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End of the Road: Is the Auto Industry Dead?

By Mark Brenner and Jane Slaughter, Labor Notes. Posted November 19, 2008.


With U.S. car makers billions of dollars in the red, jobs vanishing and factories closing, the industry's problems may be insurmountable.

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Editor's note: As politicians in Washington debate the future of the U.S. auto industry, we are reposting this article from the September 2006 issue of Labor Notes. It spells out the how the Big 3 got into the mess they are in today, and what the UAW -- together with the rest of the labor movement -- needs to do to get us out.

In the 1980s Chevrolet proclaimed itself the "Heartbeat of America." Today many would say that the American auto industry qualifies for life support. Last November, General Motors (owner of the Chevy brand) announced that it was cutting 25,000 jobs and closing up to 12 factories by 2008.

The news came one month after auto parts giant Delphi declared bankruptcy, promising to shutter at least a dozen plants and cut as many as 24,000 jobs in three years time. Ford completed the grim hat trick in January, revealing a plan to cut 30,000 jobs by 2012.

Just months before, GM and Ford had convinced Solidarity House, headquarters of the once-mighty United Auto Workers, to make $1 billion in concessions to help pay for retired auto workers' health benefits. Detroit is abuzz over the additional give-backs the Big Three auto makers (GM, Ford, and DaimlerChrysler) are likely to wrest from the union in next year's contract talks, and the rank-and-file hear no tough talk -- let alone action -- from their leaders.

On the face of it, the industry's problems seem almost insurmountable. Collectively, U.S. car makers are billions of dollars in the red and foreign competitors continue to gobble up the Big Three's market share. America's auto giants boost their bottom line only by selling gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs, and cars would be moving off the lots even slower were it not for thousands of dollars in incentives used to sweeten each sale.

In the face of these pressures, it's no surprise that analysts from the Motor City to Wall Street are convinced that this is the end of an era in the auto industry. There is no alternative, these experts lament. Today's auto workers will have to make do with less or kiss their jobs goodbye.

For over a century the auto industry has been an anchor for the U.S. economy and a trendsetter for corporate America. What does the current upheaval mean for workers? Announcing the company's bankruptcy, Delphi's CEO Steve Miller signaled what was at stake: "I want you to view what is happening at Delphi as a flash point, a test case, for all the economic and social trends that are on a collision course in our country and around the globe."

The auto industry paid out a living wage for millions of working-class people. Is Detroit about to call an end to that life?

What's Good for GM ...

Times weren't always so tough in the Motor City. On the heels of World War II America's auto manufacturers were the undisputed titans of industry. Although UAW President Walter Reuther began his tenure with visions of government-provided pensions and health care for all Americans, that drive was blunted when the union achieved, at the bargaining table, a private welfare state for its members at the Big Three.

In addition to private insurance and 30-years-and-out retirement benefits, they also received "supplemental unemployment benefits" to cushion the blow when the cyclical nature of the industry brought about layoffs -- a step toward Reuther's social democratic dream of a guaranteed annual wage. Besides their 3 percent annual raises to compensate for productivity improvements, auto workers also received cost-of-living increases, and, as the decades rolled on, tuition and legal services were added as well.

Unions in steel and rubber followed suit with similar contracts and, to a lesser extent, other blue-collar workers such as miners, telephone workers, truckers, and electrical workers all attempted to follow the UAW's lead. The pattern of steady wage increases together with health and retirement benefits stretched well beyond heavily unionized industries, setting a higher standard for all the nation's employers, union and non-union alike.

Gold-Plated Sweatshops

The ratcheting productivity that allowed for these benefits was good for the bottom line but it meant that the factories continued to be, in Reuther's words, "gold-plated sweatshops." The foundry and the assembly line remained an inhuman way to make a living. The common pattern was for workers to sign on, thinking to stay just a few years, but to be seduced by the benefits -- and then say to themselves "it's only 30 years."

The mind-numbing drudgery, the high injury rates, the heat and smoke and oil in the air led many workers to hit the bottle -- and, in one famous case, led black Detroit Chrysler worker James Johnson to pick up a gun and shoot two supervisors and a co-worker. A jury, after a plant tour, found that brutal working conditions and Chrysler's shop-floor racism had literally driven Johnson insane.

Removed from the daily grind of factory life, however, UAW officials became far more attuned to the gold-plating in the shops than to the sweat. They sought gains they could measure in dollars, and Reuther's belief in the benefits of technology and productivity kept him from protesting either automation or speedup. Officials came to see themselves as partners with management, truly convinced that "what's good for GM is good for America," and for UAW members.


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The Big Three Need Restructuring ... And so does the US ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 19, 2008 1:30 AM   
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Of course we need Medicare for All aka Single Payer.

The fact that the UAW and The Big Three have not brought this up shows that they need to be restructured because Medicare for All is their only hope. In fact Medicare for All would help just about all manufacturing because even non union shops have to offer something. Medicare for All would help to make America competitive again. The rest of the G7 ALL have some form of single payer that enables them to undercut our manufacturing, all of our manufacturing.

No matter the bailout, hundreds of thousands of jobs are going away anyway due to the lack of demand by consumers. With jobs going away and homes losing value, sales and property taxes will fall dramatically causing school districts, city, county and states coffers to run dry causing even more layoffs. With Medicare for All these short falls can be mitigated and millions of jobs saved.

Both the Big Three Management and the UAW should be excluded from any bailout. Bring in the SEIU or the Teamsters and new management.

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The End of Capitalism?
Posted by: writerman on Nov 19, 2008 3:10 AM   
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Whilst one can disquise the transfer of wealth to the financial elite/aristocracy, and frame it as a temporary measure, a loan. Once one starts sudsidizing vast tracts of the 'real economy' where does it stop? Who is next? What about the construction industry or chemicals?

Saving the Big Three would undermine the most sacred dogma at the heart of 'free market' or privately owned capitalism, that it's a self-regulating system where the 'best' prosper at the expense of the 'worst' for the benefit of all. Take that away, or begin to question it, and not much is left of 'free market' ideology. The state effectively becomes a partner quite openly and obviously in market processes and decissions.

Clearly, in a democracy, if the people, who finance and ligitimize the state through the democratic system, are paying to subsidize the free market, then reasonably and in fairness they should also control what they pay for, or buy, according to market theory, and more importantly share in the profits, because they have all become investors throuh the medium of the state. All this is obvious, though in practice it's an explosive divice under the entire system.

If the taxpayer is going to invest directly in the free market then they must share in what they own, the wealth and the profits created, and in the decission-making processes. This means direct economic democracy, a direct challenge to private control and ownership of the economy. The de facto end of private capitalism, and the sharing of wealth and power among those who now own the economy, after all we are being asked to pay for it.

On the other side, denying the taxpayer influence over what they, collectively, now ownn, is comparable to taxation without representation, and could, once the above realizations become widespread, have similar consequences. Which is why saving and paying for US industry is very problematic and potentially dangerous for the entire free market and private capitalist model. Better to let the Big Tree and the city of Detroit go down, than risk that.

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» RE: The End of Capitalism? Posted by: Montag451
» RE: The End of Capitalism? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: The End of Capitalism? Posted by: Quannah
The New American Dream . . .
Posted by: kegbot1 on Nov 19, 2008 3:40 AM   
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Is living on our knees.

Hell, why SHOULD GM execs give a shit about single payer national health care? What's in it for them? They're set for life. If GM goes down the top dogs probably have more than enough socked away for the rest of their lives.

Free market ideology = a world in chains. Lovely. And no, Obama won't do squat about it. They own him too.

I had such high hopes for this country once. This morning it's my 46th birthday and I have to say I wish now I had been born somewhere else (Scandinavia) because we haven't even seen 'bad' yet. This is still the overture.

Greed kills. And in the next year or so we're going to see the bill to be paid for overweening American executive greed of the Reagan-Bush era (and Clinton too).

We can't consider ourselves a going economic concern if we live in a nation in which we sell each other insurance and hamburgers.

Again yesterday, I told my son once he graduates university to get the hell out of this country if he can. By then they'll be nothing left here for him except the ruins of what once was the envy of the planet.

There are hundreds if not thousands of well heeled people in Washington DC who should be in labor camps at Leavenworth but instead are counting the money in their offshore accounts and chuckling about how they put over the biggest con in the history of mankind on the American people.

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» RE: kegbot1! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: kegbot1! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: kegbot1! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: kegbot1! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: kegbot1! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: kegbot1! Posted by: maxpayne
The auto industry must die
Posted by: Bobsays on Nov 19, 2008 3:44 AM   
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We have reached that point: it is like the big changes in the 80s, we need to move to a different economy: an environmetally sustainable 2.0 digital economy, and the auto industry has shown time and time again it is not on the same page.

Don't support auto unions, they are dinosaurs. Don't bail them out: let the industry face its fate.

The US needs a public transport revolution.

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» RE: The auto industry must die Posted by: chrysalis124812
» "Pimp" my Prius! Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: "Pimp" my Prius! Posted by: Spot
» RE: "Pimp" my Prius! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: "Pimp" my Prius! Posted by: maxpayne
GM is finally paying....
Posted by: xvictor on Nov 19, 2008 4:13 AM   
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Just after WWII, Los Angeles public transportation was served with the finest trolley system in the nation, if not the world. GM somehow bought up the entire setup and mothballed it, to be replaced with polluting GM buses. Now GM will feel what it's like to be itself mothballed.

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Buggy Whips
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Nov 19, 2008 5:16 AM   
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Somehow this topic puts me in mind of the buggy-whip industry at the start of the 20th century. Surely there were people in that industry urging their Senators and Congressmen to save that important industry.

If the government is at all tempted to save the gas-guzzler industry that our big three represent, they should completely take over these companies and re-make them into new companies that perform a socially and ecologically responsible role.

The new companies might build electric cars but they might build trolley-cars or they might be put to work building efficient interstate rail or perhaps building the electrical grid and wind turbines that we need.

The main point is that we need them not to build gas guzzlers as they are so accustomed to doing. However, if public funds are directed to these companies then the government needs to take control of them and make sure that they become socially useful enterprises.

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Anyone notice Suzuki's aggressive push into the US?
Posted by: Jasonix on Nov 19, 2008 5:19 AM   
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I was wondering why I was seeing aggressive advertising from a relatively niche car maker, Suzuki, in recent months. It seemed like a terrible time for the company to be trying to push into the US market (although I have to admit that their SX4 Sport is a cute, nimble auto with a great price tag). Now it all makes sense. The Japanese car makers are circling like vultures. The nerve of the foreign manufacturers - actually making fuel-efficient cars of decent quality that people might want to buy! They're screwing up our whole business model.

If Detroit fails, the Japanese and Korean manufacturers aren't just going to pick up their share of the new sales going forward, either. When parts become unavailable for the Cobalts and Focuses, people are going to have buy new cars, sometimes years earlier than they originally planned to. That's going to be quite a hit for the already strapped American consumer.

That is, if we're all still driving cars in a few years. The plunge in oil prices brought about the market collapse is an illusion; I've seen graphs showing that oil depletion is going to accelerate dramatically and frighteningly in the next couple of years. And the state of the market means that it won't be profitable for companies to go exploring for more, either.

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» Suzuki is GM Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
Big Auto ain't dyin' ! And here comes another "bailout" !!
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 19, 2008 5:57 AM   
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And with those oil prices being kept artificially "low", it ain't gonna happen ! We're just gonna finish slopping up the oil and being a bunch of harebrains laugh, sneering, and persecuting those who try to stop Big Auto from getting away with its crimes because Main Street is fighting against itself ONCE AGAIN and letting Wall $treet laugh its way to the bank until their ribs fall apart !

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Bailouts?
Posted by: Cybershaman on Nov 19, 2008 6:40 AM   
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Notice how the CEO's, top management, and shareholders get to continue their decadent lifestyles while the middle class gets to continue bleeding jobs? The vicious circle continues.

The working class is broke. No one is consuming. The economy collapses. Let's help those who need it the least. Yea, for idiocy!

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Let em fall I say
Posted by: skoog5600 on Nov 19, 2008 7:08 AM   
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It's time for the big three to go down, and down hard!. No bailout for these fat cats.

I am sorry that folks will lose their jobs, but the auto and oil industry screwed the US in so many ways beginning withe the buying up and destroying all forms of mass transit back in the mid 20th century. In addition, they had a chance and came up with some great electric cars during the turn of the 21st century only to turn around and destroy the 30,000 or so of them that were on the road in California.

They squandered their chances and deserve the fate that is in store.

Can you hear it? Shhhh listen, glub glub glub.

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» RE: Let em fall I say Posted by: Dboy
at last
Posted by: solrev on Nov 19, 2008 7:23 AM   
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"With health care becoming less and less attainable for more and more working people, the fight for national single-payer health care has the potential to galvanize a new workers' movement. Rekindling such a movement may be the only way to ensure that the UAW founders' legacy doesn't evaporate before our eyes."

Unfortunately Obama supports employer provided health insurance. Welcome to the revolution of 2012. Taxation without representation leads to the final solution revolution.

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Nov 19, 2008 7:27 AM   
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Let them strangle on their own greed.
They have ripped off the public by wiping out mass transit years ago. Let them retool on a WW2 footing to rebuild mass transit. This will be great for the country and the workers.What a great opportunity once in a lifetime!!!!!!!

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Myth busting
Posted by: PaulK on Nov 19, 2008 7:44 AM   
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"Health care" is expensive and crooked sickness care. If you get cancer the insurance company will weasel out of coverage. It's nice that the UAW pursues "health care" but other countries have real health care.

All wages are tied to the health of the company. Unions should share profits with the owners right up front, because they're always sharing the losses, aren't they?

Chrysler isn't necessarily an "American" company. After the U.S. bailed out Chrysler it was bought by Germans. They ruined the Chrysler image by putting the unpopular German "Dr. Z" as their branding image in America. This meant something to WWII vets.

Toyota and Honda aren't necessarily un-American companies. They build in the U.S. Sometimes they are good corporate citizens who don't believe in planned obsolescence and congressional campaign contributions, as opposed to GM.

World industry is full of crooked countries giving all sorts of hard-to-see subsidies to local car industries. NAFTA and its successors are a pile of manure. Form a private, absolutely independent set of arbitrators to set worldwide tariffs on any product, as well as ecological tariffs against the global warming countries. We already have private groups certifying that a product is organic, or kosher, or safe (UL), or ecologically sustainable (LEED), or a good buy (Consumer Reports).

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No one's talking about this reason...
Posted by: BCcovers on Nov 19, 2008 8:04 AM   
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The cold hard facts of the matter is that a Union GM employee's average wage is $73 per hour. For Honda and Toyota operations in the US, they use non-union US labor and only average $43 per hour. Now, tell me, which company do you think will be more competitive? The UAW as it currently exists aided in GM's downfall; if US automakers are to be saved, it is clear that these unions cannot continue operating as is.

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» $73.00 includes all benefits. Posted by: garry minor
SUSTAINING UNREALISTIC PROFITS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 19, 2008 8:13 AM   
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That's how we've survived the last 30+ years. The auto industry along with all others, many of which have been shipped overseas can survive. We need our old sense of balance. We became a nation of corporations and individuals who had more of everything than we needed and most of it wasn't paid for. We are still buried in old inventory. Nobody wants it. So most of what we did over the years was going to be paid for at a future date Including the great retirement plans, deferred compensation. Cash became quaint. I'm not suggesting an austere lifestyle, but I think the weekend "shop 'til you drop" trips to the mall are history. Especially since they do not contibute very much to our own economy. We support China. And right now, we have too many of our own people here in the U.S. living in poverty while we support another country that also thrives on a poor population. It's not a time to teach the auto industry 'a lesson'. We are the ones who get burned. A blank check is out of the question. Obama's push for labor unions is a good start. But along with that we have to realize that when we make our own 'stuff' it will probably cost more than the crap we get from China. It will however be higher quality and last longer. We can fire all the crooks on Wall St. but we share a
responsibility. We can't continue to flock to places like Walmart and wonder why we have so many poor people that the soup kitchens can't keep up with it. The big guys on Wall st. screw the general public but then we follow the pattern and screw each other. That may sound like moralizing and maybe it is, but it's also economically sound thinking. Thanks, ANNA

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It's all about Money
Posted by: mtnprivy on Nov 19, 2008 8:27 AM   
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Since the union has been willing to continue the "sweatshop" just to get the gold for it's members (and itself), then it is clear that they do not look at quality of life.
Neither does the "GDP" crowd, or many others that we can think of. Many of the industries of "development" have reached a point of providing more liability than benefit. We have not learned to quantify the liability, but we better soon.
Look at the air and water quality, the rate of cancer, and the quality of our family life, and you can see what the real results of our development are. Oh, and don't forget to look at the landfill!
The Brainiac bank is full of people with hightech solutions to each problem, just like always. Again they will refuse to imagine the new problems that their "solutions" will create.
If we all spent more time at home looking after our own affairs, eating right, and learning the difference between a need and a want, then we would turn it all around.
I think that automakers should position themselves to manufacture things like wind turbines. Also, the workers need to get used to the idea of other sources of labor, such as agriculture, forestry, etc. They gotta get used to the idea, as we all do, of living with less money. If we have less, we do less damage to the environment, and that is the most important thing of all.

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Is the auto industry dead? Far from it!
Posted by: 6399 on Nov 19, 2008 8:42 AM   
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With good little cheerleaders like Obama, Frank, Dodd & Pelosi, the auto industry will receive nothing short of $100 billion. I GUARANTEE IT!

Hell, they might even get Lieberman on board as he was probably allowed to keep his chair in exchange for backing this turkey. Naah, he'll just stab them in the back-again and Democrats will blow him for it.

I hope one thing is finally starting to sink in with you people: the democrats, including their fearless leader, are crooks who will bankrupt this country without giving it a second thought. They are NO DIFFERENT than the Republicans. They are scoundrels of the highest order, but yeah, they're doing what's right by the taxpayers.

Deficits don't matter, right Barack? CNBC recently reported that the government has already dispersed $4.3 trillion. That's right - almost a third of our GDP is in the hands of corporate cronies. Raise your hand if you think we'll get that back?

Does anyone here honestly believe that the Little Three won't be back, hat in hand, at least two more times? Who doesn't think this sets a terribly dangerous slippery slope precedent for further corporate welfare/begging? Does anyone think the Little Three will be competetive with the Japanese or Germans who continue to build superior vehicles?

So why not let them die? Because someone's pockets are getting lined, that's why!

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GM's CEO Doesn't Believe in Global Warming
Posted by: Shankari46 on Nov 19, 2008 8:54 AM   
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Here's a guy who doesn't believe in global warming, stubbornly manufactures gas guzzling clap traps from century old technology, and he wants the American tax payer to bail him out. We probably will bail him out, and it will be like the Wall Street bail out which was a big scam, they take the money and make more gas guzzling crap that nobody will buy, then what? Can anyone see how ridiculous this is becoming? We are slipping into a depression. Manufacturing jobs are gone thanks to Reagan-Bush era, and people literally cannot buy anything. In the depression we actually made things. We don't now. In the depression, people had property, they don't now. My grandmother said they survived by growing their food. What are our landless folks going to do now? They are having their houses taken from them and then when they move into an apartment, those greedy monsters raise the rent because so many need a rental. This depression will raze all of our indulgences into the ground beginning with gas guzzling vehicles, next it will be beef, and then the military empire baloney. It will all be gone.

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» Depression Posted by: Dboy
"redistributing wealth from the successful to the failed an implausible formula for prosperity."
Posted by: Social liberal on Nov 19, 2008 9:33 AM   
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George F. Wills article "Detroit, Failure's a Done Deal" says it all about what to do with the bailout of Detroit

..the answer? Do nothing that will delay bankrupt companies from filing for bankruptcy protection, so that improvident labor contracts can be unraveled, allowing the companies to try to devise plausible business models. Instead, advocates of a "rescue" propose extending to Detroit the government's business model for the nation -- redistributing wealth from the successful to the failed, an implausible formula for prosperity............

....After being restructured through bankruptcy, the Detroit Two, or One, might flourish. Let's find out. The ruinous alternative is to squander, in a doomed attempt to "save jobs," more scores of billions of dollars of scarce capital that will then be unavailable for job-creating investments in rising industries.

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Randy
Posted by: U.S.citizen on Nov 19, 2008 9:58 AM   
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The major problem may be the need to install everything needed for new cars in the same factories. It is difficult for them to rework the existing factories for new assembly lines with up to 100 percent of the need for the new on line tools and replacing what they have. Toyota built
new factories in the U.S. without need to modify anything because there is nothing there in the factories to modify.

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The Heartbeat Is Faint
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Nov 19, 2008 10:01 AM   
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"....It's the only way to live-in cars." Gary Numan.
Yes, it's accurate to say that the auto industry was a barometer on the country's affluency pulse. Car ownership was a measure to see who was making it, i.e., "keeping up with the Joneses", so to speak.
Today we know the Big Three are stuck in neutral, cars aren't selling in hard times; they'rre sitting on cargo containers at ports; they've gambled on SUV and pickup sales to boost profits and that backfired.
The UAW is shrinking; and now Ford, GM and Chrysler have gone to Washington to ask for money to stave off bankruptcy or to bail them out.
It looks like the end; the heartbeat is faint. There are no clever catch slogans out created by an ad agency to save America's lifeless auto industry. Chevrolet's "Revolution" never made it down the interstate.
There's blame on both side by the government and by the automakers. Government took plenty of kickbacks from Detroit to make wasteful gas-guzzling vehicles while passing some SUV models as "cars." There are millions of these elephantine Suburbans and Durangos and giant Dodge Ram Hemi pickups out clogging the roads.
The Big Three's problems were too many models, not enough parts for the outdated models like the new Pontiac GTO and the Chevy HHR, whatever that was; and mistakenly gave in to consumer passion. So we went out and bought these gas guzzling trucks in record numbers. Why do we think the BMW 3-series is still going strong after 20-plus years? They are precision cars and the German giant didn't make so many models as GM did. GM, Ford and Chrysler tried to make a car as comparable to the 3-series, but they never came close.
Faced with millions of lost jobs the government is leery of bailing them out. The nation had its chance of pulling the plug for good on Chrysler in the late 70s but the Carter administration gave them the money. And they still make crappy and ugly cars. Consumer Reports can attest to that.
President-elect Obama said the current administration needs to move on something-fast. The population says enough is enough.
Can we save the auto industry without the auto union making more concessions? I think we can.
In order to do so, The Big Three need to quit making wasteful SUVs and pickups and make fuel-efficient and precise handling cars. That's what's needed today.

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whats up
Posted by: xmvince on Nov 19, 2008 10:11 AM   
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this will open up brand new auto markets. Cars will be the new fad in America when we finally develop the best and standardize alternative fuels. It's really not that hard to make something efficient that doesn't use non-renewable fuels and sell it and make billions of dollars. I don't know much about it so I can't, but some of the companies out there have already developed energy efficient cars. if these major companies want to stay in the game then they gotta pay for some serious research and development of new alternative fuel powered vehicles.

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Very good article and very good recommendation
Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Nov 19, 2008 10:42 AM   
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Single-payer health care should be the first item on everyone's agenda. It will make it cheaper for employers to hire people, easier for unions and others to negotiate reduced work hours and thereby reduce the pressure on politicians to create or preserve jobs in the military-industrial complex. Without the required overhead of employment-based health care, employers would be less reluctant to agree to reduced work hours.

Single-payer health care would reduce our dependence upon on "jobs" that would be better undone. There would be less need to be concerned about consumers reducing their spending on manufactured goods they would be better off without.

After single-payer health care the emphasis should be on rebuilding the safety net so that people wouldn't be left hungry or homeless or be unable to educate their children by fluctuations in the business cycle.

The government should not be in the business of rescuing industries in order to preserve jobs, especially jobs making personal automobiles. The manufacturing stock used for making automobiles should be retooled for the production of redesigned, fuel-efficient mass transit.

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Nice piece and accurate
Posted by: Von on Nov 19, 2008 11:21 AM   
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If these folks get this $25 Billion "bail-out" or loan,,however it is going to be..will they create jobs?

Sure, GM can create jobs, but what types of jobs will they be. As the author above mentioned, the wave now in UAW contracts is bringing people in at allot less pay, allot less benefits and allot more forced overtime when needed. This is exactly what GM Corporate demands AND it is exactly what the UAW helped to deliver.

I work at GM and am a union member. I se firsthand how these new-hirees are making 50% less pay than traditional union workers, they have no benefits until later down the road. These new-hirees are helping to finance what the traditional wage earners receive.

The new 2-Teir hirees have been lied to and dinked around with for over a year now at the assembly plant I work at. Allot of these new hirees quit their jobs thay had and hired in at GM. They were told to vote YES on the new contract that passed last year and it ended up with them shooting themselves in the foot; half the wage & no benefits.

New hirees were told they would move into the traditioal wage earners positions once these traditional wage earners toof their buyouts and left GM and retired. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.

Many $28 and above GM union workers took the buyout but the new hirees are STILL making half the wages and STILL no benefits.

IF GM gets their share of a $25 Billion bail out...they WILL utilize this new low wage / no benefit program because it is a National Agreement. I believe $14 an hout with a family of 4 is within poverty wages.....all under the name of Global Competition.

Ya know what I heard around the GM plant I work at after the lower wage / no benefit contact was passed by union representatives?? "This is a contract we all can be proud of". I heard it directly from union people and i saw it in the flyers the union handed out. A contract to be PROUD OF??? ha. Its more like bring in new hirees at low wages and no benefits to act as a cushion to help GM Corporate and secure the traditional wage earner's level of security.

So when GM Corporate and the UAW together proclaim they will create jobs in America...do realize the types of jobs they will create. Like I said..the new hirees that came on board have been manipulated and lied to by the UAW representatives.

When GM first brought in people off the streets, they started at about $18 an hour. No benefits. They were called "temps". On top of the $18 they receives COLA (cost of living) whicj brought their hourly pay to about 21 or 22 an hour. Then they were told to vote YES on the new contract and they would be hired as ful time and get the same benefits thattraditional workers were/are anjoying. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN as evidenced in the new 2 TEIR contract.They were suckered in. Many left their jobs the had in hopes of obtaining a decent GM job only to be F'd over in the end.

This past January all the temp workers were laid off after making 22 an hour / no benefits. Well guess what? This past June the temps were called back to work. They were not brought back on the 21 /22 an hour. No..they were brought in on the new contract at 14 an hour. They were making more as non union temps.

It gets better.

Remember when they were brought in as temps and they were NOT actually GM employees nor actual union members. The UAW took it upon themselves to take out money from their paychecks to pay Union Dues. hahaha

The temps were NOT union members but the UAW took out Union Dues anyway.

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Buy them out!
Posted by: Montag451 on Nov 19, 2008 11:50 AM   
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Chapter 11 would quickly become Chapter 7 for these companies and thus result in massive job losses.

We are talking about tens of thousands of jobs and even more in related industries... In some communities the auto industry supports 6 jobs for every 1 direct job.

In Canada Harper is giving $75B to our banks for mortgages that are supposedly sound and profitable! So what is $25B to buy up 3 poorly run mismanaged dinosaurs that actually affect at least 1 in 10 jobs in Ontario alone?

I doubt very highly that Canada can survive a 10% drop in Ontario's work force without any significant impact. I would argue the same is true of America; if Michigan and Ohio continued their economic slide.

But I agree we shouldn't bail the Big3 out or loan them any money. We should buy them out; all three of them. It would cost less than $25B and we then get our merger and acquisition companies to merge them, renegotiate contracts, trim the fat etc.

We also give them a huge order for electric and hybrid vehicles. A very large order is all that is needed to retool and redesign their factories to build the required vehicles.

Thus we could stave off the industry collapse, preserve the jobs and tax revenue. Once they are profitable again, after downsizing, merging and becoming efficient we sell them off at a huge profit.

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GM OPENS THIRD PLANT IN RUSSIA !!!
Posted by: countingdaisies on Nov 19, 2008 12:14 PM   
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Excuse the caps and please go to the link and forward this info to anyone who has anything at all to do with the proposed auto bailout.
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What are the alternatives?
Posted by: foius on Nov 19, 2008 12:22 PM   
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Although this article clearly lists the results of a unionized auto industry, in terms of escalating labor costs for the auto companies, the article doesn't balance the effects of labor costs, with how the competition (Japan, Korea, Germany) and their respective governments subsidize their auto companies so that they can be competitive in the US auto market. So, now that the Big 3 have come to the Federal Govt. asking for loans to help them restructure their companies capitalization so that they can be competitive there is a growing swell of opposition to these requests. Why? What makes Americans think that our Govt. cannot help our auto industry so that they can be competitive with the foreign auto companies? Is this an indicative trend towards the manipulation of the American worker/consumer by the predatory capitalists on Wall Street? Can't we see that the age of "pure" oligopolistic capitalism is a thing of the past. Without Govt. help, our major manufacturing industries are working from a major liability position verses foreign companies in those industries who have their governments assistance (financial, regulatory, political) whenever they need it. Can we not do the same? Unless, and until, we realize that our economy will not be able to rebound unless we utilize all of the resources available from the individual to the corporate entity, then we are fighting and losing an uphill battle against co-operative economic nationalized powers. Is this the way we want to exist in the global economy? I hope not.

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Thought Experiment
Posted by: Crazy H on Nov 19, 2008 12:26 PM   
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Gotta lotta folks suggesting it's the union's fault for wanting to get paid in proportion to their contribution. Yesterday, some went so far as to suggest that the CEO's gross overcompensation had nothing to do with the problems.

Put on your thinking caps, kiddies:

Suppose we laid off all of the big three's employees who make more than $250,000 a year. Do the cars keep rolling out?

AND THEN...

Suppose we laid off all of the big three's employees who make less than $250,000 a year. Do the cars keep rolling out?

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halrivers
Posted by: halrivers on Nov 19, 2008 1:08 PM   
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As a 31-year Chrysler veteran and retiree, I have long admired Jane Slaughter and her associates at Labor Notes. They have been inspirations to a generation of rank-and-file activists yearning to return the trade union movement to a fully democratic and progressive force.
I remember the Chrysler Chrysis of 1979 and how it served as a template for breaking union contracts and imposing labor-management collaboration. I believe, however, that Felix Rohatyn, of the Financial Committee on Chrylser's board, had already created the mould among unions in New York City before.
Slaughter has the most sophisticated class anallysis in the country. It's sad that this is so new to the corrent cohort of progressive intellectuals. Here's my class-based doggerel from 1979:

An economic system's in dissaray and fast decline,
and Chrysler Corporation has the sickest bottom line,
but that doesn't say
that Chrysler can't pay,
when you calculate the kickbacks.
While the bankers, executives, lawyers and ad agents
get interest, rents, bribes, and dividend payments,
it's "crack that whip,"
and "here's your pink slip"
for Joe and Sally Six-pack.
For more, see www.autoplant.info

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Is the auto industry dead?
Posted by: mom'z the word on Nov 19, 2008 1:25 PM   
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God I hope so. What about all the lost jobs? Re-train and re-tool workers and plants to make green cars. There are a million and one great ideas on how to manufacture green transportation. Not one penny goes into trying to breathe life into a dinosaur. It's over. Let it go.

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This is very simple.
Posted by: Quannah on Nov 19, 2008 1:27 PM   
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This is a plan by the Republics to nail the final stake in the heart of the Labor Unions!

Make no mistake! THAT is what the Republics want. And they aren't even trying to hide it. Just listen to them in the hearings on Capitol Hill. Which is why they are pushing for bankruptcy. If they were to file for re-organization under the bankruptcy laws, they would get rid of the retirement/benefit debt to current/future retirees. Republics and the top management at the Big Three would be perfectly happy to dump it onto the already WAY OVERBURDENED Public Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC), which would mean the TAX-PAYERS WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR THE RETIREMENT PAYMENTS OF ALL PAST AUTOWORKERS!

So...

We can fix the problem now. Or, we can pay even more later by allowing the Republics to force the Auto Industry into bankruptcy!

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don't shoot
Posted by: Elmowilcox on Nov 19, 2008 1:57 PM   
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An absolutely heartless point that our great healthcare abilities have caused....old people don't die anymore, we just continue to get older and older, with more and more medical bills to be paid even though that person is no longer contributing to profitmaking. It's not like just cutting them off would solve the problems on its own..but it certainly isn't a small problem either. It's sad, and heartless to point out, but very true, no? I wouldn't begin to say that they aren't due their retirement benefits, but people used to just die at some point. With all the medical advances in the world, people(at least in developed countries) just continue to live well beyond our natural expiration dates and charge it all to a system that they aren't contributing to any longer.

Now someone throw a rock at me, I didn't like saying it either.

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Quality quality quality
Posted by: Elmowilcox on Nov 19, 2008 4:00 PM   
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This is the downfall of the American auto industry.

I've owned 3 Fords, and ridden in a 100 more. Every single one of them has a console that is broken the same way. The rubber/plastic cover comes off and the latch fails...100% of the time. Throw in knobs that fall off and various other items that shouldn't fail, well, ever...and you have a perfect market for "outsiders" to take over.

I relate: All of the above stated issues occurred on my 1995 Ford Ranger. When it died I traded "down" to a 1991 Mazda B2200, oddly enough a part of the same company. Everything worked and held together to 265,000 miles.

Honestly Big 3, if you can't make a lightswitch knob that can stay attached or a console that has to perform the amazing technological function of both opening on demand and...whoa look out now...staying shut, what does that say about your quality standards? You deserve to go down, I made Lego cars that had better structural integrity than yours when I was 5.

Of course quality has increased as of late, but the prices skyrocketed to the "prohibitively expensive" catagory accordingly didn't they? Hint, the average Merkin needs a decent vehicle at an affordable price that lasts, not a freaking truck with lampskin seats and mother of pearl cigarette lighters. From one extreme to the other people.

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The sky is falling--
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 19, 2008 6:37 PM   
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Or not.

These companies want you to believe that if they don't get what they want, they're going t shut all their doors and go home, throwing a million people out of work all at the same time.

That simply isn't true. There would certainly be layoffs, but there would be a structured bankruptcy, probably negotiations with creditors to preserve the ability to function, and they would limp along until they figured out how to do profitable business.

We probably need to give them a loan, but that money should have chains on it and be doled out by extremely irritable accountants with sharp pencils and sharper teeth.

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skinny cat
Posted by: skinny cat on Nov 19, 2008 7:34 PM   
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I didn’t know Labor Notes was still around. They do good work.

Montag451 has a decent idea.

But I would rather see all the union pension funds get together, buy GM out and turn it into a nonprofit employee owned company. I would much rather my pension fund invest in a nonprofit UAW car company than in the stock market, or vampire banks. Any Canadian pension funds want to buy-in? It really wouldn’t be a nonprofit company until it had paid back the pension funds. If they sold off the overseas operations, the payback shouldn’t take too long. Boeing was a better company when it was run by pilots. The car companies would be better off run by mechanical engineers.

Even if they end up in bankruptcy, the Detroit companies can’t continue to compete against the unfair competition Congress has subjected them to for 60 years. The Japanese yen has been undervalued since the end of World War II. The refusal of Congress to impose countervailing tariffs to neutralize that unfair advantage cost the US its electronics industry, which was mostly TVs and radios at the time.

When Congress let the transplant screwdriver factories come in, it refused to require the transplants to pay the same wages and benefits as the American companies. Purposefully giving the foreign companies an unfair advantage all the while throwing a bunch of BS about the glories of free trade. Congress apparently has a settled design to destroy the UAW. Why else would it force the American companies to compete against lower wages and benefits.

I guess the auto execs and the UAW deserve the shellacking they got from Congress. Anyone who believes in domestic manufacturing and fair competition should give the Congress a shellacking. It bears a lot of responsibility for the plight of the Detroit companies and the autoworkers.

I’m serious about the pension funds buying out a car company or two. If you’re in the union, talk to your business rep and pension fund trustees. If you’re not in the Union get after your politicians to impose countervailing tariffs or what ever it takes to level the playing field.

The model T Ford got 28 MPG. We don’t have to go back to canvas tops and crank starters to get safe, reliable plug-in cars. At $40,000 a copy the Chevy volt is too darned expensive.

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I currently live in Michigan... and I can tell you...
Posted by: OjibwayAngel on Nov 19, 2008 8:58 PM   
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...for the most part it feels pretty dead here. Michigan is a beautiful place with the Great Lakes and water. Thank you for ruining Michigan economy dear auto industry. Southeastern Michigan, Detroit, Flint, Saginaw and Bay City are sad and wounded places because of the auto industry. Have you watched Roger and Me by Michael Moore? If not you should. I know way too many sad and horrific stories about the auto industry. These execs don't care about anything but having the over sized mansions in the suburbs, over sized SUVS and contributing to nothing but their pockets. I am tired of the auto industry. Around here we are not saying the Big 3 anymore but the little 3.

I am tired of this bail out the banks, bail out the auto industry executives but what about the people? What about bailing out all of us?

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madregal
Posted by: madregal on Nov 19, 2008 9:14 PM   
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Do we need even more workers loosing their jobs? It was not the workers who got the industry into this mess. It was management's refusal to produce vehicles that the consumers want. Sooo,

Let's put to rest this idea of letting the auto industry collapse. We need this and all of the related industries dependent on it. The industry needs to shift away from building gas guzzling dinosars and come up with alternatives to the internal combustion engine.

Public transportation systems should also be an
alternative to the auto, but it is all but impossible for America to do away with the auto given the way we live today. So, the answer is not to do away with modern life, but do away with the way we travel through it.

Not one person out there really wants to go back to the 19th century. How many of us would be willing to give their auto and adapt to a different mode of transportation? Easy to talk the change, not so easy to walk the change. So, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Now, do whatever it takes to make sure that if we do have to bailout the auto giants that the present management is stripped of their golden parachutes and fired. And if it were left up to me, they all would serve time for criminal
mismanagement

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THE FIRST DEPRESSION OF THE 2ND HALF OF THE 20TH CENTURY WAS IN 1958.
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 19, 2008 9:19 PM   
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Eisenhower was president. The right wing thought then like they do now. So they let Packard, Studebaker, Hudson, and really Nash never came back. If they had been saved would we now have Toyota, Honda, or any of the other imports built here. Maybe yes. Maybe no.

What did the Germans do in 1958? They only had two solvent car companies, Mercedes, and V-W. They had several small companies that they let go down. Lloyd disappeared. Borgward disappeared. You may know it as its Japanese copy, Subaru. Auto Union-DKW-Audi was bankrupt. BMW was bankrupt.

BMW was making expensive V-8s that nobody could afford. The German government had a long talk with the German bankers. The bankers responded with an offer that BMW just couldn't turn down. If you will build an inexpensive 4 cylinder, we will extend your loan. This was the origin of the BMW 2002. It was a real sucess.

Now to Auto Union-DKW-Audi. They were producing under the DKW name and were bankrupt. The German Federal government approached Mercedes Benz. They said something like "I'll bet you guys were planing to do business in Germany next year". The answer was something like "Yes we were". The answer they got was that if they intended to continue in business they would take in Auto Union and fix it. They did and they did.

The Audi Fox engine was designed in the truck division of Mercedes Benz. It was the successful engine in the VW Rabbit. Yes, Mercedes unloaded it on V-W. Now we come to the point. The Germans protected and revived their car business.

There is a limit to how long we can protect Detroit from themselves. At some point they must do it themselves. For 30 years General Motors has run NUMMI. It builds Toyotas and GM products in the same plant. For 30 years they still haven't figured that reliability is the driving the market.

BORROWING FROM THE RUSSIANS; 'FISH ROT FROM THE HEAD DOWN'.

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It's the Recession, or Maybe Depression, Stupid
Posted by: 1rufus1 on Nov 20, 2008 12:45 AM   
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Nobody's buying many cars right now from any car maker. Too many people are job scared, unemployed, underpaid, broke, and saving for the coming greater economic calamities. Even if Congress bails out the Big 3 the $25 billion question that remains is: Will there be enough consumers out there who will be willing or able to buy American made cars? Loans are scarce, wages are stagnant, and who can really say that they will be job secure for the next four or five years during the car loan. Americans are holding back right now out of necessity. Even Japanese car manufacturers are feeling the pinch and their vehicles, for the most part, are fuel efficient, reliable, and less expensive. So if Congress gives money to Ford, GM, and Dodge to retool and develop efficient vehicles it may just be prolonging the inevitable. The rest of the economy will have to be stabilized and show some growth before any significant number of consumers will come off the hip to buy new cars. I don't see this happening any time soon and it may be years down the road as a matter of fact. Manufacturing is an essential part of any economy. It helps employ unskilled labor, skilled labor, and highly educated people alike. I hate to see high paying jobs lost, unions crushed, and communities left in shambles. But until we revive a consumer base capable of sustaining the auto industry, I am afraid the bailout will only prolong the inevitable bankruptcy that is to come.

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"Jobs On The Line" (the new) "WhaT Now Cartoon!"
Posted by: what0now0toons on Nov 20, 2008 12:28 PM   
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I draw a weekly left of political cartoon, What Now Toons and I've devoted this weeks cartoon to the Auto Industry bail out issue and I focused on the workers who's jobs are on the line right now. Yes the CEO's of the auto Industry have created the mess they are in, I don't give a damn about them, I care about the inocent victums here, the millions of jobs at stake here. I say give them the money, FROM the 700 billion, with strings, real Iron clad strings that would restructure these companies for the sake of national security, and save our ability to build our own vechicles. Enough of American Industry shipped overseas. I work in the animation Industry ( not lately though, bad year this year ) and I know first hand how outsourcing costs American jobs, I've seen mine and many others lives turned upside down by unfair competetititon by studios overseas that operate at a fraction of US costs, because of cheap labor, government subsidies and relaxed environmental laws. Yes I feel for all industries that have taken this unfair hit to our lively hoods, and I'm appalled that the banking industry gets 700 billion, yet we the pepole get bupkis. We cannot afford to turn millions more out on the streets without jobs, that is a massive lost tax income base that would only compound our nations problems. See the What Now Cartoon at my website, www.whatnowtoons.com

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When America OUTLAWED hemp and shut down Henry Ford's hemp-fiber auto,
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 21, 2008 1:42 PM   
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GOD gave America a slow but steady increase in PUNISHMENT in terms of poverty and health hazards ! Until America gets rid of the ban on Cannabis and allows its use to be applied to manufacturing for its 26000 industrial uses,

GOD WILL CONTINUE TO SEVERELY PUNISH AMERICA TO ETERNAL DAMNATION !!!!

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