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The Big Difference in Obama's and McCain's Plans for Our Energy Future

By David Morris, AlterNet. Posted October 23, 2008.


It's not so much about their goals as the tools they would use to reach those goals.

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A few weeks ago I was at Iowa State University addressing 500 students and faculty at its engineering school. I was sharing a platform with former CIA Director Jim Woolsey. At one point, a student asked our views on the presidential candidates' energy programs.

I responded that the essential difference between Obama and McCain is not in their goals as much as it is in the tools they would use to reach those goals. Obama believes in the active use of government authority; John McCain does not. McCain's self-declared heroes, Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, galvanized and led a movement whose principal thesis is that government is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Woolsey, a principal McCain energy adviser, disagreed. McCain's hero is Teddy Roosevelt, Woolsey observed. That is true. "My hero is a guy named Teddy Roosevelt," McCain has declared. But aside from his high regard for TR's physical bravery and his outspokenness, I can't imagine which Rooseveltian actions he would embrace. John McCain circa 2008 is the antithesis of Teddy Roosevelt circa 1908.

TR had an almost visceral hatred of big business and a vigorous desire to increase government authority to curb private abuses. His attorney general brought 44 suits against big businesses. One led to the breakup of Standard Oil, a favorite target of Roosevelt's anger, into 30 smaller companies. TR proposed a national incorporation law to curb corporate power, since state licensing had allowed companies to shop around for the least restrictive state in which to incorporate.

TR wanted to limit the use of court injunctions against labor unions. He wanted to introduce a federal income tax and an inheritance tax. He was the first U.S. president to come out in favor of national health insurance.

John McCain, on the other hand, wants to reduce income taxes and virtually abolish the inheritance tax. He has favored deregulation in virtually all sectors, including energy. He actively supported the 18-month effort by Republicans to prevent the extension of renewable energy incentives unless the Democrats eliminated a proposed windfall profit tax on major oil and gas companies that would pay for these incentives.

In one instance, the Senate voted 59-40 to close off debate, one vote short of the required 60. McCain was the only senator who did not vote, even though he reportedly was in Washington at the time. Teddy Roosevelt would have both condemned his political convictions and scorned his lack of courage in not voting at all.

The Wall Street Journal compared Obama and McCain's energy programs and concluded that John McCain is no Teddy Roosevelt. "Although the candidates have similar goals, they would pursue drastically different paths to achieve them." McCain's energy plan "argues for a more hands-off approach" from government.

In keeping with his hands-off policy, the centerpiece of McCain's governmental program for energy independence, unveiled during the summer, is a $300 million prize for a new car battery.

When asked by the environmental Web site Grist about his vote against incentives for renewable energy, McCain responded, "I'm not one who believes that we need to subsidize things. The wind industry is doing fine, the solar industry is doing fine." Almost everyone agrees that if the wind and solar incentives were allowed to expire at the end of this year, a prospect avoided only when the Senate added the incentives to a revised bailout bill, renewable energy expansion would have ground to a halt.

Obama has supported a 25 percent national renewable electricity mandate. McCain has voted against it. He also voted against a 10 percent mandate.

Obama believes renewables can and should play an important and perhaps primary role in our energy future. McCain does not. "If you maximized renewable energy in every possible way, the contribution that that would make, given the present state of technology, is very small," McCain told one audience. "The truly clean technologies don't work."

Both Obama and McCain support the use of nuclear energy and clean coal. But McCain sees these as the key twin foundations of our future energy supply. He wants to have 45 new nuclear reactors in place by 2030, with two new reactors every year from now until then. "Nuclear power has got to be a very big part of any effective action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," he said.

Obama is much more cautious in his embrace of nuclear power. Moreover, he opposes dumping the nation's radioactive waste in Nevada's Yucca Mountain. McCain supports it. It is very unlikely that we will see a resurgence of nuclear reactors if their host communities must also host permanent radioactive waste depositories.

Obama views efficiency as a key tool in reducing greenhouse gases and moving toward energy independence. McCain has voted against raising the fuel efficiency standard for cars and against higher efficiency standards for air conditioners.

McCain has gotten enormous mileage out of his support for climate change legislation. Just last Sunday a New York Times headline read, "On Global Warming, McCain and Obama Agree." But once again, McCain's approach is a far less activist one than Obama's. Obama, for example, wants to auction off 100 percent of the emission permits to businesses. McCain wants to give most of them away to polluters.

When asked about state and regional efforts to cap greenhouse gas emissions in a debate a few weeks ago, McCain energy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin called state efforts "costly and uncoordinated" plans that will interfere with a nationwide scheme. He wants the federal government, in essence, to preempt state initiatives. Obama's energy adviser, Dan Esty, disagreed. He praised the leadership of states on the issue and said, "Those are very important starting points" for a national program.

When it comes to energy and climate change, McCain and Obama use similar language. They both want energy independence. They both want dramatic greenhouse gas reductions. They both support renewable energy. Both talk about the urgent nature of the energy problems facing us. But in Washington, words are cheap. The proof of the pudding is in the actions they propose to meet their goals. And when it comes to actions, a vast difference exists between the two camps. Teddy Roosevelt would have had no trouble identifying the one that most reflected his philosophy.

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Talk is cheap-Presidents are Puppets of Big Business
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 23, 2008 5:12 AM   
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Congress has proven to be complicit and completely in the pocket of the military industrial oil central banking complex together with AIPAC relative to Middle Eastern affairs.

The system is so corrupt that no politician no matter who he is will have much say in what is going on.

Go to my website which is www.911insidejob.net.

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Madness Versus Rational Thinking
Posted by: Last Chance on Oct 23, 2008 5:42 AM   
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The oil barons, the coal barons and the nuclear entrepreneurs all need and want an ever-growing population so they can forever grow their industrial power base to become millionaires, billionaires, and who will be the first trillionaire? Thus, they refuse to admit the Earth has a limited capacity to absorb our waste and garbage. They just want more of everything forever and ever.

But this leaves the people hooked on relentless growth and social chaos following behind the corporate greed that cannot be satisfied as it drives us into global energy wars while it pollutes and destroys the environment.

Instead, we need a stable population that consciously lives in balance with the Earth's ability to support us, and that means a World economy that do NOT grow, but serves the needs of a smaller human population, in which case there will be plenty of resources for everyone around the World! No more energy shortages, no more black-outs, no more pollution, no more profiteering, no more boom and bust, no more poverty, no more wars - only the people living the happy life they themselves create and share with each other.

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I agree that nuclear fuel should not be wasted in Yucca Mountain.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 23, 2008 5:49 AM   
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Yucca Mountain contains an enormous supply of nuclear fuel that
should not be wasted. We don't recycle nuclear fuel because
spent fuel is valuable and people steal it. The place it went that it
wasn't supposed to go to is Israel. This happened in a small town
near Pittsburgh, PA circa 1970. A company called Numec was in
the business of reprocessing nuclear fuel. I almost took a job
there, designing a nuclear battery for a heart pacemaker. [The
army offered me more money to work on nuclear weapons
effects.] [A nuclear battery would have the advantage of lasting
many times as long as any other battery, eliminating many
surgeries to replace batteries.] Numec did NOT have a reactor.
Numec "lost" a quantity of reactor grade uranium. It wound up in
Israel. The Israelis have fueled both their nuclear power plants
and their nuclear weapons by stealing nuclear "waste." See:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/
x/pittsburghtrib/news/specialreport
s/buriedlegacy/s_87948.html
It could work for any other country, such as Iran or the United
States. It is only when you don't have access to nuclear "waste"
that you have to do the difficult process of enriching uranium,
unless you have a Canadian "CANDU" reactor or a British
Magnox reactor, both of which run on unenriched uranium.
Numec is no longer in business. The reprocessing of nuclear fuel
in the US stopped. That was the only politically possible solution
at that time, given that private corporations did the reprocessing.
My solution would be to reprocess the fuel at a Government
Owned Government Operated [GOGO] facility. At a GOGO
plant, bureaucracy and the multiplicity of ethnicity and religion
would disable the transportation of uranium to Israel or to any
unauthorized place. Nothing heavier than a secret would get out.

I have no financial stake in the nuclear power industry, and I
never have. Nobody is paying me to say this.

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» Your Proposal Posted by: Last Chance
Proper law to lower CO2 production:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 23, 2008 6:25 AM   
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The proper way to write a law to require the use of NON-fossil-fuel
energy to make electricity is to cap and lower the carbon dioxide
put into the air per 1000 megawatt years. Do it on a company-by-
company basis, not a power-plant-by-power-plant basis. A coal
fired power plant produces 14.7 million tons of CO2 per 1000
megawatts in one year. Lower the amount of CO2 allowed per
1000 megawatt years each year. Allow the private sector to figure
out how to do it. If you just require that a certain percentage of
power come from renewable resources, the production of CO2 will
diminish only slightly because of the "Spinning Reserve" problem,
described below.

Wind energy wastes energy because the wind varies so much that
a "spinning reserve" is required in most locations. The coal fire
has to be kept burning so that the steam turbine will keep spinning
fast enough to generate electricity instantly when the wind dies.
If you are running the steam powered generator at the spinning
reserve rate, you may as well use the steam as your energy source
and forget about the wind. Wind turbines are decorations, not
sources of energy for the grid until we have room temperature
superconductors or super batteries. There are special locations
and circumstances where wind energy is useful, but wind cannot
replace coal and nuclear any time soon. The object of the new
law must be to shut down coal fired power plants by replacing
them with base load sources that don't make CO2.

We don't have batteries that are good enough and cheap enough to
solve the problem of wind variability yet. We need research into
energy storage and room temperature superconductors. The
research will take an unknown amount of time. We don't have
that time. Batteries and room temperature superconductors have
been under research for a very long time already, so don't expect
any breakthroughs next week.

There is one and only one practical way to replace coal fired
power plants at the present time. That one way is nuclear power.
Nuclear power works for base load and nuclear power is clean and
safe. Nuclear fuel is recyclable. There is no such thing as
nuclear waste. Since we need to build 10,000 new nuclear power
plants worldwide to replace coal fired power plants, there will be
more than enough jobs. Nuclear power is the greenest.

I am NOT connected with the nuclear industry in any way. I am
a retired Department of the Army civilian engineer and scientist.

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COAL contains a lot of Uranium
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 23, 2008 6:41 AM   
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Coal is almost pure carbon, except for the URANIUM, ARSENIC, LEAD,
MERCURY, Antimony, Cobalt, Nickel, Copper, Selenium, Barium, Fluorine,
Silver, Beryllium, Iron, Sulfur, Boron, Titanium, Cadmium, Magnesium,
Calcium, Manganese, Vanadium, Chlorine, Aluminum, Chromium, Molybdenum
and Zinc that are coal's impurities. Coal smoke and cinders are commercially
viable ORE for the above elements. Coal also contains organic hydrocarbons.
Chinese industrial grade coal is sometimes stolen by peasants for cooking. The
result is that the whole family dies of arsenic poisoning because Chinese
industrial grade coal contains large amounts of arsenic. Coal varies a lot.
You have to analyze it not only mine by mine but even lump by lump.
Reference:
OUR NUCLEAR FUTURE:
THE PATH OF SELECTIVE IGNORANCE
by Alex Gabbard
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Oak Ridge, TN
Selections from the 19th Annual Conference
SOUTHERN FUTURE SOCIETY
March 14,15,16, 1996
Nashville, Tennessee

Published by the
SOUTHERN FUTURE SOCIETY
1996
Edited by Jack D. Arters, Ed.D.
Conference Director
The truth is, all natural rocks contain most natural elements. Coal is a rock.
The average concentration of uranium in coal is 1 or 2 parts per million. Illinois
coal contains up to 103 parts per million uranium. A 1000 million watt coal
fired power plant burns 4 million tons of coal each year. If you multiply 4
million tons by 1 part per million, you get 4 tons of uranium. Most of that is
U238. About .7% is U235. 4 tons = 8000 pounds. 8000 pounds times .7% =
56 pounds of U235. An average 1000 million watt coal fired power plant puts
out 56 to 112 pounds of U235 every year. There are only 2 places the uranium
can go: Up the stack or into the cinders.
Since a reactor full fuel load is around 11 tons of 2% U235 and 98% U238, and
one load lasts about 10 years, and what one coal fired power plant puts into the
air and cinders fully fuels a nuclear power plant.
Compare 4 Million tons per year with 1.1 tons per year. 1.1 divided by 4 Million
= 2.75 E -7 = .000000275 =.0000275%. Remember that only 2% of that is
U235. The nuclear power plant needs ~44 pounds of U235 per year. The coal
fired power plant burns coal by the trainload. The nuclear power plant consumes
U235 in such small quantities yearly that you could carry that much weight in a
briefcase.
See also: http://www.ornl.gov/ORNLReview/rev26-34/text/coalmain.html

Coal is a $100 Billion per year industry in the US alone. That is why stopping
coal is going to be difficult.

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What the coal companies know that Alternet doesn't:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 23, 2008 6:51 AM   
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As long as you keep messing around with wind, solar, geothermal and wave
power, the coal industry is safe. There is no way wind, solar, geothermal and
wave power can replace coal, and they know it. If you quit being afraid of
nuclear, the coal industry is doomed. Every time you argue in favor of wind,
solar, geothermal and wave power, or against nuclear, King Coal is happy.
ONLY nuclear power can put coal out of business. Nuclear power HAS put coal
out of business in France. France uses 30 year old American technology. So
here is the deal: Keep being afraid of all things nuclear and die either when [not
if] civilization collapses or when H2S comes out of the ocean and Homo
"Sapiens" goes extinct. OR: Get over your paranoia and kick the coal habit and
live. Which do you choose? I put quotation marks around "Sapiens" because it
is not clear that most of us have enough brains to avoid extinction when it is
clearly predicted and the safe path has been pointed out. Nuclear is the safe path.

PS: My numbers are correct. Nuclear is the cheapest and safest source of
electricity. Nuclear life cycle CO2 output is the lowest per kilowatt hour because
it takes a huge number of windmills or solar collectors or wave machines or
whatever to produce the same power as a nuclear power plant. All of those
windmills or whatever have manufacturing processes that make CO2. Hydro
power requires an enormous amount of concrete. The first step in making
concrete is heating limestone to drive off the CO2. That is one of the sources of
CO2 from hydro power. The price for electricity for the various sources of
power include the total life cycle costs. The cost to build the reactor is not much
different from the cost to build a coal fired power plant and the money comes
from the same source. There is no $765 Billion tab. Whoever would pay for
the reactor is the same person who would pay for the coal burner. LOOK at the
price for the electricity. It is the total life cycle cost. Nuclear is the cheapest and
the only full time replacement for coal. Nuclear power would be much cheaper
than it is if nuclear were allowed to be as unsafe as the other sources of power.
Nuclear power plants are self-insured. Tax money is NOT involved and would
not be mentioned if it were not for the civil disturbances caused by coal company
shills, alias protesters. The nuclear industry needs and deserves protection from
people who are obviously either mentally ill or very misinformed. When tax
money is mentioned with respect to nuclear power, the money is the extra money
that is wasted because of pointless protests.

I DO NOT work for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. I am a retired
Department of the Army scientist and engineer.

There is NO SUCH THING as nuclear waste. There is fuel that is being wasted
for political reasons and because the coal industry has driven you paranoid. The
coal industry's reason for doing so is the $100 Billion per year cash flow they
receive as long as you remain in your present mental state. If you remain in your
present paranoid state and prevent the conversion from coal to nuclear, we all die,
as I said before. The cure for your present mental state is for you to go to
college and get a 4 year degree in a hard science [physics or chemistry] or
engineering, or for Americans to start acting like the French with respect to
nuclear power.

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grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 23, 2008 7:04 AM   
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"Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear Energy" by Gwyneth
Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens
is a former anti-nuclear activist.

Page 13 has a chart of greenhouse gas emissions from electricity production.
Nuclear power produces less greenhouse gas [CO2] than any other source,
including coal, natural gas, hydro, solar and wind. Building wind turbines and
towers also involve industrial processes such as concrete and steel making.

Nuclear power plants produce a total of 30 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour, the
lowest. This is the full life cycle CO2 output. There are no hidden CO2 outputs.

Wind turbines produce a total of 58 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Solar power produces between 100 and 280 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Hydro power produces 240 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Natural gas produces between 439 and 688 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Coal plants produce the most, between 966 and 1306 grams of CO2 per kilowatt
hour, the highest.

Remember the total is the sum of direct emissions from burning fuel and indirect
emissions from the life cycle, which means the industrial processes required to
build it. Again, nuclear comes in the lowest. Nuclear would produce even less
CO2 per kilowatt hour if the safety were lowered to the same level as other
sources of electricity. Switching from coal to nuclear is a 97% reduction in
electricity's 40% of our CO2 output. The refereed scenarios from the IPCC
failed to hold the CO2 down to 450 parts per million. You can't without building
something like 10,000 new nuclear power plants world wide to replace every coal
fired power plant on the planet. The 10,000 includes replacing all Generation 1
[Chernobyl style] power plants with safe American Generation 4 technology.
Let's get it done.

Page 211: In 2005, the production cost of electricity from:

nuclear power on average cost 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.00 times nuclear's
price. This is the full and total price. There are no hidden costs. There are no
subsidies. There are no tricks. 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour is all of it.
Supposed subsidies cover the cost caused by irrational protesters. That is a cost
of civil order, not a cost of nuclear power.

from coal-fired plants 2.21 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.28 times nuclear's price

from natural gas 7.5 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.36 times nuclear's price

from oil 8.09 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.7 times nuclear's price

Wind fits in here.

solar in a sunny place 22 to 40 cents per kilowatt-hour 12.79 to 23.26 times
nuclear's price

American nuclear power reactors operated in 2005 around the clock
at about 90 percent capacity

geothermal plants operated at 75 percent capacity

coal-fired plants operated at about 73 percent capacity

hydroelectric plants at 29 percent capacity

natural gas from 16 to 38 percent capacity

wind at 27 percent capacity

solar at 19 percent capacity

[Batteries not included but required for wind and solar. Why did wind and solar
operate so far below capacity? Simple: Wind power never works when the
wind isn't blowing. Solar only works at maximum during the noon hour. Wave
power only works when the waves are the right height and the generator hasn't
been washed away in a storm.]

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» The nuclear industry is self-insured. Posted by: AsteroidMiner
Government Meddling has Caused the Problem
Posted by: websmith on Oct 23, 2008 10:30 AM   
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When the government decided to regulate energy, every special interest in the world swarmed on them like flies. The result is that foreign oil now has a death grip around our throats.

Thanks to a grass roots movement by farmers and independent power companies, wind farms and solar projects exist in 34 states. This has been primarily facilitated by tax credits. This is money that the feds are not supposed to have and if they didn't have it, it would be in the hands of the people who are implementing the wind farms and they wouldn't need it.

Thanks to the bickering back and forth between the Senate and Congress, the solar and wind energy industries that were growing at 30% have flattened out. Plans and projects have been put on hold.

For these reasons, the Constitution does not allow the federal government to regulate energy. If the feds would just return the money to the population and stay out of the way, we would be implementing renewable energy like gangbusters. The more the feds get involved, the more they mess things up.

http://ewebsmith.com/home/taxcredits.html

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Clean coal negates any paltry 25 percent renewables
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 23, 2008 9:02 PM   
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Uh yeah "vast differences"... well, no, not substantively... they just aren't. Not when clean coal (a scientific oxymoron, sorry, it's total horseshit, people) is involved. Coal negates any use of renewables that doesn't outstrip it by some 40 times (you'd have to have more than 300% renewables... and uh, like "clean" coal, that's impossible).

So chew on the fat some more, David, it don't a mean shit o' difference between how these two corporate shills "plan" for energy policies or how they view the use of gubamint to do it when their actual substantive energy allocations mean carbon chaos and abject global warming disaster.

Only the Greens (and rumor has it Nader's plan too) talk about decentralizing and localizing grids, which is the only way renewables actually work cheaply in the first place, and NO coal or nukyuhler horseshit there either.

But hey, who gives a shit, if Obama wins all the libs get their moshiach and the country goes to shit with a less soiled diaper than if the Republikaaner fascists seize power and shit on every last woman man and child on the face of the earth.

Neither corporate serf's energy plan is substantively different enough to matter nor to amount to much at all except complete climate disaster. That's the facts, jack.

Big. fucking. deal.

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» republikaaner? Posted by: bingahaba
RP
Posted by: rav933 on Oct 24, 2008 9:41 PM   
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the failed economy of today is the direct result of the economic policies of the democratic Clinton regime and Alan Greenspan, what happened in the late 90’s as far as the US economic policies is the main reason for the downrurn seen a decade later. Ecomnomies are not driven by changes made a year or two ago but a result of changes with repurecussions a decade later. Which is why, we are in this dire strait, due to the democratic socialist policies of Clinton which were put into play by one Alan greenspan

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Natural Background Radiation according to Gwyneth Cravens
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 26, 2008 9:18 PM   
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Reference: "Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear
Energy" by Gwyneth Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about
nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens is a former anti-nuclear activist.

Page 35: Your golf clubs may contain depleted uranium [DU].
Don't worry, and don't confuse DU with spent fuel. DU is what is
removed from the uranium to make it enriched in U235. DU is
pure U238. U238 has such a long half life that it is almost not
radioactive. DU is safe to handle, but don't eat it because it is a
chemical poison. Heavy metals in general are poisons, radioactive
or not. DU has other uses that depend on its high density.

Page 70: Natural background radiation where the author happens
to be at the time is higher than what people living at Chernobyl are
getting. The US national average background radiation is 360
millirems/year.

Page 71: The natural background radiation in northeastern
Washington state is 1700 millirem/year.
The natural background radiation on the Zuni uplift is 500 to 700
millirem/year.
The natural background radiation in New Mexico is greater than the
calculated dose from the Three Mile Island meltdown, if you were
next to the reactor.
A chest x-ray gives you 10 millirem.

Page 72: The natural background radiation inside Grand Central
Station is 600 millirem/year because Grand Central Station is made
of granite. [ALL rocks are radioactive.]
The allowed exposure to the public from a nuclear power plant is
15 millirem/year.
A set of dental X-rays gives you 39 millirem.

Page 74: Smoking a pack and a half of cigarettes a day gives your
bronchial airways 1300 millirems/year according to the NCRP or
8000 millirems/year according to the National Academy of
Sciences.

Page 76: The cancer rate in New Mexico is much lower than the
national average but the natural background radiation is much
higher than average. The highest rates of cancer are around heavy
industry, chemical factories and petrochemical factories. [Benzene,
a petroleum distillate, is a very powerful carcinogen.]

Page 77: Natural gas contains radon, a radioactive gas.

Page 86: Among 80000 nuclear bomb survivors from Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, the cancer rate was only 6% higher than expected.
Radiation is very weak at causing cancer.

Page 90: At Chernobyl, only 13 to 30% of the reactor's 190 metric
tons of fuel evaporated. .13X190=24.7 tons.
.3X190=57 tons. [Much lower than the previous estimate of 200
tons, and trivial compared to what coal fired power plants give
you.]

Page 98: There is a table of millirems per year from the
background in a list of inhabited places. Here are some of them.
Chernobyl: 490 millirem/year
Guarapari, Brazil: 3700 millirem/year
Tamil Nadu, India: 5300 millirem/year
Ramsar, Iran: 8900 to 13200 millirem/year
Zero excess cancer deaths are recorded. All of the above readings
are natural except for Chernobyl.

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James Lovelock on Nuclear Waste
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 26, 2008 9:27 PM   
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"The Revenge of Gaia" page 91: "A television interviewer once
asked me, "But what about nuclear waste? Will it not poison the
whole biosphere and persist for millions of years?"" I knew this
to be a nightmare fantasy wholly without substance in the real
world. I also knew that the natural world would welcome nuclear
waste as the perfect guardian against greedy developers, and
whatever slight harm it might represent was a small price to pay.
One of the striking things about places heavily contaminated by
radioactive nuclides is the richness of their wildlife. This is true
of the land around Chernobyl, the bomb test sites in the Pacific,
and areas near the United States' Savannah River nuclear weapons
plant of the Second World War. Wild plants and animals do not
perceive radiation as dangerous, and any slight reduction it may
cause in their lifespans is far less a hazard than is the presence of
people and their pets. It is easy to forget that now we are so
numerous, almost anything extra we do in the way of farming,
forestry and home building is harmful to wildlife and Gaia. The
preference of wildlife for nuclear waste sites suggests that the best
sites for its disposal are the tropical forests and other habitats in
need of a reliable guardian against their destruction by hungry
farmers and developers."

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Natural Background radiation that has always been there.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 26, 2008 9:37 PM   
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation

Background radiation is the ionizing radiation from several natural radiation
sources: sources in the Earth and from those sources that are incorporated in our
food and water, which are incorporated in our body, and in building materials and
other products that incorporate those radioactive sources; radiation sources from
space (in the form of cosmic rays); and sources in the atmosphere which primarily
come from both the radon gas that is released from the earth's surface and
subsequently decays to radioactive atoms that become attached to airborne dust
and particulates, and the production of radioactive atoms from the bombardment
of atoms in the upper atmosphere by high-energy cosmic rays. Since 1945 it also
comes from low levels of global radioactive contamination due to nuclear testing.

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Natural background radiation

Natural background radiation comes from three primary sources: cosmic radiation,
terrestrial sources, and radon. The worldwide average background dose for a
human being is about 2.4 mSv per year. This exposure is mostly from cosmic
radiation and natural isotopes in the Earth.

Cosmic radiation

The Earth, and all living things on it, are constantly bombarded by radiation from
outside our solar system of positively charged ions from protons to iron nuclei.
This radiation interacts in the atmosphere to create secondary radiation that rains
down, including X-rays, muons, protons, alpha particles, pions, electrons, and
neutrons. The dose from cosmic radiation is largely from muons, neutrons, and
electrons.

The dose rate from cosmic radiation varies in different parts of the world based
largely on the geomagnetic field and altitude.

Terrestrial sources

Radioactive material is found throughout nature. It occurs naturally in the soil,
rocks, water, air, and vegetation. The major radionuclides of concern for terrestrial
radiation are potassium, uranium and thorium. Each of these sources has been
decreasing in activity since the birth of the Earth so that our present dose from
potassium-40 is about 1⁄2 what it would have been at the dawn of life on Earth.
Some of the elements that make up the human body have radioactive isotopes,
such as potassium-40, so there is also a very small amount of internal radiation.

Radon

Radon gas seeps out of uranium-containing soils found across most of the world
and may concentrate in well-sealed homes. It is often the single largest contributor
to an individual's background radiation dose and is certainly the most variable in
the United States. Many areas of the world, including Cornwall and Aberdeenshire
in the United Kingdom have high enough natural radiation levels that nuclear
licensed sites cannot be built there—the sites would already exceed legal radiation
limits before they opened, and the natural topsoil and rock would all have to be
disposed of as low-level nuclear waste.

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The exposure for an average person is about 360 millirems/year, 80 percent of
which comes from natural sources of radiation. The remaining 20 percent results
from exposure to artificial radiation sources, such as medical X-rays and a small
fraction from nuclear weapons tests.

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Reference:
http://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/publications/2000_1.html

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Waste Isolation Pilot Plant in New Mexico
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 26, 2008 9:55 PM   
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"Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear Energy" by Gwyneth
Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens is
a former anti-nuclear activist.

Page 140: "Troublemakers know we humans instinctively tend to" think of the
worst case as the prediction. People think the false urban legends about
Chernobyl are the norm. [Human instincts were evolved over the past 400
Million years of pre-stone-age. Human instincts are no longer applicable, but,
without training as a scientist, most people operate instinctively. Your instincts,
and mine, are just plain wrong.] Probabilistic Risk Assessment is a much better
method of making decisions, but it requires a lot of science, math and computer
time. We have accumulated 12 Thousand reactor years of safe operation.
[Chernobyl is unlike any reactor in the western world. American reactors can
NOT do what Chernobyl did.]

Page 187: The health effects of the Three Mile Island meltdown were
psychological.

Page 197: "If you live within fifty miles of a coal-fired plant, you're exposed to
0.03 millirem a year. Living near a nuclear plant exposes you to 0.009 millirem a
year." "Those [soft coal burning] plants give off four hundred times more radio
nuclides a year than a nuclear plant-one to four millirem." "In the United States in
1999, coal combustion produced over 1,000 tons of uranium and 2,500 tons of
thorium. This is enough fissile material to exceed the amount consumed by all the
nuclear power reactors in the country in a year. After World War II, when
scientists believed uranium to be rare, they considered extracting it from fly ash."

Page 249: "The manufacture of photovoltaic panels requires highly toxic heavy
metals, gasses, and solvents that are carcinogenic. ........ If a residential fire burns
a solar panel, people would be at risk for exposure to toxic vapors and smoke, ... .
If modules are dumped into municipal landfills, then heavy metals such as arsenic
and lead can leach into the soil and water table. Hundreds of thousands of years
from now, some of those substances will still not have decayed: their life spans are
essentially eternal."

Page 269: "[E]very day the collective households and industries of America
throw away nearly a million tons of garbage containing toxic heavy metals and
dangerous chemicals, as well as plastics that will never break down. That garbage
will be our culture's real legacy, enduring for millions of years after all the present
nuclear waste has decayed."

Page 290: There is a mistake: She says that the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant in
New Mexico is the only nuclear waste repository in operation. France has one.

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Why vote for Obama rather than McCain:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 26, 2008 11:30 PM   
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1. Obama would require ALL CO2 production to fall under the
cap and trade scheme. McCain would give freebies to the worst
coal burning power plants.

2. Obama would ask advice from unbiased real scientists, such as
the government's own, professors at universities and Nobel
laureates. McCain would ask advice from coal company
executives.

3. Obama has an obvious IQ advantage over McCain and Biden
has a very obvious IQ advantage over Palin.

4. Sarah Palin is obviously, demonstrably insane. Anybody who
thinks the earth is only 6000 years old has got to be crazy or living
in the 17th century.

5. If we don't take drastic action immediately, civilization will fall
when food production becomes impossible in the American
midwest. 99.99% of us will die in that fall, including YOU. It is
obvious from the above that McCain will not take the action
necessary. Obama will become a convert to my way of thinking
when he gathers his brain trust. McCain will never gather any
truly independent experts. Palin will take us backward and into
destruction.

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DONT VOTE FOR MCCAIN - YOU WILL REGRET IT
Posted by: cori on Oct 28, 2008 6:38 PM   
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1. FROM ROBERT KENNEDY JR. Don’t don’t don’t Mail In Your Ballot-unless... or those of you who mailed in your ballot, please tell me, what happened to it? You don’t know, do you? I can tell you that officially, three-fourths of a million absentee ballots were never counted last time, on the weakest of technical excuses. And you won’t even know it. Furthermore, tens of thousands of ballots are not mailed out to voters in time to return them - in which case you’re out of luck. Most states won’t let you vote in-precinct once you’ve applied to vote absentee. Every time I hear of a voter going “absentee” to avoid computer screens, I want to “go postal” myself. MCCAINE VOTED AS A NEOCON AGAINST BUSH IN 2000
But don’t throw out your ballot if you have a mail-in. Either mail it in, making sure to include ID if required (you first-time voters) or, better, WALK it into your county clerk’s office.2. Vote Early...very early
Every state now lets voters cast ballots in designated polling stations and at county offices in the weeks before Election Day. Do it. Don’t wait until Election Day to find out you have the wrong ID, your registration’s “inactive,” or you’re on a challenge list. By Election Day, there’s little to do but hold up the line. 3. Register and Register and Register
Think you’re registered to vote? Think again. With all this purg’n going on, you could be x’d out and you won’t know it. Check online with your Secretary of State’s office or call your County Board of Elections. Then register your girlfriend, your wife, your mailman and your mommy. Contact the Rainbow PUSH Coalition, the League of Women Voters, and your local party organization, and commit to a couple of days of door-to-door registration, especially in minority neighborhoods or at social service agency offices. And if you’ve served the time, you can sign: in almost every state, ex-cons can vote. 4. Vote Unconditionally, Not Provisionally
In 2008, they’ll be handing out provisional ballots like candy, especially to Hispanic voters. If your right to vote is challenged, don’t accept a provisional ballot that will likely not get counted no matter what the sweet little lady at the table tells you. She won’t decide; partisan sharks will. Demand adjudication from poll judges on the spot; demand a call to the supervisor of elections; or return with acceptable ID if possible. Defend the rights of others. If you’ve taken Step 1 above and voted early, you have Election Day free to be a poll watcher. Run into trouble¬-you’ve been caged or purged or challenged-call Election Protection at 1-(866) OUR-VOTE. Then challenge the challengers, the weird guys with Blackberrys containing lists of “suspect” voters. Be firm, but no biting.
5. Occupy Ohio, Invade Nevada Take the resistance door-to-door-to register the vote, to canvass the voters, to get out the vote. Donate time to your union (if you’re not in a union, why not?) or to the troublemakers I’ve already listed here and on our site. This may seem a stupendously unoriginal suggestion, but I know of no other method more effective for confronting the armed and dangerous junta that has seized the White House.
6. never vote alone. As our sponsor, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, says, make a date to ‘Arrive with Five.’ And keep this comic book in your holster - with our 800 numbers and your photo ID in your hand. And Bobby, make sure your ID says, “Robert Kennedy JUNIOR” or your vote is toast. 7. Make the Democracy Demand: No Vote Left “Count the votes.” You can have all the paper ballots in the world, but if you don’t demand to look at them, publicly, in a recount, you might as well mark them with invisible ink. Democracy requires vigilance The Day After. That’s when you check in at www.stealbackyourvote.org one more time.

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Price-Anderson Act (PAA) concerns Department of Energy contractors, NOT nuclear power plants.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 28, 2008 11:00 PM   
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From:
energy.gov
we find:
"The Price-Anderson Act (PAA) provides a system of indemnification for legal liability resulting from a nuclear incident in connection with contractual activity for DOE."

Contractual activity for DOE nas nothing to do with electric utilities' nuclear power plants.

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ALL religion, including Sarah Palin's religion, is caused by mental illness.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 28, 2008 11:08 PM   
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Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
The truth about religion can be found in these books and others:

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger. Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.

"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." Science is a process, not a religion.

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.

"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?

"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith

"God is not Great; how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens, 2007

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Religion is a SCAM and Sarah Palin is a DUPE.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 28, 2008 11:15 PM   
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As a sophomore undergraduate student in Physics, your homework in Probability
and Statistics class may include figuring out when the second coming would be
required, assuming that the bible was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when
would the bible be down to 50% true? The popular and professors' answer in
1965 was the year 500. The true answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in
Budapest, Hungary. As an adult, he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he
visited his home town of Budapest. He was unable to communicate with his high
school classmates because the Hungarian language had changed so much. The
correct answer is less than 25 years. The first gospel was not written down until
50 years after the alleged events and then in a different language. The people who
told the story were at about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean
Native Americans before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played
the game called "Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers.
By the Sixth re-telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel
story had to have been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first
time. [Note that whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever
he wanted to. The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text
by reading it. Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion:
There is no truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to
know what "jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or
did.

ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.". Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".

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