of consumerism...

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In his image
Posted by: Collielady on Dec 10, 2008 11:37 PM   
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Has anybody ever looked at a slice of bread, or a piece of cheese, and seen an image of Bill O'Reilly?

Case closed.

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attacks on christmas
Posted by: WyrdSister on Dec 11, 2008 8:06 AM   
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There is no attack on christmas. This concept is all in your heads. Christianity was based on fear and y'all are just perpetuating that fear by drumming up invisible enemies.

Listen, no one wants to take your holiday away from you, no one wants you to stop celebrating; the message that y'all are not getting is that the rest of us just don't want it in our faces anymore.

Your religious symbols do not belong in any public/government building or lawn. It just doesn't. That is not an attack on you, THAT is just upholding what was already put to paper by the Framers.

I do not care that christianity is the religion chosen by the majority of the nation. Majority does not rule in this case. I am not christian and I happen to know that there are plenty more who are not; that means that our shared government represents us both. Therefore our shared government cannot favor one religion over another....THAT means that either ALL religous symbols be included OR none. I vote for NONE.

The time has come for Christians to stand up and ACT like the person for which you are named. All we are asking you to do is be courteous. That's it. If you cannot be courteous, i am afraid that you will be left behind at the Rapture; You cannot treat others this badly and expect to get into your Heaven.

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RE: The Real Chrismas Wars are unknown to you or O'Reilly
Posted by: goatini on Dec 11, 2008 2:57 PM   
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We just had to ask
Maybe some one out of heaven
Would hear us down here

We couldn't bear to stand
How the people leave us waiting
For something up there

Oh, why did you leave?
Why won't you come?
And save us again?

Come back to us spiders
Come uncrush my hands
Let peace and beauty reign
And bring us love
again, like you can

We just didn't know
Some one there outside of heaven
Heard us down here

We couldn't stand it here
Other people leave us longing
For something up there

Oh, why did you leave?
Why won't you come?
And save us again?

Come back to us spiders
Come uncrush my hand
Let peace and beauty reign
And bring us love
again, like you can

So much time, we need
to ask everything
How did it go, you need it I got it

Come back to us spiders
Come uncrush my hand
Let peace and beauty reign
And bring us love
again, like you can

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I hope you have a white one
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Dec 11, 2008 4:45 PM   
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Bob Dorough's lyrics to Miles Davis' "Blue Xmas" (which, in the song, is pronounced ex-mas):

Blue Xmas, when you're blue at Christmas time
you see right through all the waste, all the sham, all the haste and plain old bad taste

Sidewalk Santy Clauses are much, much, much too thin, wearing fancy rented costumes, false beards and big fat phony grins

And nearly everybody's standing round holding out their empty hand or tin cup, gimme gimme gimme gimme, gimme gimme gimme, fill my stocking up, all the way up

It's a time when the greedy give a dime to the needy

Blue Christmas, all the paper, tinsel and the fal-de-ral

Blue Xmas, people trading gifts that matter not at all, what I call fal-de-ral, bitter gall, fal-de-ral

Lots of hungry, homeless children in your own backyard while you're very, very busy addressing twenty zillion Christmas cards

Now, Yuletide is the season to receive and oh, to give and ahh, to share, but all you December do-gooders rush around and rant and rave and loudly blare Merry Christmas

I hope you have a white one, but for me it bleeds

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Wouldn't be an issue...
Posted by: PandaBear on Dec 11, 2008 6:22 PM   
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...if the right wing loons hadn't made it into one.

If they wanna say "Merry Christmas" then they should just do it. But if you're doing it just to push your religion on other people, it's not the best way to spread the joy.

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What do the Xtns think they're doing.......
Posted by: tap17x on Dec 12, 2008 7:55 PM   
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......claiming Xmas for themselves? Jesus ministered only to Jews and disregarded everyone else. These days many religions have a celebration around 12/25, for example the Jews that Jesus belonged to. The arrogant Xtn motherfuckers, like O'Reilly, should just forget about the Xmas that they are ruining. Also Jesus was a total myth, swiped from older religions. He never existed, any more than Horus or Osiris or Zoroaster. If the imbecile Xtns used more than 1% of their putative brains they might learn something about their own hideous religion.

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O'Reilly's War
Posted by: Lilly on Dec 13, 2008 7:42 AM   
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Yesterday I went to the Post Office to buy a bunch of stamps for Christmas cards. I was shown all of the seasonal stamps I could choose from. Time was I would have taken the Nativity scene, but now that reminds me of Bill O'Reilly and the Religious Right so I rejected it. Instead I chose the stamp honoring the Muslim holiday Eid, not because of religious sentiment but because I found it the prettiest stamp, with its swirling Arabic script in gold against a blue background.

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Was Jesus a White Nationalist?
Posted by: yellow on Dec 13, 2008 10:32 AM   
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Many White Nationalists (is white a nation?) are non-religious. Many like the KKK are quite religious. One thing is sure. Jesus would rebuke them all. Hate should not be a Christian Value. Sadly many who claim to be followers of Jesus don't get it.

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