Home
Archive
Newsletters
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise

Obama’s Budget Head Would Cut Social Security

By Matthew Rothschild, The Progressive. Posted November 28, 2008.


Peter Orszag, Barack Obama’s choice to head the budget office, is on record favoring a reduction in Social Security benefits.

Share and save this post:

      

      

Share on Facebook       

AlterNet Social Networks:
follow us on twitter
find us on Facebook

In Special Coverage

Belief:
Nobel Laureate Slams the Bible, Calls It "A Catalogue of Cruelties"
Mario de Queiroz

Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace:
As Foreclosure Nightmares Increase, Will More Homeowners Pay Off Their Bankers in Violence?
Scott Thill

DrugReporter:
Lies About Marijuana Drive People to a Much More Harmful Drug -- Booze
Steve Fox

Environment:
Why Max Baucus' 'No' Vote on the Climate Bill May Really Help Its Passage
Jeff Mcmahon

Food:
Despite Censorship By Beef Magnate, Michael Pollan Spreads Message About the Real Price of Cheap Food

Health and Wellness:
Do We Really Want to Enshrine Insurance Monopoly into Law? This and 5 Other Complaints About the Health Bill
John Nichols

Immigration:
NYC Marathon Raises Question of Who Is American Enough?
James E. Johnson, Jr.

Media and Technology:
How Biased Media Can Brainwash You
Melinda Burns

Movie Mix:
The Yes Men: Pranksters Out to Fix the World
Mark Engler

Politics:
4 Ways the Stupak Amendment Deprives Women of Access to Abortion
Jessica Arons

Reproductive Justice and Gender:
Fetus-Shaped Potatoes? Going Undercover Inside the Weird World of Right-Wing Abortion Foes
Ann Neumann

Rights and Liberties:
"My Kids Want to Hide Their Identity; They're Scared Someone Will Attack Us": U.S. Muslims Being Targeted
Jaisal Noor

Sex and Relationships:
Instant Sex: Has the Digital Age Destroyed Relationships or Made Them Better?
Vanessa Richmond

Take Action:
G-20 Meetings: Nothing Much Happened in the Suites, and There Was Too Much Punch in the Streets
Laura Flanders

Water:
Why Natural Gas Is Not a Clean Energy Panacea
Stan Cox

World:
With Unemployment at 40 Percent, Afghan Teens Enlist in Army, Police
Lal Aqa Sherin

More stories by Matthew Rothschild

Advertisement
Upcoming AlterNet stories on Digg

Barack Obama’s choice to head the budget office is on record favoring a reduction in Social Security benefits.

On Tuesday, Obama picked Peter Orszag to direct the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). Orszag believes that Social Security benefits should be cut back to help balance the Social Security Trust Fund over the next 75 years.

He spells out his views in a paper he wrote with Peter A. Diamond for the Brookings Institute back in 2005, called “Saving Social Security: The Diamond-Orszag Plan.”

In it, they call for “a reduction in benefits, which would apply to all workers age 59 and younger.”

The younger you are, the more you’ll get hurt.

“The reduction in benefits for a 45-year-old average earner is less than 1 percent,” the plan says. “For a 35-year-old, less than 5 percent; and for a 25-year-old, less than 9 percent. Reductions are smaller for lower earners, and larger for higher ones.”

In the paper, Orszag and Diamond come out strongly against replacing part of Social Security with individual accounts, which Republicans have proposed. The authors call this “a grave mistake.”

But Orszag and Diamond say that there is no free lunch in making sure Social Security remains solvent. So they propose cutting benefits and raising Social Security taxes.

The Social Security Trust Fund’s reserves are projected to run out in 2041. At that point, the system will be bringing in less than it is committed to paying out.

But the consequence of that may be exaggerated.

“It’s not exactly the end of the world,” write Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot in Social Security: The Phony Crisis.

“For one thing, the Social Security system would be far from ‘broke.' While it would indeed be short of revenue to maintain promised benefits, it would still be able to pay retirees higher real benefits than they are receiving today. And the nation has managed obligations of this size in the past: the financing gap would be roughly equal to the amount by which we increased military spending between 1976 and 1986 (a period in which we were not, incidentally, at war).”

When Barack Obama announced his OMB choice, he said we “have to be willing to shed the spending we don’t need.”

Some of that spending may be on Social Security, if Peter Orszag has any say over the matter. And he’s in a position to have a big say.


Digg!    Share on facebook   submit to reddit    Bookmark on Delicious   Stumble This  

See more stories tagged with: barack obama, omb, social security, peter orszag

Matthew Rothschild is the editor of The Progressive.

Liked this story? Get top stories in your inbox each week from AlterNet! Sign up now »


Advertisement
Advertisement

 

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
Attack on Social Security redux
Posted by: raine1 on Nov 28, 2008 5:31 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If the government leaders would stop spending the money we send in for OUR Social Security "trust fund" on wars, we would have ample plenty for all retirees and benefit increases, which, incidentally, are quite small since they are based on very conscripted formulas for cost of living adjustments. If we want to start shaving people's pensions, why not start with the Congress?? Or how about those rather expotentially large COLA raises they give themselves automatically each year?

Good grief, people, quit robbing the old, poor and infirm to fund wars and bridges to nowhere.
Let us change the priorities of our national debate and do something positive for a change, rather than continue to fund so extravagantly the merchants of DEATH.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Raise the ceiling on SS payments to $10M of total compensation to individuals. Hell make it $100M.
Posted by: thekidde on Nov 28, 2008 5:41 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That should take care of it (and I mean TOTAL compensation!).

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» What does that mean? Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: What does that mean? Posted by: Cybershaman
Orszag, to His Credit, Also Recognizes Medicare $ Tsunami
Posted by: drricklippin on Nov 28, 2008 5:56 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Of course defense spending need to be cut but there is little doubt the Social Security and especially Medicare in their present form are not economically sustainable.

Politicians-progressive or otherwise- must have the courage tell US citizens the truth about entitlements that were designed in different era and need to be modified. That is their resonsibility.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

A Cap On Monthly Payments
Posted by: Last Chance on Nov 28, 2008 6:49 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
A man who was paid a huge corporate salary should NOT receive a huge monthly Soc.Sec. check to support his upper class lifestyle, while others who were paid low wages have to scrape by on a thousand or less per month, barely keeping up with the cost of living. I am such a retiree and I live very frugally as I pledged to do throughout my life. Thus, I don't ask for more, but ask the wealthy payees to do with less. Soc.Sec. should calculate an average monthly figure for everyone based on its total intake of taxes.

The fact of life in big business America is that millions are paid low wages so a few thousand can be paid huge salaries. Soc. Sec should NOT reflect that percentage, but pay everyone a decent monthly amount with standard cost of living adjustments. That way, the Soc. Sec. Trust Fund would be solvent forever.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

From someone who is 59
Posted by: bdunn1@tds.net on Nov 28, 2008 7:08 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In the past year I've lost my job in journalism, and it's unlikely I'll find one that pays anything near what I was making. I've also seen my 401(k) melt. I'm paying all my health insurance premium myself. The two Peters, Diamond and Orszag, better update their plan for the times.
It also has conflicting statements. On page 3 it says:

To offset the cost from further increases in life expectancy, we propose a
balanced combination of benefit reductions and tax increases. Specifically, in
each year the Office of the Chief Actuary would calculate the net cost to Social
Security from the improvement in life expectancy. Half of this cost would be
offset by a reduction in benefits, which would apply to all workers age 59 and
younger
.


On page 5 it says:

Workers who are 55 or older will experience no change in their benefits from those scheduled under current law.

Maybe someone can explain the discrepancy.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: From someone who is 59 Posted by: Last Chance
Social Security would be solvent if...
Posted by: yarddawg on Nov 28, 2008 7:16 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Social Security would be solvent into the next century IF the president would take SS back OUT of the GENERAL FUND and back into its own trust again. When it was put into the general fund the Congress and Senate could finally get their sticky fingers all over it and consequently, that is exactly what happened. SS is in 'bad shape' not because of so many boomers coming to retirement age, it is because the fat cats in DC have plundered the trust fund for their pet projects and 'rob Peter to pay Paul' redistribution to other budgeted departments such as DEFENSE.

SS needs to be taken out of the General Fund and placed back into its own Trust as it was. Then it should be mandated that NO ONE can touch it for any reason other than disbursement to retirees/disabled persons. It should also be mandated that Congress/Senate PAY BACK the BILLIONS that have been plundered from the trust by them and/or the departments that were given the booty in the first place...starting with the DOD (cut out their Black Ops/Psy Ops/microwave cannons/'research', you get the picture).

SS would be solvent and then some. But, like everything else that's LOGICAL, it won't happen.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» And put the money where? Posted by: billwald
» I don't follow this logic Posted by: ReallyBearish
Update Social Security
Posted by: xvictor on Nov 28, 2008 8:06 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Back when social security was first developed, population life expectancy was a lot shorter than they are now. Most folks would likely die before they are eligible to collect monthly payments, or live just a few short years beyond that date. There were also many more workers putting in to the system per retiree.

Things are different now. Folks are living a lot longer, so the retirement age to become eligible to collect is rediculously low. There are lot less worker per retiree contributing to the system.

And many folks are working beyond 65 anyway. They can't retire because they can't afford to. Even after they retire, they go back to work out of sheer boredom or, again, they can't afford not to. And now, it's not unusual for workers to hold their jobs well into their seventies.

One thing in ss that could change is the present regulation that allows retirees to collect monthly payments while holding down full time jobs, regardless of the amount collected. Sorry, but there's something inherently unfair about elderly types squandering social security money on las vegas slots.

Politicians must reasonably persuade folks that practical changes, in keeping with the intent and ideology of Social Securtiy, must take place. We all must accept this.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Update Social Security Posted by: luzmejor
My Money is MINE
Posted by: bperk on Nov 28, 2008 8:13 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Stop wasting MY MONEY over seas and GIVE IT BACK TO ME!!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

And that's what you get for not giving Nader and Mckinney a chance to make their case !
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 28, 2008 8:31 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Oh well, I'm an economic vigilante so I'll be economically armed and prepared for these scumbag clones. You all chose to ignore the warnings of a two-party duopoly and pushed a great deal of us voters into choosing between the lesser of the evils shit so shut up and take your punishment. Besides, this country's way too D-Y-S-F-U-N-C-T-I-O-N-A-L to understand the real meaning of Social Security so maybe America needs to learn her lesson the hard way !

However, for those of you who actually care to learn, read this article below and turn off that money worry mentality:

GETTING IT STRAIGHT: WHAT SOCIAL SECURITY ACTUALLY IS

In Order To Have A Useful Debate On “Saving” Social Security, We Have To First Realize What We Are Dealing With

by Thomas J. Bico

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Overseas?
Posted by: jennymac on Nov 28, 2008 11:20 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That's a bit simplistic. What exactly do you mean? Wars, aid for needy countries, what? Exactly what do you propose we do to *save* SS? That was very vague.

It's a global economy, for better or worse, and it's not going to change. In fact, if China doesn't help us out by buying up some (more) of our debt (as unfortunate as that may be), the economy will REALLY go down the tubes.

A formerly overlooked appointment has been the ambassador to China. It will be extremely important now. Keep a close eye as to who is appointed.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Time For A Class Action Lawsuit
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 28, 2008 11:44 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's described as INSURANCE and as such, should easily be able to pay out a greater benefit than is paid in- assuming it has been properly managed. We all know it has not been, so it's time to hit the morons in D.C. where it counts.

It's time to sue all involved in CIVIL Court, attach their wages and property, etc for their failure to exercise proper fiduciary responsibility. What they have done has not been within the margin of acceptable risk of unknown factors- it's been outright theft.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Absolutely Predictable: And It Will Get Worse
Posted by: lorenbliss on Nov 28, 2008 12:15 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now of course we are seeing not only the reason for the say-nothing vagueness of the Obama campaign -- moronic slogans and cultoid chanting in place of substance -- but also for the Machiavellian deceptions provided by McPalin: simultaneously a hate-magnet and a goad. As we are about to learn, every supporter of capitalism is a murdering fascist at heart. And what more effective murder than euthanasia-by-neglect -- in this instance the of slashing Social Security stipends. But you can bet the cuts won't be limited to the young: pretty soon -- just as McCain threatened during the campaign -- they'll be cutting the stipends of those of us already retired. In which context note how the Democrats have already abandoned their pledge to raise the income limits for Medicare assistance -- and how Big-Business/Big-Lie media has not said a word about the abandonment.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Missing the Obvious
Posted by: davescott on Nov 28, 2008 12:18 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Publishing a paper and getting controversial legislation through Congress are remarkably different things, and I certainly would not assume that this appointment means Barack Obama and congressional Democrats will be proselytizing for benefit reductions anytime soon.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Missing the Obvious Posted by: lorenbliss
you aren't a lawyer
Posted by: davescott on Nov 28, 2008 12:21 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I at least hope you arent a lawyer. Taxpayers generally do not have standing to sue the government for decisions. Moreoever, SS is in fact not an insurance program --it is a transfer program and has been for many decades.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: you aren't a lawyer Posted by: ardoin61
Here's a Solution
Posted by: Deadbeat Dad on Nov 28, 2008 2:46 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
1. Fire Peter Orszag

2. Place a 10% Soc Sec tax on estate recipients over ONE MILLION $

3. Place FICA tax on ALL wages ( not just under 80K)

4. Take a 5% Soc Sec tax on Cap Gains

5. You can lower the wage tax from 6.2 % to about 3%.

6. Keep benefits the same ( except for jackasses like ORszag, who obviously don't deserve social security benefits)

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Our stolen trust fund
Posted by: Gibsongirl on Nov 28, 2008 3:40 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Yes - I said STOLEN trust fund, because that's exactly what it is! The trust fund is made up of "withholding taxes" withheld every pay day from worker's pay checks! It was put into a trust fund for retirees who paid into it! The fact that the government has not paid it back means that, so far, the government has stolen our money! This money should be paid back along with every penny of interest that fund has earned over the years since it was confiscated! THAT MONEY CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE WORKER'S PAY, JUST AS PEOPLE NOW BUY 401K'S FOR THEIR RETIREMENT! Pay it back, and stop talking as if you're doing us a FAVOR by decreasing monthly payouts! Theft is theft, no matter who commits the crime!!!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Our stolen trust fund Posted by: ardoin61
jonnierae
Posted by: jonnie rae on Nov 29, 2008 11:57 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama will not cut benefits to social security recipients,nor will he raise the retirement age. He has talked about these things. Instead, he will raise the cap from what it is now: $95,000, I think. That means people only pay SS tax on the first $95,000of their yearly income. He will raise it, in order to keep SS solvent. Also, I think wealtlhy people should voluntarily not take SS. McCain gladly takes his, Ted Kennedy does not.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

What about CBO numbers
Posted by: chaoslegs on Dec 1, 2008 7:10 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
While the Social Security Trust Fund was saying 2041, the CBO was saying 2046 (that was in 2006), in 2008 CBO updated the date the trust runs out to 2049. Did nothing, gained 3 years, yep super urgent.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Where the money that was supposed to stay in our trust fund??
Posted by: ardoin61 on Dec 12, 2008 12:20 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have been worked since I was 16 and now I have 10 to 15 years left to retire, where are the rest of my money that were (still) taken by SSA, and get only five years' worth of money when I retire, (worked for 31 years plus additional 10 to 15 years!) and what about the rest (out of 26 years' worth of money earned by SSA)??? where the money go???

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Advertisement
Advertisement