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How Did We Ever Let This Guy Get Away with Being a War President?

By Gary Brecher, eXiled Online. Posted November 17, 2008.


Only a fool like Bush could pick an anti-American Arab country, add an invading army, and expect a nice fluffy democracy souffle.

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What George W. Bush loved best about his job was being a war president. Playing war, that is, as opposed to making war like a grown-up. Remember him strutting onto that carrier in his little flight jacket? You never saw Eisenhower, a real general, playing out his martial fantasies this way. You can take the drink out of the drunk, but you can't take the swagger out of a fool.

Compare Bush's eight years to Clinton's, and you see how much he loved to play the soldier. No one expected that from a Republican: Reagan and Bush senior were cautious about betting America's chips. Liberals used to make fun of Reagan for picking on tiny helpless nations that couldn't fight back. Now they are remembering with pure nostalgia Reagan's invasion of Grenada, air raids on Libya, and even our 1984 withdrawal from Beirut.

We'll never know how far W. would have gone to find himself a war because he had all he needed delivered by air on Sept. 11, 2001. Remember how people felt in those days? A friend of mine said, "It was like the aliens had invaded."

We needed our president to be a hero and made him into one, even though it was obvious he wasn't up to the job. He didn't take the first plane to Manhattan, stand there and say, "We're coming for you bastards!" Instead he sat in a roomful of children, reading My Pet Goat, then dropped off the radar for hours before his handlers got him ready.

Maybe there's a lesson here: if the president doesn't cut it in a crisis, we're better off admitting that to ourselves and telling him so instead of pretending he's a great leader. When you make a weakling into a hero, you give him a lot of power. If we'd kept our eyes open and faced the fact that Bush reacted badly to 9/11, we might have been able to ask for a little more detail about his big plans.

Those came courtesy of Cheney and his neocon punks. What a crew these guys were! Like their boss, they were also woofers, boasters -- but of a different variety. Dubya was your standard frat boy loudmouth, but Cheney, with his talk about "working the dark side," was more like the ultimate Dungeons and Dragons nerd. And you couldn't ask Hollywood to serve up a goofier selection of dorks than his neocon staffers, who drifted from the universities to D.C. the way has-been pop singers switch to country and western to leech off a new bunch of suckers.

On the one hand, they were scared to death of Arabs and hated all Muslims. On the other, they were convinced that every Muslim on the planet really wanted, deep in his heart, to be magically turned into an Ohio Republican. That was their theory: take an anti-American Arab country, add an invading army, and voila! a nice fluffy democracy souffle.

So we poured American blood and treasure into the Iraqi dust to prove the half-baked theories of a bunch of tenth-rate professors. The most expensive experiment in the history of the world, all to learn something any 10-year-old could have told them: people don't take to foreign troops on their streets, and not everybody wants to be like us. You know those Ig-Nobel awards they hand out to the dumbest science projects of the year? The Iraq invasion is the all-time winner. Retire the trophy with the names of the winning team: Bush, Cheney, Kristol, Wolfowitz, Feith.

But first came Afghanistan -- "the graveyard of empires." Every military-history wannabe was conjuring the ghosts of that Victorian British army slaughtered by the Afghans, along with all the propaganda we'd been pushing about the invincible mujahedeen who'd driven out the Soviets. Looking back, what they had routed was a dying Soviet state, and they didn't even manage to do that until we took the risk of giving them Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. But all the pundits' knees were shaking about going into the Afghan haunted house.

We started slow, the way American armies tend to do, taking a while to limber up. There were weeks of bombing the Shomali Plain to no visible effect and a Special Forces raid on Mullah Omar's compound that was more "Naked Gun" than "Top Gun." Then Mazar-i-Sharif in the north fell suddenly, and it turned into the kind of war that Northern Alliance fighters and fighter-bomber pilots both love: hunting down a fleeing enemy.

The campaign went so well, so fast, that it taught Bush and Cheney the wrong lessons. They started exporting democracy to Afghanistan, even hiring a local Pashtun girl to read the Kabul evening news. When you tell a big, backwards tribe like the Pashtun that you're going to turn their whole world upside down for them, you shouldn't expect them to be grateful. But we did, setting ourselves up for a whole lot of trouble later on.

Worse yet, Bush's people figured that since Afghanistan, the tough nut, cracked so easily, their pet project, a second Iraq invasion, would be a cakewalk. This time they would do it right, occupying the Iraqi cities instead of just crushing Saddam's army and withdrawing like Bush senior did.

Nobody wants to recall what Americans believed back then. That's OK: I'll remember it. People thought that Saddam was "connected to" 9/11, and his agents were going to poison our water, nuke our cities, and gas our subways. At least they claimed to believe all that unlikely James Bond stuff. I don't think they really did. There was just so much revenge momentum after 9/11 that it had to burst out somewhere. Everybody wanted payback. It's natural. But most of the time, in your average democracy, cooler heads are in charge. Not this time. Bush and his team were foaming at the mouth far more than the average citizen. It was like a crazed sheriff trying to talk a lukewarm mob into a lynching frenzy. With the help of people who should have known better -- I'm looking at you, Colin Powell -- he got his way.

That, in the short version, is why George W. Bush is about to leave office the most unpopular American president in history. You can spin Iraq a hundred different ways, but it still comes up bad news because once the dust settles, the Iranians are in control of the whole region, and they didn't have to fire a shot. We destroyed their old rival for them.

It's a simple story: we crushed Saddam's army, occupied the cities, and then acted like the whole country would turn itself into a neocon fantasyland. Paul Bremer's cult kids were talking tax reform while the Iraqi army they had sent home unemployed was busy digging up the weapons they had buried in their yards. Bush's counterinsurgency policy was pretending there was no insurgency then pretending it was just Saddam's "deadenders." When Saddam's capture at the end of 2003 didn't slow the insurgency, Bush's defenders stopped acting like they knew what was going on and just settled for blaming the Iranians -- as if it was a nasty surprise that Iran, the country that openly hates America most in the whole world, might get involved in anti-American operations when we occupied Iraq right next door.

People ask what our counterinsurgency strategy was before the surge. Easy: we had none. We were doing nothing but offering the insurgents moving targets. A standard operation for the occupation force in those dark days was patrolling through an alien Sunni neighborhood, waiting for an IED to go off under the lead vehicle or for an RPG or small-arms ambush. When that happens, conventional forces have a grim choice: do nothing, withdrawing while the locals snicker at your dead and wounded, or open fire on everyone in sight. Either way, the insurgents win. If you withdraw, they've hit you with impunity and gained respect in the neighborhood. If you open fire on the slums, you kill civilians and make enemies.

Effective counterinsurgency means not relying on massive firepower the way conventional forces are trained to do. The idea is not to fire until you know exactly who you're up against. It's the opposite of shock and awe. It's discipline and patience. Gen. David Petraeus implemented a set of reforms usually called the surge, though they were about tactics more than reinforcements. All he really did was initiate overdue standard counterinsurgency doctrine. He integrated U.S. units with Iraqi forces then sent them out into the neighborhoods. You can't run any kind of counterinsurgency plan without good street-level intelligence, but Bush's people wouldn't admit that there was an insurgency, so they wouldn't commit to learning about it. Their style was to ignore it and hope it would go away.

That's why Afghanistan went well in the early stages: we didn't go in trying to turn the Afghans into democrats, but trying to crush the Taliban and al-Qaeda. In Iraq, Bush was dreaming from the start, so the whole effort was doomed.

The surge worked about as well as any good counterinsurgency effort could. We know a little about the enemy now, and there's less violence because all the neighborhoods had already been ethnically cleansed. Baghdad is now a Shi'ite city. There are a few Sunni enclaves, but the Shia rule the city and the country, with the Kurds fortifying themselves up north and wishing they could saw their territory off and relocate it somewhere in mid-ocean.

That's what Bush's trillion-dollar investment in Iraq has bought. Meanwhile, if you look at the rest of the world map, you get a real shock. Regions like Latin America and Central Asia that eight years ago were American protectorates in all but name have turned against us while we were distracted with Iraq. Many times, the real winners are countries that manage to stay out of a war, the way England benefited by not getting sucked into the Thirty Years' War. Iran is much stronger now, and so is Russia. The Russians, who seemed to be in their "throes" when Clinton left office, just slapped down Georgia, one of our few remaining allies among the old Soviet states, and there wasn't a thing we could do but grumble.

It's no puzzle: we pretended a goon was a hero, let him play out his foolish fantasies about remaking the Middle East, and wasted our strength on a losing effort while the rest of the world drifted out of our power. Our leader was a laughingstock around globe, and he made America the butt of the world's contempt. But Bush got his wish -- he was a war president and then some. The rest of us were the casualties.

 

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Gary Brecher is the author of "The War Nerd"(Soft Skull, 2008). Read more of his work at eXiledOnline.com.

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It's All God's Fault!
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Nov 17, 2008 12:41 AM   
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The Bush presidency, and its legacy of warmongering, war crimes, torture, war profiteering, cronyism, corruption, incompetence, fiscal and environmental responsibility, nonstop lying, widespread violations of Americans' constitutional rights and the rest were only possible because of the rise of the Christian right in politics.

It was conservative Christian moral values that drove the agenda, and far-right Republicans who enthusiastically endorsed, enabled and funded it with the connivance of spineless Democrats, supine judges, servile media and a torpid public.

We have seen the values of the religious right on display for the past 8 years, and they are ugly, vicious, vile and uncivilized. It's fortunate that the majority of Americans have now turned away from this philosophy, but we must be on guard against its resurgence.

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» There is no god Posted by: socialpsych
» Amen Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: There is no god-Ha! Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: It's All God's Fault! Posted by: Rolomax
» It's All God's Fault? Posted by: harryf200
» RE: It's All God's Fault? Posted by: aonghus36
» LOL!!! Posted by: harryf200
» RE: It's All God's Fault! Posted by: dmb8762
» Saddam Husein died for our sins. Posted by: common intelligence
» RE: Bingo! Posted by: Cybershaman
An author with a blind spot big enough to ram an oil pipeline and some missing WMDs through!
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 17, 2008 12:44 AM   
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Fact: the neocon wet dream of militaristic regime change in the Middle East was only made possible because global financial interests supported it.

Their agenda was not ideological, but financial. Iraq was the world's last, biggest pool of cheap high-quality crude oil, and if U.S. military bases were emplaced there, they could help control access to Caspian oil as well. This desire was enhanced by the fact that Saddam had locked U.S. and British oil corporations out of the bidding, while bringing in China and Russia, and converting his entire stock of dollars to euros as well.

The entire agenda in Iraq since day one has been economic, not pro-democratic. The democracy line was just standard PR put out by foreign policy architects, and anyone who didn't just open their eyes yesterday should know it.

Whether or not the neocons were tools of the oil majors or vice versa, the bottom line is that they worked together. The oil majors and Wall Street would have worked with anyone, but they were quite willing to offer financial to support the neocon political agenda.

Politically, the neocons relied on the very ignorant right-wing fundamentalist base to provide votes, as well as on Rumsfeld and Cheney's specialty: the marketing of fear to the public in the form of an extensive (and illegal) domestic propaganda program.

The fear centered around the terrible arsenal of biological and nuclear weapons - the smoking gun could have been a mushroom cloud - we couldn't afford to wait for proof... because there never were any WMDs, and we would have been waiting forever.

This wasn't some well-intentioned effort to make democracy pastries, and only a dupe or a tool would even float the idea at this point. It was illegal, it was an abuse of the armed forces for financial gain, and it should have led to the impeachment of Bush and Cheney - but it didn't, because the press wouldn't cover it. They had plenty of time for semen-stained dresses in the Presidential love nest, but no time for the crime of the century... imagine that.

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» With out 9/11 Posted by: weathered
» Freedom of the Press Posted by: aonghus36
Is it any surprise that Iran wants a nuclear capability?
Posted by: outlook on Nov 17, 2008 1:09 AM   
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What would you do if you were them? They have witnessed Afghanistan. They have witnessed Iraq. Both in their back-yard. Wouldn't any oil-rich country, in these circumstances, want to protect themselves?

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» RE: Extremism... Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: xtremism... Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: Xtremism... Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: xtremism... Posted by: Quannah
» John Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: war as usual Posted by: Von
» war is money Posted by: chrisp.
America is always at war, 24/7
Posted by: Bobsays on Nov 17, 2008 1:44 AM   
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The country has never been at peace. If it wasn't fighting wars to expand itself on the North American continent, it was fighting wars to dominate the Americas. And then WWII: the opportunity to take war global.

The US is now the world's hegemon. The US has bases (over 750 known, maybe many more), all over the world. The US can apprehend anyone, somebody on the streets of London, and swiftly take them to a detention facility in central asia.

This reality will not end under Obama. In fact, Obama has a few fun things to do in his first 100 days that are going to make all the Facebook 'walls' go red with rage. On the plus side, all those angry young punks will be too busy watching the draft lottery on TV to harass the prez too much.

As Dick says, 'Good Times!'. Just as a catch-up, I've been so busy getting contract re-signs I have'nt been able to keep up on events. So much opportunity out there!

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Two more months
Posted by: reinaldok on Nov 17, 2008 1:50 AM   
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Please do not forget that the Bush-Cheney guys will be around for another two months. I still can't get it out of my mind that they will attempt something really stupid. We surely cannot trust them. I, for one, will feel a lot better and safer after January 20th.

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» RE: Two more months Posted by: vconcerned
» No worries - Obama will bomb Iran Posted by: DCostello2
wish THEY could experience the torture they have caused
Posted by: DEBKAMAINE on Nov 17, 2008 1:53 AM   
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It is absolutely amazing to me that Colin Powell gets so much positive attention. I do not understand the brouhaha when a man makes his life one of figuring out how to efficiently kill the most people. Add to it the fact that he joined MR. IDIOT, and the fact that he went to Haiti and took Aristeed from his office........can't understand it, never could understand it.

So, THE THRILL OF KILLING. I do not get it. I know, just from common sense, that NOBODY is able to kill another human being without being scarred FOR LIFE. Some did it because they were forced, (drafted soldiers, etc.) and then there is the Bush team. Cheney is just dying to kill, I believe. I have even wondered if he ever went over to Iraq and had it set up for him to shoot. Rumsfeld, Wolfawitz.....these folks have planned this for a long time...Wolfawitz was THE PLANNER and Rumsfeld, we all know about him. These folks all got high on killing and torture. I will never forget Rumsfeld asking what was wrong with making prisoners stand for 5 hours, he stands all day long (he had a desk made to allow him to stand.) I would seriously love to know how he felt aboutit, standing in his own cell.

Then there is RICE.......have you ever noticed her expression when she is with the soldiers? She looks euphoric...not kidding...she glows with happiness. Why does she get NO attention for HER deeds!??!!?

and then there is george.....george w. bush, who didn't play the contact sport of football, he CHEERLED. He didn't go to war, he guarded the Mexican border from the Communists...oh, sorry, he didn't do that, he didn't show up (see Dan Rather, what he is saying these days about a press that protected IDIOT from his honest reporting of events.)

Don't get me wrong, I do not like violence, contact sports, war, etc. If a person does not want to go, I am BEHIND HIM! BUT, to get your kicks out of sending other people and THEN to treat them so badly that they have to send home for protective gear, when YOU, YOURSELF didn't show up for your own duties.....welllllllllllll...

oh...a sidenote here.......see YouTube...G-8 conference......George Bush drinking beer, the female chancellor of Germany sitting with him at a table......he isn't sober....I can't imagine what drugs his White House doctor gave him....there will be many many stories once they leave the White House....

(do you remember how they came into the White House wanting trouble, saying that the Clinton's left all sorts of a mess......ABC reported this and a few days later retracted it, in a very small side comment)


That is only meant for one ending.........just one..............>

IMPRISONMENT FOR WAR CRIMES


(I would love to watch how they felt about torture THEN!)

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» Look in the mirror Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: Look in the mirror Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Look in the mirror Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: Look in the mirror Posted by: Quannah
Bush and Booze
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Nov 17, 2008 2:18 AM   
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Debkamaine, I have long suspected that Bush is actively drinking. Remember the famous pretzel attack? If any ordinary guy suddenly lost consciousness and fell to the floor, suffering minor injuries, he'd have a CT scan and cardiac stress test and EEG and a host of other tests in the hospital. It's the standard of care. So why, when this happened to the president, wasn't it done? I suspect he stumbled and fell while drunk and got a shiner, so they covered it up with a fanciful, but respectable, tale.

Bush's judgment has definitely been impaired, his attention span short, and his actions erratic. If he hasn't been drinking, he ought to say he has. It would at least give him an excuse.

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» RE: Bush and Booze Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Bush and Booze Posted by: Live Gently
» RE: Bush and Booze Posted by: Quannah
How Did He Get Away With It?
Posted by: jbpaz on Nov 17, 2008 2:51 AM   
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So far, the comments ignore how GWB did his mischief. His father silenced the mass media by drowning unruly journalists in bathtubs. GWB rigged two Presidential elections. The WTC disaster was a false flag event. Geared to secure Arab oil, the US invaded and occupied two countries.
After the public ignored the Patriot Act, he attacked the rule of law through directives and shoddy court rulings by his cronies. He used the FBI to dig up damaging information on his opponents to silence them as well.
He and his cronies robbed the public of their ability to question a dictator.

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» Thought Provoking Commentary Posted by: leTerrassier
» Interesting how... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Interesting how... Posted by: aonghus36
dynasties benefit from the suffering of others
Posted by: Suzon on Nov 17, 2008 3:11 AM   
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When you have seen or done terrible things in war, you--and those who love you-- need to justify your participation.

The US is like the child of notorious bullies who has grown into a monster amazing his parents. The Norman-English were not the only European monarchies aiming to plunder the rich resources of the New World, but they were the most successful at it. Our ties with the past never been decisively cut.

It was the English who brought African slaves to America, the English who slaughtered and impoverished the indigenous population. Bush is part and parcel of the centuries old monarchical system--all entitlement and raw power.

I enjoyed the article but don't quite agree with the cartoon character images. Bush didn't just play at being a war president, if you count the bodies, he was a very real one.

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The "Surge" was a failure...
Posted by: adp3d on Nov 17, 2008 3:52 AM   
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It is Orwellian/Neocon doublespeak to call it successful. Only three of eighteen benchmarks were met in the eighteen month long "three month operation". There was a "surge" in American deaths in the early months of the escalation. Neighborhood ethnic cleansing was all but completed before the escalation began. Paying Sunni insurgents not to shoot at Americans was about the smartest thing the US Army came up with.

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if i was!
Posted by: vconcerned on Nov 17, 2008 4:10 AM   
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reading this stuff and i was Iranian or Muslim i think i'd be joining every anti usa group.and as for wanting to build nukes,If i was Amadinnerjacket i would'nt sleep until i shed loads of em.God bless G W MABUS.

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Wake-up-9/11 was an inside job
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 17, 2008 4:46 AM   
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I find it so unbelievable that even well-informed journalists still think that Bush is just incompetent and that 9/11 was coincidental to allow Bush to attack Afghanistan and Iraq and establish a strong base for fascism in this country.
If you look at the people that Bush hired you will see that they have been waiting for the right moment to implement their plans which have been in place for at least 30 years. Bush appointed 32 Israeli dual citizens to his administration, mostly in foreign affairs and Middle Eastern affairs posts.
There has been a plan in place to militarily take over the oil in the Middle East for over 30 years.
As long as well respected supposedly alternative journalists continued to speak as if 9/11 was perpetrated by Arab terrorists, then nothing can change their plan for the continued establishment of fascism and globalization with one world government and one monetary system.
go to www.911insidejob.net

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RE: CLusterAble is a spammer
Posted by: Crazy H on Nov 17, 2008 3:22 PM   
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Ultimate-Anonymity - the world's biggest comment spammer.

I note that all of your posts are short, simple, bland and with nothing to add to the conversation ... but they always have that all-important link, don't they?

You don't even sign them all with the same name. Are you "Jess" or "Jeff"?

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» RE: CLusterAble is a spammer Posted by: Quannah
Simple, banning INDUSTRIAL HEMP for 70+ years and no attention to local/state elections !
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 17, 2008 5:48 AM   
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No, Bush knew what the sucker electorate wanted. Since our entire "economy" is tied to OIL which did not have to be the case had INDUSTRIAL HEMP been allowed to compete with crude oil in the supposedly "free" market, it's no coincidence that the corn-fed electorate will keep those wars for oil going. When you people out there are ready to explore the benefits of hempseed oil and other plant oils and go beyond corn ethanol, then we'll be able to weaken the pro-war forces. In addition, we need to pay more attention to local and statewide races and allow 3rd parties to make their points and cases rather than shut them out. As history has shown, despite the power of tv or internet, nothing much as changed although I do admit that had it not been for the internet, I would have been nowhere close to considering Nader.

P.S.: By the way, the next time some media anchor mentions youtube, try and find out if you're getting any video on your local/state legislating pols for a change. National pols matter alright but so too do local and state ones.

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» Just a thought question... Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: Just a thought question... Posted by: maxpayne
Who's "we?"
Posted by: chlamor on Nov 17, 2008 5:58 AM   
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Hey let's remember that the Dems are on board for all of this. Let's remember that the Clinton era made all of this possible and before that the legacy of the colonialists starting with Lord Curzon.

There is a historical fluidity here and the liberal tripe that this is somehow just "Bush's War" is a whitewash of the historical facts. On this point this article does a great disservice.

There is another unwarranted assumption at play which goes something like this:

Example:

Unwarranted assumption: Bush/FEMA really WANTED to deliver water, food and emergency supplies to the Katrina victims.

You perhaps make this assumption because (a) it was their official and moral duty to do so, and (b) any sane human being would have tried their best to do so. But none of this means that Bush and FEMA actually set out to do things you think they should have done. The assumption is unwarranted, because you are extrapolating from yourself, and the general population of sane human beings, to Bush and his cronies.

The exact same assumptions are made left and right about Iraq: that Bush, in his heart of hearts, wanted to bring US-style democracy and freedom to Iraq, only he failed. That Bush wanted to keep the price of oil down to ensure the continuation of the American Way of Life(tm), only he failed. The facts suggest the precise reverse: that the chaos, the bloodshed, the skyrocketing oil prices are not unfortunate side-effects of a botched (but well-intentioned) job, but rather, that they have always been the goal. Until this simple point is well understood, there will be no effective opposition to what this administration has done, and no holding them to account.

Another example: the FISA law debacle and Bush's fight for telecom immunity. It is mistaken to argue that hey, Mr President, you don't really need this to fight terrorism effectively, since the FISA law already gives you all you need to eavesdrop now and get it OK'ed later. As if he didn't know that! As if Bush really, honestly, was just doing his best to "fight terrorism" effectively.

See the real purpose behind what Bush is doing, and you will see that he and his people have in fact been amazingly competent. Almost eight years, and they nearly ALWAYS get what they want, most often with a little help from the Democratic party.

Getting exactly what you want every time all the time is NOT incompetence.

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What's this "we" stuff?
Posted by: PJAW on Nov 17, 2008 6:01 AM   
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If we'd kept our eyes open and faced the fact that Bush reacted badly to 9/11, we might have been able to ask for a little more detail about his big plans.

I never trusted the sumbitch from the moment I first saw him. Plenty of us didn't. Others kept their eyes willfully shut, hoping the next attack would miss them, or at least take them without their having to watch it coming.

The author can wallow in the "collective guilt" if he so chooses. I think the majority of AlterNet readers prefer to go about the business of cleaning this mess up rather than retroactively opposing a dead-in-the-water despot. Instead of rehashing history for the purpose of self-cleansing, the author ought to get fully behind impeachment.

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And let's not forget this comment from the latest liberal messiah
Posted by: chlamor on Nov 17, 2008 6:02 AM   
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"By the way, I would reach out to the first George Bush. You know, one of the things that I think George H.W. Bush doesn't get enough credit for was his foreign policy team and the way that he helped negotiate the end of the Cold War and prosecuted the Gulf War. That cost us 20 billion dollars. That's all it cost. It was extremely successful. I think there were a lot of very wise people. So I want a bipartisan team that can help to provide me good advice and counsel when I'm president of the United States."

- Barack Obama on LARRY KING LIVE: March 20, 2008

There it is.

Obama lauding the way GHW Bush "prosecuted" the Iraq War. Incredible huh? Not really.

"Iraqi army massed on the Saudi border" when "we?" had a treaty to protect the Saudis. Only, many years later, declassified satellite pics show nothing but endless miles of empty desert on the border. Saddam stopped in Kuwait and never for a minute threatened the Sauds.

In the war itself, the massed column of the defeated Iraqi army was retreating toward Bagdhad. "We?" bombed and napalmed the essentially undefended column to charred wreckage. 100-200 thousand died on that road, apparently.

After the war "we?" incited the Shiites to rebel, then looked the other way as Saddam ruthlessly reestablished "proceeded to victory" in the brief civil war.

If anyone doesn't like these examples, there are sufficient others to prosecute GHWB, if such things are ever done anymore.

Maybe Obama can keep Dick Cheney on board the bi-partisan team as Cheney was Sec. of Defense during those heady days of Desert Storm.

Oh wait and by the way Obama is praising a war criminal.

Can't wait to hear the rationalizations not that substance is of import here but hey it's post-election time in The Post-Partisan Empire kids, get on board the crazy train.

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» Yeah, you mean... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» You should take your own advice Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You should take your own advice Posted by: left_libertarian
November 17, 2008
Posted by: Von on Nov 17, 2008 6:47 AM   
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http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/

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First of All, We Didn't Elect Him
Posted by: Carol Burns on Nov 17, 2008 7:18 AM   
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We know there was election fraud in Florida in 2000, courtesy of Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris. We know there was election fraud in Ohio in 2004. These are only the instances we know about. Our votes to keep Bush out of office were stolen. Yes, I believe PNAC had an agenda long before Bush was "elected", and I believe 9/11 was an inside job. These people are EVIL, including McCain, who is up to his eyeballs in the conspiracy. This is why we MUST continue calling for impeachment and prosecution. I'd stay drunk, too, if I had the blood of thousands of Americans and millions of Iraqis and Afghans on my hands.

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Spoiled Children.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 17, 2008 7:28 AM   
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It is unfortunate, but this country deserves to be in the mess that we are in! The country believed the lies about "compassionate conservatism", "family values", ad nauseam! The religious right demonized President Clinton, and the petulant child came in on lies, deceit, and chicanery but no one wanted to see the truth. What would one expect from a spoiled little rich kid, that never successfully ran a company, but no on wanted to see that either. As governor of Texas - he was the worst: high teen pregnancy rate, high H.S. drop-out rates, high crime rate! And yet those wonderful "family values" people chose to reward him with the highest office in this country!

Sept. 11, 2001 - it is a day that will live in infamey, and the days since then have been a travesty! We've got an Executive that had other things to do when it was their time to serve! And yet these bullying thugs chose to not only not finish what they started in Afghanistan they diverted resources to Iraq! Without any planning or forethought for either war and the worst is that they considered that anyone that spoke out against them were traitors! How could anyone believe that these people's actions were not those of rich spoiled children, and they need to be held accountable and punished! A woman that worked for the FBI was outed, why - because her husband wrote a column in the newspaper calling the lie for the lie that it was!

For heavens sake, WAR is serious, and there needs to be a lot of deliberation and debate before we send other people's children to die! All of that was stifled by bullying thuggish immature children - whose sole motive was their own grandiose idea of how strong "they" could show the world they were! What nerve, what mendacity - of course with other peoples lives, bullies never change!

George W. came into office promising to be a uniter, he finally did we as a nation are united in getting this b--s--d out of 1600 Pennsylvania and sending the whole cabal packing!!!!

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It only took three weeks..,
Posted by: peacelf on Nov 17, 2008 7:54 AM   
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For Bush & co. to convince americans that Saddam was a serious threat. Americans bought it hook, line and sinker. That's because most americans lack the ability to think critically about most anything.

While it's easy to blame individual citizens for their lack of critical knowledge, we should never blame people for their ignorance, at least not in the U.S..

Because, our educational system thoroughly indoctrinates americans into respecting authority, it rewards apathy and complacency and domesticates what is naturally an active curiousity. In other words americans are taught to be uncritical.

Those of us who are critical thinkers are usually self-taught or were fortunate enough to have critical educators who taught us to question authority. This has been further exacerbated by mandatory high stakes state testing schemes for the past 12 years.

And, for the past eight years, the educational system has been under siege by Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, a nefarious dumbing down system that literally serves power by imposing limitations on what can be taught in the classroom. NCLB reduces thinking and knowledge to a few multiple choice answers on five standardized tests.

A whole generation of domesticated workers is the result. That's how Bush took us to war so easily.

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» Re: It only took three weeks.., Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: It only took three weeks.., Posted by: pelican beak
A psychologist writes about "the architects of fear"
Posted by: chalquist on Nov 17, 2008 8:10 AM   
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21235.htm

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We love war!
Posted by: sirios on Nov 17, 2008 8:35 AM   
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I have said this countless times on Alternet, AMERICANS ARE NOT AGAINST WAR,THEY ARE AGAINST LOSING! This is why we as a nation let people like bush get away with attacking other countries unprovoked. This country has been on a rampage since the attempted genocide of the native americans and has not let up on it's attempted domination of the planet. The excuses are always the same.
1- compassion- we want to save the heathens around the world from going to hell
2- protection of the innocent- invade and set up a military base to protect the people from invaders.
3- interest- we would like to inquire about the natural resources of the area,and show the govt. how to develop these resources.
4-altruism-being far more intelligent than the rest of the world, we would like to share our superior knowledge with them.
There is a subtle paranoia that permeates the atmosphere in the US that is difficult to perceive. Highly sensitive people know this but others may find it necessary to live in another country for some time to begin to notice how brainwashed we are as a collective group.If you find this difficult to swallow ,just look at the facts. we have hundreds of military bases around the world. How many other countries can make that claim? If only one of the countries that we occupy militarily tried to set up a base in our country,we would bomb them into oblivion, no questions asked. All of this can be summed up in one word, ARROGANCE!!

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» RE: We love war! Posted by: babs
Incompetent... really?!?!?
Posted by: Higher Reptile on Nov 17, 2008 8:39 AM   
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Mr. Brecher expresses bewilderment at Bush's supposed incompetence. I suggest he stop viewing Dubya's foreign policy through the neocon lens of "war on this...war on that". Look at Iraq for what it really is: a hostile corporate takeover. Recall the president's past experience as head of Arbusto and Harken, both of which he profited immensely from whilst scuttling beyond repair, and it becomes clear that creating a crisis is a great way to make off with an obscene amount of cash. Let's also remember that Bush never declared war against Iraq. So there, he's not a war president! And he sure is good at creating fabulous business opportunities for his compadres! So how is he incompetent? In screwing America. But, so what? It worked just fine for him. And oh, Dubya will have a lifetime supply of a 100+ secret service agents to help cover his ass, so I guess he's set! This is how our president models American enterprise for us. Good riddance and let's see some prosecutions after Jan. 20th.

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How to refocus our efforts to a better outsome..........
Posted by: using on Nov 17, 2008 8:47 AM   
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What could we have done....if we were aware?

It is good to remember that many of us were aware of what was happening...so...blaming the victims (ourselves) for not being aware is not the answer to protecting our future.

Hindsight focused on what we could have done and how we could have been effective in doing it...will give us some clue as to what we can do in the future........

Forinstance: we have a smart President now. We elected him because we believe that his agenda will be more directly geared to Main Street and thus will save the whole country from the freefall we are still rushing towards. However, we have already seen that they -- the Pied Pipers of the downward trecking -- are already playing their whinney-catchy-simple- minded tune and our elected officials, who are meant to protect our best interests are committing actions that show them dancing to the tune .......ex: giving money without carefully investigating needs, planning change and iron clad regulations that will redirect us on the road up hill to recovery has clearly been proven at the last senate conversation with the Financial Industry.
These actions clearly bespeak the makings of blind following (Boxer from Orwell's ANimal Farm) --most of us unempowered visonarys....(donkey from Animal Farm)....and the Pied Pipers themselves...(Squealor if I remember correctly from Animal Farm) This is the combination that leads to the control of the single-minded, self-centered Pigs that will with intent -- Do onto others, what most of us would never allow ourselves to do onto them. I agree with Obama, they are not bad. However, I do believe that they are missing the piece of humaness that allows us to care to consider the forest their tree lives in and the earth their tree draws its nurtishment from.
With the light shined into eyes, it is hard to see the mark of Cain...so we must find a way to accept into our awareness that the actions bespeak the patterns of leadership decisions that preordain the probable negative outcome we fear and have experience many times in the history of the world.
IN any case, we need our thinking people to be on the side of humanity, not just complain about its ills after the fact. IT is true that hindsight rules and all good actions have some negative effects but it is also true ...that the greedy, while pounding their chest. foaming from the mouth ...proceed to eat us one piece at a time while they themselves are too blind or stupid or misdirected to comprehend that in the end, they dig their own graves.
Forget blame..and start considering what and how to begin "walking the walk" that will save tomorrow by repairing today.
And let me prewarn you....if we do not hop to.......the Sarah Palins will rise again..resharpen their fangs and smother positive words and attempts with a negative spin.

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never my hero
Posted by: Mikediane on Nov 17, 2008 8:54 AM   
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Some of us knew from the beginning (Florida ring a bell?) and were never fooled. Some of us were outraged from the start. Some of us aren't looking for a "hero president" but instead are working hard to make sure the President is working for us. We will continue this job with our next President and have, hopefully, better results. Be vigilant. Be active. Let freedom ring.

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The media was just as much to blame as Bush.
Posted by: premarachel on Nov 17, 2008 9:03 AM   
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A good fifty percent of Americans opposed Bush and the war. The other fifty percent or so, regrettably are victims of a failing education system with only a third grade education and who got all their erroneous information from Fox news who totally exploited their ignorance. Bush was elected and re-elected (mostly by media propaganda exploiting a general ignorance and hysteria) and invaded Iraq thanks to the media, who once again pandered to the money and did everything it could to mislead and support the Bush policies. Now we are going to listen/read slews of articles like this as if it's news. Shame on the media. If you want to make up for your sins, press for impeachment and the arrests of all those who willfully lied to the American people in order to execute their own self interests. You might volunteer yourselves for your part in bringing the greatest disaster in American history to fruition.
Until America is educated, (if that can ever happen now) we will continue to see these close elections between the educated and the ignorant exploited by greedy and unscrupulous people or entities. If you want to dis-empower a people, don't educate them, let them get all their news from government sources. Regrettably most of our news stations supported Bush and spread his propaganda.

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I'm going to say it once again ...
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 17, 2008 9:05 AM   
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We, the population at large, did not let Bush become a war president. The Supreme Court (unconstitutionally) gave him the office in 2000 after neocon moles went down to Florida, fraudulently posed as Floridians, and disrupted the recount; and in 2004 Bush stole the presidency through massive election fraud. As for 9/11, the attack that gave little Georgie the excuse to make war: don't anybody try to tell me that the three controlled demolitions in NYC, the calculated impact at the Pentagon, and the coincidental, massive, failure of the most sophisticated air defense system in the world were anything but an inside job.

George Bush has got everything we supposedly "gave" him the same way he has received nearly everything else in his life of family-supported failure: he cheated.

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Wrong question, as usual
Posted by: willymack on Nov 17, 2008 9:08 AM   
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Instead of asking why we allowed, and continue to allow a halfwit to play war prezdint, we should be asking ourselves why we allowed not one, but TWO fraudulent elections to be shoved down our throats with hardly a murmer. Before we pontificate on what assholes the bushies are, maybe we should take a good hard look at the MIRROR. Know what's going to happen next? The bush crime family will be allowed to slither away with the war industry kickbacks and the money they stole from our people and live happily ever after, secure in the knowlege that our gutless, crooked "congress" and our clueless citizenry will let them go in the name of "national unity", whatever that is.

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Gave him what?! (Second try to post this statement)
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 17, 2008 9:19 AM   
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We, the population, did not let Bush become a war president. The Supreme Court handed him the presidency in 2000 after the Florida recount was disrupted by Bush/Cheney supporters fraudulently posing as Floridians. In 2004, Bush stole the election through massive election fraud. As for 9/11 and his motivation for attacking Iraq, a non-involved country: do not try to convince me that the three controlled demolitions in NYC, the impact at the Pentagon, calculated to minimize damage and death, and the coincidental, massive failure of the most sophisticated air defense system in the world were not together an inside job.

Bush was made a "war president" by the same method that he has received most everything else in his rich-family-supported life of failing upward: he cheated.

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Gave him what?! (Second try to post this statement)
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 17, 2008 9:19 AM   
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We, the population, did not let Bush become a war president. The Supreme Court handed him the presidency in 2000 after the Florida recount was disrupted by Bush/Cheney supporters fraudulently posing as Floridians. In 2004, Bush stole the election through massive election fraud. As for 9/11 and his motivation for attacking Iraq, a non-involved country: do not try to convince me that the three controlled demolitions in NYC, the impact at the Pentagon, calculated to minimize damage and death, and the coincidental, massive failure of the most sophisticated air defense system in the world were not together an inside job.

Bush was made a "war president" by the same method that he has received most everything else in his rich-family-supported life of failing upward: he cheated.

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**really** easy
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 17, 2008 10:00 AM   
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all they had to do was say:

1. "AmeriKa is NUMBER ONE!"

2. "SOMEBODY WILL PAY for what SOMEBODY DID TO US!" (whether we had it coming or not because we're f*ckwits on foreign & trade policies)

3. "Did you HEAR us?? AMERIKA IS NUMBER ONE!! HOW DARE YOU... [fill in offending activity]"

waive a couple of flags & cue the Yankee Doodle Dandy jingoism...

yup. it was dead simple.



as easy as blowing up Muslim weddings or rape-torturing the wives of Latin American trade unionists.

because when you're NUMBER ONE! or simply think you are... actual justice doesn't matter, does it? all people want is blood.

funny how that generates similar impressions in the victims of US policies...

How many aerial bombings has the US committed?




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» RE: **really** easy Posted by: aonghus36
3 words
Posted by: greekTowner on Nov 17, 2008 10:13 AM   
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Americans are gullible

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Look at the DOW Jones Index
Posted by: greekTowner on Nov 17, 2008 10:24 AM   
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From the start of the "war (March 03) to the beginning of the subprime mortgage collapse (late summer 07) +90%

No matter who's in the WH, they'll try to sell us another one

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Not Just Bush
Posted by: Sons on Nov 17, 2008 11:25 AM   
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Hang on there. I think Bush IS the dumbest, but let's be honest.

The majority of the Congress, the media, including the New York Times, and most Americans bought into this stupid attack.

The heroes in all this who have been TOTALLY FORGOTTEN AND EVER MENTIONED: The millions and millions of Americans and people world wide who did NOT buy the phony "evidence" people like Powell pushed at the UN. Somehow these demonstrators were so smart they saw through the fake stuff intelligence agencies fooled Bush, the Congress and the media with.

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Bush isn't the "dupe" he is portrayed to be...
Posted by: Quannah on Nov 17, 2008 11:32 AM   
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I watched the excellent documentary, Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story last Tuesday night, and it clearly showed the influence Atwater had on George W. Bush during his father's election for President. Bush sat at the feet of the biggest dirty-trickster of all times, and learned every one of Atwater's tricks, as did Karl Rove. They BOTH bought into the "lies and deception" political tactics embodied by Lee Atwater, and that were clearly shown in this documentary. It explained an awful lot to me about the pathology of W and it made it obvious to me that "Our Dear Leader" is in all of this up to his eyeballs. He's known about everything and is not the dupe he's been portrayed as being.

Atwater talked about how, being from the South, he perfected being seen as the "Dumb Guy From the South," and he USED THAT PERCEPTION to utterly destroy his opposition and help his candidates win. He taught his tricks to Bush, who has played it to the hilt.

He learned well from Atwater. He likes playing the idiot. (Which isn't the same as saying he isn't, in reality, not the brightest bulb on the tree, only that he doesn't recognize himself as being such!)

It all fits in with the "plausible deniabilty" theory that all those hangers-on from the Nixon administration (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc.) insisted upon in this administration. Create the illusion of the President being "out of the loop" so he can't be blamed for anything that goes wrong. It doesn't mean he isn't in on the entire diabolical plan!

This has been the biggest, most complicated disaster in the history of our country. But I, for one, refuse to let Bush off the hook by saying he was too stupid to know what was really going on. He presided over the most insane policies our nation has ever embarked upon. He is, in the end, the one to take the blame. As Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here." The disaster of his policies rest at the doorstep of this INSANE Commander-in-Chief.

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shared responsibility...
Posted by: abarbarag on Nov 17, 2008 12:49 PM   
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Just keep in mind, that the american people (like it or not at this point) VOTED for George W. Bush TWICE....his failures are a shared responsibility to all those who ELECTED him specially for second term...America is in a hole with lots of problems caused only by ourselves, now we have to face the hangover and rebuild this country. Blaming Bushie when he has 2 months to leave office is stupid and childish. Face the facts and get to work.

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» RE: shared responsibility... Posted by: Quannah
» RE: shared responsibility... Posted by: Quannah
out of control
Posted by: cbishopp on Nov 17, 2008 2:00 PM   
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As stated by a few other commentators and firmly believed by myself are the following realities:

We do not live in a democracy so we are incapable of spreading democracy.
Our government does not have the power to provide protection and stability for the citizens of this country.
Fantastic wealth and foreign investment control legislation and how it is enforced.
Both parties are culpable and help provide the small minded "good guys" and "bad guys" mentality that shapes and oversimplifies most important issues.
The transfer of wealth and power are the sole objective of all war.
9-11 was a pre-planned event that allowed tremendous resources to be reallocated for the purpose of our own enslavement.
No one has been convicted for 9-11 nor will anyone ever be convicted for any of the crimes committed during the bush administration.
The invasion of Iraq has been on the table for many years and both parties will work to prevent our withdrawal.
Present energy resources are used to enslave the population and drive huge numbers of dollars into private coffers.
Our representatives in the Senate do not care about the will of the people.
A single world government with a single currency is in the works in order to ensure even greater consolidation.
Every level of government has been modified to cater to a wealthy elite.
The news sources that the bulk of the population rely upon for information is skewed and is owned by our captors.
The Federal Reserve is a private enterprise that answers to no one and has been stealing from the people of this country since 1913.

Most of the above I have thought for many years and in 2001 when the first election was stolen and 9-11 occurred, people heard my ranting and became VERY upset and told me I was crazy and paranoid. I hope I am crazy and paranoid. Each year more evidence comes to light that provides support for these crazy rantings yet we spend our time talking about Obama's new dog.

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The difference between Bush and a serial killer ?
Posted by: Kahoneez on Nov 17, 2008 2:25 PM   
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The only difference is , a serial killer does his own killing .

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Not just Bush
Posted by: Hans B on Nov 17, 2008 3:06 PM   
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The hysteria to attack Iraq was apparently everywhere. I say apparently, because over here in Europe 80% of the population - of every country, including members of the "coalition of the willing" - were against it. But I caught a gist of US sentiment when I saw Amanpour's interview with Chirac on CNN. She wasn't just impolite. She treated him, a senior head of State of America's oldest ally, like a leper. And I understood this was so that CNN would not suffer a backlash back home for having given the mike to a war opponent.

This has changed my view of the US forever. Now there's Obama. Great, I rooted for him. But my old illusion that the US would ultimately stop any fascist expansion is gone; I now believe that the real risk of world fascism comes from the US. The neocons or whatever name they'll change to will be back, in 2012, 2016 or 2020. In fact if they had just been a little more competent, they'd probably still be in power, and maybe it wouldn't even have been necessary to hold elections. And next time they may not make the same mistakes.

For all the faults we Europeans have, at least we've been there, and we're continually on our guard against any resurgence of the old demons. (Which is why a campaign where people shout "kill him" would be over, shut down, repudiated.) But how many Americans are aware of how close they came? Not enough to guarantee that it won't happen again, I fear.

Obama is going to have a honeymoon with the rest of the world, but things will never be as they were. There's a lingering distrust - not of him but of his country - that wasn't there before, ever, and I don't see it going away.

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» RE: Not just Bush Posted by: maglindracia
WHY? BECAUSE WAR IS MONEY!
Posted by: snideelf on Nov 17, 2008 5:14 PM   
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For how long will Americans continue to ignore Eisenhower's warning in his farewell address?

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This writer is an idiot
Posted by: the baron on Nov 18, 2008 7:56 AM   
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We can finally put this travesty behind us, and work on making amends to the horrors our government has condoned. Yet; what is going on here? Arguing and sniping over a man who will be nothing more than a historical footnote.

How about this? Shut up, open your eyes; and start looking at the mess that needs to be cleaned up. Yeah it's ugly, but being progressive sure beats putting your head in the sand, or up your ass.

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Don Quixote
Posted by: Don Quixote on Nov 19, 2008 5:01 AM   
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Hello Hans B, congratulations, nice for me, Spaniard in The Netherlands, to read what you say the Netherlands. Have you seen Zeitgeistmovie.com? When? I have just discovered it. When 50 million or 500 million people have seen it, things might start to change, until now only 5 million. Hello Snideelf, Eisenhower was the last honest US president. After him, no president ever mentioned the problem, but became part of it. Sorry to say, if Bush is an idiot, what to think about those who voted him the second time?

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» RE: Don Quixote Posted by: SwampFox-82nd
I just have to say
Posted by: maglindracia on Nov 19, 2008 6:05 AM   
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That as a hard core Dungeons and Dragons nerd, and proud of my nerdiness, i completely resent being cast in box with that criminal Cheney! He's not a nerd, he's a Sith.

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WE Didn't.
Posted by: nobyjingo on Nov 22, 2008 2:38 PM   
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WE didn't elect Bush, he was foisted off on us by the RIGHT. Bush did exactly as he was told and accomplished his mission to the best of his ability. Bush's mission was to make a two-class system in the United States and the world. There had to be change in order to accomplish that end, and change he has presented. Bush has been spending the country's money that would benefit the common population; elite corporate capitalists are doing fine. War is necessary in order to fleece the nations. Now, the biggie is whether or not Obama will be able to pull the 70% working and poor class of our country back from the jaws of death to the common population.

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» RE: WE Didn't. Posted by: SwampFox-82nd
America was attacked!
Posted by: ds1st on Nov 23, 2008 10:27 AM   
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It is simple minded to believe that if America is attacked we should not defend ourselves. Evan more simple-foolish minded to believe that the president should sit back and let Americans be slaughtered and not yield the wrath of the American machine.

President George W. Bush is a great man! We have been safe for 7 years. The enemy has been killed and hung like dogs (MV would agree).

This shows the 3rd world banana republics, that if they think that they can dictate world policy and kill humans, they may get the same treatment as Saddam Hussein the butcher of Baghdad. The terrorists are being killed for their fascist cause, as it should be. Let God sort them out!

Capitalism and freedom is a torch that will not be distinguished by dictators or liberal fools, although we allow these individuals to express themselves.

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SwampFox-82nd
Posted by: SwampFox-82nd on Nov 23, 2008 10:28 AM   
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When we served, the standard military protocol for all captured enemy combatants was simple: Geneva Conference, 101! The thought was to show them we WERE NOT THERE to abuse them. We as military combatants respected our enemies. Not surprisingly, many were willing to divulge important info simply by treating them with the respect due anyone who puts their lives on the line for their country. We learned long ago, if you want truth, start with respect. Any grunt would say the same thing. Treat your prisoner like garbage, and you will never be sure if the information offered was correct!

FIRST: Iraq didn't have one terrorist on 09/11! But, there were some thirteen terrorists from Saudi Arabia! And, since the entire Osama bin Laden family (Saudis) were at Daddy-Bush's ranch -- right next to junior Bush's ranch, why didn't he at least asked them if they knew anything about pulling-off 09/11 without approval from SOMEBODY, given same...

Not to mention that even with a Navy AND Airforce, (al-Qaeda) has none, we after eight years haven't brought Osama bin Laden to justice? Didn't our beloved prez say, "...where ever you run and hide, we will find you and bring you to justice..." What's the damned holdup? No country would permit al-Qaeda to hide in their country. Then why is Bush so reluctant to produce Osama bin Laden? Everybody and their damned pet frogs know exactly where he has been. PAKISTAN!!! There can be only one simple answer to that moronic question: Bush doesn't want Osama bin Laden brought before justice. Why? Perhaps Osama bin Laden will speak for Manuel Noriega AND Saddam Hussein!!! And you all know what that could lead to... ~Peace~

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!!!!!PRESIDENT G. W. BUSH IS A GREAT MAN!!!!!
Posted by: ds1st on Nov 26, 2008 1:53 PM   
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Bush has protected my children from terrorism.

Not the liberal DEFEATIST, MONDAY MORNINING GENERALS, or SURRENDERCRATS.

Thank you President Bush, history will reflect you in a POSITIVE light.

Unlike President Clinton who committed PURGERY, ADULTERY, and is an ANTI-FEMINIST probably RAPIST, he will be reflected in a NEGATIVE light.

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» Oh, you poor deluded soul. Posted by: Will Miller
Well Focused Analysis
Posted by: Will Miller on Nov 27, 2008 1:25 PM   
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Gary did a great job at assessing the Bush Presidency and its failings; simple, concise and accurate. No smoke and mirrors or need to tell 'revisionist' dialog with misguided "fault finding". This is the way it was, an inept, disorganized, myopic group of righteous folk. Sorry Gary, you'll never be asked to join their club, you pay too much attention and recognize dumb when it flaunts itself across the stage. You're probably the kid that told the King that he was naked instead of wearing a mythical magic suit.

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