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The 10 Biggest Differences Between Obama and McCain That Will Affect Your Daily Life

AlterNet. Posted October 17, 2008.


The next president will influence everything from your Internet access to your ability to pay medical bills.
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When the polls open in 18 days, voters will be faced with a stark choice in presidential candidates -- a choice that ultimately comes down to one question: What do you want the next four to eight years of your life to look like? Because the next president will shape the issues that affect the way we live our day-to-day lives.

The future of Social Security, health care, education, income, employment, civil rights and democracy itself all hang in the balance. And the two candidates are worlds apart in their visions for the country.

From the fate of the Supreme Court to the future of Internet access, here are the 10 most important differences between Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain.

1. Who They Want to Tax

Tax cuts targeted at the wealthiest Americans during a period of runaway spending -- with hundreds of billions of tax dollars spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- have resulted in massive federal deficits.

Both Obama and McCain say they'll control spending and cut taxes, but they are miles apart on the question of who would get those cuts.

According to an analysis of his tax plan by the Tax Policy Center, Obama would cut taxes on the 95 percent of filers who make less than $227,000 per year and raise taxes on the 5 percent whose incomes exceed that amount. Compared with current policy, Obama's tax plan would increase government revenues by $627 billion over the next 10 years.

McCain would make Bush's "temporary" tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans permanent. His plan would cut taxes on top earners by $23,000 per year. He would cut taxes for all other Americans as well, but his cuts would only be deeper than Obama's for those earning between $112,000 and $227,000 -- about 20 percent of the population. Compared with current policy, McCain's tax plan would decrease government revenues by $595 billion over the next 10 years, meaning that new spending cuts would be necessary to avoid growing the deficit even larger.

2. How They Would Shape the Supreme Court

The Supreme Court regularly hears cases on everything from personal injury to sexual harassment to environmental health -- cases that set legal precedents and can affect our day-to-day lives for decades, even centuries.

Our next president could name as many as three new justices for the bench. John Paul Stevens, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter are all likely candidates for retirement, which means the new picks would be replacing three of the court's four moderate- to liberal-minded justices.

If Obama becomes president, the political calculus of the court will probably stay the same. If McCain becomes president, you can count on an influx of conservative ideology.

First up on the chopping block would be Roe v. Wade. McCain has already promised that much. And if something happens to McCain and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, takes his place, watch out. Not only does she want Roe overturned, she has made it clear that there should be no exceptions even in cases of rape or incest. Under her watch, a 12-year-old raped by her father would be forced to bear the child. For all of conservatives' talk about values, it's hard to imagine a worse way to start a family.

3. How They View Democracy

One of the biggest and clearest differences between Obama and McCain concerns voting rights. The Obama campaign believes in expanding the right to vote and has registered millions of new voters in 2008. The McCain campaign and the Republican Party believe in limiting voter turnout and have taken many highly publicized steps in swing states to suggest that Obama loyalists are plotting to vote illegally.

The McCain campaign has been criticizing voter registration efforts by the low-income advocacy group ACORN as an attempt to steal the election. The group registered 1.3 million voters in 2008, mostly young people, people of color and other working-class constituencies. State Republican parties, GOP prosecutors and sympathetic groups have been pursuing litigation and other legal tactics in key swing states -- notably Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan -- concerning the validity of voter rolls in order to create bureaucratic hurdles for election officials. This can only complicate the voting process on Election Day and create a climate to discourage new voters from casting ballots.

4. How They Want to Change the Health Care System

Middle-class Americans are now being priced out of health care. Nearly a quarter of Americans lack adequate health insurance to cover medical expenses, now the number one cause of family bankruptcies.

The current system is unsustainable, and the candidates' proposals for fixing it are as different as night and day. Obama's plan would drastically reduce the number of uninsured (from 47 million to about 18 million) and would require children to be covered; McCain's plan would have little effect on the uninsured population. Obama's plan would allow individuals who currently have employer-paid health insurance to keep their benefits; McCain's plan would begin the dismantling of the entire employer-paid system. Obama would create an additional social safety net: a public health plan that would give people without access to insurance through an employer or entitlement program like Medicare guaranteed coverage with the same comprehensive benefits that members of Congress now enjoy. McCain doesn't favor safety nets. Instead, he would place a $3.6 trillion tax on workers over the next 10 years and use revenue from that tax to give people a credit ($2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families) to purchase insurance on the open market. The trouble is, the average family policy costs $12,000, and it's much harder for an individual to negotiate good prices than an employer.


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Difference #11: Barack Obama is a decent and honorable man. John McCain is not.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 17, 2008 12:51 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Consider what the following REAL war heroes think of former POW McCain.

The late Colonel David Hackworth, popular TV commentator, Korean/Vietnam veteran, winner of 78 combat awards, including the Silver Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, Air Medal and eight Purple Hearts, said the following:

"The facts are that McCain signed a confession and declared himself a 'black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate.' This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement."

"The United States Navy says two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism. But for the valor awards McCain received, there were no eyewitnesses, less himself and his captors."

"McCain refused an early release. An act of valor? Three former POWs told me he was ordered to turn it down by his American POW commander and he 'just followed orders.'”

POW Gordon Larson told the Phoenix New Times he did not believe McCain had been tortured before his interrogations at a POW camp called "The Plantation," as claimed by McCain.

POW Phillip Butler, Navy pilot and U.S. Naval Academy graduate who spent more than eight years in North Vietnam as a prisoner of war, gave the following explanation about why he would not support McCain for the presidency:

"I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced firsthand. Folks, quite honestly, that is not the finger I want next to the red button."

Army Colonel Earl Hopper, a veteran of World War II, Korea and Vietnam whose son was shot down near Hanoi and killed, contends McCain gave information to his captors that helped them fine-tune their air defense system. Because McCain cooperated with the enemy in return for special favors and made radio propaganda broadcasts, the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him "Songbird."

POW Ted Guy, one of McCain's Senior Ranking officers at the Hanoi Hilton, longtime friend and admirer changed his mind about the Arizona senator's integrity. The reversal of opinion happened in 1992, after the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs and following a series of recorded phone calls with McCain. Said Guy, "I don't trust John anymore. I think he's a total liar."

POW John Dramesi, who escaped from the North Vietnamese, was recaptured and brutally beaten, and later became the chief USAF war planner in Europe and Strategic Air Command wing commander, alleges today that "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man. But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."

It's worth noting that ONLY one American POW has been honored by a statue in Hanoi. That person is Senator McCain.

Finally, if you're an undecided voter, learn about Songbird and his treasonous POW record by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)

Other websites freedom-loving Americans should visit, especially veterans like myself, are:
How McCain Betrayed His Fellow Vets
Iraq Vets Against the War
U.S. Veterans Dispatch
Vietnam Vets Against John McCain
Veterans Voice
Vote Veterans

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» Too funny Hugh Scott....... Posted by: Karl.Ben
» X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE
I don't want to be responsible for what either do.
Posted by: nihilozero on Oct 17, 2008 1:50 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Presidential politics are a game of bad cop & worse cop. I don't want to be mistreated by them nor do I want others to be mistreated by them. I will not choose the lesser of two evils when the evil of either could be so devastating. Between the saber-rattling towards Afghanistan and Iran, the eagerness of both to drill millions of acres, and the general neglect of civil liberties between them... I will not authorize or give my support to either of these candidates because I don't want to be responsible for whatever atrocities either inevitably engages in. Neither wants to do much real good while both have some horrible warmongering and environmentally destructive plans.
Nihilo Zero

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» I pity you because... Posted by: djnoll
What is this, opposite day?
Posted by: centure7 on Oct 17, 2008 2:12 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is absolutely grossly irresponsible... GROSSSLY IRRESPONSIBLE to be advocating tax cuts when the single most important thing our country has needed to do since at least 1998 (when Clinton was busy being an asshole by increasing our national debt), is to DECREASE our national debt. I have to wonder if candidates like Obama and McCain are specifically TRYING to drive our country to bankruptcy or if people like Obama and McCain (or basically any politician in office) are really that mentally retarded. The only people who have a right to even suggest tax cuts are those who justify their tax cuts with lower government spending. So that would leave about all but two or three members of congress who aren't being complete jerks by even suggesting tax cuts.

Then Alternet puts the abortion issue as #2, as if a most important pressing issue American's were facing is federal abortion legislation. Abortion is about the 30th most important facing America, if that. I think the fact that the #2 difference between McCain and Obama is their abortion position should be terrifying to people, as it shows their are almost no significant differences.

Then Alternet decides that Obama's position on expanding voting rights is some kind of difference. No, its trivial, and irrelevant. Now, there is actually one group of people who are systematically denied votes where the constitution does not seem to mention they should be denied voting rights. Nowhere in the constitution does it say being denied voting is a standard part of being convicted and going to prison. Yet Obama, who practically hates our beloved constitution though he damned well taught a class on it, has no intention to expanding voting rights to everyone who is constitutionally assured voting rights. The trivial number of additional voters by getting more poor voters registered would vote just as stupidly as the rich do any way, so it hardly starts to solve any problem I'm aware of.

The bottom line is McCain and Obama *love* big federal government programs that almost by definition flush ungodly sums of wealth down the toilet. That said, many of us could be homeless if Obama or McCain are successful in their outrageously mentally insane plans to cut taxes while raising government spending for yet another four years, so maybe this is more important than I think.

As for wanting the federal government to expand their effect on local health care, that is an absolutely insane idea. Such an overbearing, cumbersome, troll-like organization with a 20% or less approval rating has no business touching it. The feds are way over their line as it is, and are getting out of control. If health care needs regulations the states are absolutely perfectly equipped to handle that without the snakes in Washington contaminating it.

Clearly Alternet needs to write an article entitled "the biggest 10 non-differences between Obama and McCain".

Here are possible ideas for the title:
1. They both have no intention to pay down the federal debt, whatsoever, making them both brain-dead retards bent on driving the US to bankruptcy.
2. Without even having to check, I'm entirely sure they supported the $700B government check to rich bankers.
3. They both voted for the "patriot" ACT, so they are complete traitors who don't even deserve to live in America.
4. They both love big-ass bloated federal programs.
5. They both have no intention of reducing the 7,000,000 plus words worth of tax rules.
6. They both consistently lie.
7. They both will have at least some troops remaining in Iraq by the end of their term, meaning they are total liars when they act as if they ever want to withdraw from Iraq.
8. They both have no intention of withdrawing any troops at all from the over *****100**** countries we are in besides Iraq.

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» RE: What is this, opposite day? Posted by: CosmoViking
» RE: What is this, opposite day? Posted by: Heather Gehlert
» RE: What is this, opposite day? Posted by: peacefullaim
Dear Candidates
Posted by: CosmoViking on Oct 17, 2008 3:22 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
On an average day, 14 Veterans of Iraq, Afghanistan and the psychotic "War on Terror" (the 'ism is not even considered anymore, so it's a war on an emotional response?!?) in the US alone, commits suicide.
How do you account for this and how do you intend change it? Feel free to include a self-critical analysis on the historical incompetence of politicians and their use of military force.

At present the United States and its' corporate and profit dictated foreign policy is the most universally loathed on the Planet, despite the exellent relationship between most American citizens and frequent visitors such as myself. How do you feel about that and how do you intend to change it?

David Rockefeller has stated that the world would be much better off under a corporate one world governemt without nations. How do you feel about unwarranted influence from the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group and the Trilatral Commission; their outspoken disdain for the population at large and their central banking/wafare profit model? HOw do you intend to change it?

IN the many years since 1976 NASA has maintained - despite protests from astronomers all over the world - that Mars is a red, lifeless world with a red sky that is bone dry. Now that they have lost control of the data coming from various probes on and around Mars and it has been demonstrated that the critics were right: Mars is orange-brown like Arizona or Australia, has a pale blue sky (yes, you better have another look at Total Rekall and other Philip Dick stories) and is fairly pleasant around the equator with plenty of water in the soil. How do you feel about this and how do you intend reign in these scientific lies and why they are being perpetuated?
The military control of space is a reality today and has been for 50 years. Nothing has come of it except secrecy, billions and billions spent on surviellance technology, a secret space program behind the scenes and space based weapons. How do you intend to open up space and all secrecy attached to it?

Peace,
Tesla Forever.

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» RE: Dear Candidate Posted by: VZEQICVA
Inanity
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Oct 17, 2008 4:35 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obamarama or McCain will inherit the wind dear friends. Their respective blatherings on any of the designated subjects is irrelevant. With Robert Rubin likely succeeding Paulson under Obamarama or Phil Gramm under McCain, where is there any light at the end of that tunnel? Can suck be squared arithmetically? Consider it done. Then other stuff is inanity squared as well.

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» RE: Inanity Posted by: opmoc
» Height - the only thing that matters Posted by: MartianBachelor
It's gonna be ugly either way . . .
Posted by: newsound on Oct 17, 2008 5:54 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If Obama wins:
Those who truly dislike Obama (racists, extremists, homophobes, stupid southerners, Republicans, etc.) will spend every waking minute trying to bring him down. The videos from McCain rallies are proof of that.
If McCain wins:
Just read the differences above and imagine the way things are now . . only worse. McCain's administration will have to close the borders, not for people coming in, but people wanting to leave.

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» RE: It's gonna be ugly either way . . . Posted by: bloggeddowninMKE
» RE: It's gonna be ugly either way . . . Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» Point Taken Posted by: tommy_slothrop
Scary
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 17, 2008 6:24 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
So what it basically boils down to is if McBush wins next month, Main Street America is totally SCREWED. Personally, as much as McBush LIES, proving his word means nothing, I cant believe anyone would be takign him seriously.

Jiff
Privacy Center

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» RE: Scary Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Scary Posted by: madmac10
» RE: Scary Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: Scary Posted by: Sedona96
The evil of two lessers
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Oct 17, 2008 6:36 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There has been a lot of talk about "not wasting your vote" on 3rd party candidates. I've given this notion a lot of thought lately. A wasted vote is when you don't vote for the person you think will represent you the best. Maybe the best representative for you is Obama or McCain. If that is the case you are either a very rich bastard or, more likely, a brainwashed fool.

Voting for Obama or McCain means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting in favor of more foreign wars. It means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting to endorse their reprehensible actions on the financial crisis. It means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting in favor of being spied on and detained without charges. It means that YOU, the individual citizen, are voting in favor of surrenduring control of our nation to international bankers and corporations.

Obama has this thing wrapped up. He will win the election in November. Don't waste your vote by voting with the forces of old and evil. This time why don't you try embracing the quaint notion of voting for a good candidate instead of a Democrat or Republican?

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» RE: The evil of two lessers Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: The evil of two lessers Posted by: sirios
» RE: The evil of two lessers Posted by: Corruo
» RE: The evil of two lessers Posted by: sirios
» RE: The evil of two lessers Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: The evil of two lessers Posted by: sirios
» simplistic Posted by: Beck
» RE: simplistic. i am with Beck Posted by: whealeydj
McCain's DIRTY LITTLE SECRET in Arizona
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 17, 2008 6:37 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Did John McCain ever lift a finger to stop the human rights violations in Colorado City, Arizona, the largest polygamous enclave in America?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Arizona Senator Linda Binder talks about John McCain who wouldn't even return her calls when she asked for help.

While thousands of innocent Americans were forced into white slavery and young girls were raped by FLDS pedophiles, John McCain stood idly by.

Watch the video:

http://www.bankingonheaven.com/

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Reality Check
Posted by: IndispensiBill on Oct 17, 2008 6:48 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Let’s not forget, folks, these are the promises of politicians. HELLO! They’re politicians! Since when have their promises had even a passing relation to what they actually do when they’re in office? If you want a better barometer, don’t pay attention to their words, follow the money.

And if we follow the money, we see that they are beholden to the same interests. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors to make us think we really have a choice.


Bill McLaughlin

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Change is coming to America and the world!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Oct 17, 2008 6:54 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Your help is needed. If you're ready for change, please share this video with all of your family and friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN_pGy_1bEg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD0iAQN7VPY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpfHz_WeXHw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH9BtZwTyHo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVGsuNecYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UssvnQMn-EM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdfvQmh3b90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Enn5yiY-0



Go to youtube and do a search for "thinkverybig" and watch all of those videos. The one called "We Must Change" would be fitting to recite at Obama's Inauguration.

Here's a community organizer that's reached out to over 20,000 youth and has a goal of touching a million by teaching them the game of life using the game of chess. Click below to watch video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLFENGymr34

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Alternative?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Oct 17, 2008 7:02 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Isn't this the pun like Alternet supposed to provide it's readers-an alternative to the mainstream thought programmers of the MSM?


Well, you failed again. Why not just become a straight up shill?

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» RE: Alternative? Posted by: LeeAnnG
alternothing
Posted by: second party patriot on Oct 17, 2008 7:11 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
well, i looked at your home page to get a mission statement. none. so i'll give you one: alternet, we pretend we're hip but we're just repackaging the promotion of the one party system.

ok, so, you've shown us the differences between the corporate candidates. will part two discuss the differences between barr, mckinney and the true american hero, mr nader?

and why not? democracy- so 20th century.

alternet: clown puppets of the HOMELAND.

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» RE: alternothing Posted by: bcain
» RE: alternothing Posted by: Heather Gehlert
» RE: alternothing Posted by: DaBear
Do This
Posted by: Godfather89 on Oct 17, 2008 7:14 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Write an article are the startling similarities between the two. You will see that their two sides of the same coin and that while they have different paths their destination is the same.

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Stop pretending. There are no differences.
Posted by: lindat on Oct 17, 2008 7:41 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Look how fast Obama sold his supporters out on FISA and the Banker Bailout, which Democrats couldn't pass fast enough.

There is one party in America: The Business party, with two factions of Republican and Democrat to make people feel like they have a choice.

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Cool, poised & collected.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 17, 2008 7:53 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sen. Obama may have his issues, but he does grasp the detailed critical minutia that must be understood in order to attempt a coherent solution. Se. McShame on the other hand, has already said that he doesn't understand the economy! It is that very willful, entrenched stubborn misunderstanding that has lead us down our current path of destruction! Instead of a positive vision to lead this nation forward, McShame continues to used the Bushco vision of fear of the unknown! At this point I think it is McShame that is the unknown!

This nation put it's collective eggs in the basket of G.W. Bush and his cronies, the now corporate controlled media did not fulfill it's due diligence to the public; the American public was never informed of the rotten way that he ran Texas nor were they informed about the corporations that he ran into the ground! After 7+ years under a spoiled, incompetent Imperial Presidency, I think this nation can and should take a chance on an unknown that just might be able to lead us back to the right track!

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They're the Same
Posted by: websmith on Oct 17, 2008 8:19 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Both McCain and Obama are promising tax cuts and programs that have to be paid for. Obama is promising tax incentives to business and tax cuts for 95% of the population. McCain is promising tax cuts for everyone. At a time when the taxpayer base has been decimated, this only means that there will be more borrowing which will cause inflation and result in everyone paying more and your children and grandchildren being driven deeper into debt.

If you tax business, business raises prices to cover the tax and we pay the taxes. No matter which one of these guys is elected, we will pay.

Legislators and the banks have conspired to rip the wealth from the population. They shipped our jobs offshore, brought in millions of cheap foreign workers with H-1B visas and refused to protect us from an invasion of millions of illegal aliens. They have regulated energy to the point where up to $700 billion of our money is being sent out of the country to foreign oil producers every year and gotten us involved in an illegal war that serves only to give our money to the military industrial complex. They have allowed banks to take our money with loan shark type lending practices. They have legislated taxes, licenses and fines to the point where every single thing we do is now taxed.

There is no one left to sell products and services to.

It's time to make a change. http://ewebsmith.com/self/StandUp.html

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Obama, McCain & Peak Oil
Posted by: sunlakedude on Oct 17, 2008 8:22 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Neither candidate has addressed the looming worldwide shortage of oil. Alternative energies are fine but will take years to implement. In the meantime, one of our largest sources of crude oil, Mexico, will not be exporting any oil in 2 years. Where is the U.S. going to find oil to replace it with? With the rapid industrialization of China there is little spare oil on the world market. Worldwide oil production most likely peaked in 2005 and has been at a plateau phase ever since. Once production begins to decline, the real problems are going to show up. Remember the gas shortage in the Southeast U.S. after Hurricane Ike? That is a preview of what we can expect nationwide very, very soon.

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» RE: Obama, McCain & Peak Oil Posted by: sunlakedude
A more interesting view?
Posted by: Nodarse on Oct 17, 2008 8:32 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I’d like a few questions answered too.

1. Who They Want to Tax
Question: What law gives the President the authority to Tax?

3. How They View Democracy
Comment: If we were a Democracy, President Gore would be finishing his second term.

4. How They Want to Change the Health Care System
Question: What law gives the President the authority to decide Health Care issues?, and when was the last time they stayed home with a sick child?

5. Their Plans for Iraq
Question: When did Iraq become the 51st State?

6. Their Views on Energy
Question: Any of these candidates Engineers?

7. How They Treat Our Vets
Question: How will they treat vets that refuse to enforce the police state?

8. What They Think America's Young People Should Know About Sex
Question: Are these guys proposing a War on Sex?

9. Internet Access
Question: Can either of these candidates restart a modem?

10. Their Views on the Global Market
Question: When was the last time these candidates went to a supermarket, or pumped gas?

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» question 2. Posted by: weathered
Difference #12: McCain is a loose cannon UNFIT to fly and UNFIT to command.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 17, 2008 9:10 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
For proof, consider the following news report that was published recently by the Los Angeles Times.

Three crashes early in his career led Navy officials to question or fault his judgment.

By Ralph Vartabedian and Richard A. Serrano, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

October 6, 2008

John McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider on an overcast Texas morning in 1960 when he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay and sheared the skin off his plane's wings.

McCain recounted the accident decades later in his autobiography. "The engine quit while I was practicing landings," he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.

The 23-year-old junior lieutenant wasn't paying attention and erred in using "a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn," investigators concluded.

The crash was one of three early in McCain's aviation career in which his flying skills and judgment were faulted or questioned by Navy officials.

In his most serious lapse, McCain was "clowning" around in a Skyraider over southern Spain about December 1961 and flew into electrical wires, causing a blackout, according to McCain's own account as well as those of naval officers and enlistees aboard the carrier Intrepid. In another incident, in 1965, McCain crashed a T-2 trainer jet in Virginia.

As a presidential candidate, McCain has cited his military service -- particularly his 5 1/2 years as a POW. But he has been less forthcoming about his mistakes in the cockpit.

The Times interviewed men who served with McCain and located once-confidential 1960s-era accident reports and formerly classified evaluations of his squadrons during the Vietnam War. This examination of his record revealed a pilot who early in his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.

"Three mishaps are unusual," said Michael L. Barr, a former Air Force pilot with 137 combat missions in Vietnam and an internationally known aviation safety expert who teaches in USC's Aviation Safety and Security Program. "After the third accident, you would say: Is there a trend here in terms of his flying skills and his judgment?"

Naval aviation experts say the three accidents before McCain's deployment to Vietnam probably triggered a review to determine whether he should be allowed to continue flying. The results of the review would have been confidential.

The Times asked McCain's campaign to release any military personnel records in the candidate's possession showing how the Navy handled the three incidents. The campaign said it would have no comment.


End of L.A Times extract.

As a Vietnam veteran and former military pilot who flies single engine Cessnas, I wouldn't let McCain preflight my plane, much less get behind the controls.

Finally, if you're an undecided voter, learn the truth about Unfit McCain and his treasonous POW record by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)

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6. France can build a nuclear power plant in 5 years.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 17, 2008 9:12 AM   
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"Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear Energy" by
Gwyneth Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear
power. Gwyneth Cravens is a former anti-nuclear activist.

Page 249: "The manufacture of photovoltaic panels requires highly
toxic heavy metals, gasses, and solvents that are carcinogenic. ........
If a residential fire burns a solar panel, people would be at risk for
exposure to toxic vapors and smoke, ... . If modules are dumped
into municipal landfills, then heavy metals such as arsenic and lead
can leach into the soil and water table. Hundreds of thousands of
years from now, some of those substances will still not have
decayed: their life spans are essentially eternal."

Page 250: "Solar farms big enough to supply 1,000 megawatts per
year [sic] or more would cover over fifty square miles and produce
a quantity of toxic waste that would be significant."
"For the 70 to 80 percent of the time when nature isn't cooperating
[with your solar power scheme], you need the grid or a fossil-fuel
generator."

Page 251: Solar power requires cutting down trees to keep the
trees from shading your solar panels.
"Wind tends to fail during heat waves. ... Wind power turned out
to be highly unreliable, with capacity plunging from its usual 33
percent to 4 percent during the time of peak demand."

Page 257: World CO2 emissions from electricity generation come
to 9,500 million metric tons a year. Using a small footprint,
hundreds of nuclear plants in more than thirty countries cut carbon
emissions by 600 million metric tons every year."

Page 269: "[E]very day the collective households and industries of
America throw away nearly a million tons of garbage containing
toxic heavy metals and dangerous chemicals, as well as plastics that
will never break down. That garbage will be our culture's real
legacy, enduring for millions of years after all the present nuclear
waste has decayed."

Page 290: There is a mistake: She says that the Waste Isolation
Pilot Plant in New Mexico is the only nuclear waste repository in
operation. France has one.

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The list they don't want you to know...
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 17, 2008 9:30 AM   
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Hear's the real differences,hidden from the public eyes...and thank fucking God they did.
1. Obama uses five sheets of toilet paper,McCain uses five $100 bills.
2.Obama plays a drum made from his Father's goat skin, McCain has old goat skin.
3.Obama hangs it to the left, McCain hangs it to the right but fidgits with his balls alot.
4.Obama will spray on you if you're in the next urinal,McCain will shit himself if you shake his hand to hard.
5.Obama's a Hanes man, McCain wears Victoria Secret.
6. Obama can eat a whole turkey in one sitting,McCain can get a turkey enema in a hour.
7.Obama won't change a diaper,McCain needs a diaper.
8.Obama has a mole shaped like Lincoln,McCain has a boil that looks like Bush.
9.Obama has'nt changed his lucky underwear in 20 months,McCain has'nt worn underaear for 20 years
10.Obama has his ass-hair cornrowed,McCain has his ass-hair transplanted to his head.

Are'nt you glad they did'nt really give full disclosure of the candidates now.
Jeffrey7

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6. Let the engineers do the engineering. Politicians can't.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 17, 2008 9:30 AM   
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"Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear Energy" by Gwyneth
Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens
is a former anti-nuclear activist.

Page 13 has a chart of greenhouse gas emissions from electricity production.
Nuclear power produces less greenhouse gas [CO2] than any other source,
including coal, natural gas, hydro, solar and wind. Building wind turbines and
towers also involve industrial processes such as concrete and steel making.

Nuclear power plants produce a total of 30 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour, the
lowest. This is the full life cycle CO2 output. There are no hidden CO2 outputs.

Wind turbines produce a total of 58 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Solar power produces between 100 and 280 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Hydro power produces 240 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Natural gas produces between 439 and 688 grams of CO2 per kilowatt hour.

Coal plants produce the most, between 966 and 1306 grams of CO2 per kilowatt
hour, the highest.

Remember the total is the sum of direct emissions from burning fuel and indirect
emissions from the life cycle, which means the industrial processes required to
build it. Again, nuclear comes in the lowest. Nuclear would produce even less
CO2 per kilowatt hour if the safety were lowered to the same level as other
sources of electricity. Switching from coal to nuclear is a 97% reduction in
electricity's 40% of our CO2 output. The refereed scenarios from the IPCC
failed to hold the CO2 down to 450 parts per million. You can't without building
something like 10,000 new nuclear power plants world wide to replace every coal
fired power plant on the planet. The 10,000 includes replacing all Generation 1
[Chernobyl style] power plants with safe American Generation 4 technology.
Let's get it done.

Page 211: In 2005, the production cost of electricity from:

nuclear power on average cost 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.00 times nuclear's
price. This is the full and total price. There are no hidden costs. There are no subsidies. There are no tricks. 1.72 cents per kilowatt-hour is all of it.

from coal-fired plants 2.21 cents per kilowatt-hour 1.28 times nuclear's price

from natural gas 7.5 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.36 times nuclear's price

from oil 8.09 cents per kilowatt-hour 4.7 times nuclear's price

Wind fits in here.

solar in a sunny place 22 to 40 cents per kilowatt-hour 12.79 to 23.26 times
nuclear's price

American nuclear power reactors operated in 2005 around the clock
at about 90 percent capacity

geothermal plants operated at 75 percent capacity

coal-fired plants operated at about 73 percent capacity

hydroelectric plants at 29 percent capacity

natural gas from 16 to 38 percent capacity

wind at 27 percent capacity

solar at 19 percent capacity

[Batteries not included but required for wind and solar. Why did wind and solar
operate so far below capacity? Simple: Wind power never works when the
wind isn't blowing. Solar only works at maximum during the noon hour. Wave
power only works when the waves are the right height and the generator hasn't
been washed away in a storm.]

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Orwellian
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Oct 17, 2008 9:38 AM   
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The anonymous writer of this article seems to have only one problem with nuclear power, which is that it will take too long to establish. Nuclear power is the second scariest thing to me. The first is the shredding of our constitution with the laws and executive signing statements that have come to pass during the Bush regime, which go hand in hand with the rising police state. I would have liked to be convinced by this article. Every day I hope to see or hear something that will enable me to see this election as a tennis match in which you have to bet on one of two who are able to win. Part of the problem is the shutting out of third parties, who will be on the ballots, from debates. I've lived long enough to remember when third parties debated. I now live in a country where only the select two can debate, a country in which police can round up an entire park full of people peacefully and legally attending a concert, throw credential carrying reporters in jail, and get away with it. Electing either McCain or Obama will enforce the breakdown of our freedom and the end game of our constitutionally guaranteed liberties, in which case it won't matter who wants to tax, who wants to spend, who wants to keep wars going, who wants health care for all, who wants to keep the internet open. If one of the two major party candidates is elected, we continue down the path ruled by corporate thugs. Those thugs will continue to find ways to climb into our pockets and take what they want, while putting forth rhetoric that will convince just enough of the public that government by and for the people is a dangerous thing, and that we have to give up more and more of our liberties for our own safety. No reform that anyone hopes to see will matter in the long run, because the flow of power away from the constituents of elected representatives and toward the powerful multinational businesses that our representatives really serve, including the powerful defense sector, will continue. I maintain that there is a serious alternative: www.votenader.org

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Natural Background Radiation according to Gwyneth Cravens
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 17, 2008 9:45 AM   
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Reference: "Power to Save the World; The Truth About Nuclear
Energy" by Gwyneth Cravens, 2007 Finally a truthful book about
nuclear power. Gwyneth Cravens is a former anti-nuclear activist.

Page 35: Your golf clubs may contain depleted uranium [DU].
Don't worry, and don't confuse DU with spent fuel. DU is what is
removed from the uranium to make it enriched in U235. DU is
pure U238. U238 has such a long half life that it is almost not
radioactive. DU is safe to handle, but don't eat it because it is a
chemical poison. Heavy metals in general are poisons, radioactive
or not. DU has other uses that depend on its high density.

Page 70: Natural background radiation where the author happens
to be at the time is higher than what people living at Chernobyl are
getting. The US national average background radiation is 360
millirems/year.

Page 71: The natural background radiation in northeastern
Washington state is 1700 millirem/year.
The natural background radiation on the Zuni uplift is 500 to 700
millirem/year.
The natural background radiation in New Mexico is greater than the
calculated dose from the Three Mile Island meltdown, if you were
next to the reactor.
A chest x-ray gives you 10 millirem.

Page 72: The natural background radiation inside Grand Central
Station is 600 millirem/year because Grand Central Station is made
of granite. [ALL rocks are radioactive.]
The allowed exposure to the public from a nuclear power plant is
15 millirem/year.
A set of dental X-rays gives you 39 millirem.

Page 74: Smoking a pack and a half of cigarettes a day gives your
bronchial airways 1300 millirems/year according to the NCRP or
8000 millirems/year according to the National Academy of
Sciences.

Page 76: The cancer rate in New Mexico is much lower than the
national average but the natural background radiation is much
higher than average. The highest rates of cancer are around heavy
industry, chemical factories and petrochemical factories. [Benzene,
a petroleum distillate, is a very powerful carcinogen.]

Page 77: Natural gas contains radon, a radioactive gas.

Page 86: Among 80000 nuclear bomb survivors from Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, the cancer rate was only 6% higher than expected.
Radiation is very weak at causing cancer.

Page 90: At Chernobyl, only 13 to 30% of the reactor's 190 metric
tons of fuel evaporated. .13X190=24.7 tons.
.3X190=57 tons. [Much lower than the previous estimate of 200
tons, and trivial compared to what coal fired power plants give
you.]

Page 98: There is a table of millirems per year from the
background in a list of inhabited places. Here are some of them.
Chernobyl: 490 millirem/year
Guarapari, Brazil: 3700 millirem/year
Tamil Nadu, India: 5300 millirem/year
Ramsar, Iran: 8900 to 13200 millirem/year
Zero excess cancer deaths are recorded. All of the above readings
are natural except for Chernobyl.

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I Became Aware That The US Financial Capitalist System Had Been Infiltrated By Anarchists a Year Ago
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 9:47 AM   
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Call me naive if you like. I always realised the financial system was corrupt but I wasn't expecting to see the most blatant attempts at capital destruction coming from within the heart of capitalism itself.

The United States of America

I am English and a Capitalist

But I believe in Fair Play

What I became aware of wasn't Fair Play

It was completely outrageous

So why exactly are American "Capitalists" trying to destroy the most basic fundamentals of Capitalism?

Capital is for investment in People - Companies - To Produce Useful Products and Services

But it was as if The Communists had taken over the most Powerful Financial Institutions in America and They Became Hell Bent at Bringing Down Every Company They Could By Starving them of Capital and Shorting them to hell

It's as if they had managed to take control of all the Fresh Water Supply - but on a near Global Basis

And Refused Water to all but their Friends

And Set Fire To Everyone Else

America needs to get its house in order.

This simply is not good enough

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- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged
Posted by: cori on Oct 17, 2008 10:17 AM   
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THEY ARE WORKING HARD TO SEAL THIS ELECTION

- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.

While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.
A fired US prosecutor levels new charges -

accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."

Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle politics," report Kennedy and Palast, under the cover of fighting fraudulent voting, are "systematically disenfranchis[ing] Democrats."

Rule 1 don't send in your ballot
2 Be sure to register
3 VOTE AS EARLY AS YOU CAN

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11. The Most Important Biggest Difference
Posted by: rcarr on Oct 17, 2008 10:26 AM   
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In the debate, Senator McCain said: "Senator Obama voted against Justice Breyer and Justice Roberts on the grounds that they didn't meet his ideological standards."

However, Senator Obama was elected for the first time to the US Senate 10 years after Justice Breyer was confirmed. He didn't vote to confirm the Associate Justice.

Also during the debate Senator McCain referred at least twice to Sarah Palin's experience with "autism." Again he was confused. She has a child with Down's Syndrome.

While these could be considered minor gaffs, his confusion about facts, misrepresentations of his opponent's policies, his dismissal of women's rights, his reinterpretation of his military and POW record, and his disrespectful responses to Senator Obama's comments all add up to being one of the worst candidates to represent the US in international politics.

So. the 11th difference is how they would represent the US in negotiations with foreign powers. Senator Obama would be respectful, accurate, determined, calm, and cooperative. Senator McCain would be hot-headed, off-the-cuff, dismissive, and unconcerned about facts.

If we are going to restore our reputation abroad and reinstitute respect and regard for the US as a way to prevent military intervention, the Senator Obama is really the ONLY alternative.

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Note To All The 3rd Party Voters
Posted by: QQOblivion on Oct 17, 2008 10:28 AM   
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In Florida in 2000, Bush won (or stole) only 500 votes more than Gore.

500.

But in that state, 500,000(!) people voted for Nader, a THOUSAND TIMES the votes that were needed to have completely avoided the last 8 years!

You like the things the way they are now? You want things to get MUCH WORSE!? Then vote for your third party candidates and help McCain win.

Because if McCain wins, I swear we will have full-scale NUCLEAR WAR within half a year of he and Sarah taking office.
Do you want to be responsible for that!? You will be if you don't face facts and thus hold your nose in the voting booth.

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» Response from a third party voter Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Note To All The 3rd Party Voters Posted by: left_libertarian
Recycle nuclear fuel
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 17, 2008 10:56 AM   
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Yucca Mountain contains an enormous supply of nuclear fuel that
should not be wasted. We don't recycle nuclear fuel because
spent fuel is valuable and people steal it. The place it went that it
wasn't supposed to go to is Israel. This happened in a small town
near Pittsburgh, PA circa 1970. A company called Numec was in
the business of reprocessing nuclear fuel. I almost took a job
there, designing a nuclear battery for a heart pacemaker. [The
army offered me more money to work on nuclear weapons
effects.] [A nuclear battery would have the advantage of lasting
many times as long as any other battery, eliminating many
surgeries to replace batteries.] Numec did NOT have a reactor.
Numec "lost" a quantity of reactor grade uranium. It wound up in
Israel. The Israelis have fueled both their nuclear power plants
and their nuclear weapons by stealing nuclear "waste." See:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/
x/pittsburghtrib/news/specialreport
s/buriedlegacy/s_87948.html
It could work for any other country, such as Iran or the United
States. It is only when you don't have access to nuclear "waste"
that you have to do the difficult process of enriching uranium,
unless you have a Canadian "CANDU" reactor or a British
Magnox reactor, both of which run on unenriched uranium.
Numec is no longer in business. The reprocessing of nuclear fuel
in the US stopped. That was the only politically possible solution
at that time, given that private corporations did the reprocessing.
My solution would be to reprocess the fuel at a Government
Owned Government Operated [GOGO] facility. At a GOGO
plant, bureaucracy and the multiplicity of ethnicity and religion
would disable the transportation of uranium to Israel or to any
unauthorized place. Nothing heavier than a secret would get out.

I have no financial stake in the nuclear power industry, and I
never have. Nobody is paying me to say this.

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Toxic Assets - Made in the USA
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 11:00 AM   
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Just like Anthrax with Apologies to Bruce Springsteen


Made down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
'Til you spend half your life just covering up

[chorus:]
Made in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.

I got in a little hometown jam
And so they put a rifle in my hands
Sent me off to Vietnam
To go and kill the yellow man

[chorus]

Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me"
I go down to see the V.A. man
He said "Son don't you understand"

[chorus]

I had a buddy at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone
He had a little girl in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms

Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years down the road
Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go

I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.
I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A.
Made in the U.S.A.

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Similar is not the same
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 17, 2008 11:05 AM   
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Obama is not my ideal candidate, but any candidate who fits my criteria is not going to be on the ballot. It's as simple as that. Kucinich came very, very close to what I'd like, and he's not even a remote consideration. The corporate media always ensures that no one with true progressive ideas ever has a change.

Yes, Obama and McCain have similar agendas, but similar does not mean identical. In order to determine how different the two branches of the corporate party (Democratic branch and Republican branch), one only needs to imagine this country if Gore had been allowed to govern after he was elected instead of having Bush appointed to the presidency.

We would probably not be in Iraq. In fact, it's entirely possible that 9/11 would never have happened. The Clinton Adminstration was very concerned with al Qaida and the threat of terrorism, and tried to tell Bush and his cabal about it when they left office. Reactions of the warnings were to completely ignore the subject, demote Richard Clarke's position to lesser importance (and keep him out of meetings), and change the focus to Iraq - even before the attacks on the US. I don't believe for a minute that Gore would have ignored a daily brief concerning Osama's determination to attack the US including references to jet planes.

Taxes for the wealthiest Americans are not likely to have been cut, at least not to the degree they have. Yes, the Republicans were in charge of the legislature, but a Democratic president could have vetoed the worst legislation.

Environmental laws and restrictions would not be systematically stripped on an almost daily basis. Gore is, at the very least, an enthusiastic environmentalist.

The extreme secrecy and executive privilege of the presidency would never have happened. Same thing with Cheney's sneaky energy councils.

We'd still have strong allies throughout the world, and the US would not almost universally be seen as the greatest threat to peace, even more than Middle Eastern terrorists. Torture would not be associated with the US government and military.

And speaking of the military, it would very likely not be so diminished it has to recruit high school drop-outs and ex-criminals to keep numbers up.

These are just highlights. Anyone can go back through the last 8 years, find atrocities, secrecy, arrogance, foolishness, systemic suppression of civil rights, and a multitude of other issues that would be quite different under a Gore or even Kerry presidency.

A wise woman I know once told me that it's fruitless to look for a perfect man, and even if you could find one, he'd be looking for a perfect woman. By the same token, it's fruitless to look for a perfect candidate. Even if you could find one, he or she would have to serve an imperfect electorate.

In politics, as in marriage, it may be necessary to ask ourselves, "Is this something that's not perfect that we can still live with?"

With McCain, the answer is a definite, unmitigated "NO," while with Obama, the answer is at least, "Perhaps."

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The real question is
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 17, 2008 11:19 AM   
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Which of these two are going to be bag men for JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs. Those are the two entities that are running (and ruining) our financial system.

Answer: probably both. JP Morgan is now "managing" commodities futures to keep the price of commodities down, least they reveal runaway inflation. I have some bad news for anyone who thinks this strategy is sustainable. There is ultimately a market that sets prices. An explosion to the upside is going to crush what's left of our economy. Pickens is one person that knows the oil business inside out, and he says oil is going bakc to 150 dollars a barrel. Let's see how JP Morgan handles that!

By the way, I'm voting for Obama, but I don't hold out much hope.

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The Biggest difference is change...
Posted by: IPF on Oct 17, 2008 11:46 AM   
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CHANGE CHICAGO STYLE

Body count. In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago, 221 killed in Iraq.

Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin,
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Gov. Rod Blogojevich,
House Leader Mike Madigan,
Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of former Mayor Richard J. Daley).....the leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.

Chicago is a combat zone. Of course they're all blaming each other.

Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!

State pension fund $ 44 Billion in debt, worst in country. Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .

Obama's gonna 'fix' Washington politics? Not.

Vote McCain/Palin

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Short of incredible fits of bad judgment (Iraq War), Presidents should not have...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 17, 2008 11:46 AM   
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...the kind of Fairy Godmother powers over our daily lives that many dream of.

In fact, one of the more prosperous recent times in our nation's history was when Congress and the President were dead set against each other, and there was very little pie-in-the-sky shenanigans going on that we see when Congress always says yes to the President and the President never (well, hardly ever) waves the veto pen. Anyone remember how great things were for the average citizen when threats of "government shutdowns" every quarter had both Clinton and Newt digging in their feet and wearing their pigheadnedness on certain issues on their sleeves.

Lockdown and bureaucratic gridlock, baby. Weren't those the good old days? So, Obama, you're the likely winner. I relieve you of your crusade (I know it's a lot of pressure) to fix my wee red wagon on a daily basis, if you promise to just not do stupid, lethal, or outright illegal things like your predecessor.

.................

But, unfortunately, we're likely to see more of the same things you get when you have a President working in near lock-step with Congress along majority party lines. The republicans had their (awful) grand everything-we-want experiment, now we get to see how badly the democratic everything-we-want experiments will go. At least if Obama makes good on his promise to withdraw from Iraq, that will be a start...provide we don't invade Pakistan in force. As for the rest of the damn pendulum ("duh economy"--an overly broad simplification that I'm honestly just tired of hearing about,Afghanistan, trade, jobs, making social security and medicare solvent or finding real alternatives...), my only advice is to watch for it and know when to duck.

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NO ONE IS PERFECT, ONE CAN ONLY BE THEIR BEST & 4 THE PEOPLE, THAT MEANS OBAMA IS THE CHOICE!!!
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Oct 17, 2008 12:10 PM   
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Neither one would walk in the door behind the mess and turmoil of BUSH,CHENEY and his Administration and think okay, things are fixed now. Ain't gonna happen. But when the two of them, John McCain, and OBAMA are laid out side by side, when their views and capabilities and JUDGEMENT, and leadership and stamina and convictions are both measured side by side, GIVE ME OBAMA any day hands down. Besides, can we really afford a nut case in the white house like Sarah Palin who is clearly not ready, nor QUALIFIED to be that close to the Commander in Chief given McCain's age????????

No we can't, it is unthinkable!
There is no choice but to choose
OBAMA 08!

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Have You Seen Cash & Carry - Paulson's New Golden Boy - Giving a Lecture
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 12:13 PM   
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I spent 55 minutes watching about the only thing available on the internet about

Neel

Hey Neel - If I had been in the audience

Despite You Are a Lovely Looking Boy

I would have asked you a simple question from the front

You see I am rather old and have been going to school all my life

Sure sometimes I looked rather old sat at the front of the class with 50 kids behind me and maybe I was there because I am a bit short sighted and I like to see all the details of the slides and presentations

And if I didn't understand something

I would not be afraid to ask a question - and sometimes people would laugh at me for not understanding something so obvious

And so the question would be answered

But still I didn't understand the reply

And The Bright Boys were looking at me as if I was Really THICK

And so I would ask another question

And I would actually have a discussion with the Lecturer

And at lunch time the kids would join me at the table I was sat with my lunch

And say thanks - I didn't understand either - and as a result of your questions I think I nearly understand it - hell I didn't understand at all - until you started asking questions

Now look at Neel Kaskari's Lecture

Does Anyone Understand?

You want me to provide a link as well?

Its on CSPAN

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I object to #6, especially come on, ALTERNET!
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 17, 2008 2:32 PM   
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Both candidates have state repeatedly that clean coal is the answer. They've made it the core of their "energy policy" and it's COMPLETE. UTTER. CRAP.

Sometimes I wonder if Alternet's staff is sipping the koolaid on the side or something. Other than Josh, most of the writers and editors seem to just blank out and totally space on key points when it really fuckin' counts. I'm getting tired of having to watchdog the good guys.

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NOTE to all Dims who want third parties to just waste their vote on your guy
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 17, 2008 2:58 PM   
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I'll make you a deal. I dunno if I can sell it to all the third party voters or not but I can try.

YOU give us a contract, with consideration, signed, notarized by your guy Obama, expressly stating that:

a) Obama and your party will immediately prosecute Bush & Co. for criminal and civil liability, etc. and the US will immediately join the World Criminal Court,
b) enact every feature of the progressive agenda we've all bitched about for the past 20 years (back when you all still were waffling on global warming), as you all insist he "might if we push him hard enough," and,
c) if he fails to do either or both of a and b,
you will: recall Obama/Biden and allow our candidates to run for the vacated seat, give us a federalized national Presidential electoral situation using only the IRV process and eliminate the electoral college,

and WE will give our vote to Obama/Biden on Nov. 4.

Like I said, I dunno if I can get the thirds together on this, but if you show us such a document, we can try.

I won't hold my breath.

If you can't do that, then just STFU about Nader, 2000, Florida, etc. and enjoy the ride your guy has earned for himself.

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Join the movement! ZeitGeistMovement.com
Posted by: thinkverybig on Oct 17, 2008 3:11 PM   
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I have already voted for Obama but we as a nation, as a society must begin to understand that "Politics" is divisive, putting people against one another and that has to stop.

I would like to encourage all of you to visit www.zeitgeistmovement.com and share this concept with everyone you know. We have to change the way we as a society do things and I can feel the since of change in the air!

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Karl.Ben smeared Col. David Hackworth
Posted by: ProudVietnamVet on Oct 17, 2008 3:29 PM   
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In a previous comment on this thread today, AlterNet user Karl.Ben smeared the reputation of the late great war hero and super patriot, Colonel David Hackworth.

Responding to a comment by NoMcCainPalin, Karl.Ben alleged the following:

"He [Hackworth] wore medals he did not earn and seems to have a history of unbalanced behavior. There is nothing credible about him."

Regarding NoMcCainPalin's retort that Hackworth had been "exonerated of all accusations that he didn't earn his medals," Karl.Ben said that wasn't true and accused NoMcCainPalin of spreading lies.

Previously I have been an AlterNet reader but not a commentator. Because of Karl.Ben's unfounded and malicious attack against MY hero, Col. Hackworth, I have decided to participate in veteran-related AlterNet conversations, starting with the following defense of "Hack":

Before his death from cancer in 2005, CNN and the CBS evening news with Dan Rather questioned the accuracy of Hackworth's own military decorations.

In particular, the reports accused Hackworth of claiming a Ranger tab to which he was not entitled and an extra Distinguished Flying Cross on his website.

Hackworth threatened to sue CBS and requested a formal audit of his military records. In response to the military audit, the Executive Producer of CBS News sent a letter to Hackworth that stated:

"The Army's audit of its records has determined that the Army made an administrative error back in 1988, when it reissued your medals and awards."

"Along with numerous other decorations, the Army mistakenly issued you a Ranger Tab and two Oak Leaf Clusters for your Distinguished Flying Cross. The Army has thus verified what we reported as your explanation of the matter."

"As far as we are concerned, the Army audit makes clear that you [Hackworth] did not at any time wear or claim any military honor not actually issued by the U.S. Army, based on its official records, including the service record you signed and dated."

"At the same time, CBS continues to believe that our reports did not state or imply that you knowingly wore or claimed decorations not issued by the U.S. Army and that any such inference drawn from the reports would be mistaken."

"Indeed, as we believe we made clear in our reports, by all accounts you are a man who has shown extraordinary heroism in your service to our country, and has deservedly been awarded many of the nation's most coveted awards for valor."

Karl.Ben should be ashamed of himself for smearing a deceased war hero. Hopefully, AlterNet readers will ignore any criticism he has of Col.Hackworth.

Attention NoMcCainPalin: Please email me so I can help you expose Songbird McCain as the traitor he is. My address is: WAL737Captain@aol.com

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If You Wan't To Host Your Website Completely Free of ANY Censorship or Control
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 17, 2008 4:14 PM   
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My 20 Year Old Son has been hosting Servers in Houston Texas and London England and Manchester in the Ste of LANCASHIRE

For the last 5 Years

He Did The First 2 For Free

American Kids Just sent him money - To Get their Server Up and Running at The Fastest Data Centre In The World

He has started charging since

But Thanks All His American Friends For all Their Help and Money To Get Him Started

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Obama Campaign letter to AG Mukassey on Voter Suppression
Posted by: boing007 on Oct 17, 2008 5:46 PM   
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/Obama-Mukasey/

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But when Obama pays his pipers ...?
Posted by: artifax on Oct 17, 2008 8:26 PM   
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Obviously Obama, unlike McCain, knows and can express the issues we need addressed to right a lot of wrongs. But that nearly half billion bucks he's raised means there's substantial payback coming when he's president.

When he backs off his promises in order to kiss his big donors' butts (notice he no longer says the cash all came from us little guys?), how do we force him to do what WE need?

We'd better have those strategies ready, because I doubt he could do otherwise even if he wanted to. How hard would it be for ticked off elites to find a fall guy "lone nut" on whom to blame an assassination of the first black president? Easier than in and presidential killings before, of course.

Yes, I prefer him to McCain for his potential, but he is still the biggest sellout candidate in history. So let's not deify him. Let's be ready for disappointment but also to shift gears to pressuring him our way. And let's hope the Big Money sees he has no other choice and keeps him around.

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The smears are working...
Posted by: tony2008 on Oct 17, 2008 11:01 PM   
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While the pro-Obama camps tries to talk about the issues, the republicans are doing everything they can to smear Obama and fill the information vacuum with outright lies and obfuscation. This is the kind of thing the Obama camp has to start tackling head-on, because, once again, fear and falsehoods have started taking hold of the rational people of the USA.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78309

This is the type of lie that is not easy to disprove because it verges on a seemingly truth based on visible facts (a video). However, the devil is in the details, and we need to be more emphatic in highlighting the fact that details do matter. Gadhafi was referring to Barack's father in his quote: "There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama." As we all know, Barack was born and raised in the US, by a black father from Kenya and a white American mother. He attended Harvard University and served in the US Senate after taking oath on a Bible. Why did it take them so long to raise these idiotic questions, based on deceptive quotes taken out of context and shamelessly misrepresented? We need to fight these smears and dispel all the lies. I see some inaction on this front by the Obama campaign. Can anyone inform them of the huge misinformation campaign Mccain is conducting to steal another election? And this is just one issue, there is the Ayers, Accorn and other issues that are being distorted by the republicans left and right.

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McCain is ill-tempered
Posted by: MEL810 on Oct 17, 2008 11:00 PM   
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A friend of mine had an aunt who recently passed away. The woman was a life-long Republican who always voted Republican and worked for many years as a staffer for a Republican Senator. This woman said McCain had long had a reputation around the Hill as an ill-tempered, hot-headed bully who belittled his staffers and colleagues and berated anyone who had the guts to disagree with him.
McCain is a Child of an Alcoholic and more than likely has Post Traumatic Stress Disorder stemming from the war and I feel these unresolved issues may fuel his problem.
When he was debating Obama, he resorted to low shots and smirked like a self-important frat boy. His smirk out did Shrub's. Shrub's smirk is just silly, McCain's looks angry.
He has the bad judgment to put a twit like Sarah Palin as his potential second-in-command.
No matter what else you may think of Obama,he is level-headed.
Casting third party votes may assuage some consciences, but if it helps hot-head McCain and incompetent zealot Palin get nearer the red-button, then that vote is dangerous.

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the article lays it out there are substantive differences
Posted by: whealeydj on Oct 18, 2008 4:13 AM   
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between Mccain and Obama so I am voting for the better choice,OBAMA, unless polls show a 10 percent lead in my state.dont let the best (McKinney) become the enemy of the good lest the worst (Mccain-Palin) become our leaders for another 4 years in executive branch and 2 years in judicial branch

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I'm voting third party
Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Oct 18, 2008 2:39 PM   
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Obama is goign to win anyway.

I can't wait to get taxed for breathing. Obama has said he intends, upon his election, to order Interior to immediately declare carbon dioxide a terrible toxic poison.

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» well, okay then Posted by: Beck
X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 19, 2008 6:51 AM   
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Don't trust a man who for 26 years ignored the worst human rights violations in this country.

10,000 people in Arizona desperately need help, but John McCain wouldn't even return Senator Linda Binder's calls.

Watch the video:

http://www.bankingonheaven.com/

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Being a Democrat is not so easy these days
Posted by: sivad on Oct 21, 2008 1:07 AM   
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During these G.W. Bush years it was really easy to be a democrat against the idiocy that is the Bush administration. I had to listen day in and day out to the right leaning Republican's defend there choice with pure ignorance and blind loyalty, with no care or regard to the very bad direction the country was headed in. We Democrats had endless right minded political views to agree upon! While in the vast majority of the public eye the only thing that mattered was that the Republican talking points be heard and be agreed upon by all or you were Un-Patriotic, against the troops, against the country and just a left wing LIBERAL!!! Thats like a disease it seems!
Yet somehow we find ourselves not getting out ouf this rut. A Democrat version of W! (Oh I can here yall breaking out the rope to string me up but I think it's true!)
Just look at thiscampaign thorough honestly open eyes. He uses the tactic of fear to get your vote. If you don't vote for him your voting for another George W. Your voting to extend this war, your voting to keep the rich rich! "To pay taxes is patriotic!" Says Jo Biden. sounds like Bushit to me! So If I don't want to pay taxes I'm not patriotic? Obama is not "trying to punish me for being successful" he just want "to just try and spread the wealth" (though I'm not just so you know) I truly don't understand this and why you are all going along with it? This is not what we believe in. I am all for a hand up! But not a hand out. It is just a means of control! Hasn't Bush taken enough control of our lives? Why do you just want to surrender it to someone else?
Bush stole the 2000 election through the Federal courts. And in 2004 through dirty voter purging tactics. Yet Now Obama is BUYING votes and this article calls it "expanding the right to vote". Paying a person to register (whatever name they want... Mickey Mouse being 1 example) is expanding peoples rights? Will most of you do what the Republicans do and turn a blind eye to these wrongful practices and just throw un-deserving praise onto an un-deserving man and cram it down the rest of our throats to accept it or shut up? Did you not learn a lesson from Bush? Why are all the things that are wrong right if a Democrat does them?
Why does this article contain so many misleading things that most of you seem to go along with. An example: Item 1 says McCain will cut revenue by 595 billion but item 4 says he will increase it by 3.6 trillion to cover his health care plan. Oddly enough though item 4 makes no mention of how much Obama's health plan will cost. But we all turn a blind eye to that little bit of information that is not there... It seems we turn a blind eye to most of the information that is not provided. We just buy what Obama sells as fact because he said it... not because he backs it up. Remind us of anyone?
I do not enjoy being put into a position of defending a Republican but this article falsly claims under item 2: "First up on the chopping block would be Roe v. Wade. McCain has already promised that much". That is pure falsehood! How could anyone read this and even allow there minds to be brainwashed with this fodder? I know for fac that in the 3rd debate McCain affirmed quite clearly that Roe v. Wade was something he felt was up to the individual states to decide on "I'm a Federalist" he delcared (meaning he believes that states should handle their own agendas rather than a national solution) and that he would not address the issue during his term as President.
Could everyone, from both sides, just agree to learn the truth. Don't believe lies. Don't allow this slanderous nastiness to continue any longer. Demand that these media outlets give us the news unfiltered. Without a slant in either direction! Just the facts. I'm sick and tired of being told what I think by both sides. The Republican slant tells me how loony I am and the Democrats, under the leadership of OBAMA, just seem to confirm it.

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reallymadpedsdoc
Posted by: Karen Kim on Oct 21, 2008 6:48 AM   
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95% of people don't pay taxes-only about 70% do.The "tax credits" Obama wants to give the people who don't pay taxes is welfare. He wants to take money from people who work hard to give it to people who don't work. Socialism.
If you increase the taxes on business owners, like me, they can't afford to hire new employees. Last year was the first year my business made $250,000 after six years of hard work. I spent that money opening another office and hiring new employees. If Obama had been president I could not have had the money to do so. He would have taxed the income to give it to unemployed people in the form of a annual check, spreading the wealth. They would be better off with a job.

And in regard to healthcare-Why does Obama think the employer based model is so great? It is a strain on small business! Insurance companies raise the premiums 33% everytime one of the employees has a procedure. Why doesn't he target the large insurance companies? They charge large premiums while constantly decreasing the amount of compensation to physicians.

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Do a little independent research, if you can
Posted by: Honeygirl on Oct 23, 2008 2:34 PM   
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This is important, please take time to read! This election has me worried. So many things to consider. A year ago, I would have voted for Obama. I changed my mind three times since. I watch all the news channels, jumping between them. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, & FOX News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months ago, I started thinking 'where did the money come 4 Obama'. I have four daughters who went to College, & we R middle class. We (including my girls) worked hard, & there were LOTS of student loans. I started looking into Obama's life. Around 1979 Obama began college at Occidental in Calif. He is very open about his 2 years at Occidental; he tried all kinds of drugs & was wasting his time but even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. 'Barry' (the name he used all his life) during this time had 2 roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo & Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan. During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a 'round the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad,India, 3 wks in Karachi, Pakistan, staying w/his roommate's family, then off 2 Africa 2 visit his father's family. A GREAT TRIP for ANY middle-class college student, wouldn't you agree?

My question: WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR THE TRIP? Neither I nor any one of my children would have had money 4 a trip like this when they were in college.

When he came back he started school at Columbia U in NY. It is then that he wanted everyone to start calling him Barack; not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap, to say the least!

WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR TUITION? Student loans? MAYBE.

After Columbia, he went 2 Chicago 2 work as a Community Organizer @$12,000 a year. Why Chicago? Why not New York? He was already there. By 'chance'he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo, Syria, a real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery just this year. Rezko was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the Arab-American Business & Professional Assoc. About 2 years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School.

Do you have any IDEA what tuition is 4 Harvard Law School? WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY 4 HARVARD LAW SCHOOL? More student loans?

After Law School, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Rezar', which is Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser 4 Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' 4 his U.S. Senate race.

In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in the Kenwood District of Chicago @ $1.65 million (less than the asking price).

With ALL those Student loans to pay back - WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY FOR THE PROPERTY?

That same day, Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot 4 full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire, loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko. Now we have Obama running 4 President. Valerie Jarrett was Michelle Obama's boss. She's now Obama's chief advisor & he does not make any major decisions without talking 2her first.

Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? SHIRAZ, IRAN!

Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?

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Honeygirl
Posted by: Honeygirl on Oct 23, 2008 2:46 PM   
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Karen, I agree with you. I make less than $25k a year, but I have a job because of someone who has the money to pay me that. I am looking for something better, and I know I can find it. At the same time, My friend, who has worked hard his whole life and has accummulated a net worth of over $3 million, said he'll simply stop working and live off what he's made, or cut back or not hire anyone any further... Jobs come from people who have the money to pay for the employees that they need to work for them.

People get jobs because they are needed in a particular job sector because of demand. When people have jobs, they spend on necessities and on extracurricular expenses for enjoying their lives. They keep the money circulating. Increase the taxes on those providing jobs and they'll either 1) pass on the costs to the consumer, in one form or another, so the 'little guy' still pays for it, 2) Cut back on jobs because of their increased costs, 3) Close business and take their assets elsewhere.

I didn't finish college, although I have a 'college degree's' worth of experience. However, life gets in the way. If I want to earn more money, I need to go back to school. That is on me. Don't like what you earn? Do something about it! Get a second job, or go back to school and improve your skills and education!

Karen, is seems you are in the pediatric medical field. Socialization of our medical system is going to get pushed down our throats. When my daughter and her husband lived in Ireland, in Dublin, he worked at a 'public' hospital, and when she went to visit him, she couldn't believe how the hallways stank of urine, feces and dirt! Canadians come south for treatment, rather than wait for their # to come up, or die waiting! God help us all if Obama wins. We were already on that 'slippery slope', and they'll just pull the slope out from under us!

I'm an independent, and I didn't like McCain as a choice for President, but the candidate I wanted didn't stand a snowball's chance in Yuma! So, for me, a vote for McCain is not FOR McCain, it's AGAINST Obama.

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Honeygirl
Posted by: Honeygirl on Oct 23, 2008 3:07 PM   
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A very smart man I know told me always 'follow the money'... politicians are nothing more than pawns in a bigger chess game; puppets whose strings are being pulled by their puppet masters, though they might not think so.

Read my post... I'd like to do more research to 'follow the money' in Obama's camp.

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The War Party Embraces Obama
Posted by: left_libertarian on Oct 24, 2008 4:21 AM   
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You've been warned....


http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13623

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