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Treated Like a Terrorist by the DMV
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Of course, I'd long since sold that car for junk and didn't have the plates. I didn't even remember what the license number was.
The DMV woman in New York told me I could clear the whole thing up for a $30 charge, which she could take care of with a credit card over the phone.
Note that she had absolutely no way of identifying me, to know that I wasn't a terrorist just paying her $30 so I could get a dreaded Pennsylvania drivers license to use as an ID for whatever nefarious purposes I might have in mind. She just took down the credit card number and bingo, I'm cleared to go. The New York DMV, happy with its little act of extortion, is now notifying the National Driver Register computer that I'm clear, and next week, Pennsylvania's DMV will find my record on the National Driver Register clean and will be ready to renew my license.
This is the DMV and Homeland Security automotive equivalent of the TSA rules that have now every flier taking off her or his shoes (even baby's' booties!), and surrendering tubes of toothpaste and mouthwash at airport security checkpoints.
A fundamental rule about rules should be that if there are records being kept, and if actions are being taken on the basis of those records, then there has to be a way for errors to be corrected by the agency that is maintaining and disseminating those records and by any agency that is acting on the basis of those records. But in the case of America's terrorism fetish, this rule is being violated routinely.
The "no-fly" and the "let-fly-but-first-harass" lists maintained by the TSA, which both reportedly now contain tens of thousands of names, are used by the TSA at airport checkpoints, but developed not by the TSA, but by the dozens of police and intelligence agencies of the federal government -- the CIA, the NSA, the DIA, the ATF, the State Department, the FBI, etc., etc. If your name turns up on the TSA list, and you end up getting strip searched every time you try to fly, the TSA will tell you you're on the list, but they won't tell you who put you there, and they won't take you off either. That has to be done by the agency that reported your name -- the one they won't identify to you. It's straight out of Kafka.
The National Driver Register is the same kind of thing. It collects information about license "problems" from all of the state DMVs, and disseminates that information widely to all the other states, but it doesn't provide any details about what your "problem" might be. It could be anything from conviction of vehicular homicide or DWI to a 15-year old case of being late with a car insurance payment. In fact, DMV officials in both PA and NY, before they had the details, repeatedly referred to my case as a "crime" when no crime had ever been committed. And although, once I had discovered the nature of my particular "transgression," even though the Pennsylvania DMV people agreed that it was a silly reason to withhold my licence renewal, and that in fact I had done nothing wrong and was already fully switched over to a Pennsylvania licence and car registration by the time the New York license was "withheld," they said they were "powerless" to renew my license because of the federal law.
Kafka again.
We are at the mercy of lunatics.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 29, 2008 1:19 AM
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Of course, that's the whole story of the anti-terrorism business. If they devoted a tiny fraction of those resources toward protecting us from ordinary, unglamorous, but statistically significant threats to our life and limb like auto accidents and air pollution, then they would probably miss some of the satisfaction that comes from pissing us off and wasting our time.
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Posted by: jackiebass63 on Nov 29, 2008 2:12 AM
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Posted by: folkie on Nov 29, 2008 2:30 AM
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Only lunatics would rely on the people whose policies brought about a global financial crisis, to solve that crisis.
Only lunatics would blame immigrants when corporate CEOs outsource their jobs.
Only lunatics would think that by terrorizing the world, we can end terror.
Are you aware there are major "alternative" and "progressive" websites (present company excepted, of course) where if Obama appointed Bush and Cheney to his Cabinet, anyone who dared to say that they didn't think it was a good idea would be attacked as a "doomster" and probably banned for negativity?
If you want a sane law, how about one that requires posting warnings everywhere in the U.S.A. that say, "You don't have to be crazy to live or work here, but if you do, you will be soon enough."
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Posted by: chuckjs on Nov 29, 2008 2:32 AM
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Yeah right!
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Posted by: Davidco on Nov 29, 2008 4:06 AM
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You have been messed with and it will probably happen again until somebody starts rolling back these insanely totalitarian 'security' measures - which, like airport checkpoints, do nothing to advance national security but plenty to harass and discomfort political opponents.
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» Indeed - I get harassed at the border
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» 'land of the free.'
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Posted by: thornwolf on Nov 29, 2008 5:01 AM
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His comment about NY's DMV being a "black hole" is simply not true. New York has the most efficient DMV I've ever had to deal with (though it was not so good in the old old days). Whether you visit the DMV in a busy city or a small town, you can be in and out with your transaction completed in under an hour. On the street, cops can just scan the bar codes on your stickers to know if you have insurance or not and know if your car is inspected or not. They don't even have to look at your registration. That's pretty efficient.
Too bad for our hapless writer that he is not as well organized as NY's DMV.
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» Hmmm, sounds like another anal retentive control freak to me.
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» Just for the Record - it is not that easy...
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» Identity theft
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Posted by: Prophit on Nov 29, 2008 8:18 AM
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NO MORE 5 YEARS OLD KIDS BEING PUT IN POLICE CARS HANDCUFFED AND HAULED OFF TO JAIL FOR HAVING A SCHOOL YARD BRAWL,,,, talk about training future generations into hte sense of helplessness... THIS IS SOCIAL ENGINEERING PLAIN AND SIMPLE... Add that to the drugging of our children and you have a whole nation of sheep numbly slaving in camps for the elite.
That alone should make you so damn pis*ed off that you want to actually do something about it. 40% of our population right now is on some form of systemic drug program that is legal. That is a crime and affects the brain chemistry in your body not including what its doing to your organs.
Its all intentional and evil...
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Posted by: common intelligence on Nov 29, 2008 7:29 PM
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I think most people are laying to many bets on a horse that hasn't even go tto the starting gate yet.
This nation is still rolling around in a mire of blind faith, betting on a change they have no idea what it is going to be or when it's going to play out.
Just watch as Health care plans goes into limbo because insurance companies and those that have paid into it for years feel they are getting double crossed and going to loose their premiumly paid policies and be taxed to buy my health insurance. It's going to be a "cluster fuck" jack. We're all going to get screwed, again!
The newly escalating war in India is going to justify , in the bellies of the pentagon, to continue the endless war. The Military Industrial Complex will lather in the continues contracts. Presidents and politicians come and go but this scurge lives on relentlessly.
Mean while Americans are going to allow Bush Co. off the perverbial hook. When he should be behind bars for therest of his life (without HDTV!)
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Posted by: susanhathaway on Nov 29, 2008 7:58 AM
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Nov 29, 2008 9:15 AM
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written a letter to your congress critter demanding that the above system have any appeals process?
started a petition to change the misapplication of laws?
told your local newspaper that your congress critter has done nothing to correct these harrasments. If in fact the congress critten has done nothing?
voted for the other guy to replace the congress critter?
filed a law suit against the agency misapplying the laws or regulation? Don't even get a lawyer, do it your self. There are numerous web sites which can provide information on filing and arguing claims.
If you have not done all of the above:
Shut the F..K up. You are part of the problem.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 29, 2008 9:15 AM
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The author deserves a refund of his income tax for services not rendered. We all do.
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» Uh no.
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Posted by: willymack on Nov 29, 2008 9:37 AM
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Posted by: GUY FOX on Nov 29, 2008 10:53 AM
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Now that you have gotten your insurance card validated by the corp-rat controlled bureaucrazy to get your travel papers... we need to also ask: Have you had all you mandatory vaccinations? Eh Comrade?
Amerikan $ociety has become insane. Indeed! Any $ociety that passes laws saying car insurance is more important than food and shelter, the basics of civility and life, is insane. Give it some thought.
When civil society finally breaks down, we should think about shooting all the lawyers... after we've killed all the $tock brokers.
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» It's not the vaccines! That was soooo last season!
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Posted by: east bay on Nov 29, 2008 12:50 PM
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» I live in the south bay area and I can relate to your experience
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Posted by: Anthhh on Nov 29, 2008 1:30 PM
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Our airports are not yet being situated in deserted remote sectors... which are full of checkpoints, armed guards and radar systems.
Like the airports that they have in ACTUAL unstable nations.
The US airports are smack dab in the middle of cities.
Where any sick human being with a homemade rocket launcher can zap a nice hole into any arriving or "departing" passenger jet of his choice.
All he'd need to do is find the place to stand, wait, aim, fire, and walk away..
Why do they search baby booties do you ask?
They want to make sure thay have all bases covered. THose which they can afford to cover, and that have something in it for themm,..namely abuse of power and the taking of opportunitistc advantage of the heineous crimes they have already committed and denied blaming others.
And all this Proves that 9-11 WAS and inside job. And that any sicko can kill any people for whatever reason they might have. If they were desparate enough
That desparation weighed against the the amount of benefit points the finger straight towards the true guilty parties..
And thank GOD they will STILL FALL..EVER HARDER NOW THAT THEY HAVE BOMBED THEIR OWN NATION AS WELL AS INNOCENT OTHER NATIONS.
FUCKING SICKOS.
Dave,
I have always known that you are supposed to return your plates to the registry after you are done. After all these years, I can't beleive that it's still around the same penalty price for losing them. I guess inflation didnt hit the registry yet...
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 29, 2008 1:31 PM
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The hot house for this is in Iraq. These guys are not going to quit. We must force them back into their cages. Whips and chairs anyone?
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Posted by: lexicon on Nov 29, 2008 4:55 PM
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In the future, look for lots more of these kinds of "co-implication" laws to sneak onto the books...such that there becomes a long list of things like car insurance, house insurance, credit card balances, court records, driving records, employment records, health records, etc., that must stay CLEAN in order for you to do something fundamental, like get a drivers license. And each of these "blockers" for the drivers license will also in turn require a list of "clean" records, such that you can't even have an outstanding delinquent library book, without losing your fundamental right to function in our society.
It's the rise of a new industry..."administrative crime", that will slowly and inexorably choke us to death as a society, as all the databases eventually grow together.
This is one of the reasons to be against a national ID card. Having a unique national id number, allows all these governmental and civil/commercial databases to join.
The result is more about economic freedom from the credit/insurance masters, than anything else.
Anecdotally, I was rather rudely refused by a bank, to open an account, because an old abandoned account at a different bank, which had been fallow for YEARS, had at some point along the line grown a new "fallow account fee" which had accumulated about a dozen dollars negative balance over a few years.
Therefore, I was not able to get a new bank account at a national bank!
This is an example of what I'm referring to. Let's say that it's 5 years in the future, and now I cannot renew my drivers license because I cannot renew my insurance. I cannot renew my insurance because I have a "delinquent account" at some bank. I cannot clear the delinquent account at the bank, because they cannot process transactions without a valid current drivers license. Alternatively, I can obtain a non-drivers national ID card, which I can do if all my bank and insurance accounts are in good standing.
It's called administrative crime.
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Posted by: CJC on Nov 29, 2008 10:04 PM
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So he called a friend in NY who has been involved in local politics and also ran an auto repair business for many years. He put him in touch with a local judge. The judge made some inquiries and said it had to do with lapsed insurance. Fortunately my ex was able to clear it up in person at a NY DMV location in Queens where he was visiting and paid a $25 "fine" or something. The judge said that what is happening is that NY is cleaning up its files and turning up lots of these problems. Really, who moves to another state and has to send their old license plates back? We moved many times - Michigan, Kansas, NH, CA, MA, NY, MA - never had a problem before.
I don't think this has anything to do with post 9/11 security paranoia. It's just a NY state problem and maybe it will eventually play itself out as they clean up their records.
I've never had any problem in MA. The car must have been in my ex's name. Or maybe the big NY clean-up started this year; I renewed my license last year.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 29, 2008 1:19 AM
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Of course, that's the whole story of the anti-terrorism business. If they devoted a tiny fraction of those resources toward protecting us from ordinary, unglamorous, but statistically significant threats to our life and limb like auto accidents and air pollution, then they would probably miss some of the satisfaction that comes from pissing us off and wasting our time.
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» Inhumane bureaucracy sucks across-the-board; not just at DMV
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» The DMV is a Kafkian Nightmare come to life...!
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Posted by: jackiebass63 on Nov 29, 2008 2:12 AM
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Posted by: folkie on Nov 29, 2008 2:30 AM
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Only lunatics would rely on the people whose policies brought about a global financial crisis, to solve that crisis.
Only lunatics would blame immigrants when corporate CEOs outsource their jobs.
Only lunatics would think that by terrorizing the world, we can end terror.
Are you aware there are major "alternative" and "progressive" websites (present company excepted, of course) where if Obama appointed Bush and Cheney to his Cabinet, anyone who dared to say that they didn't think it was a good idea would be attacked as a "doomster" and probably banned for negativity?
If you want a sane law, how about one that requires posting warnings everywhere in the U.S.A. that say, "You don't have to be crazy to live or work here, but if you do, you will be soon enough."
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Posted by: chuckjs on Nov 29, 2008 2:32 AM
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Yeah right!
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Posted by: Davidco on Nov 29, 2008 4:06 AM
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You have been messed with and it will probably happen again until somebody starts rolling back these insanely totalitarian 'security' measures - which, like airport checkpoints, do nothing to advance national security but plenty to harass and discomfort political opponents.
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» Indeed - I get harassed at the border
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» 'land of the free.'
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» Indeed - I get harassed at the border
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Posted by: thornwolf on Nov 29, 2008 5:01 AM
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His comment about NY's DMV being a "black hole" is simply not true. New York has the most efficient DMV I've ever had to deal with (though it was not so good in the old old days). Whether you visit the DMV in a busy city or a small town, you can be in and out with your transaction completed in under an hour. On the street, cops can just scan the bar codes on your stickers to know if you have insurance or not and know if your car is inspected or not. They don't even have to look at your registration. That's pretty efficient.
Too bad for our hapless writer that he is not as well organized as NY's DMV.
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» Hmmm, sounds like another anal retentive control freak to me.
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» Just for the Record - it is not that easy...
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» Identity theft
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» oh brother.
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Posted by: Prophit on Nov 29, 2008 8:18 AM
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NO MORE 5 YEARS OLD KIDS BEING PUT IN POLICE CARS HANDCUFFED AND HAULED OFF TO JAIL FOR HAVING A SCHOOL YARD BRAWL,,,, talk about training future generations into hte sense of helplessness... THIS IS SOCIAL ENGINEERING PLAIN AND SIMPLE... Add that to the drugging of our children and you have a whole nation of sheep numbly slaving in camps for the elite.
That alone should make you so damn pis*ed off that you want to actually do something about it. 40% of our population right now is on some form of systemic drug program that is legal. That is a crime and affects the brain chemistry in your body not including what its doing to your organs.
Its all intentional and evil...
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Posted by: common intelligence on Nov 29, 2008 7:29 PM
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I think most people are laying to many bets on a horse that hasn't even go tto the starting gate yet.
This nation is still rolling around in a mire of blind faith, betting on a change they have no idea what it is going to be or when it's going to play out.
Just watch as Health care plans goes into limbo because insurance companies and those that have paid into it for years feel they are getting double crossed and going to loose their premiumly paid policies and be taxed to buy my health insurance. It's going to be a "cluster fuck" jack. We're all going to get screwed, again!
The newly escalating war in India is going to justify , in the bellies of the pentagon, to continue the endless war. The Military Industrial Complex will lather in the continues contracts. Presidents and politicians come and go but this scurge lives on relentlessly.
Mean while Americans are going to allow Bush Co. off the perverbial hook. When he should be behind bars for therest of his life (without HDTV!)
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Posted by: susanhathaway on Nov 29, 2008 7:58 AM
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 29, 2008 8:11 AM
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Nov 29, 2008 9:15 AM
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written a letter to your congress critter demanding that the above system have any appeals process?
started a petition to change the misapplication of laws?
told your local newspaper that your congress critter has done nothing to correct these harrasments. If in fact the congress critten has done nothing?
voted for the other guy to replace the congress critter?
filed a law suit against the agency misapplying the laws or regulation? Don't even get a lawyer, do it your self. There are numerous web sites which can provide information on filing and arguing claims.
If you have not done all of the above:
Shut the F..K up. You are part of the problem.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Nov 29, 2008 9:15 AM
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The author deserves a refund of his income tax for services not rendered. We all do.
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Posted by: GUY FOX on Nov 29, 2008 10:53 AM
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Now that you have gotten your insurance card validated by the corp-rat controlled bureaucrazy to get your travel papers... we need to also ask: Have you had all you mandatory vaccinations? Eh Comrade?
Amerikan $ociety has become insane. Indeed! Any $ociety that passes laws saying car insurance is more important than food and shelter, the basics of civility and life, is insane. Give it some thought.
When civil society finally breaks down, we should think about shooting all the lawyers... after we've killed all the $tock brokers.
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» It's not the vaccines! That was soooo last season!
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Posted by: Anthhh on Nov 29, 2008 1:30 PM
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Our airports are not yet being situated in deserted remote sectors... which are full of checkpoints, armed guards and radar systems.
Like the airports that they have in ACTUAL unstable nations.
The US airports are smack dab in the middle of cities.
Where any sick human being with a homemade rocket launcher can zap a nice hole into any arriving or "departing" passenger jet of his choice.
All he'd need to do is find the place to stand, wait, aim, fire, and walk away..
Why do they search baby booties do you ask?
They want to make sure thay have all bases covered. THose which they can afford to cover, and that have something in it for themm,..namely abuse of power and the taking of opportunitistc advantage of the heineous crimes they have already committed and denied blaming others.
And all this Proves that 9-11 WAS and inside job. And that any sicko can kill any people for whatever reason they might have. If they were desparate enough
That desparation weighed against the the amount of benefit points the finger straight towards the true guilty parties..
And thank GOD they will STILL FALL..EVER HARDER NOW THAT THEY HAVE BOMBED THEIR OWN NATION AS WELL AS INNOCENT OTHER NATIONS.
FUCKING SICKOS.
Dave,
I have always known that you are supposed to return your plates to the registry after you are done. After all these years, I can't beleive that it's still around the same penalty price for losing them. I guess inflation didnt hit the registry yet...
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 29, 2008 1:31 PM
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The hot house for this is in Iraq. These guys are not going to quit. We must force them back into their cages. Whips and chairs anyone?
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Posted by: lexicon on Nov 29, 2008 4:55 PM
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In the future, look for lots more of these kinds of "co-implication" laws to sneak onto the books...such that there becomes a long list of things like car insurance, house insurance, credit card balances, court records, driving records, employment records, health records, etc., that must stay CLEAN in order for you to do something fundamental, like get a drivers license. And each of these "blockers" for the drivers license will also in turn require a list of "clean" records, such that you can't even have an outstanding delinquent library book, without losing your fundamental right to function in our society.
It's the rise of a new industry..."administrative crime", that will slowly and inexorably choke us to death as a society, as all the databases eventually grow together.
This is one of the reasons to be against a national ID card. Having a unique national id number, allows all these governmental and civil/commercial databases to join.
The result is more about economic freedom from the credit/insurance masters, than anything else.
Anecdotally, I was rather rudely refused by a bank, to open an account, because an old abandoned account at a different bank, which had been fallow for YEARS, had at some point along the line grown a new "fallow account fee" which had accumulated about a dozen dollars negative balance over a few years.
Therefore, I was not able to get a new bank account at a national bank!
This is an example of what I'm referring to. Let's say that it's 5 years in the future, and now I cannot renew my drivers license because I cannot renew my insurance. I cannot renew my insurance because I have a "delinquent account" at some bank. I cannot clear the delinquent account at the bank, because they cannot process transactions without a valid current drivers license. Alternatively, I can obtain a non-drivers national ID card, which I can do if all my bank and insurance accounts are in good standing.
It's called administrative crime.
lexicon
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Posted by: CJC on Nov 29, 2008 10:04 PM
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So he called a friend in NY who has been involved in local politics and also ran an auto repair business for many years. He put him in touch with a local judge. The judge made some inquiries and said it had to do with lapsed insurance. Fortunately my ex was able to clear it up in person at a NY DMV location in Queens where he was visiting and paid a $25 "fine" or something. The judge said that what is happening is that NY is cleaning up its files and turning up lots of these problems. Really, who moves to another state and has to send their old license plates back? We moved many times - Michigan, Kansas, NH, CA, MA, NY, MA - never had a problem before.
I don't think this has anything to do with post 9/11 security paranoia. It's just a NY state problem and maybe it will eventually play itself out as they clean up their records.
I've never had any problem in MA. The car must have been in my ex's name. Or maybe the big NY clean-up started this year; I renewed my license last year.
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