It is self-defeating to say we must get the economy "back on track" and also pledge to stop environmental destruction. Obviously, it is growth of the economy that is destroying the environment. But the present economic recession offers an opportunity to re-shape human society to live at peace with each other and in balance with Nature. For that purpose, two absolutely indispensible priorities are --

1. Safely recycle 100% of all waste and garbage. No more land fills and no more ocean dumping. Convert all waste and garbage into usefull by-products.

2. Establish family planning clinics Worldwide and guarantee to each and every woman the legally protected right to decide if and when to birth her children.

To survive the rampant greed of money-addicted robber barons, all industrial enterprises must convert to green economics for a smaller human population = public and environmental safety first, last and always. Today our growing population and expanding industries are polluting and killing this planet Earth, which we cannot live without. If we want to have a tomorrow and a future, we must change, now.

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The Rewilding of America -- the Illuminati dream to herd everybody into a few population centers in the East and bulldoze down the houses, tear up the roads, and give everything back to the grizzly bears and wolves.

These people are eugenicists and they have got serious plans and means to exterminate most of the human population.

People need to start waking up a lot faster. People are waking up but it's not fast enough, and then once people do wake up a lot of them go into a period of denial after that, soon as they find one straw of hope to dispel all of what they know to be true. By the time they get through that phase, the denial phase, it may be too late to save ourselves or the country.

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First of all, what on earth is salt of the earth on about? who said anything about eugenics or "re-wild"ing?

Being that my back yard is the Rocky Mountain National Park, this is an issue that literally hits home. Our park system is in desparate need of some progressive management. Many of Obama's cabinet picks as of late have obviously been rather discouraging for most of us in this community. It is starting to feel like his "Team of Rivals" are rivals to the public as opposed to each other. This would be a great relief for me AND my backyard.

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1. An end to the ban on Cannabis so that we can use hempseed oil instead of crude oil for all our manufacturing and fuel needs which in return saves and even repairs the environment.

2. Ending government subsidies to Big Agri so that previously environmentally friendly family farms can have a business.

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We the world population really need leaders who understand what is happening to the world and will stop pouring money into the bottomless pockets of conscienceless greedy thugs.

Just think, Florida dwellers - if Bush had taken Global Warming seriously, you might still have land to leave to your grandchildren. As things stand (or sink) now it seems you can start packing pretty soon.

1966 is a long time ago, but some of us still remember what happened to the waste from a coalmine dumped on a stream up in the Welsh hills. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberfan Read the report if you have a strong stomach, this is what greedy careless government can do for you.

Your child is worth 500 pounds sterling? How much is that, 750 US dollars?

Don't let it happen again, please. A stream is the last place any intelligent being would think of dumping waste.

And greed is not evidence of intelligence.

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Patrick Appel said, "there are plenty of modern-day self-proclaimed progressives who still back the war on drugs. "

I dare him, name one.

I think 'Progressive' is by definition, my definition, against the drug war. If there is anyone who thinks otherwise, I will be more than happy to have a big argument with them about it.

To that argument I say, bring it on. Perhaps Patrick is talking about himself? He can't be progressive if he is pro-drug war. It is not possible.

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Grijalva would be an excellent choice, but this is a position which has many highly qualified candidates, including John Kitzhaber, former Governor of Oregon, Brian Schweitzer, current Governor of Montana, Roy Romer, former Governor of Colorado, Tim Wirth, former Chair of Clinton's climate change agency, and Norm Dicks, Chair of the House Interior Sub-Committee. Environmentalists should be happy if any of these individuals are chosen for Secretary of the Interior.

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Obama's progressive... out in the wilderness!

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Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
The truth about religion can be found in these books and others:

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger. Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.

"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." Science is a process, not a religion.

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.

"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?

"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith

"God is not Great; how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens, 2007

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As a sophomore undergraduate student in Physics, your homework in Probability
and Statistics class may include figuring out when the second coming would be
required, assuming that the bible was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when
would the bible be down to 50% true? The popular and professors' answer in
1965 was the year 500. The true answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in
Budapest, Hungary. As an adult, he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he
visited his home town of Budapest. He was unable to communicate with his high
school classmates because the Hungarian language had changed so much. The
correct answer is less than 25 years. The first gospel was not written down until
50 years after the alleged events and then in a different language. The people who
told the story were at about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean
Native Americans before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played
the game called "Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers.
By the Sixth re-telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel
story had to have been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first
time. [Note that whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever
he wanted to. The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text
by reading it. Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion:
There is no truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to
know what "jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or
did.

ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.". Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".

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Reference: "Google and the myth of universal knowledge"
by Jean-Noel Jeanneney 2007 The original is in French.

When you do a Google search, you get "sponsored" links
on the right side and "non-sponsored" links on the left.
The "NON-SPONSORED" links on Google ARE LISTED
IN THE ORDER OF THE HIGHEST BIDDER to lowest
bidder. Companies pay dollars to Google to get web sites
other than their own that lie in favor of the paying company
to be at the top of the "non-sponsored" list. Google search
results in your getting nothing but corporate propaganda.
Since the coal industry has a $100 Billion per year income
at stake, they can and must share a lot of money with
Google.

Page 32: 62% of internet users questioned make no
distinction whatever between advertising and other
information, and only 18% proved capable of telling which
data were paid for by companies for their promotion and
which were not."
"92% of users of search engines have full confidence in the
results of their search, and 71% (users for less than five
years) consider that information from this source [Google]
is never biased in any way."

Suggestion: Use only Google Advanced or Google Scholar.
On Google Advanced, specify either the .gov domain or the
.edu domain. Otherwise, use only web sites that
www.RealClimate.org uses.

George W. Bush messed up as many government
web sites as he could get away with, but your chances are
still clearly better than going to the richest propagandist
.com or .org.
Better yet: Get a degree in science so that you can figure
it out for yourself.

There should be a law requiring Google to disclose the above
and the donors and the dollars for each "non-sponsored" link.
Environmentalists should work on Google legislation first.

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Reference: "Web Dragons" by Witten, Gori and Numerico 2007.

The search engines do not understand the web pages they find for you. They are
just machines. They have no idea of whether or not the web pages they find tell
the truth. In the US, we have "freedom of speech," which means that nobody has
to prove that anything is true before publishing it. We also have a coal industry
that has a gross income of $100 BILLION per year. That $100 BILLION per year
could be easily sunk by the nuclear industry unless you can be persuaded that
nuclear power is dangerous. [The truth is that a coal fired power plant puts 100
times as much radiation into your environment as the nuclear power plant. The
truth is also that natural background radiation is 10 times what you get from a coal
fired power plant.] Do the coal companies have an incentive to lead you astray?
Yes. Is $100 BILLION per year enough incentive? Yes. Can the coal industry
afford to hire doctors, economists, environmentalists, website designers, computer
scientists, psychologists, advertising agencies, and lots of other people on $100
BILLION per year? Of course. Can the coal industry afford to set up hundreds
of web pages on hundreds of computers in hundreds of locations and "game" the
search engines on $100 BILLION per year? Yes. And they do.

How hard is it to find the truth on the web? Very hard. Most web sites have a
monetary reason for existing. People who know the truth and are willing to tell
you the truth don't have much economic reason to do so. It is hard to make money
by telling the truth. Nobody ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence
or overestimating the gullibility of the average person. So how are you going to
find out the truth for sure? There is only one way. You have to become a
scientist. You will have to spend a minimum of 4 years in college to get the
minimum degree, the B.S. You should really spend more like 15 years and get a
post doctoral degree.

THERE ARE ZERO HUMAN AUTHORITIES.
Scientists do not vote on what is the truth. There is only one vote and Nature
owns it. We find out what Nature's vote is by doing Scientific [public and
replicable] experiments. Scientific [public and replicable] experiments are the
only source of truth. [To be public, it has to be visible to other people in the
room. What goes on inside one person's head isn't public unless it can be seen on
an X-ray or with another instrument.]
Science is a simple faith in Scientific experiments and a simple absolute lack of
faith in everything else. Do not trust any human, not even yourself. Trust only
the experiments that you personally perform. Otherwise, you will be misled.

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They really don't come close to the war germs devised by the
Soviet Union that could make us extinct, nor do nuclear bombs
match global warming because global warming could make us
extinct. We would need 10000 times as many nuclear weapons
as we have to make ourselves extinct with them.

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They really don't come close to the war germs devised by the
Soviet Union that could make us extinct, nor do nuclear bombs
match global warming because global warming could make us
extinct. We would need 10000 times as many nuclear weapons
as we have to make ourselves extinct with them.

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October 2006 Scientific American

"EARTH SCIENCE
Impact from the Deep
Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and sea, not
asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass extinctions.
Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions build once again?
By Peter D. Ward
downloaded from:

Scientific American

....................Most of the article omitted......................
But with atmospheric carbon climbing at an annual rate of 2 ppm
and expected to accelerate to 3 ppm, levels could approach 900
ppm by the end of the next century, and conditions that bring
about the beginnings of ocean anoxia may be in place. How soon
after that could there be a new greenhouse extinction? That is
something our society should never find out."

Press Release
Pennsylvania State University
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, Nov. 3, 2003
downloaded from:
PennState

"In the end-Permian, as the levels of atmospheric oxygen fell and
the levels of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide rose, the upper
levels of the oceans could have become rich in hydrogen sulfide
catastrophically. This would kill most of the oceanic plants and
animals. The hydrogen sulfide dispersing in the atmosphere would
kill most terrestrial life."

www.astrobio.net is a NASA web zine. See:

Astrobiology 1

Astrobiology 2

Astrobiology 3

Astrobiology 4

These articles agree with the first 2. They all say 6 degrees C or
1000 parts per million CO2 is the extinction point.

The global warming is already 1.3 degree Farenheit. 11 degrees
Farenheit is about 6 degrees Celsius. The book "Six Degrees" by
Mark Lynas agrees. If the global warming is 6 degrees
centigrade, we humans go extinct. See:
Six Degrees

"Under a Green Sky" by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007.
Paleontologist discusses mass extinctions of the past and the one
we are doing to ourselves.

OIL SHALE, TAR SANDS AND COAL MUST BE LEFT IN
THE GROUND TO AVOID THE EXTINCTION OF US
HUMANS.
We have to convert to plug-in hybrid cars so that electricity made
by low-CO2 methods powers most of our driving. Nuclear power
produces the least CO2 of ANY source of electricity.
32 countries have nuclear power plants. Only 9 have the bomb.
The top 4 producers of CO2 all have nuclear power plants, coal
fired power plants and nuclear bombs. They are the USA, China,
India and Russia. Reducing CO2 production by 90% by 2050
requires drastic action in the USA, China, India and Russia.
Coal, oil shale and tar sands must be left untouched in the ground.

I have no connection to the nuclear power industry.

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Read: "Collapse" by Jared Diamond and "The Long Summer" by Brian Fagan.
Something like 2 dozen civilizations have already disappeared because of climate
changes smaller than the one we have already caused. Starvation was the cause of
death. The rich have no more chance of being the 1 in 10,000 who survive than
anybody else. The most likely survivors are living in the stone age in a jungle or
on a tundra far, far away from you. The survivors have never seen or heard of a
computer. They are living like the "indians," the native Americans, did 600 years
ago. If you are reading this, you will not survive a crash of our civilization.
If you want to keep your computer and survive, you don't have enough
ammunition unless you live inside and army ammunition plant.

The following is an article by Mark Lynas based on his book Six Degrees: Our
Future on a Hotter Planet. It was published in the Guardian on 23 April 2007. The
original version is available here.

1ºC: Nebraska isn’t at the top of most tourists’ to-do lists. However, this dreary
expanse of impossibly flat plains sits in the middle of one of the most productive
agricultural systems on Earth. Beef and corn dominate the economy, and the Sand
Hills region – where low, grassy hillocks rise up from the flatlands – has some of
the best cattle ranching in the whole US. But scratch beneath the grass and you
will find, as the name suggests, not soil but sand. These innocuous-looking hills
were once desert, part of an immense system of sand dunes that spread across the
Great Plains from Texas in the south to the Canadian prairies in the north. Six
thousand years ago, when temperatures were about 1C warmer than today in the
US, these deserts may have looked much as the Sahara does today. As global
warming bites, the western US could once again be plagued by perennial drought –
devastating agriculture and driving out human inhabitants on a scale far larger than
the 1930s “Dustbowl” exodus.

1ºC is 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit. Since the year 1750, we have already caused 1.3
degrees Fahrenheit of global warming. You didn't notice it because you are not
300 years old. The rate of global warming continues to speed up. It won't take
much longer. Only another half a degree Fahrenheit and Americans stop eating.
American civilization collapses and 99.99% of all Americans and Europeans die.
Cannibalism happens.

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Can you think of a time that a Secretary of the Interior, ANY Secretary of the Interior in ANY administration, has done ANYTHING newsworthy?

Get fucking serious.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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I live in Arizona.
Flagstaff to be precise.
I've seen first hand how they handle land management.
the wealthy class are really injoying it up here.
While the poor working class are having to live in apartment rentals and trailer parks paying outragous rental fees for a place to live.
Cause most can't afford a home in Flagstaff
In Oak Creek canyon you have to pay for a hiking pass to hike the canyon.
and you get find heavly if you walk off the trail or found camping,other than the designated camp grounds.
Because they claim their concern about the endangered plants in the canyon.
While the wealthy tear up land to build their million dollar homes in the canyon.
They were talking about a tole fee to drive thru the canyon.
Greed nothing but greed and hipocracy behind this scam.
They won't be happy until we have no freedoms or rights at all.

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The government is already starting the food raids (in Ohio this week of a food coop).

People have gone totally raving mad. Nobody has an ounce of sense.

People want to die, to have a tyranny, and cannot think one rational thought on their own.

God help us all.

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Native Americans?

I hope whoever Obama chooses will work to repair the damage that has been done to our country's native peoples and restore what's been deteriorated over the past 8 years. We could learn a lot from The First Americans. We need to listen to them and respect their beliefs. They should have a say in what happens in our government, too.

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