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All the Talk of a Depression Is ... Depressing

By Danny Schechter, AlterNet. Posted November 26, 2008.


The Democrats have always sung "happy days are here again," but it doesn't seem to be the right song for these hard times.

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In this Thanksgiving week, a majority, perhaps, of all Americans will give thanks not only for a bountiful table but for a transition of power in which so much hope is invested.

As the new Administration translates its campaign's lofty vision of change into a new team and concrete plans, we find that the new change-makers are largely a throw back to the old centrist Clinton Administration that took its marching orders from the corporate interests funding the Democratic Leadership Conference.

Barack Obama is now calling for a major stimulus and job creation effort but outlining it and getting it done will be quite different and difficult. Creating two and a half million new jobs by 2011 is a good goal but seems far off in a country where official unemployment now stands at ten million and so many need relief now. Ditto for debt relief, a topic no one is even talking about.

In the interim, as the snows come and the season turns colder, many a family will face an uncomfortable choice: "heat or eat." This could be the worst shopping season ever. 36 Million families have or are close to maxing out their credit cards.

The Democrats have always sung "happy days are here again" but it doesn't seem to be the right song for these hard times. It's taken a full year for the punditocracy to even accept that we are in a recession. Last November, the economists at investment banks (that no longer exist in their old form) had proclaimed the recession, "the R word, " was already here. The press held off with constant references to a "possible recession" or the government is trying to "stave off a recession."

Part of the confusion can be attributed to how recessions are defined. The Oakland Tribune looked into this and concluded,

The truth is, nobody knows. The responsibility for declaring the stages of the business cycle is informally held by that most dreaded of concepts -- a committee of economists. The Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research uses several economic indicators, including personal income, unemployment, industrial production and sales and manufacturing volume, to determine the health of the economy. It's not true that they declare a recession if economic growth is negative for two quarters in a row. If it were that simple, we wouldn't need a committee.

If you want to know about the state of the economy in real time, you can't rely on the NBER.

If the NBER did the D.C. weather forecast, here's how it would work. The bureau would gather precipitation data from every neighborhood, then interview residents to make sure the data are accurate. After much deliberation, it would tell us whether it had rained last month.

Same with recessions: The NBER's pronouncements historically come long after recessions have begun, a whopping seven months on average. By the time the bureau announced the recession of 1991, it already had ended."

Back then, a year ago, the people who were living the financial crisis, and those that saw it coming acknowledged the slow down and freeze up of the economic order. They saw the dominos falling but were still seen as alarmists, not alarm sounders. They called the recession. Today many if these same seers are using the D word, depression.

And once again no one can agree on what that would look like either, writes Michael Panzer, author of Financial Armageddon.

There is, in fact, no agreed-upon definition of what a depression is. Economists are unanimous that the Great Depression was the worst economic downturn the industrial world has ever seen, and that we haven't had a depression since, but beyond that there is not a consensus. Recessions have an official definition from the National Bureau of Economic Research, but the bureau pointedly declines to define a depression.

At the same time economists like Nobel Laureate Joe Stiglitz says the current credit situation may be even worse:

This is clearly the most serious problem since the Great Depression and in some ways worse in terms of the financial institutions." Stiglitz commented, referring to the fact that lenders are unwilling to take risks to finance each other because they no longer have complete access to their own undertakings let alone those of other institutions.

As economists debate the likelihood of a depression most of our media highlights sunnier forecasts, perhaps to boost confidence and the sales pitches of their advertisers. They rarely offer the insights of third world analysts like Samir Amin:


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Danny Schechter writes a blog for MediaChannel.org. He is the author of "Embedded: Weapons of Mass Deception: How the Media Failed to Cover the War on Iraq" (Prometheus).

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WOULD CAVING IN HELP?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 26, 2008 7:51 AM   
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If we were all to agree that we are in a depression, would anything change? It's true that in some parts of the country conditions can only be defined as a depression. A term usually used among alcoholics and drug addicts has some merit here. There's much to be said for 'denial'. As long as we sell ourselves a bill of goods we'll keep on trying. When we all cave in to the depression idea we will cripple ourselves. Meantime, some of us live in areas that are not as bad as say Michigan. Unemployment now at about 6.5% is much higher in some areas and lower in others. The biggest difference between today and the 30's is that we get to know what and how everyone else is doing. Information is available every minute. If commercial TV prefers not to report the real news to us, we have other means of finding out what we want to know. That's a huge advantage. Nobody really wants a handout, but sometimes that's all there is. Maybe instead of being engrossed in politics 24/7 we ought to tune in to other Americans who are alot more like us than the politicians. We are much more likely to end up in line at a soup kitchen than to get elected to any public office. There are countless charities and bleeding heart liberal band wagons to jump on. Take your pick. Meantime, are we in a depression? I say yes, but for the time being I'd like to call it "hard times". It just sounds less ominous. Thanks, ANNA

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Just wait until Spring for depressing
Posted by: lclark on Nov 26, 2008 9:27 AM   
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The banks are hoarding all those 7 T as in TRILLION dollars that have been passed to them. Good for gobbling up the little fish and real assets.

When those T as in TRILLION start flowing into the market be ready for stage 2 of the meltdown, which will be the meltdown of the dollar.

We've been had big time. They've stolen all the cash and the country. You may get a government subsidized job, but the money will not be worth much soon.

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Look at the bright side
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Nov 26, 2008 12:32 PM   
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Amid all of the economic gloom is there any room for optimists?

A bigger problem than our economic situation is the environmental catastrophe that climate scientists agree is coming our way. Just maybe this economic slow-down will reduce fossil-fuel use enough to delay this more serious disaster that will be coming our way shortly.

In every silver lining there seems to be a gray cloud.

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Artificial Deprevation that Benefits the Few
Posted by: Daer Mi on Nov 26, 2008 1:10 PM   
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During a depression, all the same resources - food, technology, medicine - still exist in great abundance. Scarcity occurs not from a lack of resources, but from a lack of currency to buy them. Therefore there is never true scarcity; the suffering of the people during times of deprevation is COMPLETELY ARTIFICIAL. The same is true when you look at the situation of world hunger: we have enough food to feed the planet. People starve not for a lack of food, but because they don't have the money to pay.

The next step of our evolution as a species must be to diminish or (if possible) rid ourselves entirely of these artificial systems of deprevation that allow the few to become excessively wealthy off of resources that are so abundant they have no real monetary worth, except if access to them is controlled and limited. We can do this, but only if we shed the economic paradigm and world-view that has burdened us for the last 2000+ years.

Interested? Google the video "Zeitgeist Addendum," and visit http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/ to join the discussion on this economic idea. (Ignore the flying cars - just look at the theory of an abundance-based economy.)

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Humans are just plain mean and selfish
Posted by: macdon1 on Nov 28, 2008 4:20 PM   
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We will never have anywhere near equal distribution of resources in this world because most (not all) humans are just too mean and selfish and the more they have the meaner they get. Maybe if we had some great leveling effect and everyone was reduced to subsistence level we MIGHT be able to do it, but I fear what would happen is the mean and greedy would just kill off the rest and take everything. The older I get the less convinced I become that humans are even fit to survive as a species.

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