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When Faith Turns Deadly

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted December 5, 2008.


Larry Beinhart, author of Wag the Dog, discusses religion, politics and hucksters in his new novel.

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Larry Beinhart's thrillers are not only pointedly political, but also, as they say on Law and Order, ripped from the day's headlines. In The Librarian, he tackled dirty tricks in national political campaigns; in American Hero -- which became the movie Wag the Dog, with Robert DeNiro and Dustin Hoffman -- Beinhart looked at the ease with which the media can be manipulated to sow fear of national-security threats to an often-insular public.

In his new novel, Salvation Boulevard, Beinhart drills into the nexus between religious fundamentalism, politics and the deadly ways the two often mix. AlterNet recently asked Beinhart to shed some light on a touchy subject.

Joshua Holland: All your books have a political component -- and of course you write nonfiction as well. Tell me about the larger themes you were trying to tease out in this book?

Larry Beinhart: The pitch meeting summary is: The corpse is an atheist professor, the accused an Islamic foreign student, the defense attorney is a Jewish lawyer, the investigator is a born-again Christian -- The Mystery is God. God is the great mystery. Does God exist or not? If not, why do so many believe? And why do people believe so fervently they will kill and die for their belief in a particular version of God? One that is, to an outsider, indistinguishable from several others.

If God does exist, why doesn't he tell a straight story, once and for all? (Yes, I know that each believer in each version believes he has, but not so that he could convince a jury consisting of believers in a variety of the others.) If God is a delusion, and a delusion is, by definition dysfunctional, how come I have so many delusional friends who are wealthier, more successful and apparently happier than I am?

In order to answer those questions successfully, we need to answer, or at least encounter, a bunch of the other long-term puzzles of philosophy. Questions like: What is truth? How do we determine truth? Can religion be studied by science? What is science?

And if morality doesn't come from God, where does it come from? To answer that, we have to figure out what morality is.

Now, I find such questions to be lots of fun. Many people find them stressful or tedious. My solution to that is to put only the tips of the icebergs in the book and put the full bergs (there's a Jewish joke in there somewhere) in a series of upcoming articles on AlterNet and on my blog, larrybeinhart.com.

While the novel itself is full of drama, intrigue, some kinky sex, a slug from a 9mm, a touch of torture here and there (hey, it was written in the Age of Bush), schemes and double-crosses.

Religion is the major cause, or at least the major excuse for, mass violence in the 21st century. Late in the 20th, we saw the reemergence of the theocratic state. In the hard sense, as the Islamic Republic of Iran, in the soft sense, as the domination of America by the Republican Party, a party which exists in a state of codependency with the religious right.

There is also a structural issue that relates to economics. People have theological attitudes about economic theory. Marxism (may it rest in peace) was long criticized as being like a religion, a faith that instructed its followers to leave reason and reality behind and that did so successfully. The same may be said, accurately, of the neo-free-marketeers.

JH: Your protagonist is a dyed-in-the-wool, white, evangelical Christian who comes with all the baggage that entails. Later in the book, uncertainties creep in, but through much of it, he shares the common belief that wicked liberals are trying to destroy America -- all that jazz. You're a nice, liberal Jewish boy -- what was it like to get into the head of a character like that?

LB: To make the story interesting, really interesting, it had to be from the inside, from belief. That's where the drama comes from, from confrontation of beliefs with realities and contradictions and crisis.


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So Typical
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Dec 5, 2008 4:13 AM   
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Although I can't really comment on the book, I had a feeling where the direction of this article was heading.

Just a light sprinkle..........a dusting of radical Islamic views.
Hardly a hint of the violence coming from the radical Arab street.

It's those damn Christians! They're the problem.


Ridiculous. Typical.



Allstar Cookie

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All the Lies Fit to Believe
Posted by: writerman on Dec 5, 2008 4:58 AM   
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Larry Beinhart is clearly an educated, intelligent, creative, talented guy. I agree with almost everything he says. What I do find slightly amusing though, given his remarks about reality vs. mythology, is his attitude to Barack Obama, who, in many ways, is the epitomy of the "liberal myth" made flesh. If Beinhart thinks that a vote for Obama was a rejection of another Great Depression, he is sadly and tragically mistaken.

Both candidates and their teams created two rival and contrasting 'personas' and presented these 'mythologies' as reality to the American people. What's facinating, is how similar they were to each other under the campaign rhetoric make-up.

So, it appears that it isn't just 'dumb' Republicans that believe in myths, liberals have their own set of myths too. Maybe they aren't half as smart as they think they are? In the words of the old Elvis Costello song, "It's the lies that you believe that scare me so."

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hats are key
Posted by: mwildfire on Dec 5, 2008 7:16 AM   
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I haven't read the book either--as far as I know it isn't even out yet. But I want to respond to the article--it touches lightly on something I've long noted: that fundamentalists of any religion are extremely similar, much more alike than any of them is to the non-fundamentalists of their own religion. Invariably, they want women to shut up and do as they're told, and hide their sexuality because of its disturbing effect on people (in this view, people are all male--females are not subjects but objects, Other). It's terribly, overwhelmingly important to be religious, and to be religious in a certain way. Any other viewpoint is heresy, abominable, worthy of death...sometimes especially those views that come closest to agreement with the adherent's. Although God and Heaven are the end-all and be-all and much more important than this life, various details of this life are extremely important. There is little difference in the prescriptions and proscriptions, but
A--the Sabbath is Sunday for the Christian wing, Saturday for the Jews, and Friday for the Muslims, and
B--Christians wear no hats, Jews wear skullcaps, Muslims if female wear headscarves, and Sikhs wear turbans.
C--Jews have kosher food rules, Muslims have halal and Christians have their fasts, varying by denomination.
These are matters of great import.
I do have a bone to pick with Beinhart, though--he makes the usual odd assumption that Bush and Cheney. et al, are telling the truth about their motives. Thus, that their intent was to spread democracy through the Middle East, only they failed. Seeing as there is enormous evidence that these guys lie regularly, and that all evidence is that their motives are indistinguishable from those of oil companies, isn't it more likely that SUPPRESSING democracy was the real goal, and establishing giant bases near the oil fields? The fact that a million Iraqis are dead and four million displaced is not a failure if your goal is to arrange for Iraqi oil to flow to Shell and BP and Chevron on the oil companies' terms. The fact that four thousand Americans are dead is minor if those Americans are seen the way we see those colorful plastic cubes we call our "armies" when we play Risk. I'm quite confident that Cheney and his chimp see "the brave troops" in exactly that light.

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Myths and reality and other things lying around the house
Posted by: solrev on Dec 5, 2008 7:45 AM   
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“If God does exist, why doesn't he tell a straight story, once and for all?” We mystics ask, to which people and at what time in the space time continuum would God tell the straight story? At what time would the knowledge exist in the dimension of the flush to understand the straight story? The answer my friend is blown on the wind, and that is why God never wrote a book.

“Religion is the major cause, or at least the major excuse for, mass violence in the 21st century.” This is true only if one assumes Stalin’s Russia and Mao’s China was the result of religious motivation. However we mystics believe that religion is often a means of advancing one’s individual goals, no matter how many birds of a feather flock together.

“The primary function of fundamentalist religion is a world of order.” We fundamentalist mystics believe that God created the world order with a big bang, our job is to understand that order, not to create it.

“One of the primary selling points of fundamentalist religion is patriarchy.” We mystics look at the species past and present and find many examples of species that have a patriarchy or a matriarchy structure based primarily on reproduction. We then ask, in Homo Sapiens, which came first patriarchy or religion? While we mystics have nothing to sell, we do believe that the patriarchy structure will exist until his head has bruised our heel, and the last shall be made first. If patriarchy is a species survival mechanism, I would like to be there to see the revelation that can change that.

See why I like Beinhart, I see in him exactly what he sees in me, myths and reality do not leave home without them.

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Evangelicals in Iran
Posted by: rst2536 on Dec 5, 2008 9:27 AM   
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For Jesus freaks who now are plotting
Religion in the public square,
Perhaps you ought to go glob-trotting
And see Iran and its nightmare-
Enforcing on a single nation
The status of one congregation;
Who think there’s nothing left to teach
Except for what their mullahs preach;
Who send out goon squads as marauders
Investigating all parked cars
To see who’s leading seminars
On J.K.Rowling’s Harry Potters
Then, after beating them for fraud,
They’re strung up in the name of god.

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Dealing with religious whackos
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Dec 5, 2008 10:18 AM   
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If only there was some way we could gather them all up, and like, ship them to a special camp where they can do arts and crafts all day, and they'd be fed and clothed and occasionally roasted in a giant oven.

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"When I became a man, I put aside childish things."
Posted by: Sojourner on Dec 5, 2008 10:23 AM   
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All this talk about religion and no mention of the author’s self-justification? Religion is about self-justification, or if you happen to believe in divinity, justification by God.

Beinhart writes to make a living. I would guess that, if asked, he would admit that he has to sell his soul as do we all. That’s even what allows him to portray different characters, all of whom are and must be reflections of himself.

I have no objection to him tossing around terms like God, theology, religion, even while he does so purely for the purpose of entertainment. It is easy to mistake religion for a form of entertainment.

And it is easy to mistake exploiting a context of organized religion’s activities for something more than entertainment. But those are apples and oranges.

I expect he will continue to enrich himself by diluting the apples with oranges. It’s a better way to make a living than being a hit man. Yet both of those justify their existence on the same terms—wealth.

What I’m trying to say is that Beinhart hasn’t the foggiest idea of what religion is all about. One thing it is about is people who laugh all the way to the bank. Phonies. Frauds. Con men. Writers for whom everything is just grist for their mill. Such have every right to do as they wish, so long as they don’t break the law.

Anyone who takes them seriously, however, has yet to grow up. Playing with religion is like children playing house. Grown ups don’t play with what is genuine.

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Religious "faith" is clearly a mental disorder
Posted by: Moonray on Dec 5, 2008 2:20 PM   
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Religion is not mysterious or even very special, as neuroses go. The need to believe in an imaginary father figure who runs the entire universe is a very widespread and very dangerous psychological flaw. This human quirk results in thousands of deaths each year and untold misery around the globe.

Religious believers are illogical to the point of psychosis, especially because they require no evidence whatsover to support their beliefs. They will believe just anything, and do. In effect each one says at some point: "I like this story so I will believe it, even though it doesn't make much sense and there is no supporting evidence." Why their gullibility? Stress, anxiety, the existential horror of knowing we all will die without a clue as to why we were born or whether our consciousness will survive death. No wonder religious zealots are capable of anything; they see that magical guy in the sky as their only protector.

But with nuclear weapons proliferating, all this will end badly unless humans abandon religion along with nationalism and other forms of primitive thinking. And there isn't much time left. If humans are unable to move beyond magical thinking, we can only hope that the next species that evolves to replace us will have better sense.

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Fundamentalist Christianity Will Destroy America
Posted by: corey on Dec 6, 2008 12:32 AM   
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Please support the following organizations to assure America does not become a theocracy, by keeping religion and politics separate, which will help end hatred, racism, oppression and stop the destruction of this great country Fundamentalist Christians have been trying to destroy !!!

American Humanist Association - www.AmericanHumanist.org/

American United for Separation of Church & State - http://www.au.org/

Council for Secular Humanism - http://www.secularhumanism.org/

Freedom From Religion Foundation - http://www.ffrf.org/

Friends Committee on National Legislation - http://www.fcnl.org/

Interfaith Alliance Foundation - http://www.interfaithalliance.org/

Military Religious Freedom Foundation - http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/

Secular Coalition For America - http://www.secular.org/

Corey Mondello
www.CoreyMondello.com

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