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Republican Fears of an Obama Landslide Victory Unleash Civil War within the Party

By Tim Shipman, The Telegraph (UK). Posted October 26, 2008.


Senior Republicans believe Barack Obama will have more political power than any president in a generation.

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Aides to George W.Bush, former Reagan White House staff and friends of John McCain have all told The Sunday Telegraph that they not only expect to lose on November 4, but also believe that Mr Obama is poised to win a crushing mandate.

They believe he will be powerful enough to remake the American political landscape with even more ease than Ronald Reagan did in 1980.

The prospect of an electoral rout has unleashed a bitter bout of recriminations both within the McCain campaign and the wider conservative movement, over who is to blame and what should be done to salvage the party's future.

Mr McCain is now facing calls for him to sacrifice his own dwindling White House hopes and focus on saving vulnerable Republican Senate seats which are up for grabs on the same day.

Their fear is that Democrat candidates riding on Mr Obama's popularity may win the nine extra seats they need in the Senate to give them unfettered power in Congress.

If the Democrat majority in the Senate is big enough - at least 60 seats to 40 - the Republicans will be unable to block legislation by use of a traditional filibuster - talking until legislation runs out of time. No president has had the support of such a majority since Jimmy Carter won the 1976 election. President Reagan achieved his political transformation partly through the power of his personality.

David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter, told The Sunday Telegraph that Republicans should now concentrate all their fire on "the need for balanced government".

"It's hard to see a turnaround in the White House race," he said. "This could look like an ideological as well as a party victory if we're not careful. It could be 1980 in reverse.

"With this huge new role for federal government in the economy, the possibility for mischief making is very, very great. One man should not have a monopoly of political and financial power. That's very dangerous."

In North Carolina, where Senator Elizabeth Dole seems set to loose, Republicans are running adverts that appear to take an Obama victory for granted, warning that the Democrat will have a "blank cheque" if her rival Kay Hagen wins. "These liberals want complete control of government in a time of crisis," the narrator says. "All branches of Government. No checks and balances."

Democrats lead in eight of the 12 competitive Senate races and need just nine gains to reach their target of 60. Even Mitch McConnell, the leader of Senate Republicans, is at risk in Kentucky, normally a rock solid red state.

A private memo on the likely result of the congressional elections, leaked to Politico, has the Republicans losing 37 seats.

Ed Rollins, who masterminded Ronald Reagan's second victory in 1984, said the election is already over and predicted: "This is going to turn into a landslide."

A former White House official who still advises President Bush told The Sunday Telegraph: "McCain hasn't won independents, nor has he inspired the base. It's the worst of all worlds. He is dragging everyone else down with him. He needs to deploy people and money to salvage what we can in Congress."

The prospect of defeat has unleashed what insiders describe as an "every man for himself" culture within the McCain campaign, with aides in a "circular firing squad" as blame is assigned.

More profoundly, it sparked the first salvoes in a Republican civil war with echoes of Tory infighting during their years in the political wilderness.

One wing believes the party has to emulate David Cameron, by adapting the issues to fight on and the positions they hold, while the other believes that a back to basics approach will reconnect with heartland voters and ensure success. Modernisers fear that would leave Republicans marginalised, like the Tories were during the Iain Duncan Smith years, condemning them to opposition for a decade.


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OMFG
Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 26, 2008 10:36 AM   
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"The prospect of an electoral rout has unleashed a bitter bout of recriminations both within the McCain campaign and the wider conservative movement, over who is to blame and what should be done to salvage the party's future."

LOL. Who is to blame? Who is to blame? How about an ideology designed to rob and disempower the entire nation (save for a few) that succeeded fantastically at doing just that. The wonder is that it took this long. It's absolutely guaranteed that the success of such an ideology will ultimately lead to its rejection, the rate of which is inversely related to the intelligence of the average voter (snark snark).

"David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter, told The Sunday Telegraph that Republicans should now concentrate all their fire on "the need for balanced government"."

LMAO. Now all of a sudden they're calling for balance. I remember when they were in ascention, they called balance gridlock. I'd like to tell him, "F*ck you!" myself.

"With this huge new role for federal government in the economy, the possibility for mischief making is very, very great. One man should not have a monopoly of political and financial power. That's very dangerous."

The unmitigated gaul is almost choking me. Absolutely shameless.

"I don't know that there's a lot of realism in the Republican Party. We have an economic message that is largely irrelevant to most people.

Ya think?

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Frack the Republicans ...
Posted by: Dankhank on Oct 26, 2008 10:40 AM   
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The repug party, home of closet adulterers/pederasts/, is shaking apart from self-administered poison. The poison is the message of hate and fear promulgated by faux-Americans gleefully applauding neo-Luddite cant denying the efficacy of fruit fly based investigation.

How small-minded can they get? Next to come is a speech on the inability of Liberals to breathe properly and why wont they stop?

You nasty, snarky death wish-spouting louts will get everything you deserve if the landslide happens. I promise not to rub your noses in it, though it's what you deserve. I'll just give you that Palin wink, you know what it looks like.

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» RE: Frack the Republicans ... Posted by: ranchero42
28 years of domestic abuse
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Oct 26, 2008 10:50 AM   
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...and it looks like maybe the 50% of the American people who loved it want to try something else.

jdfu!

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Just another "scare the base" tactic....
Posted by: CatDad on Oct 26, 2008 10:52 AM   
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he will be powerful enough to remake the American political landscape with even more ease than Ronald Reagan did in 1980.
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As with "Joe the Plumber," the Right is grasping for anything and everything they can use to scare voters into voting for McCain...now it's fear of one-party control....ironic because the GOP seemed to have no trouble at all with this issue from 2000-2006 when THEY were the ones with one-party control.

"Remaking" the American political landscape is an absurd premise and scare tactic...at best, Obama and a Democratic Congress "might" be able to undo "some" of the damage to our nation that was done under six years of oppressive, same-part rule by the Republicans. Obama will be inheriting a bleak economic landscape with no room for "Great Society" like programs....this was an intentional result of deliberate deficits under Bush and Reagan....if they can't destroy the New Deal with legislation...then they will destroy it by bankrupting the nation...

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» RE:huh? Posted by: Techubus
Cakewalk, like Iraq
Posted by: TomTom on Oct 26, 2008 10:55 AM   
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Let’s hope the ensuing civil war to be a cakewalk, like Iraq! So that the Democrats will have a chance to implement some progressive agenda without being obstructed.

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TimS
Posted by: TimS on Oct 26, 2008 11:14 AM   
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Run Sarah Palin for president in '12? Please, please do it. If a guy like Obama doesn't get 8 years and if the elephants return to the room too soon, the world will cook in it's own greenhouse gas. Someone who will listen to and act on science, not corporate profit and personal hubris is the only hope for the majority of the worlds cultures. I think Obama is just an intelligent realistic human being who wants a future. The repubs picked McCain and yeah, they can go swing with him. We get the government we deserve by electing it.

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» RE: TimS Posted by: IPF
» RE: TimS Posted by: Karl.Ben
» Just STFU Posted by: LMNOP
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» RE: Just STFU Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: Just STFU Posted by: Drclaw
» RE: TimS Posted by: dmmaze6
A previous post worth repeating: "Rogue Palin"
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 26, 2008 11:27 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The following news report was published yesterday by AOL.

Palin 'Going Rogue,' McCain Aide Says

CNN
(Oct. 25) - With 10 days to go until Election Day, long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense they are spilling out in public, sources say.

Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue." A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.

McCain sources say Palin has gone off message several times, and they privately wonder if the incidents were deliberate. They cited that she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.

A second McCain source tells CNN she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."

End of extract.

My take on "Rogue" Palin is this: Sara for president in 2012? HAH, HAH, HAH, HAH. HAH, HAH...

Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
Eight reasons to vote against John McCain

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Bring It On
Posted by: radical53 on Oct 26, 2008 11:30 AM   
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In 1964 there was a similar event. Barry Goldwater (far right) was nominated for President by the Republicans. Nelson Rockefeller (moderate) gave a very long speech at the convention basically eviscerating Goldwater and the party that nominated him, in great detail.

Folks like Richard Nixon gave speeches to try to make Goldwater seem more reasonable and temperate. Goldwater, however, gave a fiery acceptance speech in which he stated that, "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" Goldwater then went on to lose in one of the biggest landslides in history.

By the way, Goldwater's Senate seat was filled after his retirement by John McCain.

I would love to see it all happen again. In fact, I'd love to see them go a step further and split into 2 parties: the Pro-Constitution Republicans and the Anti-Constitution Republicans. Bring it on!

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» RE: Lol, I actually agree. Posted by: Techubus
The many follies of John McCain...
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 26, 2008 12:18 PM   
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His folly of pissing off classmates in high school which earned him the nickname "McNasty."

His folly of not studying and breaking regs at the U.S. Naval Academy, causing him to graduate fifth from the bottom of his 800-midshipmen class.

His folly of crashing four Navy planes by flying recklessly.

His folly of not following Navy tactical bombing procedures, causing him to get shot down during the Vietnam War,

His folly of making propaganda radio broadcasts while a North Vietnamese prisoner of war in return for hot coffee and cigarettes, a blatant violation of the U.S. Code of Conduct for POWs.

His folly after being released fom the Hanoi Hilton of cheating on his disabled wife who had spent nearly all her waking hours trying to make life easier for him as a POW.

His folly of betraying the families of missing U.S. airmen in North Vietnam by prematurely shutting down the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POWs/MIAs and sealing their DOD records, including his own.

His folly of participating in the Keating Five S&L scandal.

His folly of catering to lobbyists and special interest groups during his 26 years in the Senate.

His folly of singing, "Bomb, bomb, bomb...Iran" to a Beach Boys tune.

His folly of supporting Bush's 2001 tax cuts after claiming they were unfair to working Americans.

His folly of saying during the 2008 presidential campaign that refusing early release from North Vietnam while a POW was his greatest test of courage when all he did was follow orders.

His folly of picking unqualified Sarah Palin for his running mate.

Finally, his folly of attacking Barack Obama's character instead of explaining how he would save our faltering economy and create jobs.

Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
Eight reasons to vote against John McCain

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» Can you be right? Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: Can you be right? Posted by: kclaf
THE ONLY CHANCE FOR AN OBAMA VICTORY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 26, 2008 12:28 PM   
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From the very beginning he had to win by a huge landslide or not at all. By the time the Repubs got through whining about voting machines and going to the Supreme Court it would have been a disaster. They're about to have their arses handed to them across the country. Obama appealed to the people aware of the times we live in. If we can get our financial house in order, stop frightening the rest of the world and get back the right to earn a living we'll be just fine. The crazies that came out to see Palin will go back under their rocks and just pass the time being pissed off. Seems like their favorite past time. Here's hoping. ANNA

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No wonder rabid rightwing Republican voters are violently attacking the media on the blogs.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 26, 2008 12:31 PM   
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At this point, even the media has given up the prospect of a Mccain presidency even though they know Mccain's not out yet. Did any of you see the way people post brain-damaged comments without even knowing the candidates. America is filled with dysfunctional voters. I talked to some of my relatives in MO and OH and they say a lot of their neighbors, even the supposedly "liberal" ones, are still hell-bent on voting for Mccain because somehow Mccain will make them feel that "America will continue to feel the victory in Iraq and that jobs will magically be created as soon as more tax cuts are given to wealthy people and top management." I hate to say this but there are still a lot of "Joe the Plumber" ignorant assholes out there and they're the ones who are working hard as hell to make sure that Main Street does not fight for justice against the Wall $treet motherfuckers and their puppet pols who sold this country out. Plus, they want to "defend" Big Media, Big Religion, Big Military, Big Oil, etc ... even as they are the ones to suffer the most from it. Obama had better not pander to the rightwing or he's finished in 2012. I'm not happy with his pander-to-the-GOP voting record but he better prove to be a real progressive/liberal no matter what the rightwing motherfuckers wail about or he's DONE FOR ! The rabid righwing Republicans will always attack Democrats no matter what. The Democrats must learn to stop pandering to the Republicans or they will LOSE in 2010 and even 2012 and 2014 big time.

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» Reds and blues Posted by: suprmark
Intersting quote from David Frum:
Posted by: CanuckKid on Oct 26, 2008 1:03 PM   
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"With this huge new role for federal government in the economy, the possibility for mischief making is very, very great. One man should not have a monopoly of political and financial power. That's very dangerous."

Where were you when we needed that insight seven years ago, David...? Oh, right... you were writing speeches for GW Bush... interesting that the concentration of power in the White House didn't bother you much then - why should it now?

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» This statement... Posted by: BreeMass
There is just now breaking news...
Posted by: Quannah on Oct 26, 2008 1:03 PM   
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that four US helicopters and Special Ops have launched an incursion INTO SYRIA and killed 8 civilians. The Pentagon has said they are not going to comment on this... not now, or in the future.

The Syrians have said that this is a breach of their national sovereignty and they are demanding an answer. AND THEY ARE CORRECT! We do not have the RIGHT to do this!

The Bush Junta and the Republics will do anything... ANYTHING... including risking the lives of our own military, to try to pull the attention of the American people back onto the so-called "National Security" track. In the five years we've been in Iraq, we have NEVER attacked inside Syria. So, WHY NOW?

This is a nauseating attempt to scare the American people again by risking a huge escalation in the war to try to pull out a last minute win. How fucking pathetic!

This is an outrage!!!

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» You still don't get it! Posted by: Last Chance
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» My mistake, sorry --> Posted by: Last Chance
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Shame on you alternet
Posted by: iimcm on Oct 26, 2008 1:10 PM   
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This is a republican feed to the media, framing fears of an Obama landslide for: fill in the blank. It's their newest tactic, and it plays the liberal media like a fiddle. Come on, Alternet, get this off the front page.

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» RE: Shame on you alternet Posted by: Quannah
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MORE EVIL
Posted by: cbishopp on Oct 26, 2008 1:29 PM   
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Even if the republicans are crushed they will find new ways of wasting taxpayer time and money.
Let's not forget the ousting of Davis for Schwarzenegger in California or the whole Clinton impeachment sex scandal. Both of these little escapades slowed the already creeping process of government while wasting millions of taxpayer dollars and disrespecting the concept of definitive terms in office and general elections as a whole.
Democrats NEED a landslide. McCain is an awful looking old awkward angry candidate and Palin is just frightening. If they run her again she will have four years of coaching and product placement under her belt but still no real experience. It's just another beauty pageant to her. dance, baby, dance.
But to blame the candidate alone is unfair.

You could blame 9-11 and the resulting investigation which over time has been shown to be inaccurate and full of holes and directly manipulated by vice president Cheney, or maybe the last two obviously stolen elections and the contributing voter fraud perpetrated by Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris, then there are the two unsuccessful wars for which the administration fabricated evidence so as to become involved, let's not forget the ineffective, actually criminal reaction to hurricane Katrina and the resulting destruction of New Orleans (not from flood but both ineptitude and calculated callous greed), don't forget the republican connections to Enron and the raping of the California treasury, or, oh yeah, the TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS that have vanished or been awarded to republican backing contractors in Iraq, or the outing of Valerie Plame by Rove and Scooter's subsequent departure, or the blatant, illegal firing of justice department lawyers who would not get in line and Alberto Gonzales' resignation during the investigation, can anyone say Jack Abramoff??, or the refusal of anyone in this administration to cooperate with any of the many resulting investigations, there is the support of the use of torture and the inhumane treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib (with pictures and everything), then of course there is the imploding economy due very much to the republican policies started under saint Reagen of free market capitalism (which is another word for wealth reallocation on a massive scale), plus you got the the indictment of Ted Stevens and House majority leader Tom Delay, the firing of Paul Wolfowitz from the world Bank, or any of the multitude of sex scandals with men, women, boys, pages, bathroom attendants as well as Palin's own abuses of power in firing a state trooper for personal reasons (that's just a cherry on top).
When the republicans took over they had a surplus in the economy, held the reigns in both the Presidency and the Senate and briefly enjoyed a 90% approval rating (after 9-11).
Look what they did with it. great job, guys.
I am not saying that Democrats are not corrupt or particularly smart as a whole, or not guilty of aiding and abetting in any of the atrocities mentioned above, but the republican leadership has proven itself to be the most wasteful, fear preying, self centered, hawkish haters of the general population party for the last 40 years and most of these problems fall at their door. The names of the main players alone...Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby, and so on all connotate an abuse of power and a disregard for the American public and the natural seperation of powers designed by the Constitution.
They made it easy for the Democrats and if we are lucky they will have to sit in the back of the room and suck it up. But history repeats itself so I imagine Barrack will come in and try to organize things and he'll hopefully get the economy functioning and hopefully help rebuild the respect we have lost internationally as a result of republican leadership and then the American people will foolishly elect those idiots back in office and they will f*ck it up again

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Maneuvering for position before the real race begins...
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Oct 26, 2008 1:51 PM   
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You can really see the desperation of the Republicans in their marketing ploys - they keep trying to whip up a frenzy over one topic after the other.

The story of the 20-year McCain volunteer who beat herself up, carved a "B" into her cheek, and then claimed it was "a big black man" who did it - that says it all, doesn't it?

Here's the typical Republican take on that:

A truly gruesome attack occurred in a Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, suburb Wednesday evening, and given the political overtones, it's going to be very interesting to see how this disgusting incident gets reported by Obama-loving media.- Newsbusters

It does point to the major fault lines in the Republican Party, however - the ignorant bible thumpers and corporate energy conglomerates who back Palin (Alaskan pipeline and oil lease politics is what Palin is really all aobut), and the Ron Paul anti-Federal Reserve wing, who seem to get their backing from the more intelligent wing of the party, small businesses and the like.

There is also going to be a big struggle for the soul of the Democratic Party - on one hand, you've got corporate lobbyists, who are well represented on the Presidential ticket by Joe Biden and the anti-populist, anti-democratic, pro-NAFTA Democratic Leadership Council. On the other, you've got those Democrats who were willing to impeach Bush & Cheney, oppose NAFTA and promote the interests of ordinary Americans (yes, they're still in the minority, overall).

Will Obama balance the corporate wing of the Democratic Party with Dennis Kucinich-style members? Will there be a good balance on his cabinet? Will the head of the DOE be another coal executive? Will the head of Treasury be another Wall Street executive or investor? Is this going to be another Robert Rubin presidency, guided by the wisdom of another Alan Greenspan? Better hope not. Better do more than hope, actually.

Understand this: if Obama wins, it will ignite an all-out war within the Democratic Party between these two factions, while the Republicans will go hole up, lick their wounds and try to regroup.

In any case, the international corporate cartels in fossil fuels, agribusiness, pharmaceuticals, etc. - also known as the white-collar mafia - are going to make their voices heard, and are going to lean on every single politician they can to get their wishes granted - like a $700 billion taxpayer ripoff for the benefit of politically connected bankers - lot of good that did for everyone else, huh?

The public will have to push back, or the steady collapse of the U.S. economy and environment will continue as before. If the public goes quietly home after this election, then nothing at all will change - you can count on that.

The real struggle will begin the day after the election - that's what the lobbyists are waiting for right now, like runners warming up before a race.

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Biggest in history?
Posted by: Scientz on Oct 28, 2008 9:46 AM   
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As much as I love Obama, it will impossible to beat the landslides of Nixon and Reagan.

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Biggest in history?
Posted by: Scientz on Oct 28, 2008 9:46 AM   
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As much as I love Obama, it will impossible to beat the landslides of Nixon and Reagan.

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diction
Posted by: tonys9001 on Oct 26, 2008 4:13 PM   
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"In North Carolina, where Senator Elizabeth Dole seems set to loose,"

The word you're looking for there is "lose".

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Party politics at it's worst..
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Oct 26, 2008 4:18 PM   
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They both battle each other, change hands every so often and continue to chip away at our nation, with the exception of a few bright spots hear and there.

The thought of another "uniparty" government, like Bush 2 had, is frightening. The party that brought us housing for everyone, loans for all and banking regulations for no one is on the verge again of making another appearance!

If you thought this financial crises, compliments of the democrats was bad, wait for the encore!

The Obama, Pelosi, Reid show is about to begin!

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David Frum
Posted by: boing007 on Oct 26, 2008 5:14 PM   
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"With this huge new role for federal government in the economy, the possibility for mischief making is very, very great. One man should not have a monopoly of political and financial power. That's very dangerous."

It won't be just one man. Besides that, we just had I don't know how many years of a corrupt Republican Congress and Wall Street so what the hell are you screaming about?

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Third Party?
Posted by: Jeanne on Oct 26, 2008 7:15 PM   
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Maybe the rational, conservative by intellectual thought process Republicans will either secede from the GOP, or get the religious extremist faction to leave. The gods/guns/(anti)gay crowd should really have their own party. Their dogma requires inflexibility on those issues dear to their hearts -- the creationism, the anti-choice, the anti-homosexual, the anti-equal rights. Their party, be it the current Republican party or a new "GOD" party, should reflect their specific non-negotiable tenets. That way, the majority of non-extreme party members can focus on the social and economic issues that government properly should address. Although I doubt, now that the extremists have wrested control and influence, they'll be willing to go quietly.

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Pay Per View
Posted by: EinMD on Oct 26, 2008 7:55 PM   
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Please tell me the revolution will be televised. I'd like to see the Republicans tear each other apart like wild dogs. The Bible Bangers verses the fetus fetishists versus the Authoritarians versus the legendary Barry Goldwater Conservatives versus the Racists verses War Profiteers versus the Nationalist wackadoos.

Now THAT's entertainment.

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CommonDreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Oct 26, 2008 8:50 PM   
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At least Sen. Obama recognizes that extremism is bad. I think he is extremely thoughtful and will not allow such travesties - although it will be difficult. Surely the Dems can learn from the self-immolation of the GOP that gross extremism is bad.

Centrism has been vilified also. THis is wrong of the voters, the media and so on. Centrism is reasonable enough, run by either party, such that no one faction gets hurt too much. This time around the faction that got hurt was the middle and lower classes, in fact they have been blown apart by the worst, most unfair economic policies since the Depression.

Moderation in all things is still a great saying. And voters and politicians have to STOP NOW from insisting on extremism from their parties. This is where the greatest damage to societies occurs.

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If given a massive mandate, Obama better have the guts to use it.
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Oct 26, 2008 10:33 PM   
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He better bring about profound change, like universal health care, a sincere shift toward renewable energy, infrastructure repair, affordable higher education etc. The Republicans are toast. If the Democrats can't get our society on track with a huge mandate, like majorities in both Houses of Congress, in state houses, in governorships, in mayors, in municipal offices etc., then they're finished too, and it's time to consider a socialist party.

I am becoming convinced a popular socialist party is possible in the U.S. Take my father for example, a blue-collar guy through and through. A year ago he equated socialism with communism with U.S.S.R. style authoritarianism and often watched Fox News. Now, even though he's casting a straight Democratic ballot (he's always been a Democrat), he's more charged up about socialism than about the Democratic party. His standard for judging whether the Democrats are successful or are sell outs is whether they bring about socialist reforms: universal healthcare, employment programs (state-sponsored if need be), taxing the wealthy to diminish their power etc.

He even listened with great interest when I explained some key Marxist concepts to him, like capital and the surplus value of labor as the key to the bourgeoisie's wealth.

There is hope for socialism in the U.S. Now is the time to push for it. Try to convince the Democrats to go for sweeping social programs - a move to the left even gutsier than the move to the right when Reagan took office - and if they don't, then start backing socialists for office.

Socialism is very attractive for ordinary people when they learn what it really is. When it comes to universal healthcare, better pay, affordable higher education, renewable energy etc., there's really nothing for anyone except the wealthy to object to.

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Dear Joe Biden
Posted by: CosmoViking on Oct 27, 2008 6:28 AM   
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So what do you know, Joe? Your big mouth was once again within reach of a modern digital microphone, and you were making an exellent point on how they would test this new young President with an engineered crisis like "cuba in '61" and so on...

My question is simply this: Who's "they"?

The only organization I know of, that since the end of World War Two has colluded transnationally to engineer various crises, is the organization that was once known as ODESSA, its' OSS handler Allen Dulles and what used to be the Reinhard Gehlen Foreign Armies East Intelligence network.

For years, we have called it the CIA, BCCI, ISI and so on. So what gives, Joe?

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Fe-Fi-Fo-Frum
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Oct 27, 2008 7:44 AM   
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"Bush years were largely prosperous"

Maybe for you David.
American neo-con wannabe-ism won't endear you to either Canadians or Americans.

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A poem
Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Oct 27, 2008 9:48 AM   
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'Twas the night before elections
And all through the town
Tempers were flaring
Emotions all up and down!

I, in my bathrobe
With a cat in my lap
Had cut off the TV
Tired of political crap.

When all of a sudden
There arose such a noise
I peered out of my window
Saw Obama and his boys

They had come for my wallet
They wanted my pay
To give to the others
Who had not worked a day!

He snatched up my money
And quick as a wink
Jumped back on his bandwagon
As I gagged from the stink

He then rallied his henchmen
Who were pulling his cart
I could tell they were out
To tear my country apart!

' On Fannie, on Freddie,
On Biden and Ayers!
On Acorn, On Pelosi'
He screamed at the pairs!

They took off for his cause
And as he flew out of sight
I heard him laugh at the nation
Who wouldn't stand up and fight!

So I leave you to think
On this one final note-
IF YOU DONT WANT SOCIALISM
GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!

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McCain Republic Desperation Turns to MURDER ATTEMPTS to Silence Our Protests-PLEASE SPREAD!
Posted by: TruthSayer900 on Oct 27, 2008 4:21 PM   
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http://MCCAINATTACKS.BLOGSPOT.COM MCCAIN CORPORATE GREED Incites Kidnapping/Murder Attempts Upon Our Family To Silence our Online Protest Against Northwest Airlines- Official Airline Carrier for McCain Campaign, following vicious Northwest Air profiling attack leaving me hospitalized family friends terrorized years thereafter via covert state persecution:

McCain's TIES TO NORTHWEST AIR-Official airline Carrier of McCain *Campaign) at the Root of Murder attempts upon our lives.

We have received E- threats from FBI, and by way of phone, including threats from FBI agent Steven Davis citing McCain as a “Very good friend of his” amidst ongoing kidnapping attempts.
McCain campaign racism/bigotry mirrored in corporate ties to Northwest RE: Northwest's known ties to FBI via illegal 6000 CD release of passenger info. to FBI for racial profiling purposes. seen here (click)
FBI's Co-Intel Pro role is known for not only Water Gate, but also murder of civil rights movement leaders re: Malcolm_X, Fred Hampton, M.L. King and involvement in the abduction of John Graham (American Indian movement member kidnapped over FBI interests in South Dakota Uranium Ore mining for war munitions) and Maher Arar,Canadian kidnapped from JFK airport and taken to torture in Syria. (MaherArar.ca)
Northwest Air has been sued by ACLU, was in bankruptcy protection at the time of the attack/is now not only in a delicate merger with Delta, but the official carrier of the McCain campaign.

Ties between McCain/Republican Campaign and Northwest Air, the official Airline carrier for their campaign, coupled with the fact that McCain’s top executive legal council have Northwest and U.S. Chamber of Commerce as their top two clientele as exposed on the following sites: http://mccainsource.com/corruption?id=0006 and talkingpointsmemo.com
McCain well known for his *volatile temper (according to over 30 civilian and military sources)*Keating 5 Scandal, Investment savings and Loan, and his Exxon Oil 4.3 Billion tax relief initiative re: the bailout.

Stepping on McCain's Corrupt corporate agenda has precipitated attempts upon our lives

References:
Lesley Hughes Canadian Dimension Mag. Journalist 204 275 5757 e: lesleyhughescanada(at)yahoo(dot)com, Roche Tasse International Civil Liberties Monitoring Group Head 613 241 5298 e: rocht(at)iclmg(dot)ca; Michelle Gross Communities United Against Police Brutality e: mgresist(at)minn.net ph 612 703 1612

Extensive extrajudicial persecution (framed, covert tribunal housing FBI and NORTHWEST AIRLINES Airlines employees on a “jury pool”, threats, stalking, sabotaged mail ) prompted us to expose their crimes on line.

Our protests spawned repeated attempts towards kidnapping /murder by *criminally charged local Canadian police (acting without warrant or charges) on behalf of U.S. judicial and corporate factions including FBI CIA and NSA, in attempt to silence us.

Local Canadian Winnipeg police remain motivated by a close affiliation with MN Police: Wpg Police Chief Keith Mc Caskill is president of North West Chapter of Associates FBI with Minneapolis Police affiliation and was referenced by police upon the first kidnapping/murder attempt.

Terrorized now 3 years ongoing as police use covert tactics to effect attempts at kidnapping, having necessitated my going into hiding in remote locations for extended periods of time. We remain traumatized.

Contact Information:
Aaron James 204 296 6497; Linda James 204 509 9144/ 204 889 9134 e: resist1000@usa.com, gmail: jim457986@gmail.com ; Lindajames@mts.net

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The Conversation, by Many Voters....in this Middle Amreican State...say:
Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 28, 2008 7:34 AM   
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"I'm Not Voting for Either of the Mainstream Presidential Candidates... Their Crap is Deeper than Waist-Deep...worse than any Presidential Candidate, America has Ever Had"..
WELL....WE'LL JUST HAVE TO... TAKE A SEAT & WAIT... just Like Patients do in an Emergency Room in a Hospital... No Matter How Ill, you might be....
One American Lady

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Kudo's to OMFG... SPOT ON!!!
Posted by: snowdude38 on Oct 28, 2008 3:11 PM   
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Once again the Neo-Cons use their magical refracting skills to project what they themselves are guilty of (for the lasting freaking 8 years!!) back onto the Dems!!!

This will be the big test for the Dems and for all of us as the progressive base, to keep our Dem representatives on track and on message 24/7/365... and not fall into the same bottomless pit of crap that the neo-cons took all of us into over the last 8 years!!!

I say clean sweep, take out all of the repugnants, replaced with progressive Dems, Greens and Indi's. Hail - Hail the beast is dead, we now bury the GOP for all eternity so it may not waive its flag of hatred, fear and bigotry, for evermore.

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