How to Stop the Looming Depression Without Lining Fat-Cat CEOs' Pockets

Saving Jobs ... We do this with "Medicare for All". Medicare for All would help re-capitalize business (especially manufacturing), school districts, state and local government, individual payers and the under and uninsured. The states could use any excess of savings for unemployment and pension funds. Overall this could save hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs while putting money quickly and directly into the system in the most efficient, fairest way ... taking care of people's medical bills.

How do we help consumers and homeowners? Bankruptcy Reform, in particular, legalizing house price reductions in bankruptcy court could solve many foreclosures almost immediately. They are also necessary because so many mortgages have several owners with different " pieces" of the mortgage. Chris Dodd already proposed this but was rebuffed by the banking interests. Bankruptcy reform could also be extended to the "cramdown" of valuations on cars and credit cards. This bankruptcy will not be a giveaway but a severe chastisement for credit abuse. The 2005 Bankruptcy Act was a travesty of justice.

We need to clean up the banks. Throwing money into banks won't work. We need an FDR style Bank Holiday or what has been referred to as the Swedish Plan. That is we first examine the books of the banks then decide who is viable (solvent) and who isn't (insolvent). The solvent banks are given help if they need it and the insolvent banks are liquidated where the account holders are made whole and transfered to solvent institutions. The process we are trying now , the TARP Program, is just picking winners and losers without knowing what the real losses are in the banks that are helped. And indeed there is ample evidence that this TARP Program is being guided by politics and favoritism rather than for the best interest of the public.

We need to nationalize the Federal Reserve. What has become clear is that this hybrid central bank has been and is being wrought by favoritism to the banks and special interests, and not being operated in the public interest. The current crisis and previous crises can be laid right at the feet of the Federal Reserve, through its operations, management and advisory malfeasance. What is needed is the reclamation of the sovereignty for the creation of currency and credit. We need a truly Public Central Bank as Canada has.

The more jobs we save the shorter the recession. The more we help consumers and homeowners get credit under control the shorter the recession. The sooner we clean up the banks toxic books the shorter the recession. Nationalizing the Federal Reserve and creating a truly public central bank will help to pay for the multi trillion dollar mess the Fed has ignored, enabled and promoted.

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I disagree with the author because the infastructure we currently have which was built to serve the auto and oil industry is the source of a huge amount of health problems. The aggregate pollution created by the manufacture, maintenance, fuelling and disposal of what is in many places the only transportation mode available is a constant challenge to the health and well being of everyone, and unfortunately those who don't get to enjoy the ride eat the most dirt. Many highways and local roads are unsafe for cyclists and pedestrians. That amounts to a form of lock-down for the poor. Those who do drive are at constant risk of severe personal injury and death. If we just focus on health care it is like diligently wiping up the blood as the victim is still being stabbed. You have to get rid of the knife to do any real good.
All the issues are interconnected, the solutions as well as the problems. I am confident that actual change is possible at this time. A lot depends on the public and our willingness to engage in the finding and implementing of the solutions right here where we live. Getting out of our cars is a good place to start.

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It would be a massive mistake to save existing jobs: it will flash freeze the US and innovation and precipitate the country's decline down the toilet.

Fire the old economy: do it and do it quickly.

Put all the money into the new economy and the future. It should look like this:

1) Modern infrastructure everywhere
2) Design: design firms and agencies should be getting lots of cash to make the future
3) Tech: you love them, you hate them, but they are the future
4) Don't waste money on healthcare: the healthcare industry is sick and does not make people better. People need to change their lifestyles
5) Education: I can agree with this: smarter is always better

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During that last Great Depression, the Roosevelt administration moved to save capitalism from a socialist revolution by (among other measures) promoting individual home ownership. (Turning workers into "property-owners" was their warped idea of how to turn workers into capitalists.) That's when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were created.

Hmm...millions of home foreclosures...guess that didn't work.

Back to the drawing board?

Why are we looking for ways to resuscitate this inhumane system? It's time for a REAL change.

We've got a world that is rich in resources, billions of people who are willing to work, and the ability to communicate and coordinate our efforts on a global scale...it's not rocket science!

Let the workers take over the world. They couldn't do a worse job than the short-sighted, greedy, self-serving cretins who are currently in charge.

Solidarity is the best medicine.

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"We are now at a crash site, and our priority should be to save the victims."

Just plain wrong! It should read:

"We are now at the crime site, and our priority should be to save the victims."

Then only the author may suggest:

"Here's how we do that..."

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~~ This guy is a SPAMMER! ~~

He pops in every day to make exactly two posts. They may be nominally on topic - but they add nothing to the discussion. He can't even keep his 'nym straight - sometimes he signs "Jess" and sometimes "Jeff"

CLusterAble Spam

This is a very common pattern for Ultimate Anonymity. They're well known throughout usenet and on various blogs and discussion sites.

Ultimate-Anonymity spam

I've reported him multiple times, but for some reason Alternet keeps letting him eat up free bandwidth. (I suggested that they tell him not to post the UA link - I'd bet my next paycheck that he'd stop posting if they did)

PLEASE HIT THE "REPORT THIS COMMENT" LINK ON CLUSTERABLE'S POSTS

(hey, you're welcome to do it on this post as well. So long as they get multiple hits, I'm happy ;-)

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And let the god damn motherfucking system collapse already, god damn it !!

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One way to prevent owners from being kicked out of their foreclosed home is to allow them to rent (long term) from the banks, without being kicked out. At least the houses won't become empty and there will be less people sleeping on the streets. This would also protect the neighborhood from falling prices. Simple and fast. Not complicated, less hardship. Pass it on.

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Before this nation does anything, everyone needs to recognize that we will have to spend more money and go deeper into debt! The current fiasco of an Administration has thoroughly depleted the treasury in their attempts to compensate their cronies - at the expense of everyone else! This whole bail-out is their final parting gift!

In order for the incoming President to do what needs to be done, money without strings must stop flowing to the very people who engorged themselves in the first place! Now it is the carmakers that need a bail out! When Detroit was showered with cash the last time around - did they use that money to get better fuel standards? More energy efficient vehicles perhaps? NOT! They brought out bigger, better, less fuel efficient SUV's! And Americans living in the delusion bought, and bought! When California decided to raise fuel efficiency standards - it was the lobbiests from Detroit that got involved and suddenly it was impossible (I think they said un-Constitutional?) for the state to impose such a regulation!

All of this backdoor manoeuvering, pandering to big corporate interests and their rich cronies are what will need to be pushed back in order for "the government" to function. But in order for that to happen, it will take everyone writing those letters, calling their congress-person, picketing, demanding fairness and equality for what is right for everyone not just the rich and powerful!!!

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Averting a deep recession or depression is more important than "getting back" at devils, real or imagined.

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First we're told that Obama is packing his transition team and (so far) his administration with former Clinton people. then we're told he's a breath of fresh air - just because he can speak well (nice, but not enough), and that he has bold vision - but not bold enough to stay free of the Clintons. (Screwy.)

Then we're told Obama must choose between new green technology and repairing/rebuilding and up-grading infrastructure on the one hand, and supporting/improving schools and hospitals on the other. This is what is known as a false dilemma.

These are not our only options. First, Obama needs to re-think that expanded military, not the investments in infrastructure and green technology. If he can re-think one goal, why not the other? (The author needs to be consistent. Why does he accept one decision as immutable, but not the other?) Only if we let Obama expand the military will he be left with this Hobson's choice.

We need to re-tool for peace. (Yes, I am stating it again. It's too important to say only once.)

Close down most of our foreign bases. Why must we be the world's policeman? Why must we employ so many in other lands, when we cannot employ all of our own citizens? Most of these nations don't need protection from anyone, and those who do ought to turn to NATO. Let the world share the burden of its own protection.

Troops removed from foreign bases can relieve those on their third and fourth tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. (The abandoned bases could be sold to NATO at going-out-of-business prices. At just a dime per square foot, how much would we bring in? We could even let them spread out the payments and/or give them special deals: buy fifty, get twenty free; buy one hundred, get fifty free; buy three hundred, get two hundred free.)

The money we save on maintaining and (re-)equipping the bases, including civilian support services salaries, could go to schools and hospitals. As has already been noted - by mmckinl - a single-pay health plan would lower those hospital/health-care costs. Dumping health insurance companies would not affect employment significantly: clerical and managerial employees would be needed in the expanded federal health care system. Most, if not all, of the job losses would be at the very top tiers - such as the boardrooms. (Let their wealthy friends take care of them.)

There would also be a reduction in civilian support positions here, but hose workers could be transferred to posts alongside other (new) employess in a variety of peace-oriented endeavors, such as in the infrastructure and green technology fields that we would suddenly be able to contemplate doing alongside improving schools and hospitals.

The very corporations that bleed us dry with newer and flashier (and increasingly unnecessary and over-priced) planes and tanks and rockets (of which we would need far fewer) could contribute to the research & development phase of the new green technology push, as well as serving as part of the manufacturing base for it. We would save a fortune on new factories, and that could go into the infrastructure improvements.

It's all there, just waiting for a true visionary to realize: it is far better for us to be the republic we were meant to be, to heed Washington, Madison, and Jefferson's wise counsel and avoid "foreign intrigues" and "foreign entanglements," and finally dismantle Eisenhower's dreaded military-industrial complex. It is, in fact, our only viable alternative. There is only one real choice: flourish or perish.

No, if Obama were bold and insightful he would realize we can no longer deny that the World War II re-tooling for war is long overdue for a reversal. That is the kind of outside-the-box thinking we need of him. Well, outside-the-box, for most politicians.

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From the article:
"Of the larger rich, industrial countries, only the United States has yet to build a single mile of what constitutes the new global standard of transportation."

That's because in the last eight years we have seen the greatest transfer of wealth in history from the Middle Class (Remember? Those who actually do the hard work?) to the parasites of Wall Street, who earn stratospheric fees by doing no more than shuffling money around. You know, money-changers.

Thanks to that transfer, which has now been vastly accelerated by Treasury Secretary Paulson's and the Bush administration's early Christmas gift to their crooked Wall Street friends, we have what will amount to $1.5 TRILLION less with which to fund a "bottom-up," jobs-oriented recovery.

I find it curious (in a morbid way) that the administration, with the help of a whipped and compliant congress, thought nothing of giving $750 billion of borrowed money to the same financial institutions that got us into this mess, "because they are too big to be allowed to fail," but will not pledge 4% of that money, $25 billion, to auto companies whose only crimes are that they actually produce something but were not forward-thinking enough to produce the right vehicles for the times, or to have anticipated a financial meltdown not of their making. Oh, yeah, and who employ, directly or indirectly, 2.5 MILLION Americans who will lose their jobs and medical insurance and pensions if the Big Three automakers fail. This level of job loss coming now would be an unmitigated DISASTER for the American economy, if not its death-knell.

I'm not a fan of the Big Three automakers, whose upper management, for the most part, should be fired; however, keeping alive companies that actually make products to me is a no-brainer. But not to our lawmakers – which goes to show just how beholding they are to the institutions on the other side of the revolving door between congress and cushy executive jobs over on Wall Street. Our lawmakers understand full-well not only on which side their bread is buttered, but where the butter comes from – and it ain't Detroit.

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There is nothing in God's creation or man's imagination that can or will stop the looming depression - it's here and it's been coming for a long time already.

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November 19, 2008

Dick Cheney Indicted By Texas Grand Jury!

Dick Cheney Indicted By Texas Grand Jury

I got so excited reading this a little over 1 1/2 hours ago, that I almost had a sexual experience!

This is wonderful news! Naturally he will most likely be absolved from any "wrong" doing.

M. Holt

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As long as people fail to discern that money is purposeful (and easily proven) slavery by proxy, they'll remain duped and deluded slaves to those that control money and all the negatives it spawns, cultivates, and perpetuates. Money is based on greed, and all the other explanations of its uses and purposes must ignore this pivotal wisdom. Likewise, the calls for socialism miss the point that socialism is based on money, which s a root cause of evil and great injustice.

Furthermore, money is secretly controlled by evil cabals that hide behind the veils maintained by the Vatican and its secret society cohorts. These are humanity's slave-masters and the source of great deception and blatant evil. If we want to stop the suffering and struggle of billions, the only just solution is to kill the beast we call money !!! On the other hand, you could keep your heads in the sand and pretend that money and those that control it are not the most greedy and arrogant souls on the planet.

Shortly though, all money will die a horrible and long-overdue death because the rapidly failing 1.x quadrillion derivatives debt is 20+ times bigger than global GDP and about 20 times more than all the money in circulation. Hence, it is too big to be fixed by money and associated banking deceptions. The only way for money to fix these problems is for you to agree to remaining marks and dupes and working your lives away to prop up a proven deception that is the source of great evil.

Real change would entail killing these great deceptions, and finally turning to verifiable wisdom.

Are you ready for real change yet?

Peace and Wisdom...

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A major problem the auto industry has is enormous health care insurance costs while their competitors in Japan have their costs subsidized by their government. I propose that an easy, logical solution to leveling the playing field would be for the USA government to subsidize the health insurance of auto workers and amortize the cost by a sales tax on ALL cars, domestic and foreign.
You will be doing our country an enormous favor if you get congress to do this because our auto industry is enormously important to our military security. Losing our factories is not so bad. We can replace them in a year or two if we last that long in a major war. But there is no possible way to replace a million engineers and machinists in a year or two.
Sincerely, Charles Weber

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Greetings all,

Are you finally ready for real change, instead of smoke and mirrors promises that can't be kept because money, politics, and religion always come first? Tired of watching the multitudes struggle and suffer, while awaiting deceptive solutions from an illusory political shell game?

Wisdom dictates that we let results speak for themselves, hence the instruction to "know them by their fruits" (the end-results of deeds). Now look at this sad, sordid, and chaotic excuse for a civilization, created by money, religion, and politics, and tell me again that these three "strong delusions" are good for anyone, except those in power. Look around at monetary, political, and religious leaders to see how many are little more than snakes in fancy clothing, constantly writhing to avoid truth and justice. Consequently, humanity has long suffered from the horrendous side effects of a long-term lack of wisdom, imposed by millennia of greedy and deceptive leaders and their flimflam deceptions.

Here is Wisdom...

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...the more they stay the same.

The return of the Clintons means nothing will change except the window dressing. The store is still selling an evil system that benefits top management and screws everyone else, easing the pain just enough so the slaves won't revolt and kill their masters.

Nature is attempting to show us that the patriarchal system needs to fail precisely because it is inherently evil but we keep trying to prop it up with infusions of blood money transfused from the already starving bodies of the poor and the pocketbooks of the middleclass true believers in the system that is making a killing of them.

The karma is coming around and nothing can stop it, not even a smooth talking front man who promises change that is no change at all.

The real question is: is this the result of ignorant, arrogant bumbling burglars or a deep conspiracy by evil elites? Either way, our only salvation will come not by politics but by individuals who one party at a time will tap into the pre-patriarchal love culture who is the Lover herself.

Patriarchy is nothing but lies and we are seeing the result now in the crumbling of an evil sexist, moneyist and power addicted culture of anti-love.

The Red Brown and Blue Party supports The Love Government which delivers real change to real people, not just talk about change by deluded frausters.

Join the party and feel what a real government is like. At redbrownandblueparty blogstream and at lovegovernment blogstream. You might have to swim upstream but at least you won't be swept downstream and over the falls by smooth talkers and oily snake charmers.

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We all know about the Golden Parachutes. However.
they should. for the present executives, be
known as DIAMOND PARACHUTES. They appear to get them when it is unreasonable.

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First, elect candidates other than the duopoly of the Democrats and Republicans. Have not you had enough of the lies, misrepresentations, and fraud which those two parties have and are promoting?

For example: Most everyone who voted for Mr. Obama believed his bull shit about "change you can believe in." He is appointing the Clinton II administration-lobbyist hacks and the same people who set up the economic fiasco we are living under today. In short, he was and is a shill of the ruling elite of the banksters and Wall Street. You know this now, but it is too late. We have been had by your foolishness.


Second, tax the rich until there are no more rich. I mean tax their property at a rate that will take 90 percent of their wealth.

They have stolen the money, mostly. So just take it back.

After that then we can spend the money on efficient socially productive programs like education, and health care, and roads, and public transit, and alternative energy.

We don't need the rich. They aren't very creative, only greedy, with an over blown sense of self importance.

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Then sell the companies to the workers. Those who want to opt in could have 5 percent taken out of their pay each week until they own the business free and clear. They could take turns being CEO for a month. No one gets paid more than $100,000 a year and only $5000 bonus in the month each is CEO. They couldn't possibly do a worse job than those running the companies NOW.

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Do you want anything from Obama other than his beautiful smile? Read this-Spare Change or No Change at All (Let a Smile Be Your Umbrella)
By Steve Conn



President Obama smiles and offers change, but not prosecution of people who set up America’s torture program. Yes, change, but just a kiss and hug for that old rascal Lieberman who nearly was Vice President back in 2000 and who campaigned with Palin and McCain. Yes, change, like Hillary Clinton, whose husband, Bill, now sells himself like Elvis on the world market, a President transformed into a vacuum cleaner for sucking up foreign money. Well, he had to find a new job. Habitat for Humanity already had a former President. If Clinton was our first Black president, Obama could end up as the First Black Clinton. His big donors and bundlers are already getting big jobs. What else is new?
“Change”? I’m using my mutual fund reports as fire starters to keep my house in Point Roberts warm instead of reading them. That Eisenhower poster would have done fine as a fire starter, but it’s gone. All that’s different is the smiler. We’re all waiting for spare change from the next Agent of Change, listening to the rationalizations about why change has to be dependent on a thousand other variables out of the Change Man’s control before he gives us whatever is left.


Want your Spare Change? Demand it now, before the inauguration Get a single payer health care program by demanding it as a component of every single corporate bailout by the political donation whores who say they want to help you, for you and yours and for the auto worker with his family, and even the auto executive and his even though he really is happy with what he will keep, whether the bail out happens or not. Tie single payer to every tax dollar siphoned away. Subsidize the corporations and the rest of us in one big plan. Include the employees of health insurance companies when they lose their jobs. Let’s catch up with the rest of the world and make our companies competitive. How radical is that? If spare change is left as an after thought, believe me, if will remain an afterthought. Obama’s radiant smile won’t get your family though your wife’s next stroke.
The French said it first- “The more things change, the more things remain the same”.
I don’t speak French, but, even in English, it rings true. Go for Space Change or get none at all.

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Do we need three automakers? Would we be better served by two who actually build the vehicles Americans want to buy, merging GM with Chrysler perhaps? ( Look at sales of Japanese and Korean vehicles. Can we make those and sell them at similar prices? )

Do we need Medicair/Medicaid? If we can have a form of universals health care that does not care about age, everyone has coverage and the present costs of Medicair become part of the money to pay for universal care.

Demand prescription price negotiations The drug companies wrote the last Medicare bill and made sure that they could dictate prices. The VA gets to negotiate for lower cost medication while the taxpayer must pay whatever drug companies want for Medicair. This must be reversed and we must be allowed to buy drugs from other countries where the cost for the same meds are less.

I am sure you can think of more ways to save. Join me in doing so at Joe the Voter

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These Fat-Cat Thieves should have their wages frozen,refund all bonuses,and submit resignations. Their's is a life of sucking the lifeblood (money) out of our pockets while doing next to nothing to get it and laughing at the condition they force us to live in. I know they are going to whine" We have to struggle every day with the laws that keep us from getting away with it. That's why Harvard costs so much. We must keep the masses blinded!".

We told those diots in DC not to bail these fools out but they did it anyway. By a 'Democrat' majority!!! We got sold out again!! We better be very vigillant in 'bringing change to Washington' or we'll still be in the same going no where sinking ship,espcially if the 'we' isn't all the People. It won't take long to find out.

If they start 'walking the walk and talking the talk', we better be ready with the tar and feathers because all we've really changed was critter parts at 1600 Penn. Ave.

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We need to start at BELOW the TOP.

And Prosecute The Politicians.

People Like George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Tony Blair.

These people need to be arrested and interrogated.

We need to find out everything they know.

These guys are just puppets

But they know the names, addresses of all the REAL ARSEHOLES at the Top of The Pyramid

Its a Top Down Approach

It's Easier to Start at The Top - Because There are Only a Small Number of People involved - only a Few thousand Families

All with Immense Wealth - Almost Beyond Belief - But Still HUMAN BEINGS

You see I simply do not believe the logic that they are an Alien Life Form

Sure they are sub-human - but I reckon they are still human

And if we find out after interrogation that they Really Are Extra-Terestials - and They Have Been Fucking With Humans - What Do We Do With Their Half Human Kids?

These People Aren't Very Nice

In fact they aren't nice at all

But their half human kids might be half O.K.

Personally I think the CEO's are mostly O.K. - just obsessed with working their butts off until they die with an absolutely enormous pile of money - they have no personal interest in.

Its just a number. Most of them do absolutely nothing with their money to even take any leisure time.

Most CEO's worth their salt work 24x7x365 just to keep their companies alive, pay their employees wages - and their supplier's costs...

The CEO's are not the Problem

Its The Fucking W/BANKERS

Tony

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And most of Europe.

I'm not saying it doesn't go on

But It is COMPLETELY ILLEGAL - and Any UK Politician Who Recieves Bribes To Influence a Political Decision - is Subject To PROSECUTION
And An Extremely LONG Jail Sentenance

Unless He Names Names and Gives All The Details He Knows About All The Corruption He Knows About

I don't know if it is true - but I have heard that Tony has been leaking

Tony

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Like if you are white, old and fat like me and you are travelling through London late at night and these punks see you...

You are white, old and fat and maybe have a bit of money on you...

Well I do that All the time

And have for many years

I have never,ever been mugged or threatened in any way

Sure some of the punks of various colours might have looked rather threatening

But none of them has ever given me a hard time - despite all the programming I have received in the media to try and make out that these people are evil

No, Its not these people who are EVIL

Its the People In The Government - and The People Controlling The Government Who Are The

EVIL

FUCKERS

And

YOU ARE GOING ON TRIAL FOR WAR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

Most People are O.K.

But The EVIL FUCKERS Are Going Down

And I Couldn't Give a FUCK How Rich You Are

The LAW WILL Be ENFORCED

I Am a FREE MAN

And My Children Will Stay That Way

THE EVIL WILL BE PROSECUTED

And You will Spend The Rest Of Your Lives in JAIL

Death Is TOO Good For You

Tony

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He used to come down my local

And I used to know an IT Bloke a job who moved into anti-terrorism

And When 7/7 happenned a lot of people knew that the EXACT same thing had been Planned as An EXERCISE at the EXACT Same Locations

Do You Think The BRITISH are FUCKING Stupid?

When it happenned The Birds Heard it and Went MAD

Right Outside My House - 12 Miles Away.

I didn't hear a thing but was scared Shitless until I heard my Wife was O.K.

We travelled across London a couple of days later to check first hand that all Londoners had completely IGNORED it and Carried on As Usual

Londoners Will Not Be TERORRISED BY YOU ARSEHOLES

In Fact You Are About To Be Arrested.

We Know Who You Are and Have Massive Evidence Against You.

YOU WILL BE PROSECUTED

Tony

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Within 2 Years of being elected

She virtually closed down The North of England

Including some potentially Enormously PROFITABLE High Tech Companies that were Really STATE of THE ART - and FAR More Advanced than the AMERICANS

And so when we had all lost our jobs

I went To STONEHENGE FREE Festival with my new Girlfriend who I met a few weeks before I was Fired

And we borrowed her sister's tent

And they let us in for Free

I had been working at a High Tech Company in Manchester - and we were doing stuff - well ahead of the World Game

And all the people at Stonehegnge were completely lovely

And Hawkwind Played

And we Could Go Up To The Stones at Stonehege - and Actually Touch Them

We NEVER Damaged Them in The Slightest

And so we did the sme in 1982 and 1984

And Then in 1985

Maggie was feeling Triumphant cos - she had not only kicked the Argies off the Falklands but she had also sent her storm troops to beat up all the miners ..and

So them there was the Battle of the Beanfield - and I had been down to my local police station to show them the ordnance survey maps - and how we were going to retake the stones

And they told me to

FUCK OFF

You are Just a Long Haired Hippy

However

She has been our Best Prime Minister since Winston Churchill

She said to all the people who owned Council Houses...

You can buy them at close to half market value..

And the HOME IS YOURS

It Worked Incredibly Well - Most of The Time

It was a REAl MOMENT OF empowerment

aND SURE

I did get on my bike and move and find myself a better job - EVENTUALLY

And Naomi Kline's view of Thatcher Re The Falklands War is BOLLOCKS

No Us English Really Wanted To Kick The Argentine's Off Our Fucking Islands - Even If We Had Never Heard Of Them Before

We Have Been Reasonably Well Behaved

We Gave Up Most Of The World Without a Fight - Including India

We are however about to TAKE CONTROL - of Our Colonialists Who W Don't Approve Of

The Aussies and Canadians Have Nothing To Worry About

But AMERICA

You have not been behaving Yourself

You have allowed Th FASCISTS To Take Control

In ENGLAND We LAUNCH

SPITFIRES

Against

FASCISM AND NAZISM

Not Acceptable

You Have To Be Nice To Your Fellow Man - No Matter How Rich Or Poor He Is

Capitalism LIVES

Because it Works

And no one has come up with a better system yet - but one will evolve

THERE IS NO WAY I AM HAVING A RICH IDIOT CONTROLLING MY LIFE

Tony

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We don't want to control anyone - we want all Nations to Live in PEACE Independently

Us British Haven't Got Massive Armies Trying To Kill People

We have Just Got a Small VERY Effective Army

Which is Far Better Than Any TERRORIST GROUP IN THE WORLD - INCLUDING THE CIA & MOSSAD

WE DON'T TAKE ANY SHIT

So America just has to lose its nuclear weapons and convert all the energy contained within these weapons of mass destruction to provide ENERGY To the AMERICAN People to Rebuild Their Lives and The American Nation

Such that Americans Can Again FREELY compete with the Rest Of The World In Order How To Make The PLANET a Better Place For ALL LIFE To Sustainably Exist

And YES - US Human Beings NEED to Decrease in Number Gradually Over The Next Few Generations

And THAT Solution Can and Will Be Achieved

Without WAR, POVERTY and STARVATION

The Problem Has Already Been Solved

But We in The UK Have To Formally ARREST Tony Blair.

And AMERICA Has to Formally ARREST DICK CHENEY.

If We Are Going To Make PROGRESS

Sure Barack Obama is like a CHILD

And He smokes Too Much

But I Reckon His Wife Michelle Will ENSURE His WORD Is Good

Hey - We've Got Absolute NO ONE in THE UK Anywhere CLOSE To OBAMA

It Doesn't Mean We Haven't Got QUALITY

It's Just That The QUALITY doesn't get publicised

Who Want's To Be The Front Man Of The Band?

Some Cunt Thinks Just Because He is Singing - He Makes All The Policies.

Tony

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I think they are now called FeedingAmerica

And it is not true that ALL our relations have escaped from America and now are working in Universities in Europe

Just most of them

I mean it seemed to them like they were Jews escaping from NAZI GERMANY in 1937

Handle it

Or Change It

We Don't Need another War in Europe

Thank You Very Much

Tony

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Being Diluted to Fuck - And Not Even Getting a Bite at the Cherry...

Just Shows What Stupid Cunts in The City of LONDON get from sending their ANAL ISTS on Chartism Courses - Call It Technical Analysis

There is Nothing Technical About it

And so far as the Anaysis is Concerned

Give Me a Fucking Break

So You Want a bit - and get 14% in Return?

Well - I tool my Entire Family through the Airports in the Middle East

We went Posh when I was feeling rich

And My 18 Year Old Son's 15 Year Old Girfriend Came With Us

She thought she was going to a hot Country and Dressed Appropriately

Totally BLEW DUBAI Away

And No One Complained

They Were Just Looking At Her

And it Got So Silly That She Had to Try and Hide

Not a Problem in The Maldives

She was Really BRAVE and went diving with ME.

Her Boyfriend and Sister were doing the Advanced Stuff

Our Kids Are Like FISH

Tony

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Anyone who thinks fixing kindergarten will solve the foreclosure crisis immediately *belongs* in kindergarten. See these two pages; re-write "your" thesis; *then* get back to us:

RESPONSE TO ICH — THE PROBLEM IS NOT DEBT!
http://perfecteconomy.com/notdebt.html

IF I WERE PRESIDENT — How to arrest monetary failure in a day:
http://perfecteconomy.com/pg-if-i-were-president.html

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Is that they didn't discover The World when before or after they went to Harvard...

By going on trips paid for by Daddy - going to Mykonos and London and Paris

English kids and their Mums and Dads collect jumble and do charitable things to raise money

So that our Kids can go to America when they are 12

They've already done Europe by that age

And then the kids work their butts off to do South America / And / Or Most of the Rest of the World Before They are 18

So Lets Face It - Americans Know Absolutely Nothing About The World They Are Trying To Control - Because They don't Educate Their Kids By Encouraging Them To Explore The World Whilst Teenagers - Completely Freely as Equals With No Guns, Threats or Money Whatsoever

European Teenage Kids Work Their Way Around The World By Serving People

Tony

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But in Reality The Lead Singer in Iron Maiden - I Forget His Name - Bruce Dickenson? I Think

Is also an Airline Pilot (he worked his arse off bringing stranded English Tourists home - when the Company we had booked with went bust)

I was rather annoyed when XL went bust

It Nearly Fucked Up Our Nudist Holiday in The Greek Islands

So we went with - what the fuck are they called - some Greek airline I think and a few emails

And I can confirm That Mykonos has people who picked us up from the airport and took us to the hotel and then the port and picked us up from the port and took us to another hotel and then to the airport for our final departure

Purely on trust via emails

We said we would be there - and they picked us up

And there was no charge whatsover

The people of Mykonos took us from and to the points of entrance to their Island completely for FREE

And all the hotels were completely lovely - some right on the nudist beach

Tony

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It Looks like The People of Afghanistan have come witha Mixture of Afghani Black (Concentrated Cannabis) Mixed with a Pure Form Of Opium

Such that My Brother a Former Soldier (In The Royal Army Medical Corps) Can Die With Pride and Passion

Tony

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To ensure my kids have had a normal education with normal kids and explored rather a lot of the World.

I reckon the entire thing about life is working your arse off and eventually meeting a heart of gold - and REALLY TRYING to Make Babies and Doing It In The Deepest Way - Such That You MAXIMISE The Chance of Pregnancy

And When They Pop Out - Just Try Your Best To Be a Nice Mum and Dad - and Lead By Example

aND mY kIDS sEE mE

i AM A dRUNKEN oLD fART wHO sMOKES

cOMPLETELY pUTS tHEM oFF aLCOHOL AND tOBACCO

aND MY wIFE - Their Mum - IS AN oBVIOUS mANIC dEPRESSIVE

And Our Kids Reckon Compared To Their Parents It Should Be Relatively Easy To Stay Sane By Working Hard and Keeping Off The Alcohol and Smoke And Doing Something USEFUL

We are taking Our Daughter To India Next Month

Tony

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The POOREST PEOPLE OF INDIA

When You Get Invited Deep Within Their CULTURE

Will Make You Feel Your Existence As a Human Being On This Earth Has Been Worthwhile

THE POOREST PEOPLE JUST HAVE SO MUCH LOVE

Such that they don't want ANYTHING From You

But You Want To Give Them Everything You Have

But They Are Happier Than You - And You Really Don't Cant Want To Corrupt Their Happiness

All They Want is To Make You Feel and Know That They Are The Happiest People In The World

And Just To Leave Them Living The Same Lives They Have Done For Generations

Don't Touch

Pure GOLD

Tony

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The current health care system has been completely corrupted by greed, with the help of insurance companies. The school system, likewise, has become a haven for do-nothing parasites called admininstrators, the equivalent of CEOs, raking in the big bucks while teachers struggle with huge classes and children learn little more than how to line up. All schools should be put on a voucher system, and the ones that aren't performing, shut down immediately. Class sizes should be reduced to reasonable levels, and bad teachers fired, regardless of seniority. Pouring more money into corrupt systems is not the answer. How about encouraging people to create their own jobs rather than work for someone else? If the health care industry and insurance companies and banks weren't holding us all hostage, there would be a lot more of us doing just that. Any time you've got more people working for the government than people supporting it in the name of job creation,you have a system that will collapse. This should be obvious to even a high school graduate of our horrible public school system.

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a laugh. People really do believe that our government is bought. I certainly do. How can the legislative branch be trusted to break with the money that brought them? Without an absolute break with campaign finance as currently practiced, it will be business as usual.

Consider this. You may be familiar with Senator Inhofe. He is the one that has repeatedly claimed that global warming is a hoax. There is a good reason for this. His challenger, Rice, polled as high as 51% during the course of the campaign. Rice raised 2.5 million. Inhofe raised 4.5 million.

Inhofe was asked about why he had taken the 4.5 million from the oil companies. He said that the was afraid that he had not raised enough. How interesting. He all but admited he was bought. Now to the real point.

We have no choice. We must buy back our own legislative branch. If Obama can't achieve that he is dead meat.

He actually must do this before he "bails out the economy" or the bailout will be hopelessly infected with the Inhofe disease.

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Ok, we're all getting screwed over and over again.

Congress has apparently decided that since the American consumer isn't spending it's money on keeping their rich friends rich, then Congress is gonna take our tax money and give it to said rich friends.

Let's crash the party.
Let's crash the system.

Do Not Buy Anything Anymore.

Except what we need to eat and shelter.

Keep Our Money, No Matter What.

No matter how much financial "stimulus" Congress gives these already rich thieves, or even how much money Congress gives to We, The People, ( as if that'll happen ),
if we all just make due with what we have... do not buy anything.
Then, no matter how much money Congress throws at these greedy companies and exec's, they won't be getting squat more from us.
When it all comes crashing down, as it will, and the rich are on their knees because the economy is collapsed and their millions aren't worth a shit anymore, Then we can begin to rebuild our economy the right way, keeping in mind what got us to this point to begin with.

But, If we start spending again, allowing Congress to then stop putting our tax money into these greedy corporate thieves hands to keep them propped up till we begin spending our money again, then we'll just start the whole cycle all over again. Just the way it has been.
Neither Congress, nor the rich, really want to change a thing. When this economy is humming, they are getting all the richer, at our expense and at the expense of our Health and Happiness.
They do not want a equal system.
We will have to force it on them.

Want to institute a change that We CAN Believe In ?
Then Do Not Spend A Dime More Than You Need To For Essentials.

We really need to let them know who is the boss. And when we have their undivided attention, we will tell them that we want our Health Care, Our Schools, Our Environment, Our People, to come first, and not just for now, but ALWAYS.

Or, if we all want, we can tell them that they are FIRED for not keeping their promises or for protecting We the People.

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The question posed by the title is how do we prevent the fat cats from benefiting from this present crisis, BOYCOTT.
It is our money, the money we spend which drives the machines which allow the fat cats to become fatter.
Search the web for the fattest CEO cats and boycott the products their corporations makes and sell.
Exxon / Mobile or Monsanto, shame on you for buying their products especially their gas.
Chose wisely when you dig deep to spend your money, do not support those corporations which have demonstrated their disgust for we the people.
Punish the investors who profit from the illegal trade of these corporate entities before these monsters buy up their competitors.
Do you bank with the big boys? Shame on you.
Like food buy local and buy fresh even if it costs more your money will stay local and fresh. The jobs which will support our economy are local jobs not corporate ones.
Boycott the fat cats. Bigger is not better it is only more profitable for the fat cats. May they choke on their hairballs.
Boycott, boycott, boycott.

Patrick McGean

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We already have a huge problem with slow foreclosures. Here is why. Picture a small condominium with thirty apartments. Now picture ten people who purchased their condo apartments within the last 18 months and have very little invested. Those ten not only stop paying their mortgages but also stop paying condo maintenance and assessment bills. That leaves the other 20 owners with the debts of the first ten mentioned and causes the good payers to fold for lack of money.
Meanwhile the banks fail to actually foreclose leaving the ten people still living in the condos for free. The banks reason that it costs a lot of money to foreclose and if they wait a year or two the condos will go back up in value. That leaves the other owners paying for the deadbeats for years.
Some condos already have greater than 50% of the owners failing to pay any bills at all. In essence they are thrown into an economic death spiral by slow foreclosures of non paying owners. In the end all owners will lose their condos in said buildings regardless of whether they even have a mortgage to pay. The maintenance is way to stiff for one or two owners to carry the load.

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