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Sparing Obama Criticism Isn't Doing Him (or Us) Any Favors

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted November 13, 2008.


Obama is about to enter a hornet's nest of entrenched interests and ideology. Electing him was the easy part. Now the real work begins.

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On the day that Americans turned out in near record numbers to vote, a record was set halfway around the world. In Afghanistan, a U.S. Air Force strike wiped out about 40 people in a wedding party. This represented at least the sixth wedding party eradicated by American air power in Afghanistan and Iraq since December 2001.



American planes have, in fact, taken out two brides in the last seven months. And don't try to bury your dead or mark their deaths ceremonially either, because funerals have been hit as well. Mind you, those planes, which have conducted 31% more air strikes in Afghanistan in support of U.S. troops this year, and the missile-armed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) now making almost daily strikes across the border in Pakistan, remain part of George W. Bush's Air Force, but only until January 21, 2009. Then, they -- and all the brides and grooms of Afghanistan and in the Pakistani borderlands who care to have something more than the smallest of private weddings -- officially become the property of President Barack Obama.



That's a sobering thought. He is, in fact, inheriting from the Bush administration a widening war in the region, as well as an exceedingly tenuous situation in devastated, still thoroughly factionalized, sectarian, and increasingly Iranian-influenced Iraq. There, the U.S. is, in actuality, increasingly friendless and ever less powerful. The last allies from the infamous "coalition of the willing" are now rushing for the door. The South Koreans, Hungarians, and Bulgarians -- I'll bet you didn't even know the latter two had a few troops left in Iraq -- are going home this year; the rump British force in the south will probably be out by next summer.



The Iraqis are beginning to truly go their own way (or, more accurately, ways); and yet, in January, when Barack Obama enters office, there will still be more American troops in Iraq than there were in April 2003 when Baghdad fell. Winning an election with an antiwar label, Obama has promised -- kinda -- to end the American war there and bring the troops -- sorta, mostly -- home. But even after his planned 16-month withdrawal of U.S. "combat brigades," which may not be welcomed by his commanders in the field, including former Iraq commander, now Centcom Commander David Petraeus, there are still plenty of combative non-combat forces, which will be labeled "residual" and left behind to fight "al-Qaeda." Then, there are all those "advisors" still there to train Iraqi forces, the guards for the giant bases the Bush administration built in the country, the many thousands of armed private security contractors from companies like Blackwater, and of course, the 1,000 "diplomats" who are to staff the newly opened U.S. embassy in Baghdad's Green Zone, possibly the largest embassy on the planet. Hmmmm.



And while the new president turns to domestic matters, it's quite possible that significant parts of his foreign policy could be left to the oversight of Vice President Joe Biden who, in case anyone has forgotten, proposed a plan for Iraq back in 2007 so filled with imperial hubris that it still startles. In a Caesarian moment, he recommended that the U.S. -- not Iraqis -- functionally divide the country into three parts. Although he preferred to call it a "federal system," it was, for all intents and purposes, a de facto partition plan.



If Iraq remains a sorry tale of American destruction and dysfunction without, as yet, a discernable end in sight, Afghanistan may prove Iraq squared. And there, candidate Obama expressed no desire to wind the war down and withdraw American troops. Quite the opposite, during the election campaign he plunked hard for escalation, something our NATO allies are sure not to be too enthusiastic about. According to the Obama plan, many more American troops (if available, itself an open question) are to be poured into the country in what would essentially be a massive "surge strategy" by yet another occupant of the Oval Office. Assumedly, the new Afghan policy would be aided and abetted by those CIA-run UAVs directed toward Pakistan to hunt down Osama bin Laden and pals, while undoubtedly further destabilizing a shaky ally.



When it comes to rising civilian casualties from U.S. air strikes in their countries, both Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari have already used their congratulatory phone calls to President-elect Obama to plead for an end to the attacks, which produce both a profusion of dead bodies and a profusion of live, vengeful enemies. Both have done the same with the Bush administration, Karzai to the point of tears.



The U.S. military argues that the use of air power is necessary in the face of a spreading, ever more dangerous, Taliban insurgency largely because there are too few boots on the ground. ("If we got more boots on the ground, we would not have to rely as much on airstrikes" was the way Army Brig. Gen. Michael Tucker, deputy commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, put it.) But rest assured, as the boots multiply on increasingly hostile ground, the military will discover it needs more, not less, air power to back more troops in more trouble.



So, after January 20th, expect Obama to take possession of George Bush's disastrous Afghan War; and unless he is far more skilled than Alexander the Great, British empire builders, and the Russians, his war, too, will continue to rage without ever becoming a raging success.



Finally, President-elect Obama accepted the overall framework of a "Global War on Terror" during his presidential campaign. This "war" lies at the heart of the Bush administration's fantasy world of war that has set all-too-real expanses of the planet aflame. Its dangers were further highlighted this week by the New York Times, which revealed that secret orders in the spring of 2004 gave the U.S. military "new authority to attack the Qaeda terrorist network anywhere in the world, and a more sweeping mandate to conduct operations in countries not at war with the United States."



At least twelve such attacks have been carried out since then by Special Operations forces on Pakistan, Somalia, most recently Syria, and other unnamed countries. Signed by Donald Rumsfeld, signed off on by President Bush, built-upon recently by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, these secret orders enshrine the Pentagon's right to ignore international boundaries, or the sovereignty of nations, in an endless global "war" of choice against small, scattered bands of terrorists.



As reporter Jim Lobe pointed out recently, a "series of interlocking grand bargains" in what the neoconservatives used to call "the Greater Middle East" or the "arc of instability" might be available to an Obama administration capable of genuinely new thinking. These, he wrote, would be "backed by the relevant regional players as well as major global powers -- aimed at pacifying Afghanistan; integrating Iran into a new regional security structure; promoting reconciliation in Iraq; and launching a credible process to negotiate a comprehensive peace between Israel and the Arab world."



If, however, Obama accepts a War on Terror framework, as he already seems to have, as well as those "residual" forces in Iraq, while pumping up the war in Afghanistan, he may quickly find himself playing by Rumsfeld rules, whether or not he revokes those specific orders. In fact, left alone in Washington, backed by the normal national security types, he may soon find himself locked into all sorts of unpalatable situations, as once happened to another Democratic president, Lyndon Baines Johnson, who opted to escalate an inherited war when what he most wanted to do was focus on domestic policy.



Previews for a Political Zombie Movie



Domestically, it's clear enough that we are about to leave the age of Bush -- in tone and policy -- but what that leave-taking will consist of is still an open question. This is especially so given a cratering economy and the pot-holed road ahead. It is a moment when Obama has, not surprisingly, begun to emphasize continuity and reassurance alongside his campaign theme of "change we can believe in."



All you had to do was look at that array of Clinton-era economic types and CEOs behind Obama at his first news conference to think: been there, done that. The full photo of his economic team that day offered a striking profile of pre-Bush era Washington and the Washington Consensus, and so a hint of the Democratic world the new president will walk into on January 20, 2009.



How about former Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Larry Summers, those kings of 1990s globalization, or even the towering former Fed chief from the first Bush era, Paul Volcker? Didn't that have the look of previews for a political zombie movie, a line-up of the undead? As head of the New America Foundation Steve Clemons has been writing recently, the economic team looks suspiciously as if it were preparing for a "Clinton 3.0" moment.



You could scan that gathering and not see a genuine rogue thinker in sight; no off-the-reservation figures who might represent a breath of fresh air and fresh thinking (other than, being hopeful, the president-elect himself). Clemons offers an interesting list of just some obvious names left off stage: "Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz, Jeffrey Sachs, James Galbraith, Leo Hindery, Clyde Prestowitz, Charlene Barshefsky, C. Fred Bergsten, Adam Posen, Robert Kuttner, Robert Samuelson, Alan Murray, William Bonvillian, Doug & Heidi Rediker, Bernard Schwartz, Tom Gallagher, Sheila Bair, Sherle Schwenninger, and Kevin Phillips."



Mobilizing a largely Clintonista brain trust may look reassuring to some -- an in-gathering of all the Washington wisdom available before Hurricane Bush/Cheney hit town, but unfortunately, we don't happen to be entering a Clinton 3.0 moment. What's globalizing now is American disaster, which threatens to level a vulnerable world.



In a sense, though, domestic policy may, relatively speaking, represent the good news of the coming Obama era. We know, for instance, that those preparing the way for the new president's arrival are thinking hard about how to roll back the worst of Bush cronyism, enrich-yourself-at-the-public-troughism, general lawlessness, and unconstitutionality. As a start, according to Ceci Connolly and R. Jeffrey Smith of the Washington Post, Obama advisers have already been compiling "a list of about 200 Bush administration actions and executive orders that could be swiftly undone to reverse White House policies on climate change, stem cell research, reproductive rights and other issues," including oil drilling in pristine wild lands. In addition, Obama's people are evidently at work on ways to close Guantanamo and try some of its prisoners in U.S. courts.



However, if continuity domestically means rollback to the Clinton era, continuity in the foreign policy sphere -- Guantanamo aside -- may be a somewhat different matter. We won't know the full cast of characters to come until the president-elect makes the necessary announcements or has a national security press conference with a similar line-up behind him. But it's certainly rumored that Robert Gates, a symbol of continuity from both Bush eras, might be kept on as secretary of defense, or a Republican senator like Richard Lugar of Indiana or, more interestingly, retiring Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel might be appointed to the post. Of course, many Clintonistas are sure to be in this line-up, too.



In addition, among the essential cast of characters will be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Michael Mullen, and Centcom Commander David Petraeus, both late Bush appointees, both seemingly flexible military men, both interested in a military-plus approach to the Afghan and Iraq wars. Petraeus, for instance, reportedly recently asked for, and was denied, permission to meet with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.



All these figures will represent a turn away from the particular madness of the early Bush years abroad, one that actually began in the final years of his second term. But such a national security line-up is unlikely to include fresh thinkers, who might truly reimagine an imperial world, or anyone who might genuinely buck the power of the Pentagon. What Obama looks to have are custodians and bureaucrats of empire, far more cautious, far more sane, and certainly far more grown-up than the first-term Bush appointees, but not a cast of characters fit for reshaping American policy in a new world of disorder and unraveling economies, not a crew ready to break new ground and cede much old ground on this still American-garrisoned planet of ours.



Breathless in Washington




Let's assume the best: that Barack Obama truly means to bring some form of the people's will, as he imagines it, to Washington after eight years of unconstitutional "commander-in-chief" governance. That -- take my word for it -- he can't do without the people themselves expressing that will.



Of course, even in the Bush era, Americans didn't simply cede the public commons. They turned out, for instance, in staggering numbers to protest the President's invasion of Iraq before it ever happened, and again more recently to work tirelessly to elect Obama president. But -- so it seems to me -- when immediate goals are either disappointingly not achieved, or achieved relatively quickly, most Americans tend to pack their bags and head for home, as so many did in despair after the invasion was launched in 2003, as so many reportedly are doing again, in a far more celebratory mood, now that Obama is elected.



But hard as his election may have been, that was surely the easy part. He is now about to enter the hornet's nest. Entrenched interests. Entrenched ideas. Entrenched ideology. Entrenched profits. Entrenched lobbyists. Entrenched bureaucrats. Entrenched think tanks. An entrenched Pentagon and allied military-industrial complex, both bloated beyond imagining and virtually untouchable, along with a labyrinthine intelligence system of more than 18 agencies, departments, and offices.



Washington remains an imperial capital. How in the world will Barack Obama truly begin to change that without you?



In the Bush years, the special interests, lobbyists, pillagers, and crony corporations not only pitched their tents on the public commons, but with the help of the President's men and women, simply took possession of large hunks of it. That was called "privatization." Now, as Bush & Co. prepare to leave town in a cloud of catastrophe, the feeding frenzy at the public trough only seems to grow.



It's a natural reaction -- and certainly a commonplace media reaction at the moment -- to want to give Barack Obama a "chance." Back off those critical comments, people now say. Fair's fair. Give the President-elect a little "breathing space." After all, the election is barely over, he's not even in office, he hasn't had his first 100 days, and already the criticism has begun.



But those who say this don't understand Washington -- or, in the case of various media figures and pundits, perhaps understand it all too well.



Political Washington is a conspiracy -- in the original sense of the word: "to breathe the same air." In that sense, there is no air in Washington that isn't stale enough to choke a president. Send Obama there alone, give him that "breathing space," don't start demanding the quick ending of wars or anything else, and you're not doing him, or the American people, any favors. Quite the opposite, you're consigning him to suffocation.



Leave Obama to them and he'll break your heart. If you do, then blame yourself, not him; but better than blaming anyone, pitch your own tent on the public commons and make some noise. Let him know that Washington's isn't the only consensus around, that Americans really do want our troops to come home, that we actually are looking for "change we can believe in," which would include a less weaponized, less imperial American world, based on a reinvigorated idea of defense, not aggression, and on the Constitution, not leftover Rumsfeld rules or a bogus Global War on Terror.

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Tom Engelhardt, editor of Tomdispatch.com, is co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of The End of Victory Culture.

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Precisely now is when we need to speak out the most
Posted by: ZPaul on Nov 13, 2008 12:21 AM   
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I think for anybody to say that if, we who voted for Obama continue to let him know in no uncertain terms what we want, particularly since he is conservative on a number of issues, that means we "shouldn't be 'whining' because you voted for him" is absolutely absurd. First of all, holding the person you voted for to their promises is not 'whining' - nor is demanding that he clarify his stand in areas which are still not crystal-clear. Or letting him know what we think of the people he is considering appointing. Now is precisely when we need to speak out more loudly and clearly than ever. There is NO way I am going to shut up for the next 4 years - are you?

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» New Equillibrium.. Posted by: Ashoka911
» Be careful what you voted for! Posted by: 2thepoint
Tom's Right, Of Course
Posted by: Urstrly on Nov 13, 2008 3:52 AM   
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I cast my first presidential vote for LBJ, thinking he would get us out of Vietnam and not nuke anyone, as Goldwater had suggested we do.It's tragic what happened to the Johnson Administratiton, mostly cause he couldn't stand to "lose."

Didn't fall for Nixon's (false) promise to get us out of Vietnam. With Kissinger's urging, he escalated. Remember? And I knew McCain had no desire to end the imperial presidency when Kissinger showed up as an advisor.

The reason I didn't vote for Hillary was that she bought in to just the kind of group think that seems to have overtaken Obama before he's even in the White House.

How can we be heard?

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» RE: Tom's Right, Of Course Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: Tom's Right, Of Course Posted by: thekid
» RE: Tom's Right, Of Course Posted by: 2thepoint
highly effective campaign machine
Posted by: sherman on Nov 13, 2008 4:07 AM   
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does the highly effective obama campaign orginzation work both ways? is there an organized way that we can let the president-elect know our feelings re afgan occupation?

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New Equillibrium..
Posted by: Ashoka911 on Nov 13, 2008 4:24 AM   
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The nature of Politics is to ultimatly compromize with competing interests and to find a new equillibrium. Barack did not create any of the Horrors mentioned. If progressive forces disappear into the woodwork, then the mighty interests that have wrecked us will prevail. Of course he will "govern from the center" We HAVE to move that "center" as far left as possible. This is a process. He has a LOT of complicated work to do and needs every one us to help. I will not hold him reponsible for the fact that he inherited this mess, or for the awkward steps to resolution, or the fact that "we are not there yet" . I do trust that he will do the best thing under the circumstances ...the circumstances that we create. If he fails, it is our failure as Americans. AMERICANS...GET TO WORK !!!!!

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MOVE ON and Social Networking
Posted by: Ashoka911 on Nov 13, 2008 4:28 AM   
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THAT is how we will untimatly win. The Obama administration needs to be plugged in and we need to stay organized and willing to keep the grass roots machine plowing ahead...

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Obama Is Not Naive
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 13, 2008 4:36 AM   
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Since the election, I have posted a good number of articles about Obama on my website which is www.911insidejob.net about whether he will really make a difference in this country's foreign policy. I really think he was groomed by the "powers that be" to become president and to further their agenda. On the surface, he is such a welcome change from George Bush and Dick Cheney that people around the world are looking to him as being a savior. But there is no way that Obama came from first being elected to the United States Senate in 2004 and four years later being elected president without the strong support and help of the "powers that be" including of course the mainstream media. To come so far so quickly seems to indicate clearly that he is beholding to the power elite in this country.
I am a member of the Coalition against Election Fraud established right after the 2004 election in Massachusetts. About 15 of us met with about 15 different United States senators on January 5, 2005 In Washington DC. The purpose was to present them with election fraud evidence so that they would not certify the electoral College vote in Ohio.
Here is my experience with Obama's office when we knocked on their door in the United States Senate building asking to be heard about this very important issue. They would not even let us in the door. Electronic voting machine fraud was not even talked about by him during the election.
I do not think he will make much of the difference since he is already obliged to the power elites

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» a High 5 for you Rinthy! Posted by: Cathyc
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» RE: Obama Is Not Naive Posted by: americansheep
» But a battery without a charge is Dead! Posted by: common intelligence
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Posted by: DEBKAMAINE on Nov 13, 2008 5:04 AM   
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I am going to go with Obama on this. Everything that I have read indicates that he has a brilliant mind and a strong sense of peace. His approach with Lieberman says a lot to me. I would have told him to kick L.'s a** to the curb, but I think that Barack is many moons ahead of me.

I worry that everybody is going to want their piece of him and he won't have a chance to even hit the ground before people are rejecting him and tearing at him.

I am also rethinking left wing thinking. I see so many things that are similar to right wing thinking. I see people who are so extreme and who have NO TOLERANCE for anything different than their beliefs.

I wonder if middle means the ability to be openminded about both sides. I do not know. My beliefs are very left, I just don't like what many people do in the name of left.

Balance.......is it a universal fact that balance is best....does that fit everything?.......if so, is the left wing as off balance as the right wing? I don't know, I really am asking....I do not know.

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Hmmmm... who did you think you were voting for? Dennis Kucinich?
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 13, 2008 5:04 AM   
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Let's recall that Obama also supported the $700 billion bailout, and that his biggest single donor was Goldman Sachs employees. However, he's also pledged to review how the bailout money is dispersed by Treasury - but isn't that the job of Congress? It's a mess, in other words, made worse by eight years of Republican corruption.

The worst thing that Obama could possibly do is to fill his cabinet with Clinton-era cronies such as Summers. How about Joseph Stiglitz, winner of the Swedish Bank Prize in Economics, and former World Bank economist? Some raving pro-privatization corporate maniac like Summers is a bad idea.

The most important thing, however, is for Obama to build a cabinet of people who will work together and who aren't into secret groups and dirty deals (like the Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal). Even the Clintons had that problem to some extent, and their clique shouldn't be allowed to run the show.

Then, we are all going to have to ask Obama what he meant by the vague phrase "clean energy"? Is he talking coal and nuclear, or is he talking wind and solar? He's called for "independence from foreign oil" but so has every president since the 1970s - all while cutting deals and running military operations intended to preserve our access to foreign oil.

The point is, that if you've been an Obama supporter, continue to do so by becoming an issue supporter - pick something you care about and start lobbying your city, county, state and national politicians to do something about it.

Say you want to start a real democratic movement? Go back and make a list of everyone in the House and Senate who voted against the $700 billion bailout bill. Those people deserve some level of support, whoever they may be. And if your representative DID vote for the bailout, send them a written letter demanding an explanation and more oversight (not an email - a letter).

That would be the real victory - if a dumbed-down and easily manipulated population of consumers became a well-informed and active community of citizens who played a major role in determining the country's future... that's worth working for.

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» RE: Hmmmm... Posted by: rhbee
We are the change we're looking for
Posted by: taxidriver on Nov 13, 2008 5:14 AM   
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Obama's not the messiah: he's only one (very powerful and charismatic) man. All of us need to continue pressing for real change--change that takes us in the direction of caring for the little guy and gal again.

Our country's plagued by gigantism--gigantic government, military, welfare system, homeland (in)security, etc.

We don't need to move to the center; we need to recenter our politics on fairness and opportunity to the working and middle classes. And it's tough because there are so many vested interests working against such a recentering. So it's up to us--and the Obama-man--to get it done.

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The situation as I see it (a list)
Posted by: willymack on Nov 13, 2008 5:36 AM   
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1. We're bogged down in not one, but TWO illegal "wars", ordered by a criminal in his office ILLEGALLY due to the fraudulent "elections" of 2000 & 2004.
2. The REAL reason for our economic woes, the aforementioned phony wars, is hardly ever discussed.
3. The REAL reason for the phony wars is, of course, money. Tons of it made by arms manufactors oil companies, contractors, etc., and a portion of it kicked back to the "prezdint" and his crooked cronies. These crooks will keep the "wars" going indefinitely unless they're STOPPED.
4. Halting the "wars", although highly desirable and the right and moral thing to do is not enough. Punishing the criminals responsible for them is absolutely necessary for the preservation of our Republic.I don't care if it decimates our Congress and puts hundreds of our elected officials in jail; it MUST be done.
5. President Obama and his justice department MUST be reminded, on a daily basis, by email, regular mail, and telephone calls of their responsibility to our citizens: NO FORGIVENESS FOR THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY.

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Time to back away from the Kool-Aid!
Posted by: eeezzz on Nov 14, 2008 5:52 PM   
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Why do you think he is appointing all the Clinton era people? Because he thinks he can emulate Clinton's successes. He does not have a clue how to deal with things as they currently exist. Except to call Bill!

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Yes, now the work begins.
Posted by: neoanacrhonism on Nov 13, 2008 5:55 AM   
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No Democratic administration has ever done anything of value without the citizenry kicking their butt. Even if Obama has the best intentions, the Democratic Congress is likely to undermine him, as they attempted with FDR, and succeeded with Jimmy Carter. If the Democrats during the Roosevelt administration hadn't been faced with the potential loss of life (their own) and property, they never would have psssed the New Deal. Simply electing a Democrat will do NOTHING, unless we get very active, very soon. As Howard Zinn stated about a potential Kerry administration, it only gives us a ledge to stand on and yell in the window. If we do not take advantage of it, we've got only ourselves to blame.

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Yes, be sure to HAMMER away at him!!
Posted by: DEBKAMAINE on Nov 13, 2008 5:59 AM   
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and he'll either get bruised or broken......sorry, but I do not agree with this idea AT ALL. YOU have your agenda, TOM has his agenda, SUSIE has her agenda and EVERYONE HAS TO HAVE THEIR IDEA HEARD!!!!

Obama DOES have a brain, and there are ways to handle things that you just may not be aware of. Hopefully he will go to the U.N. But, if you pressure him enough, he will start doing things out of pressure and you know what happens when a politician does that....AL GORE was not authentic until after his election was stolen and he got angry. When Al started speaking from his own heart, then he got on track. Let the man use his common sense!

I am not for pressuring him. People of every opinion worked hard on his election, so....they are ALL to have their way???

Let him do his job.....if you don't, you will destroy his presidency!! Good lord, don't you know that he has to land in office, get some bearings, and consider THINGS THAT YOU JUST MAY NOT KNOW!! YOU do not have the whole picture and if you are going to take the tact that you do not trust him, YOU may be on the WRONG track. Give him some slack, he already has the other extreme gunning for him.

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» Excellent memory. Posted by: Coleman
» OOHHH the poor baby! Posted by: eeezzz
no time
Posted by: Quasar on Nov 13, 2008 6:28 AM   
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Of course, it is everyone's duty as citizens to hold our leaders responsible and accountable. Obama is no different. But I think we also need to be accountable for our criticism so as not to undermine our leader's efforts to provide for the "common good."

Too think that everyone will be or should be happy with everything Obama does and says is naive.

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» RE: no time Posted by: DEBKAMAINE
When JFK got elected--what a Senator had to say
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 13, 2008 6:28 AM   
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I remember reading somewhere about another young and enthusiastic president-elect named John Kennedy. There was a comment made by well-known Republican Senator Everett Dirksen.

There was lots of talk from Kennedy prior to his inauguration about how he was determined to "shake-up" Washington and challenge the special interests and the entrenched politicians.

According to the story--Dirksen (who was a very powerfull good 'ol boy in the Senate) when he heard of this was quoted as saying: "HA HA HA!...and I might add: HO HO HO!!!"

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» JFK was killed.......... Posted by: gellero1
» RE: JFK was killed.......... Posted by: 2thepoint
Inaugural Poem "We Must Change"
Posted by: thinkverybig on Nov 13, 2008 6:28 AM   
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It is my goal to get in touch with someone from the Obama campaign and share with them my desire to be a part of his inauguration by reciting a poem I wrote called “We Must Change,” and I kindly ask for your help in doing so.
Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

Here are the words! http://www.thinkverybig.com/We%20Must%20Change.htm

“Makes Me Wanna Cry” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY

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» Dream On......... Posted by: gellero1
For example, Obama is now under right-wing corporate pressure to support a Colombia trade deal
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 13, 2008 6:42 AM   
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The current push is for a lame-duck session of Congress to meet and pass the Colombian trade deal. Keep in mind, this is a war-torn country with no "good guys". The FARC kidnap and torture people, and the Colombian military was just caught offering poor people jobs, then murdering them and claiming that they were rebels. Both the FARC and the paramilitary engage in cocaine refining, and the paramilitary gets their weapons from the U.S. anti-drug funds.

This is a trade deal that should be defeated, if any trade deal should be. However, the forces of evil are now trying to get it passed at the last minute:

Bush pushes Obama for Colombia free trade deal, LAT, Nov 13

"Representatives for Bush and Obama acknowledged that the two men discussed the proposed free-trade deal during their two-hour White House transition session Monday and whether the pact should come up for a vote during the lame-duck congressional session opening early next week.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino denied reports that Bush conditioned his support for a Democratic fiscal stimulus package, including help for the U.S. auto industry, on approval of the trade bill with Colombia.


For more, see Congress is right to oppose Colombia trade deal, Reuters

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» Not Right Wing.......... Posted by: gellero1
Don Quixote
Posted by: Don Quixote on Nov 13, 2008 6:51 AM   
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Why can't even readers of alternative media understand that you cannot even be a candidate for US President unless you accept to be a puppet of the military-industrial complex? Even if Obama really wanted, (and tried) to make changes, he would be stopped like Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King and John Kennedy.

Sorry, you need a new revolution, there is no real democracy, elections are just Hollywood style entertainment, run by the same people.

What is the percentage of media ownership by a group over which "democracy" becomes a joke? 51%? 75%? 90%? Do you know the percentage of really free US media?

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» RE: Don Quixote Posted by: DEBKAMAINE
» RE: Don Quixote Posted by: Don Quixote
Activist4Life
Posted by: Activist4Life on Nov 13, 2008 7:01 AM   
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He's not being spared. I don't know who thinks he is. The Republicans have already started on him, before he is even sworn in. They are ACTUALLY claiming that Obama is influencing Bush to sign all these give away bills, and claiming that Bush ought to refuse, and make HIM take responsibility. As IF Bush was ever influenced by anyone. I am positive Obama wishes Bush WOULD stop signing these horrible bills, (many which facilitate making things worse), which he is only going to have to attempt to correct. They are laying the blame for the bailout directly on his shoulders. Though all the GOP and MOST Democrats (with the exception of a few) were all for giving this money to Paulson to manage as he sees fit. The same guy that helped screw everything up, and claimed he didn't see it coming. Obama actually SUGGESTED controls, which were not implemented. The guy is not God, though Republicans continue to accuse anyone who supports him of worshipping him. This is pure propaganda, coming from the lips of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. Many Progressives are also indulging in the same kind of behavior. If he gets anything done it will be a miracle, but that is probably the outcome they all desire, so they can be RIGHT.

Progressives and Liberals aren't happy because he isn't far enough Left, and the Right is calling him "the most Liberal" President in history. Everyone is predicting he's going to be a failure.

It seems so weird to me that so many Americans actually WANT him to fail, so they can be RIGHT, though if he does we will all suffer. I suppose that is America. We LOVE to build people up, and then tear them down. It is what we do.

This time, we are in a LOT of trouble. It might be wise to try to pull together for once. Ha! IN MY DREAMS!

Personally, I will wait and see what the guy does. I think he at least deserves that. There is no way that any leader in this country can get anything done if they go to the Hard Left or the Hard Right anymore. People are going to have to compromise.

The fact is, NO ONE knows what to do about this horrible mess that Americans allowed to happen. Like it or not Americans elected Bush TWICE, now they all want to act as if no one voted for him, and it is all someone else's fault. We could have marched to Washington and thrown Bush out in the street. We tried. Americans would not join us. Now they want to whine, and blame someone else, when Bush is gone they will blame Obama. Many won't even wait until he is sworn in, they blame him now.

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» RE: Activist4Life Posted by: DEBKAMAINE
» RE: Activist4Life Posted by: Spot
» RE: Activist4Life Posted by: DEBKAMAINE
Obama
Posted by: chlamor on Nov 13, 2008 7:25 AM   
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-- he's for permanent occupation of Iraq;

-- America's imperial agenda;

-- militarism and foreign wars;

-- new ones against Pakistan; possibly Iran as well;

-- an enlarged military;

-- more troops to Afghanistan;

-- a new Cold War with Russia;

-- in 2006, campaigned for Joe Lieberman against anti-war candidate Ned Lemont;

-- opposes impeaching Bush and Cheney;

-- in July 2005, backed reauthorizing the Patriot Act with its police state provisions;

-- supports Homeland Security funding to enforce them;

-- supports the death penalty;

-- privatized in lieu of public education;

-- is one-sidedly pro-Israel;

-- opposes universal single-payer national health care;

-- supports medical providers in wrongful injury cases;

-- backs "free trade" and initiatives like NAFTA;

-- the right of mining companies to strip mine everything;

-- is unresponsive to labor;

-- supports biofuels production, big agribusiness subsidies, and the industry's rage to make all foods GMO;

-- supports the Bush administration's energy policy; its huge subsidies and other generous handouts;

-- backs nuclear power, loose industry regulation, and multi-billions in subsidies;

-- supports the Paulson bailout plan and the fraudsters that get it;

-- backs repressive immigration legislation affecting people of color;

-- is beholden to his corporate backers; and

-- is committed to a pro-business agenda overall.

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» Go to eeyore.com Posted by: Beck
Obama is a company man
Posted by: chlamor on Nov 13, 2008 7:28 AM   
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OBAMA INC.

This “new Democrat” Barack Obama is engaged in the exact same “juggling act” as the “old Democrats” i.e. Clinton. He likes to call himself a “progressive” and to identify himself with “the principles of equality,” the “Golden Rule” and the cause of “social justice,” citing as evidence his youthful experience as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago. Still, Obama is a freshly minted millionaire who recently purchased an opulent Georgian Revival Mansion below price at $1.65 million thanks to some help from the felony-indicted political fundraiser and longtime Obama friend and campaign finance pivot man Tony Rezko.

Obama is a company man. He knows the language, the subtle and overt signals, and emits them like a beacon. Ruling circles have gotten the message, and that is why corporate media have made him a contender, and corporate billfolds have financed him. The "skinny kid" made his bones at the Democratic National Convention, in August, 2004, while he was still an Illinois senatorial candidate - a shoo-in against the hopeless and deranged Black Republican Alan Keyes. Obama put all white fears to rest: "There is no white America. There is no black America. There is no Latino America. There is no Asian America. There is only the United States of America." Hallelujah!

The scam of this still-new century enthralls and envelopes the nation, a narrowly-packaged farce in which political twins Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama pretend they are not joined at the hip on every public policy issue that has been allowed to enter the corporate media-vetted discourse: health care, Iraq, trade. Even these points of (non)contention disappear in the din of purely commercial marketing mantras with infinitely malleable meanings: "Change," "Hope," "Reform."

When no real change is offered - when both frontrunners are wedded to a lingering presence in Iraq and to reestablishing U.S. hegemony in the world; when insurance and drug companies are left virtually untouched by duos' tepid forays into broadening health care coverage; and when neither offers a whisper of an idea on halting the corporate-engineered global Race to the Bottom, then it is certain that, although "change" may come, it will be at the direction of the rich who have brought the nation and planet to the very brink of catastrophe.

But then, Obama would never have risen so quickly and remarkably to his current position of dominant media favor and national prominence if he was anything like the egalitarian and democratic “progressive” that some liberals and leftists imagine. In the corporate-crafted and money-dominated swamp that passes for “representative democracy” in the U.S., concentrated economic and imperial power open and close doors in ways that preemptively suffocate populist potential. Big money is not in the business of promoting genuine social justice or democracy activists (so-called “gadflies” like Wellstone, to use Obama’s description).

Understanding public policy as a mechanism for the upward distribution of wealth, it promotes empire and inequality by underwriting the smothering K Street culture and the revolving door that feeds it—not just lobbyists themselves but the entire interconnected world of campaign consultants, public relations agencies, pollsters, and media strategists—without whose favor and assistance serious presidential bids are next to unthinkable.

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» RE: Obama is a company man Posted by: solrev
» RE: Obama is a company man Posted by: YouReapProsperity
Fiscal Totalitarian and the American Sheep
Posted by: YouReapProsperity on Nov 13, 2008 7:49 AM   
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The great American fools march on ready to pounce on every move the young Senator from Illinois makes while largely ignoring and even making excuses for the continued destruction and outright embezzlement of the American tax. I find it interesting and disturbing even that all the concentration of wealth and money plundered by the Bush administration goes uninvestigated or prosecuted.

George W., Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and Condoleeza Rice all need jail time for not only the unnecessary war and the innocent lives on both sides and inflicting minute insignificant damage to terrorism collectively while spending lavishly and insuring opulence for America’s top 1% rich and their future. How is it not treason to ask for billions and billions on a trumped up war during a recession?

How is it impossible that President Bush, Treasury Secretary Paulson and Alan Greenspan were not paid off to stifle public criticism by lying about a foreseeable economic tidal wave?

Where are the cries of “accountability” on the current criminals before the media, Washington and the Great American Fools march all over Obama’s alleged intent?

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I'm moving to Sweden.
Posted by: grindermonkey on Nov 13, 2008 8:00 AM   
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It's dark most of the year there like where our American heads are stuck...

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Obama will continue with status quo - meet the new boss, same as the old boss
Posted by: DCostello2 on Nov 13, 2008 8:29 AM   
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Aside from his blah, blahing about 'hope and change', please point to one actual shred of REAL evidence that Obama will act any differently than any other Democrat. His record points otherwise. His statements, at least the ones that actually say something besides blah, blah, blah, all indicate otherwise.

The writing has been on the wall for any who cares to look and read it. Several writers here have listed the points about Obama. Just take a look at who he's appointed so far, who's on the 'short list' and who's running his transition team. It's the biggest list of OLD Washington insiders assembled, and some of them are REAL WINNERS. Rahm Emanuel - don't run those anti-war Democrats, let's get us some blue dogs instead. Madeline Albright - killing 500,000 children in Iraq is ok. Zibigniew Brzezinski - the guy who is responsible for setting up the Russians in Afghanistan. A bunch of Clinton retreads or worse, old Pappy Bush retreads. And yet you still think Obama is going to be something different???

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Pressure Points
Posted by: Southern Gal on Nov 13, 2008 8:32 AM   
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This past year I have communicated more with my district representative in Congress than in previous years due to FISA and the economic bailout legistation. I've found his home state staff and Washington staff to be very responsive. My state now has a new senator and I plan to be in regular contact with her staff when she assumes office. It seems to me that these people who represent us in Congress are our primary access to Congress and to the White House. We don't have the money and access that the lobbyists do, but we do have the vote that can put thse people into office or kick them out.

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A FORUM FROM WHICH TO BE HEARD
Posted by: using on Nov 13, 2008 8:46 AM   
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Obviously we cannot live ourlives while pitching our tents.

So the questions remains: HOW CAN WE BE HEARD?

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A FORUM FROM WHICH TO BE HEARD
Posted by: using on Nov 13, 2008 8:46 AM   
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Obviously we cannot live ourlives while pitching our tents.

So the questions remains: HOW CAN WE BE HEARD?

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Thank you Tom Engelhardt
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Nov 13, 2008 9:10 AM   
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Every time anyone on Alternet questions or criticizes Obama, the Obamatrons come along with their whacking sticks, accusing people of being disgruntled third party voters or sore losers. "Give him a chance" they say, or "sour grapes", or sometimes just "shut up troll", far worse than any Bush era thought police ever hoped to be.

It's because I'm so grateful McCain was defeated that I'm willing to give Obama a million chances, to have faith in him, and to hope for the best, but I can't suspend reason or reality, nor can I stop being the activist and political junkie I've always been. We have to tell our elected people what we expect, or we'll never have a chance against the swarm of lobbyists and Capitol Hill insiders.

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Ask not what he can do for YOU
Posted by: Kym525 on Nov 13, 2008 9:13 AM   
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But what are YOU willing to give back in return? Obama's got his work cut out for him and he knows that he needs to be accountable to the will of the people. However, he also asked that you do your share, even if it's volunteering and hour or so to a cause near and dear to your heart.

I'm still waiting to see people get back out into their communities and begin changing the mindset. We saw the mess caused by screwed-up voting machines and the long lines. So, who's gotten involved to make certain that people don't suffer from future disenfranchisement?

As he said, it's time to get to work!

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I blame Canada
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 13, 2008 10:32 AM   
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They won't let us in. Bastards!

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donzi
Posted by: donzi on Nov 13, 2008 10:37 AM   
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Now is when we need to support this President, not start the tear down early. His burden is incredible. There are enough entreanched corporate and conservative interest to start the tear down to cripple this administration. Enough already. Let's at least be adult enough to give him the opportunity to present his exit strategy.

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» Maybe not tear down but Posted by: marid
Together we can shout louder than we can individually!
Posted by: reelectnoone on Nov 13, 2008 11:44 AM   
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take my word for it -- he can't do without the people themselves expressing that will.

I totally agree and am taking steps to make that easier for the average voter. Visit me and participate in your future at Joe the Voter.

Together we can shout louder than we can individually!

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Obama is an act of system-legitimizing brilliance
Posted by: chlamor on Nov 13, 2008 12:12 PM   
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Barack Obama: The Empire’s New Clothes
Wednesday, 12 November 2008
by Paul Street

Barack Obama and his followers continue to revise the history of his ascendance, pretending his campaign was rooted among the "outsiders." The public line is a fiction, as even the most rudimentary research reveals. In fact, Obama's own words document his intense courtship of the rich and powerful. Unfortunately, "few if any of" Obama's staunchest supporters "have bothered to read a single solitary word of Obama's blatantly imperial, nationalist, and militarist foreign policy speeches and writings," says the author. "And my sense is they never will."


"Obama is an act of system-legitimizing brilliance."



Barack Obama is no exception to the rule. Anyone who thinks he could have risen to power without prior and ongoing ruling class approval is living in a dream world.

An Early and ‘Quieter Audition' with the ‘Moneyed Establishment.'

Conventional wisdom holds that Obama entered national politics with his instantly famous keynote address to the 2004 Democratic National Convention. But, as Ken Silverstein noted in Harper's in the fall of 2006, "If the speech was his debut to the wider American public, he had already undergone an equally successful but much quieter audition with Democratic Party leaders and fund-raisers, without whose support he would surely never have been chosen for such a prominent role at the convention."

The favorable elite assessment of Obama began in October of 2003. That's when "Vernon Jordan, the well-known power broker and corporate board-member who chaired Bill Clinton's presidential transition team after the 1992 election, placed calls to roughly twenty of his friends and invited them to a fund-raiser at his home. That event," Silverstein noted, "marked his entry into a well-established Washington ritual-the gauntlet of fund-raising parties and meet-and-greets through which potential stars are vetted by fixers, donors, and lobbyists."

More here:
LINK

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End the Federal Reserve
Posted by: ron heringhauser on Nov 13, 2008 12:14 PM   
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Until the day comes that we wake up to the fact that the foreign banking cartel, Known as the Federal Reserve, Not Federal and No Reserves, is nationalized, and stripped of its secrecy, there will NEVER be any meaningful change in the way Washington operates. Period! Watch Aaron Russo's film, on You Tube "America Freedom to Fascism". By end the Fed's ability to control the money supply, we take away their power to control our lives. It is the head of the beast! Once that first step is taken, we will be on the road to recovery.

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Keep the Grassroots Effort Moving
Posted by: NyghtOwl on Nov 13, 2008 12:37 PM   
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To make your thoughts and needs heard by this new administration go to the Open Government section of Obama's new website and post a thoughtful clear list of the change you want to see, if you have ideas of how the change should take shape or work, by all means list that too.

This is the website that picks up where the Obama campaign site ends. The site offers blog space also, for those who wish to start meaningful dialog. Please leave your party affiliation at the door, and refrain from name calling and blame. This site is for the future not the past. Let the Grassroots Movement roll ever forward. Never again feel that you don't have a voice.

CHANGE.GOV Office of the President Elect

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On UK Prime Time TV National News is US GM - Could Go Bust With The Loss of 2.5 Million US Jobs
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 12:39 PM   
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I was going to say is this a joke about Genetically Modified Food?

Or Ford

And then I thought - well what about all the poor sods in the UK working for GM's subsidary - Vauxhall - and the fact that I drive Vauxhall Cars.

And that this is a Worldwide thing

So what is Obama going to do?

Is he just going to let all industry fall apart - totally collapse - with Millions of people - not just in the US - but all over the World lose their jobs and sink into complete poverty...

Whilst continuing to fund the Manufacture of Weapons of Mass Destruction in all the States of America - where the elected peoples Representatives had done a deal to get some legislation they hated pass through - to not only maintain the jobs of people creating bombs and guns - but actually create more jobs and more bombs and guns?

You see Obama has got some tough choices

Should America make Even MORE Bombs and Guns?

Tony

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!?!? SPARING Criticism ?!?!
Posted by: Crazy H on Nov 13, 2008 12:39 PM   
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WTF?

Ever since the man was elected, all I've heard is criticism. Criticism to the right of me, criticism to the left of me, volleys and thunders.

I can't begin to count the number of times I've heard someone accuse him of abandoning his base... from where I sit, it looks more like his base is abandoning him.

"It's been OVER A WEEK, and he hasn't fixed the economy or ended the war yet."

And that's just the people who voted for him. The people who voted for McShithead are already forming lynching parties.

Don't get me wrong - you want to criticise, go right ahead. You want to make suggestions, feel free. But I would hope that you mix in a little reality while you're at it. He's not superman, and he can't single-handedly turn the country around - especially not two months before he's even sworn in.

... just don't expect me to believe that anyone is sparing the man criticism.

m'kay?

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Who in their right mind is not critical of Obama?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 13, 2008 12:42 PM   
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On one level the election of Obama restores hope for many Americans; his election is seen as a huge shift in attitude among Americans who, it would appear, have rejected the idea that a black man could never be president.

In addition, Obama's election bolsters the illusion that our government can be trusted to bend to the will of the people--that an outsider can "change" the culture of Washington, DC.

Obama, however, is not an outsider. On the contrary, he is the consummate insider--a man whose policies and advisers are indistinguishable from the Clinton administration.

Clinton, it should be noted, was the man who dismantled "welfare as we know it", a warmonger, a rabid promoter of deregulation and an avid free-trader.

Do any of you honestly believe that Obama is capable of presenting to the American people the awful reality of American foreign and domestic policy as did Martin Luther King when he said, "The greatest purveyor of terror in the world today is my own government"?

Thus, Obama can not serve two masters. No doubt, Obama intends to serve the ruling-elite, as did Bill Clinton before him, to the detriment of the people who worked so hard to make his election a reality.

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The Entire Culture, Care and Love Of The People Of The NORTH of ENGLAND...
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 2:39 PM   
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Just Blows The Rest of The World Away

The BEST HOSPITALS, The BEST CARE, The BEST EDUCATION

And when you go into the local shop anywhere in the North of England

They say to You

No Matter What

Oh you want that Love - it costs that

Thanks Love

None of this crap

"Have a Nice Day"

The Love is Given and Meant without thought

It Just is

I've just visited my Brother in a Hospice in the North of England

I live in the South

Absolutely no comparisson

The North of England is the Best Place in the World to live

Except it pisses down with rain most of the time

Tony

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Reality sets in...
Posted by: BST on Nov 13, 2008 3:17 PM   
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To President-elect Obama's detriment in readying for the challenges and critics ahead, he first ran against the Bush legacy, then the lightning rod known as "The Clintons" and finally against a GOP in disarray and an untenable VP candidate.

Each of these deflected heat and scrutiny from Sen. Obama who, no doubt, is a wise and bright individual. But an awful lot of people simply assigned their hopes and dreams to an icon of Change without getting a real chance to "kick the tires."

He could remain calm and cool and somewhat detached because the press was complicit in allowing this, not because he requested that pass.

Neither the primary nor the presidential contest provided sufficient prep time for Sen. Obama to gird his loins for the inevitable criticisms and critiques which will come his way and the unavoidable party divisions.

But they will -- and we will all see what lies beyond his very laudable oratory, writing skills, world experience and his clever rallying slogan. I wish him good fortune as he takes on the reins at what surely is one of the most critical times in world history.

I note that he has surrounded himself with so many Clinton team members that about the only ones missing are Bill and Hillary.

It would have been instructive for someone to ask during the campaign how Obama himself would define Change so we could judge whether he is meeting -- as time goes on -- his own vision and goals ... and ours.

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Two Days Ago I Visited My Brother in a Hospice in The North of England
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 3:19 PM   
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Yes - he did join the Territorial Army

And he met his Girlfriend - now his Wife in The Territorial Army

But it was in 1963 when the TA was just like big Boy Scouts

And they were told whilst playing their silly games

If an Irish bloke comes up to you and says -

"Can I have your gun?"

- then

"Don't give it to him."

My Dying Brother is Magnificent

I did tell him not to do it too much

He ain't dead yet

Sure he's had one lung removed - and had almost been left for dead 4 weeks ago

Well he said to me -

"This one still works all right.

Fuck Knows Why They Put Me Here in This Hospice.

I'm Going To Get Better"

If you want to

then please

Pray for My Brother

Patrick

He's a Nice Bloke

I Love Him

Tony

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And So We Met Lynne Again - Who Was Worried About Her Pension
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 4:06 PM   
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Lynne Teaches and Does a lot of Caring For People in The North of England...

And hasn't much of a pension or anything

And she never married

And she said Tony

Can I ask you a very simple question?

Where Did all the Money Come From To Bail Out All These Bent Banks?

She said - So Far as I can tell EVERY Country In The WORLD Has Massive Debts?

Who Do All These Countries OWE All This Money To?

I sort of tried to say - well its like the Bank of England and the US Federal Reserve Create it out of NOTHING

They just go on a computer

And type all these long numbers in and create it out of nothing

And Lynne said - How can They Do That

Create Money Out of Nothing?

And I sort of said well the BOE et al are owned by a very small number of Private Individuals

And so Lynee said - what you mean we have to pay these people - the richest people in the WORLD interest...

And I said

No its not as simple as that

Cos they already have far more money than they know what to do with

She said

Who Are They?

I Really Do Not Like The Surveillance Society Such that I have got a camera peering in my bedroom...

I said The Internet Works Both Ways

Tony

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The Remedy Is Quite Simple - Instead of Bombing Iran - Make Friends With Iran
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 4:36 PM   
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And work with the Iranian Scientists (I have worked with Scientists from Iran in London - and Have The Highest Respect For Them)

Lets work together to build a complete NEW RANGE Of

GREEN NUCLEAR ENERGY Stations and Deploy Them All Over The World

Just to Clean Up The Air From All The Coal Dust

And Have Sufficient ENERGY as a LIFEFORM in the UNIVERSE

To Look After Ourselves and Create a Sustainable Heaven on Earth

And maybe think about going forward and start to think about exploring the rest of the UNIVERSE

We have got to sort ourselves out first

Love begins at Home

I Am subscribing several thousand pounds To a French/English Consortium to build 4 New Nuclear Power Stations in England

Their timescales are quite impressive

If they re-employ some of my mates - we could cut that time in half

And have our First New Nuclear Power Station

Onstream

In 4 Years Time

Maybe 3

In the Prospectus it said 2017

Fuck That

We Want MORE ENERGY

NOW

Tony

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» Green Nuclear? Posted by: LeftWright
Rahm Israel Emanual, Mr. Obama's White House Chief of Staff
Posted by: GUY FOX on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM   
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Criticizing Mr. Obama? Let's start with this!

When it comes to the Zionist theocrazy of Israel, the tail continues to wag the dog in Washington D.C. (a.k.a.: $ewertown). As has been for the last few decades... it is always Israel first and Amerika $econd! Any criticism of Israel is immediately dismissed as anti-$emetic or labeled as skin head Nazi. There is no room for discussing the human rights and the the economic plight of the Palestinian people in Gaza, presently referred to as "the new niggers."

Sorry for using the N word... butt the truth is the truth! Deny-all will NOT change it. Israel runs Amerika for the $ake outdated religious dog-mess and racist, arrogant tribe-all-eeego born from the 19th Century invention of Zionism, a cruel and vicious perspective that poisons the whole world.

Obama's recent appointment of Rahm Israel Emanual, a hard core multimillionaire Zionist fanatic (and EX-Israeli citizen), to serve ass White House Chief of Staff tells the tale. Business ass usual! Israel first! Amerika $econd. Mr. Obama is bending over for Israel's lobbying group in $ewertown: AIPAC. How ironic that Amerika's first black president endorses racism and apartheid in Palestine. Shame on ewe Obama!

Original commentary from GUY FOX in Havana c/o: R.R.R. at oldcoyoteknose@yahoo.com 11.13.08 - 3:52 pm | #

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I Worked For a MAJOR British Company For Over 20 Years
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 4:56 PM   
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My Job Was in COMPUTING

It was my job to ensure that the computer systems I helped built and program

Worked incredibly reliably

One Hours Downtime Was Completely Unacceptable

It might mean that an Engineer couldn't get out to do his job in the middle of winter

To keep people WARM

You see keeping People Warm in the Middle of Winter in The Local Community is Really Important

So I Reckoned I Had a Really Important Job

And I Was Determined To Produce The Highest Level of Service Availability In The World

It Said 99.9% on The Tin

And WE Fucking DELIVERED - For Over 6 Years

Then they Fired Me

Tony

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Give me a break
Posted by: aftercancer on Nov 13, 2008 4:57 PM   
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Can we let the guy get into office before he's expected to change 8 years of neglect, fraud and deceit?

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» RE: Give me a break Posted by: peacefullaim
We Walked Along The Canals in Lancashire And Met The People From The Boats
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 5:45 PM   
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All The Canal Boats were Decorated in a Most Beautiful Way - They Lived on Their Canal Boats All Through EVERY Year and had been doing for Years

They had Pretty Gardens All Over anywhere where it was possible to grow Flowers on their Long Thin Canal Boats

And Maybe 1% had a windmill - but that was a bit of a joke

All The Canal Boats Had Bags of Coal To Keep Them Warm Over The Winter

They have No Running Water

They have No Electricity

And They Might Have a Bit Of Bottled Gas

And a Bit of Diesel Fot The Boat's Engine

But It is The COAL That is Going To Keep Them Alive This Winter in LANCASHIRE

Tony

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And So Us in England Have Been Spiining a Story With The Help Of George Soros
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 6:20 PM   
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About Windmills Across America

Whilst We Have Already Started Building NEW NUCLEAR POWER Stations

And You Don't Think Us BRITISH Don't Know What They Are Doing

I have sent $10 to The Second Harvest

FeedAmerica

http://www.feedamericafirst.com/

Or

http://feedingamerica.org/

Tony

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Database Working Independently In Parallel
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 6:33 PM   
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Hardware Working Independently In Parallel

Independent Communications Links Working Independently in Parallel

You have to write the scripts yourself to monitor everything that could possibly go wrong and have at least two independent methods of communicating any failure to the person responsoble for ensuring that the network works at 100%

Automatically at any time 24x7x365.25

And then you beef it up to triplicate

And then you can maintain 99.9% Service Availability over 6 Years

Such that they don't even realise that you exist

Because it works perfectly

And they let you leave

With a Great Pension and Lump Sum

Tony

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It's Not About Passing Secrets To Muslims in Iran About Developing Nuclear Power
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 7:02 PM   
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Its about working with them trying to discover something even better and more reliable.

The Iranians are even better than the Israeli's

And in Reality all the top scientists from all over the world work together to find the way forward

Science and Progress are completely Independent of Nationality and Religion and Politics

You don't honestly thing George Bush or Tony Blair are of the slightest interest?

Tony

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If Anyone In NORTHERN AMERICA Thinks The South Are Going To Keep Them Warm With Dipping Ducks...
Posted by: opmoc on Nov 13, 2008 7:19 PM   
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Well Us in ENGLAND are Building Loads of Nuclear Power Stations

Sure we have our Windmills and Solar Panels Too...

They look very Pretty

Tony

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RED ALERT, RED ALERT, Congress and the Leaders are above the Law
Posted by: common intelligence on Nov 13, 2008 9:03 PM   
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I highly suggest everyone you can talk to here or there, to make every effort to push congress to impeach before Bush let's himself off the hook or Congress does.

It is highly critical to prove you vote worth while by insisting Obama doesn't cave like Pelosi in pushing forth serious proceedings now.

Read this Red Alert

Please help us launch a massive movement against pardons by signing our petition to Congress and telling your friends:
STOP BUSH FROM ESCAPING

DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN. It's there future.

The signs are all pointing to continues corruption.

As in an accompanying Article on the subject, as being told to us, Obama wanting Lieberman to "stay" is another strike against him.
The first of course was appointing Erhm Emnauel to Chief of Staff.

So now we have a duel citizen Israeli zionist with personal special interest and Lieberman, another zionist linking up with interests that are more foreign than our own nation.

Let's see now. HE's going to have the treasury keep printing up inflationary fake money based on debt too.
The nation is in an undeclared depression. Taxing in any form a citizenry to "bailout" a completely debunked economic model based on debt?
Man, doesn't anyone get it yet? How can people be expected to keep track of every dime they make and pay taxes, and keep track of "Legal deductions" to avoid paying "unnecessary" tax "to the penny?

But the government can "round off", stealing and giving money away to a criminal bunch of racketeers, to the nearest Billion, as if a million dollars is chump change.

Why in hell should anyone pay taxes when we don't have health care medical care, social security, fascists still embedded in the government..........man the list is getting crazy and going on and on.

I suppose he's going to suck up to Pelosi too?

Political bait and switch is in full propaganda mode.

It all reminds me of that scene in "Aliens" Where Segorny Weaver find the little child hidding in a corner in a ventalation duct. Then she tells the little girl, "Everythings going to be all right now".

The little girl replies, "No, nothing is going to make a difference , they (the Aliens) will never stop coming. We're all going to die".

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exactly ,especially when the british vultures are encircing again-the english plan to stay in afgans
Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 14, 2008 2:53 PM   
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the british plan to stay long will be very dangerous for all the nations in central asia including India (of which leadership is in british pocket at the moment.). do we not know how evil thse british bastyrds are? do we have to seek any more justification to remove and elminate this parasite english race from the face of the earth?
read this from the horse's mouth--

" Page 2 of 2
Afghanistan abyss awaits Obama
By M K Bhadrakumar






Their buzzword is "regional security". Britain has also echoed it by coming up with a parallel idea of regional security, whereby regional players such as Pakistan, Iran, India, China and Russia along with the US and Britain will be brought into a structure, a consultative mechanism, as "stakeholders". The British ambassador in Afghanistan, Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles, visited Tehran a fortnight ago to sound out the Iranians. He visited Delhi over the weekend, and told the media, "Our strategy is of a politically-driven, security-led counter-insurgency strategy and more coherent, sustained international support for Afghanistan and its government. What we want to do, for good counter-insurgency reasons, is to get our troops out of direct combat operations. So it is Afghans doing the fighting, not foreign forces."
The Foreign Affairs article charters a breathtaking landscape that all but ensures that Obama will lose his way and will never get anywhere near an Afghan settlement in the four years ahead of his presidency. Britain, while setting the tempo for Obama, focuses on itself as remaining a key player. But Sir Sherard's play of words apart, the ground situation is grim for Obama.

On Tuesday, Germany's Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung said Berlin would resist any US pressure to send troops to strife-ridden southern Afghanistan. Spain openly called for changes to the Western strategy after the killing of two Spanish soldiers in a suicide attack in the western city of Herat on Sunday. Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos has been quoted as saying, "The debate must not be about sending more troops, but about how to carry out a political and military strategy that will put an end to the situation of instability."

Canada has reiterated its decision to pull out its troops by 2011. In Britain, according to an opinion poll released on Wednesday, 68% said British troops should be taken out of Afghanistan by 2010. The head of the British armed forces, Air marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, warned against Obama's idea of sending more troops to Afghanistan, similar to the "surge" in Iraq in 2007. He told the BBC, "Even if the situation demanded it, it cannot be just a one for one transfer from Iraq to Afghanistan, we have to reduce that tempo … I am a little nervous when people use the word 'surge' as if this were some sort of panacea."

Tehran has lost little time to rubbish Sir Sherard's proposal. At an international conference on Afghanistan at Dushanbe on Tuesday, attended by a senior US State Department official, the Iranian delegate ambassador Ali Ashar Sherdoust said Western countries and mediators should leave the issue to the Afghans and let them decide their fate. He stressed that Iran opposed the continued presence of foreign forces and their interference in the internal affairs of Afghanistan. Sherdoust ridiculed the "countries thousands of kilometers away" from Afghanistan which are insisting on running the country's affairs while "ignoring the interests" of Afghanistan's neighbors.

The British game plan is partly at least to spike the parallel initiative by the SCO to hold a special conference on Afghanistan. The US and Britain have been resisting repeated attempts by the SCO and the Collective Security Organization to play a role in Afghanistan. They have so far ensured that NATO's role has remained exclusive.

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CAN EVERYONE JUST BACK OFF?
Posted by: sumac3 on Nov 14, 2008 6:24 PM   
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Geez, the right wing never stop, the Dems took a deep breath also and started right in on Obama and Limbaugh has pronounced this "The Great Obama Recession." (Or depression. Or whatever, I forget.) His KIDS can't even try and pick out their OWN PUPPY without one group picking it and another group already naming it!

Whatever happened to the First 100 Days Grace Period? Obama will be the first President to be robbed of even THAT courtesy.

Can everybody just SHUT UP and give the grownups a little bit of peace and quiet? At least until after... Thanksgiving?

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interesting video
Posted by: Von on Nov 14, 2008 10:14 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aIvfFq3BA&feature=related

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Obama!
Posted by: TheAntagonist on Nov 15, 2008 11:02 AM   
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Don't tread on our Messiah! I want to have his children (regardless of the fact that I'm a man)!

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» OBAMA: DONE NOTHING YET Posted by: reelman
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