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The Pentagon Represents Astounding Excess in Spending and Firepower: Can Obama Take it on?

By Frida Berrigan, Tomdispatch.com. Posted November 26, 2008.


Tackling the Pentagon, with its mega-budget and its mega-power, may be the hardest task Obama faces.

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Even saddled with a two-front, budget-busting war and a collapsing economy, President Barack Obama may be able to accomplish a lot. With a friendly Congress and a relieved world, he could make short work of some of the most egregious overreaches of the Bush White House -- from Guantanamo to those Presidential signing statements. For all the rolling up of sleeves and "everything is going to change" exuberance, however, taking on the Pentagon, with its mega-budget and its mega-power, may be the hardest task he faces.

 

The Mega-Pentagon

Under President George W. Bush, military spending increased by about 60%, and that's not including spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Eight years ago, as Bush prepared to enter the Oval Office, military spending totaled just over $300 billion. When Obama sets foot in that same office, military spending will total roughly $541 billion, including the Pentagon's basic budget and nuclear warhead work in the Department of Energy.

And remember, that's before the Global War on Terror enters the picture. The Pentagon now estimates that military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan will cost at least $170 billion in 2009, pushing total military spending for Obama's first year to about $711 billion (a number that is mind-bogglingly large and at the same time a relatively conservative estimate that does not, for example, include intelligence funding, veterans' care, or other security costs).

With such numbers, it's no surprise that the United States is, by a multiple of nearly six, the biggest military spender in the world. (China's military budget, the closest competitor, comes in at a "mere" $120 billion.) Still, it can be startling to confront the simple fact that the U.S. alone accounts for nearly half of all global military spending -- to be as exact as possible in such a murky area, 48% according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies. That's more than what the next 45 nations together spend on their militaries on an annual basis.

Again, keep in mind that war spending for 2009 comes on top of the estimated $864 billion that lawmakers have, since 2001, appropriated for the Iraq war and occupation, ongoing military operations in Afghanistan, and other activities associated with the Global War on Terror. In fact, according to an October 2008 report by the Congressional Research Service, total war spending, quite apart from the regular military budget, is already at $922 billion and quickly closing in on the trillion dollar mark.

Common Sense Cuts?

Years late, and with budgets everywhere bleeding red, some in Congress and elsewhere are finally raising questions about whether this level of spending makes any sense. Unfortunately, the questions are not coming from the inner circle of the president-elect.

Representative Barney Frank (D-MA) drew the ire and consternation of hard-line Republicans and military hawks when, in October, he suggested that Congress should consider cutting defense spending by a quarter. That would mean shaving $177 billion, leaving $534 billion for the U.S. defense and war budget and maintaining a significant distance -- $413 billion to be exact -- between United States and our next "peer competitor." Frank told a Massachusetts newspaper editorial board that, in the context of a struggling economy, the Pentagon will have to start choosing among its many weapons programs. "We don't need all these fancy new weapons," he told the staff of the New Bedford Standard Times. Obama did not back him up on that.

Even chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense John Murtha (D-PA), a Congressman who never saw a weapons program he didn't want to buy, warned of tough choices on the horizon. While he did not put a number on it, in a recent interview he did say: "The next president is going to be forced to decrease defense spending in order to respond to neglected domestic priorities. Because of this, the Defense Department is going to have to make tough budget decisions involving trade-offs between personnel, procurement and future weapons spending."

And now, President-elect Obama is hearing a similar message from the Defense Business Board, established in 2001 by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to give advice to the Pentagon. A few weeks ago, in briefing papers prepared for President-elect Obama's transition team, the Board, hardly an outfit unfriendly to the Pentagon, argued that some of the Defense Department's big weapons projects needed to be scrapped as the U.S. entered a "period of fiscal constraint in a tough economy." While not listing the programs they considered knife-worthy, the Board did assert that "business as usual is no longer an option."


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The industrial/military/state Complex
Posted by: writerman on Nov 26, 2008 1:44 AM   
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The idea that Obama, who is characterised by an extraordinarily accute understanding of his role, worth and position in the political system, is the kind of person to challenge powerful, vested interests - like the industrial/military/state complex - in frankly absurd.

This is a harsh judgement - yet it's unfortunately an accurate one. Obama would arguably cut his own leg off rather than cut the Pentagon's gigantic and bloated budget, not that he'd ever get the chance to make the choice.

It's possible that a few ridiculously expensive and totally useless projects and weapons system could be axed, but I wouldn't bet on it. Overall spending is likely rise, not fall.

And this is a disaster for the United States. The American people don't want to pay for a world empire or the military to garrison it, yet that's what they've got. Nobody asked them for their opinion. Their views didn't matter to the elite who really run the country. For them democracy doesn't count, what counts is managing and controlling the power of the people for their own ends. Wealth and power trumps votes every time. A banker has just one vote, like a plumber, but vastly more power to influence society before and after elections.

Obama isn't a leader of the people, but rather an integrated servant of the ruling system, which has precious little to do with democracy and almost everything to do with Power, who has it in abundance and more importantly, who doesn't.

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» We didn't ignore Kucinich! Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» I hear everything you're saying Posted by: WhuThe?!?
THE Corpirate Miltary Media Industrial Banking Complex, MMIBC!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Nov 26, 2008 2:41 AM   
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REMEMBER!
Jesus threw the money lenders out of The Temple and was Crucified 4 days later.

Emperor Ratschild and his Blood Sucking Clones,
Have stolen 95% of everything and they still want the rest.
NOW, That's what I called CAPITALISM!
Pumping money into the corrupt
Corpirate Banking system is a waste of time and resources.
It's DEAD!
Celebrate it's passing!
Pound a stake through it's Heart so it will be unable to Haunt U.S. again!
START OVER!

As the Shrub said,
"By putting FOOD on your Family."
Worthless Schlock Certificates are hard to swallow on a empty stomach.
Go Local
Go Green
Go Organic
Join
The Micro Democracy Revolution.
Start in your own backyard.

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He'll raise the Pentagon budget...
Posted by: fsuthai on Nov 26, 2008 2:49 AM   
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clearly says as much in his latest book. That and his over zealous Christian beliefs were the only 'faults' (IMO) I found in the entire book. However, he is also very good at hinting at things in ways that make different people think he is possible going to address their concerns; or at least hope so! I don't wish to bash him before he begins but all appearances indicate that we've been fooled again.
I vote Kucinich in 2012...if America is still a viable entity!

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The Pretender
Posted by: writerman on Nov 26, 2008 5:04 AM   
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I'll be honest. Obama reminds me of Tony Blair.

A new, young, articulate, charismatic, personable, lawyer.

Both of them came into office on a gigantic wave of optimism, hope and change. Both of them were Christians and promissed to sweap away the corruption that preceded them. Both of them were intelligent and thoughtful individuals. Both of them profoundly disappointed their supporters almost from day one. Let's hope history doesn't reapeat itself in other respects.

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Obama-How to take on "powers that be"
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 26, 2008 5:37 AM   
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Note that all four presidents who tried to end the banking monopolies were assassinated (Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy) and anyone who tries to expose these Banking Dynasties is demonized like Rep. Congressman James Traficant in 1993 and many others.

I do not know for a fact but I don't think any of these presidents spoke directly to the people about the evils of private central banks printing the money of the country.Obama needs to speak directly to a joint session of Congress and to the people by holding press conferences on a weekly basis in which he deals with the truth about the Federal Reserve Bank.

If he comes out of the closet unlike the past presidents who have attempted to end the private Central Bank, he may be able to avoid being assassinated. I know it seems far out, but I would if I were him lay all of his cards on the table including the fact that he knows his life is at risk by trying to shut down the Federal Reserve Bank.

By putting this out in the public domain, if he is assassinated then it would be hard to not look to central bankers as the assassins.

At this point, change can only occur by the person with the most power having the nerve to speak out.

Go to www.911insidejob.net

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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Nov 26, 2008 5:42 AM   
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The grossly inflated Pentagon budget actually helps in the present finanical meltdown - Hitler's rearmament got Germany out of the post 1929 depression and Roosevelt's rearmament is regarded as having done more to end the depression than the WPA. The Pentagon today is eating up enough public money to keep an awful lot of people in work throughout the U.S.

But of oourse the same Keynsian effect could be obtained by massive expenditure on the badly needed renovation of US infrastructure.

Arms expenditure is always hopefully wasted because it's proper job is to deter wars - which unfortunately it did not because America started them!

It won't be easy to transfer the "waste" on armaments to get the same Keynsian effect by doing something positive.

Still, with budget constraints now the rage, it should be pssible to reduce the Pentagon budget and with the proceeds finance the vast alternative energy programme Obama talks of.

That's partly because such a programme would use many of the same firms that are now taken up with armaments.

Any reduction in the vast Pentagon budget would greatly help the credibility of Obama's promise to get American back on the track of international cooperation after the years of Bushian confontation which has made so many enemies.

A real era of international cooperation will mean the US abandoning, even tacitly, Bush's neo-conservative aim of creating a unipolar world - anyway no longer possible after the worldwide disaster of the Iraq War and the US led global financial meltdown. |

for more see our website - www.dipconsult.eu

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» Rearmament Leads to Expensive Wars Posted by: FoonTheElder
» It won't help this time Posted by: westomoon
I got into this horseshit political polemicising for just one reason I am against WAR!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 26, 2008 5:44 AM   
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If Barack Obama Supports further funds for either the Pentagon or Homland Security or starts a war with Afghanistan, he will lose my support and trigger an immediate call for his impeachment. I have the document requesting this already typed up.

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» I'm also curious . . . Posted by: Scientz
Banking?
Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 26, 2008 5:50 AM   
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What exactly does the Messiah....er....I mean Se. Obama, know about banking? Other than that he was the recipient of some of their largest campaign donations while he was in the Senate. Or that his aide Rhambo made millions in the industry, or that his adviser Mr. Raines oversaw and directed the debacle at Fannie Mae??

And FYI Lincoln was very much behind the programs of the Boston bankers.....check your history.

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How an Israeli
Posted by: weathered on Nov 26, 2008 6:00 AM   
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could run the books w/in the Pentagon is enough to scare the sh-t out of Stephen King.

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» RE: How an Israeli Posted by: Nightstallion
Here are Two Graphs on subject that are helpful
Posted by: Phred42 on Nov 26, 2008 6:00 AM   
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http://www.djrserv.com/images/GlobalMiltaryspend2009.gif

http://www.djrserv.com/images/Budget%202008.gif

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Cut the Military
Posted by: gellero1 on Nov 26, 2008 6:01 AM   
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Obama can start but cutting the bases and weapons programs the Pentagon doe NOT want................

CONGRESS is the culprit here. Both parties.

Let's see what happens.

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This is what the military is all about:
Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Nov 26, 2008 6:31 AM   
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I recommend every american know their history; do take the time to read this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21305.htm
The people who run our military today, with their cluster bombs and spent uranium munitions, are the same ones who perpetrated these heinous crimes on humanity. They would do it again if given the chance. We should shut them down completely and invest in goodness, not EVIL.

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if i were the prez.............
Posted by: denk on Nov 26, 2008 7:19 AM   
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“If I were president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United states in a few days. Permanently. I would first apologize—very publicly and very sincerely—to all the widows and orphans, the impoverished ad tortured, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism. Then I would announce to every corner of the world that America’s global military interventions have come to an end. I would then inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the union but-oddly enough-a foreign country. Then I would reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many American bombings, invasions, and sanctions. There would be more than enough money. One year’s military budget in the United States is equal to more than $20,000 per hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born. That’s one year. That’s what I’d do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I’d be assassinated.”

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It is way past time to take on the MI Complex....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 26, 2008 7:24 AM   
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It is way past time that the budget of the Military-Industrial-Complex be shaved. Programs such as "Star Wars" that have never even been proven to work, and many others need to go! Exactly why must we build all of these pie in the sky weapons systems? As we have seen, all that is really accomplished is aggression, usually by chicken-shit bullies that have never served one day in military service!

This is not "making the world safe" for anyone, especially us! Simply bullying other nations into doing what you want is never the answer! Don't believe me, look at the response of the rest of the world to the current Executive now! They all know that he is irrelevant, and are really looking forward to working with an Obama Adminstration!

If Congress were to "shave off" say 25% of what they continue to feed the Complex, they can invest that money into this nation - health-care for all, improvements in education, infrastructure upgrades, paying down our debt to the Chinese, et. al.! The Complex in turn can start R&D into "greener" technology vs. the destruction of the planet that they currently peddle; besides they'll get a tax credit for it! I believe that that is a win-win for us all!

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40% in 8 years
Posted by: taxidriver on Nov 26, 2008 7:36 AM   
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Set a reasonable goal: a 5% reduction a year for 8 years, assuming Obama serves two terms. A 40% reduction in 8 years would allow the Pentagon and our empire to shrink gradually. And it would be a considerable achievement.

Cutting the Pentagon budget -- in a reasoned, measured way -- is a patriotic act.

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Obama campaigned on military increase.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Nov 26, 2008 7:44 AM   
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In case you missed it: Mr. Obama said repeatedly that he wishes to increase the size of the military to 65 to 100 thousand troops.

This is not a reduction in the military budget.

I know the delusional readers will attack me, and scream that I should give him a chance, but I am a little old to change now.

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you if think the current "defence" spending is oscene....
Posted by: denk on Nov 26, 2008 8:03 AM   
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well u aint seen nuthin yet......

"Mullen, speaking at a news conference with Defense Secretary Robert Gates at the Pentagon, also described the need to be prepared for high-intensity wars against “larger adversaries.” Mullen said, “I recognize that the military budget is higher now than it has ever been” but “I would see that in the future as an absolute floor"

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why can we only cut military spending because there is a recession?
Posted by: Guatemala on Nov 26, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Very interesting piece. But the driving force behind the argument to cut the military is the pressing economic disaster. That is correct -- but kind of lame. Why can we not cut military spending because our society has other more important needs for the money? Who sets the public agenda? What makes it 'public' if we the public don't decide what gets spent on what?
I live in Guatemala, where this argument is much harder. But it is distressing to see that even in the 'democratic' US where the public has some say in the national agenda, that military spending cuts are still a taboo subject.

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The Military/Industrial complex has always bee the problem
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Nov 26, 2008 10:04 AM   
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These are the idiots that dreamed up new and wonderful ways of killing people and then had to go use them somewhere. No bother whether or not there's any actual need for such killing toys,they made them,they wanted to use them.

The military needs to be comfronted on all levels. Seems to me the best way to control military spending is to not create policy that ends with wars,death and killing...ya know...
PEACE!! The thing that comes from open and honest dealings with all people. The thing that is the wellspring of mutual respect and compassionate understanding,the thing that helps us recognize we're all one race.

Peace cannot exist in the presence of greed.
Greed does all it can to stamp out Peace. Greed
convinces you that there's a 'threat' and there must be armed personell to confront this rarely seen 'Threat'.

Peace is a curse to Greed for it by it's very nature inspires sharing for the good of all, and greed knows there's little profit in that. But there's gold in the hills of imaginary enemies out to get what you have, and the Military/Industrial Complex does that exploitation...in spades.

A 10% cut in defense would fund Healthcare for all citizens.

A 25% cut could help jumpstart wind and solar production.

A 50% cut would help rebuild the country's infrastructure
and a

75% cut would remove the global idea that "You'd better watch out,or the US will invade you.',forcing us to become a society of diplomats and Peacemakers and not merchant's of death.

So where would you like to start cutting?

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Pentagon waste
Posted by: Archie1954 on Nov 26, 2008 10:17 AM   
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The civilian government must reassert control over the military. For too long now everything the Pentagon wanted it got. The military industrial complex actually controls the US in many undefined and unnoticed ways. The question should actually be asked, "If the US needs to militarily outspend every other country in the world and in fact a large majority of all of them collectively, then what is the US doing wrong in its foreign policy or other relations with the world's nations that it has to protect itself from all others to this extent? Why is it so hated? Why do Americans feel so fearful? Why, why, why?"

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Turn off the Hydrant
Posted by: NathanHail on Nov 26, 2008 10:30 AM   
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Thank you for addressing the 800 Pound Gorilla in Washngton. Our military is a disgrace. Not the soldiers but the Commanders, the Congress, the Technologists and the Academics. They perpetuate the most dangerous uncontrolled threat to global security. Where will it end? Micronukes, robotic weapons systems, RF ID chips in your neck, checkpoints in our suburbs?
Cut the Pentagon's budget in half. Close all of the malignant foreign bases. Demand true verifiable transparency. And fire every contractor that has been stealing taxpayer money through waste and fraud for decades. Stop this obscene madness. Our grandchildren will thank us.

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Defense budgeting
Posted by: westomoon on Nov 26, 2008 10:51 AM   
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A few weeks ago, I was attempting to gather overall defense-spending figures and had a terrible flashback to my days in DoD budget. I'd forgotten how impenetrable the Defense budget is to outside scrutiny -- it's structured to repel boarders -- and how difficult it is to sort it out, much less slow it down.

That's why, despite my desperate impatience to get out of these insane wars, I was relieved to hear that Obama will keep Gates in place for an extended transition -- it takes at least a year, and a lot of tutoring, to really understand the Defense budget.

The DoD budget is also structured so that it can take as long as ten years to stop current spending flows -- it has an armful of different appropriations, ranging from the one-year appropriation that covers operating costs like personnel and supplies, to the ten-year appropriation that covers military construction.

Weapons systems tend to be funded by 5-year appropriations -- and administered through a contract system that allows contractors to charge overhead at shockingly high rates as contracts phase out. That means, even if you cut all further spending on a given system right now, you'll still be spending at close to current rates for years, even if no more goods are produced.

And the whole budget process is based on weapons systems, as is the promotion process for military officers. Wasteful spending is the foundation of the military culture, and it will be very hard to uproot it.

So you have to dismantle the train while it's still in motion, using a system structured to resist change and to blindfold the demolition crew. Reining in defense spending is a hugely difficult undertaking, especially if you are also trying to actually improve performance at the same time. That's why it is so seldom even attempted.

It needs to be done -- one comparison this article does not make is that defense spending is one-half of all US discretionary spending. But I, for one, am going to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this front for at least four years.

He has said many times that he opposed driving the bus into the ditch, but now that it's there, we need to act very cautiously to get it out. It'll be hard to be patient, but he's going to have to spin straw into gold to calm the global situation, evaluate and figure out how to dispose of the huge web of bases we've built worldwide, derail contracts that have devolved into sinecures, and change the internal DoD and military cultures so they recognize and support excellence again, all while under lethal crossfire from the many legislators and governors who are wholly-owned subsidiaries of the military-industrial complex that now owns DoD.

It's such an important undertaking that it's worth cutting the man considerable slack while he tries. This cleanup, I'm pretty sure, will be done quietly and cleverly -- which means we may not know what he's doing til it's done.

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Obama supported retaining Lieberman as chair of HS, yes?
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 26, 2008 11:24 AM   
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That means supporting the status quo in the Congressional-military-industrial pork barrel complex, that keeps U.S. military expenditures at over $500 billion a year ever since the Cold War ended - which, you get the feeling, they wish hadn't happened. Wouldn't it be simpler to justify a gargantuan and wasteful military budget if there was some terrible Soviet threat, just over the horizon, just itching to launch an invasion via Cuba, Nicaragua and Alaska?

Those were the good old days, huh? Now, we have to use suicide bombers and terrorist plotters as justification for ever-more-expensive jet aircraft... and it's hard to sell the idea that Iran will be launching any ballistic missiles at Poland, as well... such confusion.

Why does the author presume that Obama even wants to "take on" the Pentagon? I bet those CIA and military briefings are pretty thrilling stuff, and he wants their support, not their opposition, right? Thus, he's keeping Gates on, and keeping Lieberman on.

This is so he can take on... who? Who is left to take on? It's all status quo. Everyone's rolled over. They're all on the team. Somewhere, there is a trade to be made... somewhere, over the rainbow... how about that $700 billion bailout? Followed by a $300 billion Citigroup bailout...damn it... couldn't Citigroup just lean on the money laundering crowd... could it be?

Wait! We can Fix This. We just need to relax our banking regulations to the point that we become a transit route for all the dirty money on the planet - load it up in Mexican banks, flood it through Citigroup to clean it up, take a 50% cut, and ship it all back to Swiss or Cayman Island accounts! That'll provide billions in extra funding for our cash-strapped banking system! The international trade in illegal drugs alone has a cash value of some $500 billion - sure to rise in these troubled times - and if we take 50% - that's pretty good!

Wait... wait. I'm being told that we're already doing that... have been since the 1980s, matter of fact... well... this IS bad.

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Can he? Undoubtedly . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Nov 26, 2008 12:49 PM   
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. . . will he? I doubt it.

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In theory, yes. In probability, monkeys will fly out of my butt long before Obama
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 26, 2008 2:18 PM   
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trims any of that wasteful military spending. And if he don't raise spending at the Pentagon, Congress will step in for that and so too will the foam-at-the-mouth pro-war zombies ! But before that happens, his pro-war cabinet will see to it he gives the Pentagon more money to get sloppier and sloppier !

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If anything
Posted by: willymack on Nov 26, 2008 5:49 PM   
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Gets Obama bumped off, it'll be because he crossed the Pentagon.

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OBAMA MUST STOP THIS HORRIBLE EXCESS IN SPENDING
Posted by: cori on Nov 27, 2008 5:59 PM   
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Because if he doesn't they will leave us on the economic ash heap of history. We don't need 761 bases that are virturally nations unto themselves with corporations providing everything from toilet paper to food. We don't need to be paying for the biggest private corporate army in history, above the law increasing conficts in the region. The corporations, making record profit by raping us should pay for their own security. We don't need an anti balissitic missile system. using Iran as an excuse. There is such a thing as mutual assured destruction. Why would Iran bomb anyone when they know of the retaliation that would ensue? It's just another excuse to spend billions, maybe trillions, another arms contract that is part of the revolving door system where they take our tax dollars and beyond and then make profits. This must stop. Japan and Europe can pay for their own bases. We need to put limits on the military industiral complex that is so out of control that it will devour us. No more excuses for war for profit at our expense. We cannot sacrifice our population for their greed.

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Obama must stop the horrible excess in millitary spending
Posted by: cori on Nov 27, 2008 7:38 PM   
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Because if he doesn't they will leave us on the economic ash heap of history. We don't need 761 bases that are virtually nations unto themselves with corporations providing everything from toilet paper to food. We don't need to be paying for the biggest private corporate army in history, above the law increasing conflicts in the region. The corporations, making record profits by raping us should pay for their own security. We don't need an anti ballistic missile system using Iran as an excuse. There is such a thing as mutual assured destruction. Why would Iran bomb anyone when they know of the retaliation that would ensue? It's just another excuse to spend billions, maybe trillions, another arms contract that is part of the revolving door system where they take our tax dollars and then make profits. This must stop. Japan and Europe can pay for their own bases. We need to put limits on the military industrial complex that is so out of control that it will devour us. No more excuses for war for profit at our expense. We cannot sacrifice our population for their greed.

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THIS IS NOTHING NEW for Rear Echelon Trash
Posted by: joeocho88 on Nov 30, 2008 11:59 AM   
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Some of the biggest BACKSTABBERS, LIARS and THIEVES as well as the PERPETRATORS OF EMPLOYMENT DISCRIMINATION have been RETIRED MILITARY from the REAR ECHELON. They hated even despised WOMEN ( who were not permitted the opportunities in today's military back in THEIR day), persons of Mexican descent and African Americans in THE CIVILIAN WORKPLACE and plotted overtime to make their lives HELL so they would have a "constructive discharge" ( A military rear echelon word if ever I heard it!) and they could get some of their cronies to replace the civilians so they could steal and malinger without any fear of being reported.

Corporations sought to hire them because they didn't need as much pay or medical benefits that other workers did because they had already retired from the service so they kept the wages and benefits depressed for years. The employer also received a subsidy from Uncle Sam for hiring these guys.

THE REAR ECHELON TYPES HAVE THE TIME TO FIGURE OUT THESE INGENIOUS WAYS TO LIE,CHEAT,STEAL,MISAPPROPRIATE AND STUFF THEIR POCKETS AND THOSE OF THEIR CRONIES!

I CAN SEE WHY THE PENTAGON HAS BUDGETARY PROBLEMS AND THAT'S NOT EVEN BEGINNING TO INCLUDE THE BLACK OPS PROGRAMS ON THE SIDE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE USUAL BOONDOGGLES AND SCREW UPS AND POLITICAL PATRONAGE AND JUST PLAIN DIRTY DEALING.

THEY EVEN MADE UP THEIR OWN OFFICIAL ALBEIT GOBBLEDYGOOK OFFICIAL AND INTIMIDATING VOCABULARY ALL BUT UNDECIPHERABLE TO THOSE WHO WEREN'T INSIDERS TO DESCRIBE THEIR ILLEGAL ACTS AND THUS MAKE THEM SEEM LEGITIMATE and making it seem like they were acting for the good of the service....

THESE REAR ECHELON GUYS WERE NOT FROM THE IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN WARS! THEY NEVER FOUGHT ON THE GROUND! THEY GOT TO WHERE THEY GOT TO BECAUSE OF WHO THEY KNEW!

I HAVE NOTHING BUT ADMIRATION AND PRAISE ABOUT OUR BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE FIGHTING OVERSEAS NOW.

IT IS AN OUTRAGE THAT IT TOOK A CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION TO FIND OUT WHY THEY DID NOT HAVE THE THINGS THEY NEEDED TO FIGHT THE WAR THEY WERE ORDERED INTO RIGHT! PROBABLY BECAUSE THESE SAME REAR ECHELON THIEVES STOLE AND SOLD THEIR EQUIPMENT!

THERE IS STILL A LOT OF THAT OLD, ARCHAIC REAR ECHELON MENTALITY AT THE PENTAGON IT SEEMS.TOO MUCH.

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