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McCain Was Not Tortured, POW Guard Claims
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In an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Nguyen Tien Tran acknowledged that conditions in the prison were "tough, though not inhuman". But, he added: "We never tortured McCain. On the contrary, we saved his life, curing him with extremely valuable medicines that at times were not available to our own wounded."
McCain, who fell into enemy hands after his plane was shot down in 1967, has frequently referred to being tortured and has cited his experiences as a reason for vigorously opposing the endorsement by the Bush administration of the use of techniques such as "water-boarding" on terrorist suspects.
Shortly after his release in 1973 McCain told US News & World Report that his prison guards had beaten him "from pillar to post". After being worked over at intervals for four days, he said, he had become suicidal and agreed to sign a "confession" admitting to war crimes.
In his 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, he described how after his capture he was subjected to inhuman treatment in an effort to force him to disclose his ship's name, squadron number and the target of his final mission. He was threatened with the withdrawal of medical assistance and, while still suffering from his crash injuries, his guards "knocked me around a little".
For his service in Vietnam and his actions as a POW, McCain was awarded the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Bronze Star, the Navy Commendation Medal and the Purple Heart.
Tran, now 75, said McCain reached Hanoi with the worst injuries he had seen in a downed pilot. But he denied torturing him, saying it was his mission to ensure that McCain survived. As the son of the US naval commander in Vietnam, he offered a potential valuable propaganda weapon.
However, recommending McCain for a medal after the war, his former cellmate, the much-decorated Colonel George Day, said the admiral's son had forced his interrogators to "drug him and torture him to get any cooperation", according to a letter in the US National Archives cited earlier this year by the Washington Post. Day said McCain suffered "torturous abuse".
Tran told Corriere that McCain was sent to hospital the day after he was brought to Hanoi and stayed there for a month. "I never lost him from sight. I was frightened a doctor or nurse might do him harm."
Tran dismissed as "absolutely impossible" perhaps the most famous story from McCain's autobiography: that one Christmas, a guard traced a cross in the mud in front of him. "My men were all communists and atheists," he said.
As to why McCain, then 36, left North Vietnam with prematurely grey hair, Tran denied it was because of mistreatment. "It's that in prison you think too much."
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Posted by: Dboy on Oct 16, 2008 2:15 AM
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Posted by: jabberjw on Oct 16, 2008 8:19 AM
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I'm tired of his daddy issues, as much as I'm tired of Bush's daddy issues. Obama purged his daddy issues by writing an entire book about them. maybe they can't because obama has surpassed his daddy but bush/mccain never will. better president and generations of admirals. these boys with lots of bad behavior in their pasts will be haunted to their graves by their inability to overthrow daddy. thank god another one won't live in the white house.
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 17, 2008 12:44 AM
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"The facts are that McCain signed a confession and declared himself a 'black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate.' This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement."
"The United States Navy says two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism. But for the valor awards McCain received, there were no eyewitnesses, less himself and his captors."
"A former POW says, 'No man witnessed another man during interrogations. We relied on each other to tell the truth when a man was returned to his cell.'”
"McCain refused an early release. An act of valor? Three former POWs told me he was ordered to turn it down by his American POW commander and he 'just followed orders.'”
POW Gordon Larson told the Phoenix New Times he did not believe McCain had been tortured before his interrogations at a POW camp called "The Plantation," as claimed by McCain.
POW Phillip Butler, Navy pilot and U.S. Naval Academy graduate who spent more than eight years in North Vietnam as a prisoner of war, gave the following explanation about why he would not support McCain for the presidency:
"I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced firsthand. Folks, quite honestly, that is not the finger I want next to the red button."
Army Colonel Earl Hopper, a veteran of World War II, Korea and Vietnam whose son was shot down near Hanoi and killed, contends McCain gave information to his captors that helped them fine-tune their air defense system. Because McCain cooperated with the enemy in return for special favors and made radio propaganda broadcasts, the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him "Songbird."
POW Ted Guy, one of McCain's Senior Ranking officers at the Hanoi Hilton, longtime friend and admirer changed his mind about the Arizona senator's integrity. The reversal of opinion happened in 1992, after the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs and following a series of recorded phone calls with McCain. Said Guy, "I don't trust John anymore. I think he's a total liar."
POW John Dramesi, who escaped from the North Vietnamese, was recaptured and brutally beaten, and later became the chief USAF war planner in Europe and Strategic Air Command wing commander, alleges today that "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man. But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."
It's worth noting that ONLY one American POW has been honored by a statue in Hanoi. That person is Senator McCain.
Finally, if you're an undecided voter, learn about Songbird and his treasonous POW record by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)
Other websites freedom-loving Americans should visit, especially veterans like myself, are:
How McCain Betrayed His Fellow Vets
Iraq Vets Against the War
U.S. Veterans Dispatch
Vietnam Vets Against John McCain
Veterans Voice
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» This looks WAY too much like swiftboating.
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» The grunt walking a patrol is the real hero.
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Posted by: muservin on Oct 17, 2008 3:26 AM
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No surprise to me if McCain is just a lot of bilge, since we have nobody's word but his that he was so brutally treated.
I have heard elsewhere, and seen photos of his capture, that would suggest he was not treated inhumanly, at all. A case is certainly made that he may have (may have) been a great coward, in fact.
I only judge him by the deeds I know: he betrays the interests of the majority of Americans, and sucks up to the rich and powerful, at every twist and turn of the road of his sorry life. Never has he showed his himself a friend of the Vet, while always trying to "cap" on his "rapport" with them, such as the smarmy scene we saw in the second debate with Obama, touted by MSM as a real snap shot from that dog and pony show.
I've seen photos of his crash, and it looked like the villagers were rescuing him, not tormenting him, in simple peasant goodness, in total ignorance of the toxins they were handling.
I've also seen countless photos, and evidence, on the scene, that we treated many ab Asian in Indochina, without the same regard we'd treat a rabid dog, in many cases. And see "The Quiet American" and Graham Greene's chilling and mysterious account of massacres there.
So, what's your view, American?
Peace: JE
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» I personally don't care for McCain
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Posted by: dipconsult on Oct 17, 2008 4:06 AM
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I would very much like to know the truth about what treatment Senator McCain received in Vietnamese hands.
The Vietnamese, like some (most?) other peoples, can be very cruel indeed. The North Vietnamese with whom I dealt during America's Vietnam war and later, were though very pragmatic despite their communist ideology.
So I am inclined, prima facie, to believe - up to a point - the Vietnamese captor's claim. Certainly the N.Vietnam govt was aware from the beginning that they held a particularly important prisoner and wanted to make as much use of him politically as possible. Which indeed they tried - not without success - to do.
(Though all these years later whether they are happy to see Senator McCain President of the US is very doubtful - despite his work to get Hanoi recognised, they would almost certainly prefer someone who believes in speaking to real or potential opponents and who better understood world financial and other problems).
So, prima facie, they would - as the captor says - have been out to save McCain's life (as indeed their medical efforts show he certainly seems to have got priority treatment). This suggests that they would not have tortured him physically (meaning torture in its proper, and not in its tarnished G W Bushian, sense).
I would expect though, that they probably used great psychological pressure to try to attain their ends - and that is extremely unpleasant. And often leaves profound psychological scars - perhaps consistent with Senator's decades long determination to "cash in" politically on his own version of what happened to him in Hanoi.
But one must be very careful in drawing conclusions with such evidence as we have. Can we not find more witnesss, Vietnamese, American and other (e.g. neutrals who visited prisoners?)
Given what has come out so far, the evidence such as we have, does though, appear to conflict with the Senator's description of his treatment as physical torture in the usual sense of the word.
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Posted by: eaajdjholton on Oct 17, 2008 4:15 AM
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Swiftboat anyone?
Aren't we better than this?
How can we deride them for their sleazy politics when we give them things they can point to that are equal to if not worse than what they are doing?
Let's try to maintain a position where we can hold our heads high--let's not sink to their level.
God forbid this should show up in a political ad by some shadow 527 group.............
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Oct 17, 2008 5:59 AM
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YES, YOU ARE RIGHT. HE WASN'T TORTURED.
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Posted by: wellaware lec on Oct 17, 2008 6:18 AM
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EXTREME TRAUMA CAN ALSO CAUSE THIS, AS WELL AS SOME MINERAL DEFICIENCIES...
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 17, 2008 6:31 AM
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ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Arizona Senator Linda Binder talks about John McCain who wouldn't even return her calls when she asked for help.
While thousands of innocent Americans were forced into white slavery, and young girls were raped by FLDS pedophiles, John McCain stood idly by.
Watch the video:
http://www.bankingonheaven.com/
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» Another take on it
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» This is the "Democratic" response to the Ayers swipe only if OBAMA uses it repeatedly,
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» RE: McCain brings up his POW time incessantly, well then you will want to read this
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Posted by: Sagan on Oct 17, 2008 7:14 AM
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And conditions in the prison "tough, though not inhuman"?
"My men were all communists and atheists,"
Well, if he says so then it MUST BE TRUE!
Come on Alternet. You're better than this.
We all know McCain is a douche, we all know his ideas are bad for America.
But give me a break.
As much of a liar John McCain is, does ANYONE seriously believe that the conditions in an NVA prison camp were not "inhuman"??? Does anyone seriously believe that EVERY single American they could get their hands on wasn't tortured in some shape or form???
The Vietnam War was an unimaginably brutal conflict with both sides tossing aside notions of shared humanity. It was barbaric, truly. Considering what both sides did each other on the battlefield and off, I have no doubt that the NVA would've had every desire to carry out any revenge they could on any American they could get their hands on.
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Posted by: Jarhead on Oct 17, 2008 7:53 AM
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This article, and its appearance on Alternet, is an attempt to smear Senator McCain and U.S. servicemen. If you don't like McCain's politics or point of view, then simply don't vote for him. For instance, you might disagree with his stance on the war on terror, abortion, taxes, the bail-out, the environment. But this specific article is propoganda intended to mislead voters about McCain's good character and the terrible suffering he endured at the hands of his captives. I would agree with anyone who says you should not vote for Senator McCain just because he was a POW and tortured. It has been argued on the other hand, that his experience and the honorable way he handled himself speaks volumes about his good character which is one component that qualifies one for the Presidency. This article is nothing more than a pathetic response.
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» "Good Character"?? Based on What?!
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Posted by: muktuk on Oct 17, 2008 7:59 AM
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Both served their country honorably as naval aviators in two very different wars.
Both exaggerated the truth of their military service for political gain.
But only John McCain was shot down by enemy action- George Bush was not:
He bailed out of his aircraft abandoning his two crew members to certain death.
The following excerpt is from: - GEORGE BUSH: THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY - PART 2 of 8
Mierzejewski, who is also a recipient of the Distinguished Flying Cross, told the "New York Post" that he saw "a puff of smoke" come out of Bush's plane and quickly dissipate. He asserted that after that there was no more smoke visible, that Bush's "plane was never on fire" and that "no smoke came out of his cockpit when he opened his canopy to bail out." Mierzejewski stated that only one man ever got out of the Barbara II, and that was Bush himself. "I was hoping I would see some other parachutes. I never did. I saw the plane go down. I knew the guys were still in it. It was a helpless feeling."
Mierzejewski has long been troubled by the notion that Bush's decision to parachute from his damaged aircraft might have cost the lives of Radioman second class John Delaney, a close friend of Mierzejewski, as well as gunner Lt. junior grade William White. 'I think [Bush] could have saved those lives, if they were alive. I don't know that they were, but at least they had a chance if he had attempted a water landing," Mierzejewski told the "New York Post."
The lesson from this is whether we as a people choose our leaders based on their wealth and family connections, or,
whether we as a people choose our leaders based on their intelligence, ability and compassion for all citizens.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 17, 2008 11:32 AM
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But when it comes to military issues, the fact that McCain voted against the GI Bill as well as against increased funding for veterans' health care multiple times makes him a traitor to his own cause.
It doesn't matter to me if he broke under pressure while being tortured, if he refused early release due to his own honor or if he refused it because it was standard military practice to do so, or even if he was a bad pilot with a history of recklessness.
That all happened decades ago. What I care about is that McCain uses his POW record to promote his patriotism, his experience, and his loyalty to the military while voting to deprive those who serve of the just rewards they have earned.
I am absolutely against the Iraq invasion and occupation, as I was the Vietnam debacle. I am aware that US troops often commit atrocities, kill innnocent civilians, and torture. And I know that the military is voluntary, so there's a case to be made that they knew what they were getting into. However, many members of the US forces were poor and saw the military as a way to find economic security. Others really and truly believed in bringing democracy to oppressed people (right or wrong). Some were tricked into signing up.
But in any case, these people - mostly very young and sometimes even too young to drink alcohol legally - put themselves in danger for what they believed was the good of their country. Many, many of them had no idea what they had signed up for, and quite a few were in the National Guard.
We now have troops returning with serious physical and mental illnesses, unable to get jobs or medical care. We have veterans living on the streets and in poverty. And we have McCain, the Big Promoter of His Military Record and Lover of War voting against funding for the health of these broken individuals. He has voted against funding to send them to college.
McCain doesn't have to worry about his own economic security or health care. He comes from a wealthy family, married an even wealthier woman, and has had his own socialized medicine courtesy of the US taxpayer the whole time he's been in the senate. He's a hypocrite of the worst kind, no matter what he did or what was done to him 40 years ago.
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Posted by: ProudVietnamVet on Oct 17, 2008 3:25 PM
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Responding to a comment by NoMcCainPalin, Karl.Ben alleged the following:
"He [Hackworth] wore medals he did not earn and seems to have a history of unbalanced behavior. There is nothing credible about him."
Regarding NoMcCainPalin's retort that Hackworth had been "exonerated of all accusations that he didn't earn his medals," Karl.Ben said that wasn't true and accused NoMcCainPalin of spreading lies.
Previously I have been an AlterNet reader but not a commentator. Because of Karl.Ben's unfounded and malicious attack against MY hero, Col. Hackworth, I have decided to participate in veteran-related AlterNet conversations, starting with the following defense of "Hack":
Before his death from cancer in 2005, CNN and the CBS evening news with Dan Rather questioned the accuracy of Hackworth's own military decorations.
In particular, the reports accused Hackworth of claiming a Ranger tab to which he was not entitled and an extra Distinguished Flying Cross on his website.
Hackworth threatened to sue CBS and requested a formal audit of his military records. In response to the military audit, the Executive Producer of CBS News sent a letter to Hackworth that stated:
"The Army's audit of its records has determined that the Army made an administrative error back in 1988, when it reissued your medals and awards."
"Along with numerous other decorations, the Army mistakenly issued you a Ranger Tab and two Oak Leaf Clusters for your Distinguished Flying Cross. The Army has thus verified what we reported as your explanation of the matter."
"As far as we are concerned, the Army audit makes clear that you [Hackworth] did not at any time wear or claim any military honor not actually issued by the U.S. Army, based on its official records, including the service record you signed and dated."
"At the same time, CBS continues to believe that our reports did not state or imply that you knowingly wore or claimed decorations not issued by the U.S. Army and that any such inference drawn from the reports would be mistaken."
"Indeed, as we believe we made clear in our reports, by all accounts you are a man who has shown extraordinary heroism in your service to our country, and has deservedly been awarded many of the nation's most coveted awards for valor."
Karl.Ben should be ashamed of himself for smearing a deceased war hero. Hopefully, AlterNet readers will ignore any criticism he has of Col.Hackworth.
Attention NoMcCainPalin: Please email me so I can help you expose Songbird McCain as the traitor he is. My address is: WAL737Captain@aol.com
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Posted by: cori on Oct 17, 2008 4:01 PM
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Don’t worry about Mickey Mouse or ACORN stealing the election. According to an investigative report out today in Rolling Stone magazine, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast, after a year-long investigation, reveal a systematic program of "GOP vote tampering" on a massive scale.
- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.
Over several months, the GOP politicos in Colorado stonewalled every attempt by Rolling Stone to get an answer to the massive purge - ten times the average state's rate of removal.
- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.
Kennedy, a voting rights lawyer, charges this is a resurgence of 'Jim Crow' tactics to wrongly block Black and Hispanic voters.
- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."
- Digging through government records, the Kennedy-Palast team discovered that, in 2004, a GOP scheme called "caging” ultimately took away the rights of 1.1 million voters. The Rolling Stone duo predict that, this November 4, it will be far worse.
There's more:
- Since the last presidential race, "States used dubious 'list management' rules to scrub at least 10 million voters from their rolls."
Among those was Paul Maez of Las Vegas, New Mexico - a victim of an unreported but devastating purge of voters in that state that left as many as one in nine Democrats without a vote. For Maez, the state's purging his registration was particularly shocking - he's the county elections supervisor.
The Kennedy-Palast revelations go far beyond the sum of questionably purged voters recently reported by the New York Times.
"Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle politics," report Kennedy and Palast, under the cover of fighting fraudulent voting, are "systematically disenfranchis[ing] Democrats."
The investigators level a deadly serious charge:
"If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls - they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."
Block the Vote by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Greg Palast in the current issue (#1064) of Rolling Stone. [Media enquiries - Dave Falkenstein, Sunshine Sachs & Assoc, via interviews@gregpalast.com.]
Note - Kennedy and Palast are releasing, simultaneously with the Rolling Stone investigative report what they call, the vote-theft 'antidote': a 24-page full-color comic book, Steal Back Your Vote, which can be downloaded or obtained in print from their non-partisan website, StealBackYourVote.org
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Posted by: richholland on Oct 17, 2008 11:54 PM
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the nazis and americans have the same strategy; reading about mccain, watching him at TV.I see no hero.
Why to torture somebody if he is usefull to you???
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Posted by: mkm1948 on Oct 18, 2008 3:39 AM
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Posted by: tommy57 on Oct 18, 2008 6:57 AM
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John McCain was not tortured but Day lied about his collaborating friend to get his medal of honor. While McCain was getting the kid glove treatment Day was doing his collaborating too I am sure. They are both a couple of losers who sought empathy from the American public after the war, profiteering, while the real heroes fought and many died in the ground wars of Vietnam. Johnny “please don’t hurt me – my daddy is an admiral” McChicken, has the audacity to raise questions about Barrack Obama, knowing he was a coward during the Vietnam War. Johnny was liar during and after the war and is a liar now!
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Posted by: Beastly on Oct 19, 2008 10:25 AM
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And if your response is that we should 'fight fire with fire,' consider that such an attack as this will only backfire, given its source, and the simple fact that McCain's POW story is so cherished by the nation that to sully it, rightly or not, will only engender resentment.
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Posted by: billyweather on Oct 21, 2008 7:25 PM
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Pathetic. Sad.
Very reliable source too. A prison guard. Good grief.
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Posted by: Dboy on Oct 16, 2008 2:15 AM
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Posted by: jabberjw on Oct 16, 2008 8:19 AM
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I'm tired of his daddy issues, as much as I'm tired of Bush's daddy issues. Obama purged his daddy issues by writing an entire book about them. maybe they can't because obama has surpassed his daddy but bush/mccain never will. better president and generations of admirals. these boys with lots of bad behavior in their pasts will be haunted to their graves by their inability to overthrow daddy. thank god another one won't live in the white house.
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 17, 2008 12:44 AM
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"The facts are that McCain signed a confession and declared himself a 'black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate.' This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement."
"The United States Navy says two eyewitnesses are required for any award of heroism. But for the valor awards McCain received, there were no eyewitnesses, less himself and his captors."
"A former POW says, 'No man witnessed another man during interrogations. We relied on each other to tell the truth when a man was returned to his cell.'”
"McCain refused an early release. An act of valor? Three former POWs told me he was ordered to turn it down by his American POW commander and he 'just followed orders.'”
POW Gordon Larson told the Phoenix New Times he did not believe McCain had been tortured before his interrogations at a POW camp called "The Plantation," as claimed by McCain.
POW Phillip Butler, Navy pilot and U.S. Naval Academy graduate who spent more than eight years in North Vietnam as a prisoner of war, gave the following explanation about why he would not support McCain for the presidency:
"I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced firsthand. Folks, quite honestly, that is not the finger I want next to the red button."
Army Colonel Earl Hopper, a veteran of World War II, Korea and Vietnam whose son was shot down near Hanoi and killed, contends McCain gave information to his captors that helped them fine-tune their air defense system. Because McCain cooperated with the enemy in return for special favors and made radio propaganda broadcasts, the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him "Songbird."
POW Ted Guy, one of McCain's Senior Ranking officers at the Hanoi Hilton, longtime friend and admirer changed his mind about the Arizona senator's integrity. The reversal of opinion happened in 1992, after the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs and following a series of recorded phone calls with McCain. Said Guy, "I don't trust John anymore. I think he's a total liar."
POW John Dramesi, who escaped from the North Vietnamese, was recaptured and brutally beaten, and later became the chief USAF war planner in Europe and Strategic Air Command wing commander, alleges today that "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man. But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."
It's worth noting that ONLY one American POW has been honored by a statue in Hanoi. That person is Senator McCain.
Finally, if you're an undecided voter, learn about Songbird and his treasonous POW record by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)
Other websites freedom-loving Americans should visit, especially veterans like myself, are:
How McCain Betrayed His Fellow Vets
Iraq Vets Against the War
U.S. Veterans Dispatch
Vietnam Vets Against John McCain
Veterans Voice
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» This looks WAY too much like swiftboating.
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Posted by: muservin on Oct 17, 2008 3:26 AM
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No surprise to me if McCain is just a lot of bilge, since we have nobody's word but his that he was so brutally treated.
I have heard elsewhere, and seen photos of his capture, that would suggest he was not treated inhumanly, at all. A case is certainly made that he may have (may have) been a great coward, in fact.
I only judge him by the deeds I know: he betrays the interests of the majority of Americans, and sucks up to the rich and powerful, at every twist and turn of the road of his sorry life. Never has he showed his himself a friend of the Vet, while always trying to "cap" on his "rapport" with them, such as the smarmy scene we saw in the second debate with Obama, touted by MSM as a real snap shot from that dog and pony show.
I've seen photos of his crash, and it looked like the villagers were rescuing him, not tormenting him, in simple peasant goodness, in total ignorance of the toxins they were handling.
I've also seen countless photos, and evidence, on the scene, that we treated many ab Asian in Indochina, without the same regard we'd treat a rabid dog, in many cases. And see "The Quiet American" and Graham Greene's chilling and mysterious account of massacres there.
So, what's your view, American?
Peace: JE
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Posted by: dipconsult on Oct 17, 2008 4:06 AM
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I would very much like to know the truth about what treatment Senator McCain received in Vietnamese hands.
The Vietnamese, like some (most?) other peoples, can be very cruel indeed. The North Vietnamese with whom I dealt during America's Vietnam war and later, were though very pragmatic despite their communist ideology.
So I am inclined, prima facie, to believe - up to a point - the Vietnamese captor's claim. Certainly the N.Vietnam govt was aware from the beginning that they held a particularly important prisoner and wanted to make as much use of him politically as possible. Which indeed they tried - not without success - to do.
(Though all these years later whether they are happy to see Senator McCain President of the US is very doubtful - despite his work to get Hanoi recognised, they would almost certainly prefer someone who believes in speaking to real or potential opponents and who better understood world financial and other problems).
So, prima facie, they would - as the captor says - have been out to save McCain's life (as indeed their medical efforts show he certainly seems to have got priority treatment). This suggests that they would not have tortured him physically (meaning torture in its proper, and not in its tarnished G W Bushian, sense).
I would expect though, that they probably used great psychological pressure to try to attain their ends - and that is extremely unpleasant. And often leaves profound psychological scars - perhaps consistent with Senator's decades long determination to "cash in" politically on his own version of what happened to him in Hanoi.
But one must be very careful in drawing conclusions with such evidence as we have. Can we not find more witnesss, Vietnamese, American and other (e.g. neutrals who visited prisoners?)
Given what has come out so far, the evidence such as we have, does though, appear to conflict with the Senator's description of his treatment as physical torture in the usual sense of the word.
On this presidential election much of my consultancy's work is at www.dipconsult.eu
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Posted by: eaajdjholton on Oct 17, 2008 4:15 AM
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Swiftboat anyone?
Aren't we better than this?
How can we deride them for their sleazy politics when we give them things they can point to that are equal to if not worse than what they are doing?
Let's try to maintain a position where we can hold our heads high--let's not sink to their level.
God forbid this should show up in a political ad by some shadow 527 group.............
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Oct 17, 2008 5:59 AM
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YES, YOU ARE RIGHT. HE WASN'T TORTURED.
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Posted by: wellaware lec on Oct 17, 2008 6:18 AM
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EXTREME TRAUMA CAN ALSO CAUSE THIS, AS WELL AS SOME MINERAL DEFICIENCIES...
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 17, 2008 6:31 AM
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ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Arizona Senator Linda Binder talks about John McCain who wouldn't even return her calls when she asked for help.
While thousands of innocent Americans were forced into white slavery, and young girls were raped by FLDS pedophiles, John McCain stood idly by.
Watch the video:
http://www.bankingonheaven.com/
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Posted by: Sagan on Oct 17, 2008 7:14 AM
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And conditions in the prison "tough, though not inhuman"?
"My men were all communists and atheists,"
Well, if he says so then it MUST BE TRUE!
Come on Alternet. You're better than this.
We all know McCain is a douche, we all know his ideas are bad for America.
But give me a break.
As much of a liar John McCain is, does ANYONE seriously believe that the conditions in an NVA prison camp were not "inhuman"??? Does anyone seriously believe that EVERY single American they could get their hands on wasn't tortured in some shape or form???
The Vietnam War was an unimaginably brutal conflict with both sides tossing aside notions of shared humanity. It was barbaric, truly. Considering what both sides did each other on the battlefield and off, I have no doubt that the NVA would've had every desire to carry out any revenge they could on any American they could get their hands on.
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Posted by: Jarhead on Oct 17, 2008 7:53 AM
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This article, and its appearance on Alternet, is an attempt to smear Senator McCain and U.S. servicemen. If you don't like McCain's politics or point of view, then simply don't vote for him. For instance, you might disagree with his stance on the war on terror, abortion, taxes, the bail-out, the environment. But this specific article is propoganda intended to mislead voters about McCain's good character and the terrible suffering he endured at the hands of his captives. I would agree with anyone who says you should not vote for Senator McCain just because he was a POW and tortured. It has been argued on the other hand, that his experience and the honorable way he handled himself speaks volumes about his good character which is one component that qualifies one for the Presidency. This article is nothing more than a pathetic response.
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» "Good Character"?? Based on What?!
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Posted by: muktuk on Oct 17, 2008 7:59 AM
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Both served their country honorably as naval aviators in two very different wars.
Both exaggerated the truth of their military service for political gain.
But only John McCain was shot down by enemy action- George Bush was not:
He bailed out of his aircraft abandoning his two crew members to certain death.
The following excerpt is from: - GEORGE BUSH: THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY - PART 2 of 8
Mierzejewski, who is also a recipient of the Distinguished Flying Cross, told the "New York Post" that he saw "a puff of smoke" come out of Bush's plane and quickly dissipate. He asserted that after that there was no more smoke visible, that Bush's "plane was never on fire" and that "no smoke came out of his cockpit when he opened his canopy to bail out." Mierzejewski stated that only one man ever got out of the Barbara II, and that was Bush himself. "I was hoping I would see some other parachutes. I never did. I saw the plane go down. I knew the guys were still in it. It was a helpless feeling."
Mierzejewski has long been troubled by the notion that Bush's decision to parachute from his damaged aircraft might have cost the lives of Radioman second class John Delaney, a close friend of Mierzejewski, as well as gunner Lt. junior grade William White. 'I think [Bush] could have saved those lives, if they were alive. I don't know that they were, but at least they had a chance if he had attempted a water landing," Mierzejewski told the "New York Post."
The lesson from this is whether we as a people choose our leaders based on their wealth and family connections, or,
whether we as a people choose our leaders based on their intelligence, ability and compassion for all citizens.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 17, 2008 11:32 AM
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But when it comes to military issues, the fact that McCain voted against the GI Bill as well as against increased funding for veterans' health care multiple times makes him a traitor to his own cause.
It doesn't matter to me if he broke under pressure while being tortured, if he refused early release due to his own honor or if he refused it because it was standard military practice to do so, or even if he was a bad pilot with a history of recklessness.
That all happened decades ago. What I care about is that McCain uses his POW record to promote his patriotism, his experience, and his loyalty to the military while voting to deprive those who serve of the just rewards they have earned.
I am absolutely against the Iraq invasion and occupation, as I was the Vietnam debacle. I am aware that US troops often commit atrocities, kill innnocent civilians, and torture. And I know that the military is voluntary, so there's a case to be made that they knew what they were getting into. However, many members of the US forces were poor and saw the military as a way to find economic security. Others really and truly believed in bringing democracy to oppressed people (right or wrong). Some were tricked into signing up.
But in any case, these people - mostly very young and sometimes even too young to drink alcohol legally - put themselves in danger for what they believed was the good of their country. Many, many of them had no idea what they had signed up for, and quite a few were in the National Guard.
We now have troops returning with serious physical and mental illnesses, unable to get jobs or medical care. We have veterans living on the streets and in poverty. And we have McCain, the Big Promoter of His Military Record and Lover of War voting against funding for the health of these broken individuals. He has voted against funding to send them to college.
McCain doesn't have to worry about his own economic security or health care. He comes from a wealthy family, married an even wealthier woman, and has had his own socialized medicine courtesy of the US taxpayer the whole time he's been in the senate. He's a hypocrite of the worst kind, no matter what he did or what was done to him 40 years ago.
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Posted by: ProudVietnamVet on Oct 17, 2008 3:25 PM
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Responding to a comment by NoMcCainPalin, Karl.Ben alleged the following:
"He [Hackworth] wore medals he did not earn and seems to have a history of unbalanced behavior. There is nothing credible about him."
Regarding NoMcCainPalin's retort that Hackworth had been "exonerated of all accusations that he didn't earn his medals," Karl.Ben said that wasn't true and accused NoMcCainPalin of spreading lies.
Previously I have been an AlterNet reader but not a commentator. Because of Karl.Ben's unfounded and malicious attack against MY hero, Col. Hackworth, I have decided to participate in veteran-related AlterNet conversations, starting with the following defense of "Hack":
Before his death from cancer in 2005, CNN and the CBS evening news with Dan Rather questioned the accuracy of Hackworth's own military decorations.
In particular, the reports accused Hackworth of claiming a Ranger tab to which he was not entitled and an extra Distinguished Flying Cross on his website.
Hackworth threatened to sue CBS and requested a formal audit of his military records. In response to the military audit, the Executive Producer of CBS News sent a letter to Hackworth that stated:
"The Army's audit of its records has determined that the Army made an administrative error back in 1988, when it reissued your medals and awards."
"Along with numerous other decorations, the Army mistakenly issued you a Ranger Tab and two Oak Leaf Clusters for your Distinguished Flying Cross. The Army has thus verified what we reported as your explanation of the matter."
"As far as we are concerned, the Army audit makes clear that you [Hackworth] did not at any time wear or claim any military honor not actually issued by the U.S. Army, based on its official records, including the service record you signed and dated."
"At the same time, CBS continues to believe that our reports did not state or imply that you knowingly wore or claimed decorations not issued by the U.S. Army and that any such inference drawn from the reports would be mistaken."
"Indeed, as we believe we made clear in our reports, by all accounts you are a man who has shown extraordinary heroism in your service to our country, and has deservedly been awarded many of the nation's most coveted awards for valor."
Karl.Ben should be ashamed of himself for smearing a deceased war hero. Hopefully, AlterNet readers will ignore any criticism he has of Col.Hackworth.
Attention NoMcCainPalin: Please email me so I can help you expose Songbird McCain as the traitor he is. My address is: WAL737Captain@aol.com
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Posted by: cori on Oct 17, 2008 4:01 PM
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Don’t worry about Mickey Mouse or ACORN stealing the election. According to an investigative report out today in Rolling Stone magazine, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast, after a year-long investigation, reveal a systematic program of "GOP vote tampering" on a massive scale.
- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.
Over several months, the GOP politicos in Colorado stonewalled every attempt by Rolling Stone to get an answer to the massive purge - ten times the average state's rate of removal.
- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.
Kennedy, a voting rights lawyer, charges this is a resurgence of 'Jim Crow' tactics to wrongly block Black and Hispanic voters.
- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."
- Digging through government records, the Kennedy-Palast team discovered that, in 2004, a GOP scheme called "caging” ultimately took away the rights of 1.1 million voters. The Rolling Stone duo predict that, this November 4, it will be far worse.
There's more:
- Since the last presidential race, "States used dubious 'list management' rules to scrub at least 10 million voters from their rolls."
Among those was Paul Maez of Las Vegas, New Mexico - a victim of an unreported but devastating purge of voters in that state that left as many as one in nine Democrats without a vote. For Maez, the state's purging his registration was particularly shocking - he's the county elections supervisor.
The Kennedy-Palast revelations go far beyond the sum of questionably purged voters recently reported by the New York Times.
"Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle politics," report Kennedy and Palast, under the cover of fighting fraudulent voting, are "systematically disenfranchis[ing] Democrats."
The investigators level a deadly serious charge:
"If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls - they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."
Block the Vote by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Greg Palast in the current issue (#1064) of Rolling Stone. [Media enquiries - Dave Falkenstein, Sunshine Sachs & Assoc, via interviews@gregpalast.com.]
Note - Kennedy and Palast are releasing, simultaneously with the Rolling Stone investigative report what they call, the vote-theft 'antidote': a 24-page full-color comic book, Steal Back Your Vote, which can be downloaded or obtained in print from their non-partisan website, StealBackYourVote.org
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Posted by: Jeanne on Oct 17, 2008 4:29 PM
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Posted by: richholland on Oct 17, 2008 11:54 PM
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the nazis and americans have the same strategy; reading about mccain, watching him at TV.I see no hero.
Why to torture somebody if he is usefull to you???
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Posted by: mkm1948 on Oct 18, 2008 3:39 AM
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Posted by: tommy57 on Oct 18, 2008 6:57 AM
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John McCain was not tortured but Day lied about his collaborating friend to get his medal of honor. While McCain was getting the kid glove treatment Day was doing his collaborating too I am sure. They are both a couple of losers who sought empathy from the American public after the war, profiteering, while the real heroes fought and many died in the ground wars of Vietnam. Johnny “please don’t hurt me – my daddy is an admiral” McChicken, has the audacity to raise questions about Barrack Obama, knowing he was a coward during the Vietnam War. Johnny was liar during and after the war and is a liar now!
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Posted by: Beastly on Oct 19, 2008 10:25 AM
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And if your response is that we should 'fight fire with fire,' consider that such an attack as this will only backfire, given its source, and the simple fact that McCain's POW story is so cherished by the nation that to sully it, rightly or not, will only engender resentment.
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Posted by: Jeanne253 on Oct 19, 2008 1:14 PM
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Posted by: billyweather on Oct 21, 2008 7:25 PM
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Pathetic. Sad.
Very reliable source too. A prison guard. Good grief.
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