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Let's Hope India Doesn't React Like We Did to 9/11

By Juan Cole, Outlook India. Posted December 2, 2008.


The choices India makes now about the threat of terrorism will help determine what kind of superpower it will be.

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Many Indians have called the attacks in Mumbai "India's 9/11." As an American who lived in India, I can feel India's anguish over these horrific and indiscriminate acts of terror.

Most Indian observers, however, were critical in 2001 (and after) of how exactly the Bush administration (i.e. Dick Cheney) responded to September 11. They were right, and they would do well to remember their own critique at this fateful moment.

What where the major mistakes of the United States government, and how might India avoid repeating them?

Remember Asymmetry

The Bush administration was convinced that 9/11 could not have been the work of a small, independent terrorist organization. They insisted that Iraq must somehow have been behind it. States are used to dealing with other states, and military and intelligence agencies are fixated on state rivals. But Bush and Cheney were wrong. We have entered an era of asymmetrical terrorism threats, in which relatively small groups can inflict substantial damage.

The Bush administration clung to its conviction of an Iraq-al-Qaeda operational cooperation despite the excellent evidence, which the FBI and CIA quickly uncovered, that the money had all come via the UAE from Pakistan and Afghanistan. There was never any money trail back to the Iraqi government.

Many Indian officials and much of the Indian public is falling into the Cheney fallacy. Even if the attackers were from the Lashkar-e Taiba, we should not jump to the conclusion that this mission was planned or authorized by the Pakistani government, which has cracked down on the LeT since 2002. 

Keep Your Eye on the Ball

The Bush administration took its eye off al-Qaeda and the Taliban, and instead put most of its resources into confronting Iraq. But Iraq had nothing to do with al-Qaeda or the Taliban. Eventually this American fickleness allowed both al-Qaeda and the Taliban to regroup.

Likewise, India should not allow itself to be distracted by implausible conspiracy theories about high Pakistani officials wanting to destroy the Oberoi Hotel in Mumbai. (Does that even make any sense?) Focusing on a conventional state threat alone will leave the country unprepared to meet further asymmetrical, guerrilla-style attacks.

Avoid Easy Bigotry about National Character

Many Americans decided after 9/11 that since 13 of the hijackers were Saudi Wahhabis, there is something evil about Wahhabism and Saudi Arabia. But Saudi Arabia itself was attacked repeatedly by al-Qaeda in 2003-2006 and waged a major national struggle against it. You can't tar a whole people with the brush of a few nationals that turn to terrorism.

Worse, a whole industry of Islamphobia grew up, with dedicated television programs (0'Reilly, Glen Beck), specialized sermonizers, and political hatchetmen (Giuliani). Persons born in the Middle East or Pakistan were systematically harassed at airports. And the stigmatization of Muslim Americans and Arab Americans was used as a wedge to attack liberals and leftists, as well, however illogical the juxtaposition may seem.

U.S. law enforcement did ensure that despite some stray initial hate-crimes, Muslim Americans largely remained secure, and India might emulate that commitment.

The silver lining in these dark days in India is that, despite the danger of it, there has been no mob action against Muslims, which would have ineluctably dragged the country into communal violence. 

The terrorists that attacked Mumbai killed and wounded Muslims along with other Indians. So it was not an attack on non-Muslims alone.

There has also been a welcome tendency to view terrorists as terrorists alone, and not as Hindu or Muslim terrorists, particularly since the arrests for the earlier Malegaon blasts

Besides, from all indications, the terrorists were not Muslims in any meaningful sense of the word. They were cultists. Some of them brought stocks of alcohol for the siege they knew they would provoke. Even if they were trained by the LeT, they were clearly not pious Muslims. 

Address Security Flaws, but Keep Civil Liberties Strong

The 9/11 hijackings exploited three simple flaws in airline security of a procedural sort. Cockpit doors were not thought to need strengthening. It was assumed that hijackers could not fly planes. And no one expected hijackers to kill themselves. Once those assumptions are no longer made, security is already much better. Likewise, the Mumbai terrorists exploited flaws in coastal, urban and hotel security, which need to be addressed.


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The US and Europe should butt out and let India and Pak decide.
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 2, 2008 1:04 AM   
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If they want to knock each other out, so be it. The west has got major problems of its own and is sinking in everything these days. Besides, the only reason this event got attention was there happened to be Americans and Jews who were also the victims. Note how the MSM focused only on the Western victims but conveniently ignored the civilians for the most part. Racism in the media at large !

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» Denial? Posted by: bingahaba
» Word Games? Posted by: yellow
» Let me spell it out Posted by: bingahaba
syed salamah ali mahdi
Posted by: salamah on Dec 2, 2008 1:25 AM   
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Juan Cole at his (un)usual best! If an Indian Hindu like Gandhi can agree to the 'partition' of British India, stop the the infamous Bihar Riots (genocide against Muslims), during 1946-1947 AND pay for both these acts of tolerance and sanity, with his life in 1948, then India is a Great Nation. India will not react as the US did post 9/11.

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Quit calling them terrorists!
Posted by: Beepath on Dec 2, 2008 1:52 AM   
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Calling them terrorists just makes them feel more macho, so manly, so powerful. They're just a bunch of crazed dudes running around in the streets. No different than Timothy McVeigh times ten. Or the 9/11 jagoffs times 19. Or the G. Bushes times 150,000. Anyone see that great old movie, "Brainstorm?" It's where you can get under a virtual reality helmet and have any experience you want. So, let's put these orgasm-deprived scum under a XXX porno virtual reality CD. Run it for 72 hours and let it "jam" at the point of orgasm...yeah, give it to all of these violent, misogynist men. Oh, I'm sure they'll have a complete change in their values. Might have a touch of PTSD and need to spend the rest of their lives under Boise headphones. Wouldn't that be great? Talk about a Brave New World. No blasting Harley's, no NASCAR, no soccer games with fights in the bleachers. In fact no more "sports" with fat guys covered in paint. Imagine what an easy job running a prison would be. C'mon Big Brother, you know you have the technology. Talk about a new day....

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» RE: Quit calling them terrorists! Posted by: kahuna_2bears
India superpower or any power? stop being laughable pimping the western propaganda 2 defraud India.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Dec 2, 2008 2:33 AM   
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ever since the american agent manmohan singh was helicoptrered into the postion of prime minstership of India-he wasalways defeated in popular election-the western media and their stooges inside India has been pushing for this ridiculous idea that with the help of aangloamerican bastrds India will become a super power.this all was desinged to counter china just as chinses falttery during 80s was designed to counter russia.
India had hundereds of cicilains klilled in this year alone-Indiaq was made impotant when american pressed its stooge manmohan singh to allow nuclear deal to thwart indians nuclear capablity both civilains and military-at the welll wishes of your real enemy america and britan.
the same western bastrds maninly anglosaxon pirates are pimpsing about india being a pwoer when it cannot pterotect even its basic trights to defend herself from angloamerican deprecations and from britihs supported sikh and muslim terrorism.
yes India will not react ajsut as it did not react in 2001 because indian leadership is not elected by india but impodsed by britiash and american bastarsds.

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India a superpower ?
Posted by: ShoShenQ on Dec 2, 2008 5:13 AM   
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no joke now ? They better focus on feeding their people first then we will talk about power and nukes..

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» RE: India a superpower ? Posted by: opmoc
Off Topic...Thai election/Angry Merkins
Posted by: Elmowilcox on Dec 2, 2008 5:16 AM   
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So after months of protesting a rigged election, Thai protestors have scored their victory and won a court battle to oust Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat....a victory for the people, and a total inconvenience for honeymooning Americans in Thailand.

(from cnn.com)
Thai perspective:
"My heart is happy. My friends are very happy," Pailin Jampapong, a 41-year-old Bangkok housekeeper, told The Associated Press as she jumped up and down.

Traveling American's perspective:
"We wish we hadn't come here at all," said Keri Gannam, a visitor from the United States, who was honeymooning in Thailand. "It's just stressful. It's taken away everything... I'm supposed to have job interviews. I missed them."
"Money isn't flowing in for us," said her husband, Andy. "And we came here to take a couple of relaxing weeks -- something both of us had earned. And it's turned out being a disaster, basically."

Damn those citizens for standing up against corruption and ruining this couple's honeymoon! Poor travelers, who would have known that our favorite vacation destinations are also active, functional countries with populations that have issues of their own. What's more? The masses actually act out when needed, much to the dismay of people that are just trying to have a good time. Just thought I'd share, thought it was funny.

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India is a brutal nation with a farcical democracy. Don't count on a wise response.
Posted by: Jasonix on Dec 2, 2008 5:38 AM   
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Having spent time in India, I'm frankly alarmed by this nation's rise to global status. We hear that India's a democracy, and that their religion is supposedly tolerant unlike our "awful" Abrahamic religions. They gave us Gandhi, right?

But that's not what India is. Many Indian states do not allow religious freedom and violence against Muslims and Christians is common. Women are routinely beaten and even killed by their husbands. Indian democracy is a farce - if you think Sarah Palin being on the ticket was a travesty that showed too many Americans are dolts, consider that Indian politicians routinely get elected by promising to buy all their voters TVs.

Indians are crushed underneath a complex tangle of religious and cultural expectations as bad as anything in the Middle East - getting divorced will shame your whole family, you're assigned a subordinate place in your family's hierarchy based on birth order, etc. Only one state in India, Kerala, treats women with anything approaching respect - and Indians from other states kidnap Keralan women and whisk them away to brothels in other parts of the country.

The caste system remains alive and well. There are riots all the time in which people are killed with gasoline. While some say that polytheistic religion is supposedly more tolerant than monotheistic religion, what it really means is that polytheists live in fear of evil spirits and curses (since there's no one god running things), and there is no sense of responsibility to one's fellow human being (since we're not all the children of one god). There's a reason why other societies rejected Hindu-like beliefs in favor of Christianity, Buddhism, or Islam.

That's the kind of nation India is. India is not ready to be a world leader. At least two generations of rising prosperity and widespread reform and education are required before India could assume such a role. With peak oil and global collapse bearing down on us, it's unlikely that such will be possible, unfortunately.

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» .... Posted by: Elmowilcox
» He should thank you as well Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Nope. Posted by: Jasonix
I never remember him saying that Iraq was behind 9/11
Posted by: 2thepoint on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 AM   
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""They insisted that Iraq must somehow have been behind it. "".. somehow I didn't remember this being the thought. Bush seemed to try to convience the world that Saddam had WMD and he would be willing to share those with terrorists that wanted to attack America with them.

Somehow that premises doesn't seem too far fetched and is one that could still happen given constant reports about bio attacks.

India's response would depend on who carried the attacks out and who supported them. If it came out that Pakistan supported it, well, all hell would break lose and probably rightly so!

This is onen case they should have listened to American intel who was warning them for months of such an attack!

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» Salman Pak humbug Posted by: brunowe
This Article and Most of the Comments Consist of Nonsense and Anti-India Propaganda
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 2, 2008 7:56 AM   
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You don't resolve any problems with propaganda and lies in response to propaganda and lies.

The entire World is going to hell, because no one in a position of power and influence will tell the truth about anything, if that truth in any way conflicts with the political objectives set by those in control of them.

The cancer of evil is within the powers in control of Governments at the highest level.

That cancer is destroying human civilisation across the World.

You can't save the body by cutting off the foot - if the cancer is within the brain.

There is still time to save human civilisation, by starting at the top - and arresting the obvious War criminals.

Their interrogation will result in the indentities of the source of the cancer - within the highest elites.

Identifying these people and putting them on trial for war crimes against humanity is our only hope of a peaceful and sustainable future.

Continue to ignore them and the cancer will just spread.

There ain't much hope and time is running out.

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Mr. Cole, should we really accept the Bush regime's version of 9/11?
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Dec 2, 2008 8:18 AM   
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I don't accept the Bush/Cheney account of 9/11 as fed to us by the corporate media.

I have no trust in 19 ne'er-do-wells flying airliners all over the eastern U.S. for hours without any meaningful defensive responses from us.

I do believe that all good men & women need to do their own research into these crucial events!

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It is likely that BJP and extremist Hindu groups are behind this attack?
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Dec 2, 2008 10:01 AM   
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Ayesha Ijaz Khan writes (Counterpunch):

"Interestingly, four times previously the Indian government falsely accused Lashkare Taiba directly as the organization sponsoring violent incidents in India, and Pakistan indirectly for harbouring the militant group, although Pakistan officially banned the outfit in 2002.

In each of the incidents, namely, the Chattisinghpura massacre, the attack on the Indian Parliament on 13 December 2001, the Malagaon blasts and the Samjhota Express incident, investigations were either refused or revealed that neither Lashkare Taiba nor Pakistan but groups from within India were responsible. In the Chattisinghpura incident, for example, on 20 March 2000, one day before President Bill Clinton was due to arrive in India, 35 Sikhs were killed in the village of Chattisinghpura. It was said that about 15 uniformed men belonging to Lashkare Taiba and trained in Pakistan were responsible. Five days later, five men were killed by paramilitary forces in a village called Pathribal, claiming that the “foreign militants” responsible for the Sikh massacre had been found and duly eliminated. When local village people protested, investigations began. When the final results of the investigation were made public, it was found that local police was responsible for the massacre of the Sikhs.

The Samjhota Express incident is more disconcerting, and one that Pakistanis remember bitterly. On 18 February 2007, two bombs went off near the Indian city of Panipat on the Samjhota Express twice-weekly train between Lahore and Delhi, initiated as its name suggests (Samjhota means Agreement in both Hindi and Urdu) to enhance cordial relations between the two countries. The terrorist attack, which killed 68 (mostly Pakistanis) and injured many others was blamed once again on Lashkare Taiba. Indian authorities claimed that the alleged perpetrator was named Rana Shaukat Ali and a photograph of the terrorist was provided. Four months later, investigations revealed that neither Rana nor Lashkare Taiba but a serving lieutenant colonel of the Indian army, Lt. Col. Purohit was responsible for the attack. Purohit, it was found, had links with Hindu militant groups and provided training to extremists.

For Pakistan, the most troubling aspect of the 26 November 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai is the fact that the three brave men who had been tasked with finalizing the findings of both the Samjhota Express incident and the Malegaon blasts linking Lt. Col. Purohit conclusively to the terrorist attacks were all killed. Mr. Hemant Karkare, in charge of the investigation, was one of the first people shot by the terrorists, followed by DIG Ashok Kale and encounter specialist Vijay Salazar.

If this is a coincidence, it is definitely a godsend for the extremist Hindu groups and the right-wing BJP, waiting to unseat the Congress government in the upcoming elections. But many in Pakistan suspect something more sinister may be involved.

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» Thank you for the information Posted by: leafsong1
let us take Indian back from western parasites.and invaders.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Dec 2, 2008 10:17 AM   
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7/2/2007 .
Time for Hindutva has come – it is time to take back South Asia from foreign invaders
Preetam Sohani
Feb. 6, 2007

South Asia is today what was known in ancient days as India. First came Alexander the Great, the great Greek King. Hidutva was shining then in ancient India. Alexander won some battles but understood the essence of Hindutva and went back leaving India free. The came the barbaric Persian killers – they called themselves Mughals. The weakening Hindutva could not stop the onslaught. They converted low caste deprived Hindus into Islam by force and lure for money and jobs. The fault lies with Hindutva. It could not thwart back the invaders. The caste system in the social structure was the worst thing possible. The Mughals took advantage of that and converted Hindus into Islam right an left.

Then came the tricky British and other Europeans. They came as traders. They dealt with local kings promising them piece of England. They stole India’ minerals, wealth and dignity. They also took advantage of the caste system, the low tribe population’s economic distress. They converted the Hindus and Buddhists into Christianity by force and with lure of money. Again Hindutva failed to protect its pride and dignity. These invaders treated Indians as slaves in their own country. Mothers and daughters were raped. Men were tortured till they agreed to convert their religion into something they never believed.

Today India is under attack again. They are coming back as traders, manufacturers, and financial institutions from the West. They are dealing with new generation Indian kings – the oligarchs of India. These industrialists and rich classes of India (close to 100 families) who control Indian politicians, economy and even the communists. The new trading invaders from the West call themselves agents of globalization. They want to outsource every piece of junk they do want to perform or manufacture. They pay pennies on the dollar to Indian workers. They have joined hands with the Indian oligarchs like they did two hundred fifty years back with Indian kings. History is repeating in India after two hundred fifty years.

These foreign invaders and the cooperating Indian politicians and rich oligarchs are raping Mother India again.

What BJP did in the name of Hindutva is a shame. Just blasting a few nukes is not what Hindutva stand for. Just demolishing a mosque and making Ram Mandir is not the answer. Going to Pakistan and trying to make a truce on one’s own and make flase some statement is not what Hindutva stands for. Hindutva is the only hope for mother India not to get tortured any further by these ruthless invaders. Whether it is Alexander the Great or the Mughals or the British East India Company or the modern day Western Multinationals – they are all the same – invaders ready to strip India of its dignity and independence.

It is time for Hindutva to rise. It is time to retake the country and the region back from the invaders. It is time for compassion and love to all Hindus and non-Hindus because that is the actual Mantra of Hinduism. You can never win with missiles or suicide bombs. They are equally bad. The only way you can win is through love, compassion and understanding of someone else’s culture and religion. It is time for honesty and treating all human beings equally well.

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» RE: Hindutva killed Gandhi Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
Bush set the world policy of" the right to preemptive strike"
Posted by: common intelligence on Dec 2, 2008 10:53 AM   
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You eveidently accept Bush's set world policy of" the right to preemptive strike".

Too bad folks. You all have a wish or "Hope" that the world doesn't escalate into all out war.
But in turn it is you who do not push for impeachment and reversing the Bush Policies. It is with Obama and the slack jaw politicians in Washington like Diane Feinstein whom believe and support a policy
"that we need to heal and Omama wants to end bipartisan politics so (she) believes impeachment would only serve to divide the nation farther"

Well that's Bush Shit still stewing in the mire of this corrupt government here in the US.

Impeachment is manditory and necessary to start the peace train rolling. As well, When Bush and his cohorts in crime are brought to justic the world will rejoice and it will open the door for true reconcilation and true healing.

To many innocent people have lost lives limbs and whole families because of the Bush Policies and the MIC war mongering regiem.

PUSH for IMPEACHMENT

It's too bad that the Pakistanies that killed so many in Bombay (Mumbai). But because of American policies more people die each year because of Bush policies than died in India. (not to belittle the sad incident). Around the world people are begging for peace over nothing more than food and to have a home to live in, even here. But billions are going to support our corrupt consortium of banksters and mega businesses that are obsolete and poorly run management systems. Mean while billions are spent BILLIONS I say, weekly on the military industrial complex agenda that creates reason enough to generate trickle down economics that trickle only so that an indebted American consummers can pay of debt in over priced homes and mortgages not to speak of trivial pursuits in the cunsumption of the earths resources.

People kill in retailiation to suppression of freedom and equanimity and greed. All of which feel they have nothing to loose.

"There is no enemy that should be feared more than one that has nothing to loose."
The Pirates of Somalia are fightig for the lives of their people, not just for material wealth and life style as Americans do.

So called Islamic extemist are fighting in resistance to the imposing of a one world economic system of corrupt materialism that is being forced on them.

The United States insists their will upon all people of the earth, that it is fo rthe betterment of society. Yet it is because of this insistance and the pushing colonialism as the British failed at and Idia removed from their belly that the world is in turmoil. From the dire straits of the environment to the abuse of people. It has all been escallated by the United States drive for world domination.

(of course in the end As we speak The United States MIC is loosing the game.(If ther even is an Osama Bin LAden factor, He as won. The state of US economy is testiment to that. It can't even be denied anymore than the government has tryed to deny that the nationis in a recession.
(Not only for the definitive reason of "2months" , but over a year of negitive GDP growth. Man, talk about a governemnt propaganda to cover up the truth. It's down right blatant now.)

Want to manifest change for real hopes? You must physically put forth effort in seeing that the Bush Administration is heald Accountable for crimes against humanity.
All the administartive crimes are minor in comparison. But if that's what it takes to get Real Change happning, do it.

Look forward out of this mess the world is plummeting We must deal with the criminals that have unleashed the violence upon humanity from within the belly of the beast. That being the Bush Administration.

PUSH for IMPEACHMENT

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You mean like...
Posted by: EinMD on Dec 2, 2008 11:40 AM   
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Supporting a doctrine of preemptive invasion and war?

How about killing hundreds of thousand innocent civilians and call them 'collateral damage'.

Or how about torturing people on the suspicion that they had something to do with the event in question. Or maybe because their skin was a slightly different shade. Or because some poor person turned them in for the bounty your government placed on the head of suspected terrorists. Or because they're bored.

Or how about claiming the right to arrest without prove or trial any citizen in his own country?

Or even better, the right to go into ANOTHER country ( like for example Britain ) and arrest one of their citizens whether the government of that country likes it or not.

Why shouldn't India do all this? The US did. If the US can claim the right to do all this crap in direct contravention to US and international law, then why the hell shouldn't India? They're a sovereign nation with the right to protect themselves too right?

(for the daft, my point is that the US shouldn't have done it either)

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Is India like the US?
Posted by: willymack on Dec 2, 2008 12:43 PM   
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Hardly. They didn't inflict their 911 on themselves, and they certainly won't try to cover up for those responsible.

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India's politicals should look at how Bush43 reacted to 9-11...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Dec 2, 2008 2:41 PM   
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...then do and plan the exact opposite!

Bush43 has been a disaster to world stability and using his plans and methods as a model to all future like minded disasters would be a rather HUGE mistake!

its policing issue... lets start from there...
Theirs no need for any type of military hype or manipulations at any level... the military is a blunt force to be used as a last resort.

diplomacy will work if the will is there
godspeed India!

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Excellent analysis by Shahzad
Posted by: bingahaba on Dec 3, 2008 5:35 AM   
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At Asia Times, Shahzad gives a rather detailed analysis of how AQ took over parts of the ISI's operation.

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» RE: Excellent fantasy by Shahzad Posted by: Ydotheyhateus
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...
Posted by: yellow on Dec 3, 2008 8:41 AM   
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It must be quite psychologically devasting to be regarded as the world's number 1 terrorists. That kind of dubious distinction wouldn't make me proud!!

The answer, however, as any good psychiatrist will tell you is not denial but rather recognizing the problem first then really wanting to change!! Muslims should try this at long last. It just may work. And hey, who knows!! You just might make some favorable political gains by strengthening your moral position. Next your societies might begin to see social progress and you might begin to crawl out of your centuries long morass. Give it a try.

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» By whom? Posted by: bingahaba
» AQ, Sudan etc Posted by: bingahaba
Clearly understand VIOLENCE can never be condoned.
Posted by: common intelligence on Dec 3, 2008 9:17 AM   
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Maybe I have thrown too much irony into my point.
Understand that those that terrorize anyone are of a mental disaray and must be corraled and corrected.

RE: my haterd of Bush, is direct more at the people that have allowed him to continue to be in power when he and his corhorts have fanned the fires of war around the world . It is his ( the Decider's) policies that have paved an attitude in the enemies of peace and equinimity to feel empowered in their corrupt minds.
So now, we have a world that is spinning out of control with people holding on to continues negitive and violent streams of thinking.

As long as people find no hope for resolution to violence violence will continue.
As long as violence is in the forfront of peoples minds as a way to "get what they want" Violence will continue.

As long as those that ignited that fire of violence are allowed to go unpunished for crimes againt humanity, the terrorists will be empowered.

But when they see even Leaders must pay for their crimes, then they will embrace a sense of moral rectitude.

Bless all those in India that have and continue to sufferb because of Crazy Nuts.

(Stop labling "them" Terrorist. It empowers their mind stream of violence. Call them what they are Idiots, nuts, fruit cakes, They are insane mentally. Mentally damaged.)

The Pirating of ships is a symbol of the pirating of our own country by the very leaders of this country. It doesn't matter if the pirates are on land or sea. So don't let yourselves be distracted from the pirating going on right here in the United States.

Afterall, The US gov is pirating the wealth of future generation as we speak in order to feed the 1% at the top. In the trillions my friend. That too is piracy of a magnitude you can't deny.

It is the people of the United States that must enforce the color of law, that no one is above the law. NOT EVEN THE PRESiDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

PUSH FOR IMPEACHMENT

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NYT reports Pakistan is behind the attacks
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Dec 3, 2008 9:30 PM   
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so it must be true. And NYT offers the following "accumulating evidence from around the globe":

1. A former Defense Department official in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that American intelligence analysts suspect that former officers of Pakistan’s powerful spy agency and its army helped train the Mumbai attackers.

2. According to the Indian police, the one gunman who survived the terrorist attacks[so was the gunman target of the terrorists attack? or was he the terrorist?], Mohammad Ajmal Kasab, 21, told interrogators that he trained during a year and half in at least four camps in Pakistan and at one met with Mohammad Hafeez Saeed, the Lashkar-e-Taiba leader.

3. And according to a Western official familiar with the investigation in Mumbai, another Lashkar leader, Yusuf Muzammil, whom the surviving gunman named as the plot’s organizer, fielded phone calls in Lahore from the attackers.

This is a fine piece of investigative journalism. I mean, this kind of reporting is what they must be teaching at Columbia School of Journalism.

I'm glad that NYT has finally redeemed itself after the Judy Miller fiasco.

And very recently, NYT also revised its coverage of the Russia-Georgia coverage. If you remember, US media uncritically repeated that Russia fired the first shots and was responsible for the conflict. However, just recently NYT had to revise its coverage.

Oh well, what can we expect from the corporate whores mascarading around as journalists.

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"I Still Cry For Hours For The Death Of Humanity"
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Dec 8, 2008 5:53 PM   
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'I Still Cry For Hours For The Death Of Humanity'.
Rana Jawad, Agence France-Presse Published: Tuesday, August 14, 2007
LAHORE, Pakistan - Iqbal Farooqi was only 15 years old when Pakistan came into being, but the bloodshed that accompanied one of the largest migrations in history still haunts him.
An estimated 10 million people crossed the border upon the partition of the Indian subcontinent in August 1947, and historians say anywhere between 500,000 and one million people were killed by mobs on both sides.
Mr. Farooqi worked as a young volunteer in Lahore's railway station, tending to the needs of Muslim refugees arriving in the eastern city aboard crammed trains from India.

"But for days, trains would arrive carrying only butchered and maimed bodies of men, women and children," recalls Mr. Farooqi, 75.

"I saw trains approaching and blood splashing from the wheels. I would go inside hoping we could find someone alive, but there would be none in the 10 train compartments and my shoes and hands would be covered with blood.

"Only the drivers were spared on purpose so that they could drive the trains into Pakistan."

"I still cry for hours for the bloodshed, sheer brutality and the death of humanity I saw in the violence," the retired government official says.

A raging sense of revenge among Muslims for the mass slaughter soon sparked reprisal killings of their Hindu and Sikh rivals in Lahore and other cities across Pakistani Punjab.

"I saw dead bodies of Hindus and Sikhs lying in the streets of Lahore killed by Muslims. At one stage, half of Lahore was burning," Mr. Farooqi remembers.

He says the communities had lived together for centuries, but blind rage suddenly overwhelmed their shared history.

"People in Lahore were talking about Muslims being killed in east Punjab and the arrival of trains carrying dead bodies set the stage for the bloodshed. There was a complete collapse of the administration and people were left at the mercy of armed men," he says.

The independence movement in what is now Pakistan surfaced with a vengeance before the Second World War, when Britain's cash-strapped Labour government promised to leave India, allowing Muslim and Hindu rivalry to run its bloody course.

British-educated lawyer Muhammad Ali Jinnah galvanized Muslims and launched a movement for a separate homeland after the breakdown of compromise talks between the two countries to avert the division of India.

For centuries, Punjab had existed as a single unit with its own distinct language. But the British split the region, giving the eastern part to India and the west to Pakistan.
Many historians argue the partition of Punjab was a recipe for disaster, which no one--British, Hindu or Muslim -- understood.

Chaudhry Munir -- now 90 -- was a sepoy, or foot soldier, in the British Army before leaving in 1946 for a job as a security guard in a factory in the west Punjab town of Khewra.

Mr. Munir was treated in a mental institution after witnessing a massacre on a train carrying Hindus on Sept. 24 that year, and remained under treatment at home for many months.

"I was asked by the British in Khewra to guard a train carrying hundreds of Hindus to East Punjab. We were four guards and each one of us was given a pistol to guard the train from any attack," he recalls.

"No sooner had they left than I saw men armed with daggers, swords and pistols storming the train. They killed Hindus indiscriminately ? my ears were deaf with the cries of helpless men, women and children," he says.

"The killing continued for one hour, ... "© National Post 2007

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