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Hank Paulson and His Wall Street Cronies Move to Plan B

By Nomi Prins, The Nation. Posted October 15, 2008.


Paulson and his wheeler-dealer pals have proven more interested in preserving their own wealth than in stabilizing the American economy.

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How do you stop a ship from sinking, and simultaneously rebuild it to prevent its future destruction? That was the question in the minds of the world's central bankers as they sat down over the weekend to figure out how to right the global financial Titanic.

European leaders came up with a plan to inject "unlimited short-term funds" into the system in addition to $2.3 trillion of guarantees and various emergency measures (pledged by Germany, Britain, France, The Netherlands, Spain, Portugal and Austria). This could be like dumping money into a black hole, since most of these funds will be given in the form of loans, which means banks must come up with adequate collateral to back them, which is in short supply these days. But it's more decisive than anything the Treasury or Federal Reserve has done so far.

Indeed, the coordinated efforts of the European central banks have had a more positive initial impact on the markets than the bipartisan passage of Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's $700 billion rescue fund did. That announcement preceded an eight-day market selloff and the global freezing of credit. This one sent the Dow zooming up 11.1 percent, its biggest percentage gain since 1933. But the week is young.

Meanwhile, the question addressed by Paulson Monday is what to do with that $700 billion? To answer this, he sat down with his friends, the leaders of the largest financial institutions in America that got us into this mess. Namely, Ken Lewis, CEO of Bank of America; Jamie Dimon, CEO of J.P. Morgan Chase; Lloyd Blankfein, Paulson's successor at Goldman Sachs; John Mack, CEO of Morgan Stanley; and Vikram Pandit, CEO of Citigroup.

These men have shown themselves to be far more interested in preserving themselves than in stabilizing the general economy for American citizens. And it's a safe bet (probably the safest out there) that their philosophy remains intact.

Economists and media pundits over the weekend optimistically hoped that Paulson might get a clue that his initial idea of purchasing $700 billion of toxic assets would not stabilize the financial system. Having worked on Wall Street, I remain cynical about the notion that purchasing assets was off the table.

And it turns out that Paulson's Plan B is not to completely abandon plan A. So far, he has decided to spend $250 billion of that $700 billion to buy equity stakes in banks whose future losses are still unknown. The rest could conceivably be used to buy up toxic assets.

These, and other related decisions are to be made, in large part, by Paulson's former protégé at Goldman Sachs (and now interim assistant treasury secretary) Neel Kashkari. Kashkari described the equity purchase program as "voluntary and designed with attractive terms to encourage participation from healthy institutions."

But encouraging participation hardly seems an issue. There's not a bank around that wouldn't want its stock price boosted by a Treasury purchase of its bleeding shares. Equally, every bank has a bunch of toxic assets good to go.

There are equally eager participants running this plan, too. No fewer than seven policy teams and five veteran government officials have been culled to figure out which banks will receive the most help. (This comes as the leaders of the top five cozy up to Paulson.)

There's also no shortage of firms wanting a piece of the action of the bright new Treasury hedge fund. Seventy financial firms have made bids (i.e., asked for money) to become master custodian of the fund, managing inflow and outflow.

One hundred firms have bid to become one of the five master program operators that will decide which assets to buy and how to manage them. Let's see if Goldman Sachs makes the cut.

The outcome of Monday's meeting included no request for more stringent banking regulations going forward. That would require a complete restructuring of the financial landscape into transparent, manageable parts à la the Glass Steagall Act of 1933, which separated commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance companies.

The meeting did not provide a much-needed disclosure of the dangers that still lurk on the books of these firms, in a painfully transparent manner that will illuminate future losses, a move that would help alleviate the uncertainty that has been dragging down the market and freezing corporate and consumer credit alike.

As Paulson waffles on action and plans, always weighing Wall Street demands first, European leaders are taking more decisive action with their coordinated capital-injection moves. But it remains to be seen whether these will work. Perhaps their actions are an admission of responsibility; British and European institutions also made reckless bets with inadequate capital backing them.

But they all of the world's central bankers should really consider injecting more transparency and regulation, to restore international confidence, not just money. They must create a global financial structure that will both contain the fallout and avoid a repeat performance--one that never again will be so opaque, over-leveraged and dangerous.

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Nomi Prins is a senior fellow at the public policy center Demos and author of Other People's Money and Jacked: How "Conservatives" are Picking your Pocket (Whether you voted for them or not).

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The Japanese Plan ... 15 Miserable Years
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 15, 2008 12:19 AM   
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Re-capitalizing insolvent banks is exactly what Japan did and it cost them 15 years of crippled economic growth. We are implementing the Japanese Plan to backstop the very people who created this mess and the political power that enabled it.

We won't be so lucky as Japan. Japan had a much higher savings rate and, at the time, the second highest trade surplus in the world, second only to Germany. We have a negative savings rate and a trade deficit that can only be described as catastrophic.

What needs to happen before we take stakes in banks is to audit these banks and let the weak banks fail and combine them with stronger better managed banks. FDR did this with his Bank Holiday. The Swedish and Norwegians did this in what now is known as the Swedish or Scandinavian Plan.

As it stands now, by re-capitalizing all banks, especially the major Wall Street Banks, is that we are freezing into place bad debt that will cripple our economic system for years to come while rewarding those that caused the mess and the politicians who enabled them.

Paulson's Plan B will only push the pain of the banks rotten loans onto the backs of the public with years of economic stagnation and decay. If things go very wrong the tax payers will be out all that money and will be pouring even more good money into these insolvent carcasses while risking the crash of the dollar.

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» **smiles** Posted by: ~Fiona~
» Just trying up here now. Posted by: Prophit
FASCIST Wolves Now Have ALL the Keys to the Sheep Farm
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Oct 15, 2008 1:43 AM   
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And the bloody feast is just beginning.

Only fools could have failed to predict the Wall Street cave-in underway when signs of it were blatant years ago. “Bubbles” Greenspan, Paulson and assorted DC-corporate crime insiders may be many sordid and mendacious things but fools they are not.

This is not about "socialism" or "socializing" anything as many at the corporate MSM would have us believe. One more time: It is a further concentration of power into ruling class, crony Fascism at the hands of a parasite Monopoly Corporate Crime Regime .

Until private Fascist bank frauds like the "Federal Reserve" Corp (never federal, with less than ZERO reserves) and its counterparts in Europe are replaced with real public banks that cannot inflate and deflate the money supply with phony bubble money at will, this manmade crisis will only grow worse before it gets better. Then it will start all over again.

Remember: real wealth is never destroyed at financial crashes. Wealth merely changes hands from sheep to wolves.


“Our financial institutions are in a strong financial position, and our economic fundamentals are healthy…”
Hank Paulson (IMF meeting 10/20/07)

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» You are so right Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: You are so right Posted by: Prophit
» Yikes! Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: Prophit: Post your links... Posted by: oregoncharles
» OK, lets try it then...... Posted by: Prophit
» RE: You are so right Posted by: Von
Coming next -- Plan "C"
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 15, 2008 1:46 AM   
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Short for "Christ Almighty, what do we do now?"

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» RE: Coming next -- Plan "C" Posted by: Godfather89
» Nope, it didn't work. Posted by: Prophit
» RE: Plain text links Posted by: oregoncharles
The Simplest and Most Elegant Solution is to Pay The Toxic Assets Off at Their Source
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 3:33 AM   
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The problem is not the rotten loans themselves - but the complex highly leveraged bets and insurance on these bets. The size of these is so enormous that when triggerred they will likely bring down - like a domino effect - virtually every financial institution in the World that has any exposure to them - which is most.

The root cause of all this mess is giving large mortgages to poor people in America which the providers knew would be impossible to pay off unless house prices continued to rise forever.

A much cheaper and elegant solution than what Paulson proposed (under threat of martial law) would be to simply pay off all the "toxic" mortgages so that there were no defaults.

That would unwind all the bets as these "assets" would no longer be toxic - but fully paid.

Of course it would also mean that some of poorest Americans could continue to live in their homes without having to pay anything back but that's what homes are for - to be lived in.

Already an enormous percentage of homes in the US are unoccupied and being trashed by the people who used to live there who are now living on the Street.

However I guess such a solution would be deemed too Christian by the Satanists running the show, collecting all the loot and crashing the entire system.

The perceived unfairness of giving the poorest people houses for free is pretty much irrelevant in the overall scheme of things.

This solution would almost certainly entail the banks getting considerably less cash than is currently proposed.

In order to solve any real problem - you need to go to the source.

Currently the problem has not been solved - it has merely been patched up.

The alternative could still be complete and utter total financial collapse where money simply stops working.

This would only be a first step in solving the horrendous mess.

To really bring the financial system back from the brink of collapse needs both stringent Government regulation to prevent the most outrageous gambling scams - but also a real cultural change with regards to morality and what money is REALLY about.

It's to motivate people to do useful work - to build useful things and provide useful services and to make the World a better place for all life on the Planet.

Money shouldn't be a tool of control and force using fear - but one of empowerment so that people are motivated to improve their lives and their planet rather than turning it into a cesspit of despair and destruction.

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RAS1142
Posted by: RAS1142 on Oct 15, 2008 6:04 AM   
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THIS BAILOUT BY THE WINDSOR-ROTHSCHILD CRIME FAMILY IS THE LAST PHASE TO THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, AKA THE ONE WORLD ORDER, IF YOU CONTROL THE MONEY OF A COUNTRY, YOU CONTROL THAT COUNTRY. AND NOW THEIR GOING INTO THEIR FINAL PHASE CONTROL THE MONEY OF THE WORLD AND YOU CONTROL THE WORLD,AND WITH THAT THEY WILL HAVE CONTROL OF OUR FOOD SUPPLY BEING WE NOW IMPORT 80% OF OUR FOOD.THEIR AGENDA IS ON TRACK, WITH BUSH GIVING 250,000,000,000 TO THE BANKS TO FREE UP CREDIT, THIS WILL GIVE THE RNC, CARL ROVE HIDING IN THE SHADOWS, AND MC-CAIN THE CREDIT AND FINANCES, TO WIN THE ELECTION, AND THEIR AGENDA WILL GO FORWARD, THE NAU, THE AMERO,IN AND AROUND 2010 AND ALL WITH MC-CAIN AS PRESIDENT, THEY HAVE LET IT LOOK LIKE OBAMA IS A HEAD AND MAY WIN, JUST TO KEEP THE AMERICAN VOTERS EYE OFF THE BALL, WHEN ROVE AND COMPANY COUNT THE VOTES, YOU ALL KNOW WHO THE WINNER WILL BE.THEY HAVE STACKED THE DECK AND FIX THE GAME.IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT, GOOGLE (THE EMPIRE OF THE CITY PART II) AND PLEASE TAKE THE TIME AND WATCH THIS IN FULL. IN THE END WE ARE GOING TO HAFT TO FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM AGAIN.

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Sad day
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 15, 2008 6:25 AM   
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Pretty sad isnt it. No wonder the US is the laughing stalk of the entire world!

Jiff
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Why is it Alternet, or the Nation or any of the other alternative news will not....
Posted by: Prophit on Oct 15, 2008 6:30 AM   
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... mention globalizing??? That is what this is all about. Not one single article on it or if there was, I missed it and would love to be directed to it, but even if there was, its been rare. This article discusses the meeting of global ministers for finance but nothing about their recommendations for a "global" solution.

Our nation is going down big time, just like Iceland did this week, and yet, Alternet spends tons of bandwidth on petty politics, when its clear it makes no difference which one gets in.

This agenda will go forward and both candidates VOTED FOR THE BAILOUT THAT IS CAUSING IT AND BOTH HAVE RECEIVED HEAVY MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CONTRIBUTIONS FROM WALL STREET, WITH OBAMA GETTING $4 MILLION MORE THAN MCINSANE. The DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED CONGRESS VOTED FOR IT while the repubs majorily voted against it even on the day it passed. That goes against everything I have always thought about the dems.

SO HOW COME YOU DON'T POINT IT OUT OR TALK ABOUT IT, JUST LIKE THE MSM????? Lets get it out right now and discuss why the ELEPHANT IN THE LIVING ROOM IS NOT BEING DISCUSSED???

Are you in favor of the loss of sovereignty and for globalizing? If so, say so and sell it to us.

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» "International" Posted by: fanny666
6 Month old 2 1/2 Pg Ranson Note is Evidential
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 15, 2008 6:41 AM   
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Why is this Asshole Not in Prison?
Is not the FACT Paulson had that BS bailout plan in his desk for 6 MONTHS not proof enough He had ForeKnowledge of this catasrophic event and DID NOTHING -except take 5 minutes to scribble Out this Ranson Note. Is this not comaprable to a Kidnapper who kills his Hostage THEN Sends the conditions for Release? THE VICTIM HAS ALREADY BE EXECUTED!!!!
Is this Not Brazen Criminality on Paulson and Bernekes part? These SOB's KNEW 6 months ago Banks were going to start crashing, a WAITED!
Considering the Results Does that not Constitute MALICE??? And As Such TREASON?

Another 4 yrs of McCain is a guarantee these guys will Continue to destroy our country- as they have been working towards for the last 40 yrs.
Should (Pray) Obama get in He'd better already have Surveillance on these Criminals, And also Arrest Warrants ready to be executed on 1-20-09 following the last syllable he Utters of the Oath.
Bushies (CheneyCorp) may claim they can not find a 6 ft Dialysis Patient, But I have NO doubt We can find Each and Everyone of these TRAITORS anywhere around the World!there will Be Nowhere to Run ,Nowhere to Hide...Because WE Will Use EVERY means at Our disposal, Including other countries poplations. I'm betting a few other people would like to get their hands on them Too!
What should cause more Fear in the hearts of these Traitors is the FACT it is NOT Obama who motivates US, It is Our Innate Sense of Justice and Our Rage at what they have done to Our Great Country.


Cave Adsum
I Confido

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RAISE WAGES!!!
Posted by: Cybershaman on Oct 15, 2008 6:46 AM   
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For thirty years the American worker, and the worlds workers, have had their work loads increased but not their compensation.

Those 'productivity increases' should have been compensated for but instead the money was sent into the salaries of the top people. Salaries increased hundreds of times over for CEOs while the average worker had to use credit to keep up with the cost of living.

Each time this situation threatened to come to a head, financial bubbles were created to mask the symptoms. This latest one was an appraisal bubble where families were suckered into refinancing their homes, in order to squeeze out some of their increased equity, to pay down their accumulated credit card debt.

As these bubbles burst, the economy tanks, but those top salaries still increase exponentially. We have just injected $250 billion into those salaries without doing anything about the REAL problem. The jobs that paid enough to afford a mortgage have been eliminated and the service jobs that came to replace them are not enough to sustain this economy.

The only solution that will have any long term effect will be to bring down the top wages and boost the lower ones. Bring back the jobs that pay $25-50/hr! Stop creating jobs that pay only $10-15/hr! All these other solutions do is aggravate the problem.

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» RE: AISE WAGES!!! Posted by: richholland
The gift of crony-ism
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 15, 2008 6:55 AM   
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George W. Bush inherited a surplus and a Republican Congress intent on de-regulating the markets! Well 7+ years, 2 atrocious wars, unemployment skyrocketing, loss of respect the world over, and now taxpayers are bailing out Wall Street!

While you can blame the "poor" for the housing meltdown, the truth is there were and are a whole host of culprits in that deal: (1)Congress that ensured massive de-regulation was the best route to go, (2)banks and investment firms that came up with newer Ponzi schemes to screw over Main Street to make their pockets fatter, (3)real estate appraisers that helped to inflate the prices of these houses, (4)a credit and consumer driven economy where everyone needs to "feel" better and "have" more than the next guy, (5)the investor class that invested for the short term to make a quick buck, (6) and finally the borrower!

The reality is that America(ns) is in the shape that it is, because we continue to put elected officials into office that don't give a damn about the people - but are all for helping out their cronies at the expense of all of us! We deserve exactly what we got - because far too many of us are not thinking and falling for the feel good fear factor! Don't understand what that means then let me tell you: it means you get distracted by false issues abortion (don't have one), gay marriage (unless you're gay why does it bother you), so called activist judges (judges are supposed to interpret just laws, and when laws are not just or clear the new ruling is what makes "case law"), "big government"(can someone really define what that means), etc.!

Personally, I want someone that is smart, educated, and just might have a clue - and at least is willing to listen to other people about an issue even if they don't agree! Personally, I want someone that is willing to tackle health-care, because while I have it I still pay thru the nose; and yet I am grateful because I know that it can be worse! Personally, I want someone that realizes science is important - you see it's going to take research to get this country off of it's oil addiction! Frankly, I want someone that understands that education is important, because ignorance isn't bliss - it's ignorance and it's dangerous, need proof look at the current occupant of 1600 Penn. Ave. and the McCain/Palin ticket! We cannot reward these people with another 4 years to solidify the destruction of this country! Personally, I want someone that's thinking and can articulate to the rest of the world, and not have to rely on our military as the first and only resort! Frankly, the government is supposed to make sure that as individuals we are protected from the avarice of the corporate state otherwise known as fascism! The government is supposed to make sure that there are laws that everyone must obey! The government is supposed to be the watchman against the tremendous private power of the corporate elite, not a dog that rolls over for them! The government is supposed to write the laws that govern how things are done! The government is supposed to help the average man/women against all enemies foreign and domestic, not a collaborator with those that would hurt the average American!

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The rich had a choice
Posted by: SouthernWolf on Oct 15, 2008 7:50 AM   
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They could help the American economy but ruin their own economy or they could help their own economy but ruin the economy for everyone else. They chose to help their own economy and let Americans pay for it with 700 billion bucks, which will allow Wall Street to keep their mansions and expensive cars. What got the American economy in a crisis was the rich sending jobs to other countries and putting Americans out of work, giving easy credit for houses and everything else to people who then lost their jobs, while giving themselves tax cuts and tax havens so the tax burden fell on the non-rich. Now all that came home to roost on Americans since the rich cannot bear the thought they might lose their wealth over the bad debt they assumed. Not to worry, the 700 billion swindle will allow the rich to keep their cheddar and eat it too.

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Hank Paulson and his cronies
Posted by: fanny666 on Oct 15, 2008 8:41 AM   
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Hank Paulson and his cronies - Paulson's relationships with some of these failed institution.

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Let's grab the imaginary bull by the horns...and WIN
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 15, 2008 8:57 AM   
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Let's get very real for a second. Money,gold,oil, all the crap we think of as being 'worth' anything is really an illusion.
This financial meess is one too. It's really just a lame ploy by the rich to hang on to their money while they steal ours.

Let's really go 'forward' in this whole finance thing. Greed is something we've always dealt with. The Indians saw it comming when they'd give settlers a chunk of land and they would steal more. So let's take the greed out of the system,even if only for a short time.
Let's be really radical and take everyone debt,for every person,business,country, all over the world and shift the amounts from the 'debt' side of the ledger and move it to the 'asset' side. Since we affix 'value' on what's really poorly done hand held artwork we should be able to flip the script and truly jumpstart the economic machine.

Sure there are going to be millions of folks that will say this is a nutty idea. Well those are the assholes that have control issues. They
want to control you,your family,and their incomes. The greedy never want someone getting anywhere near their station in life. Well I have one thing to say to them....." FUCK YOU!"

What happens when you give folks that have no money a shot at substantial means of support? They spend the money. The very thing the assholes in DC keep telling us how the economy grows.But it's only the rich that have money and they don't share and have no plans on doing so.

Paulson's the same waste of skin all the rest of the greedy asses are. So....If they want to tie off America's arm,raise a needy vein and wait for the hype full of cash,then these money junkies their 'fix' taken away and given to those who really need it,THE 52% OF US THAT LIVE ON $32,000 A YEAR OR LESS.

So instead of incurring the costs of printing the cash,just log on to everybodies bank accounts,like they already can' and turn all debts into assets. No printing hassles,no cash trucks pulling up to worthless banks. Just a simple flip of the switch.

To make it really fair we need to do it for the entire World,yes even the rich jerks that got us into this mess because they have debts too. But this would really be the biggest help to the widest possible population.

The price and value of stocks,money,bonds and all that shit is basically made up. If they were all gone 'value' would be on who grew the best foods or was the best hunter. I think before we get that far down,we should 'PAY OURSELVES. IT'S OUR TAXES THAT MADE THIS COUNTRY,IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO PAY US BACK.
With cash,not hollow promises that are only geared towards the rich and greedy.
Jeffrey7

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I'm Not Convinced That Anything You Have Posted Here Has Been Censored By Alternet
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 9:09 AM   
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The thing is that you are quite obviously highly emotional amd worked up about all that is going on.

Join the club - so am I.

But when in an emotionally very charged state - it is easy to make mistakes when attempting to post stuff - and think you are being censored.

Sure stuff does get censored on here. Certainly some of my posts have been deleted - quite rightly so...

But I also thought I was being censored when I accidentally hit one of the options on the site that I wasn't even aware of.

And I've seen your Execution Video and all I believe - is that she said it - which is in itself remarkable...

However - I do not believe it is true.

See below and chill

I see it was on Fox News so it can't possibly be true.

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How the parasite corporatists look at things
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 15, 2008 9:18 AM   
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The WTO, indeed all the institutions of global management of the capitalist system such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, sure learned their lesson fast. All subsequent gatherings of these conclaves of the world's rulers have taken place behind the protection of tens of thousands of police and soldiers guarding the gates of finance against the assault of the barbarians.


from http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JJ16Dj03.html

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How Many?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Oct 15, 2008 9:28 AM   
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Times have the readers and writers on this blog voted for one of the Main Party Candidates? Every time?

I can only conclude that the mass of the American people are terminally stupid, brain dead, or too frightened to vote for any other way than the corporate way.

There is no nice way to say this: You people are fools.

Vote Nader if you want real change: what have you got to loose?

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The Trillion Dollar Bash..!
Posted by: TJColatrella on Oct 15, 2008 9:40 AM   
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This is Paulson's, Trillion Dollar Bash..!

Remember the Bob Dylan song with The Band on the Basement Tapes Million Dollar Bash well it's time for a re-write:

The Trillion Dollar Bash..!

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Greed
Posted by: Quasar on Oct 15, 2008 10:41 AM   
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never sleeps.

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Greed
Posted by: Quasar on Oct 15, 2008 10:41 AM   
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never sleeps.

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» RE: Greed Posted by: follow the money
Oy veh!
Posted by: willymack on Oct 15, 2008 10:57 AM   
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There seems to be an inexhaustible supply of knuckleheads for the bushies to draw upon th "fix" any problem. Trouble is that the cure is invariably worse than the disease.

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Big Surprise
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Oct 15, 2008 11:16 AM   
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What, a self-aggrandizing Republican??? Good God, what next--an incompetent Democrat? Between the lines of all their bullshit, the GOP's message to Americans just trying to feed their kids is, "Sucks to be you, Mr. Taxpayer."

Because, you will recall, 30+ years ago, the sainted Ronald Reagan decreed that thenceforth, all poverty was to be considered a vice and a sign of weak character. (Kind of like John Calvin, only 500 years of human experience later.)

In the same vein, does anyone doubt that Bush and Cheney, the most dedicated terrorists on the planet, are going to leave office with "diamonds on the soles of their shoes"?

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So Why Did the Democrats Push it Through?
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 15, 2008 11:22 AM   
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Once again, everybody:

It wasn't the Republicans who pushed through Paulson's $700,000,000,000 graft. IT WAS THE DEMOCRATS, with Obama displaying some real leadership to make it happen. I wonder if that has anything to do with the $22 million he's received from Wall Street?

This was the most bizarre and frightening political spectacle I've ever seen, and in 40-odd years I've seen a lot of them. The parties completely switched roles.

This is a foretaste of what's to come, when the Democrats completely control government. They won't have those big, bad, scary Republicans serving as cover any more: their agenda will be right out there in the open for all to see. The last 2 years, when they controlled Congress, were just a foretaste.

I foresee bonanza years for the Green Party.

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They Forgot About You!
Posted by: websmith on Oct 15, 2008 1:54 PM   
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A $700 billion bank rescue plan has turned into a bank buyout plan of banks that are not in trouble. The banks that are not in trouble will be able to buy assets of the failing banks for pennies on the dollar and grow richer while mortgages will continue to fail and retirement funds will continue to disappear. Why can't people see this for the rip off that it is? The one thing that was designed to protect the middle class, the Constitution, has been trashed.

http://ewebsmith.com/finance/playboys.html

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The Bankers In The UK Are Shitting Themselves Silly At The VERY Real THREAT of NATIONALISATION
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 2:08 PM   
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And Government Control

For Example Barclays are Saying

FUCK OFF We Do NOT Want Your Government Money - We will find it ourselves in The Market

Because They Realise That With The Government Buying The Majority Of Their Shares (Possibly VERY Cheaply)

The Government Will Impose Regulation To STOP Your Silly Games

Gordon Brown Might Be a Boring Socialist But He is Still a FUCKING GENIUS

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The important thing to take into account is that it is only money
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 3:15 PM   
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And so you suddenly realise that instead of being $1,000,000 up you are suddenly $1,000,000,000,000,000 down

You just say

"Hello love - we have a slight problem"

"I have just lost all our money"

And she says

"Don't worry Love - I married you cos I love you - I'm not bothered about money"

And he says

"Yes Love I Really Love You Too - But it is a bit more serious than that - I also lost other peoples money"

And she says

"How much?"

And he says

"Well about $1,000,000,000,000,000"

And she says -

"Yeh - well what about Sandra's husband - how did he do?"

Tony

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wastern hyposcrisy in bailout versus Asian crisis of 1997
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 15, 2008 4:17 PM   
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Southeast Asia
Oct 3, 2008


ASIA HAND
SE Asian memo to Wall St
By Shawn W Crispin

BANGKOK - Seared into Southeast Asia's collective memory is the iconic image of the 1997-98 Asian financial crisis, where International Monetary Fund (IMF) chief Michel Camdessus towered with crossed arms over a bent-down Indonesian President Suharto as he signed a sovereignty-eroding bailout agreement for his distressed economy.

Now with Wall Street's historic collapse, many in the region eagerly anticipate a reciprocal Kodak moment, with a US investment banker signing over his once-prestigious financial assets to an acquiring Japanese banker, Chinese money manager or perhaps even Singapore's champion of state-led capitalism, Lee Kuan Yew.

If Wall Street has its nationalistic way, they will have to wait. A



decade ago, Western-led free marketeers derided Asia's lightly regulated economic and financial models for being riddled with corruption, cronyism and overall mismanagement. The only way out of the financial crisis, they argued, and on what the IMF predicated its bailout packages, was greater foreign participation and management in their economies through asset sales and privatizations.

Governments in the region resisting IMF neo-liberal orthodox prescriptions and market-determined asset fire sales to foreigners were widely derided in the Western press. Many rang the "moral hazard" alarm bell, warning that unpunished profligate borrowers would be prone to return to their risky behavior on the expectation of future government bailouts.

Former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad's use of his executive power to consolidate troubled banks and slap currency controls on capital outflows was universally criticized at the time by pro-market commentators, who asserted endlessly that his interventionist approach was merely putting off Malaysia's ultimate moment of financial reckoning.

Thailand's interventionist move in 2001 to establish a state-led rescue facility for non-performing assets held at banks, known as the Thailand Asset Management Company, was likewise derided for being too little, too late, and ultimately a doomed-to-fail interventionist attempt to put off market-led asset price clearing.

And when Asian countries raised the idea of establishing an Asian Monetary Fund, to rival the IMF and stave off future regional financial crises without the perceived pro-Western conditions imposed by IMF-led bailouts, the US balked at the concept and lobbied against it until it was finally scrapped.

Ultimately Southeast Asia emerged stronger from its financial collapse, seen today in its low sovereign and corporate debt profiles, high levels of foreign reserves and reformed and recapitalized banks. That restoration was led mainly through market-driven depreciated currencies, improved terms of trade and eventually renewed capital inflows.

Now many of the same pro-market stalwarts who criticized Asia's half-market, half-interventionist response to the 1997-98 financial crisis are among the strongest proponents of the US government's proposed US$810 billion Wall Street bailout package, which the Senate passed on Wednesday - after $110 billion in tax breaks was tacked on to the initial $700 billion plan to lure votes from both parties. The House of Representatives is scheduled to consider the plan on Friday.

Rather than advocating for a market-price clearing of distressed assets and foreign buyouts of homegrown assets, as they did for Asia, many Western commentators have taken Wall Street's side in its plea for a government bailout of banks and bankers on the grounds that the US is simply to large too fail and without government intervention the entire US - if not global - economy is at risk.

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I Also Read NIGEL LAWSON - AN APPEAL TO REASON In The Rain in Mykonos 3 Weeks Ago
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 4:17 PM   
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Nigel's Book is Little and Lovely and Incredibly Soft

But I Couldn't Put it Down Until After I Had Finished Reading It

Nigel Lawson is a Former Chancellor of The Exchequer of The United Kingdom writing about Climate Change and Economics and Poverty Surprisingly Enough

He Too is Not The SLIGHTEST Bit Corrupt even if his economic theories about Globalisation are rubbish. He should have gone to Chicago and actually seen the City where this nonsense came from from Milton Friedman et al

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And Brown's Appointment of The Prince of Darkness was also Brilliant
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 5:08 PM   
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Fucking Hell

If George Bush Can invite Ozzy Osbourne Into His Whitehouse

Then Gordon Brown Can Invite Peter Mandleson

Listen Guys You Don't UNDERSTAND

It is not as simple as you think

We have also got loads of American Republicans on our Side in the Fight To Get Our Democracy Back

Tony

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Hey Prophit I'm Being Censored From Posting on a UK Website At The Moment
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 6:16 PM   
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I actually tried to post a real person's name and that is completely out of order

I really appreciate censorship occasionally

I can't afford the time to be sued

For calling someone a wanker

However I reckon George Bush and Tony Blair are fair game

I will let you take on Dick Cheney

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Americans Will Soon Work Out That The Planet Earth is Round
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 7:29 PM   
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In Fact our planet Earth is a Globe

And Our Planet Is Not The Centre Of The Universe

And America is Not The Chosen Country And America is Not The Centre of The Planet

In fact America is just a small island off the coast of Ireland

We sent our better convicts to Australia

They had a sense of humour

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Racist Jewish Site
Posted by: mindtrvlr on Oct 15, 2008 9:44 PM   
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http://www.actforamerica.org/

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Where's the Help?
Posted by: websmith on Oct 17, 2008 2:28 PM   
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A $700 billion bank rescue plan has turned into a bank buyout plan of banks that are not in trouble. The banks that are not in trouble will be able to buy assets of the failing banks for pennies on the dollar and grow richer while mortgages will continue to fail and retirement funds will continue to disappear. After all of this money is given to the banks, people still won’t have the money to buy goods and services and the economy will still fail. Why can't people see this for the rip off that it is? The one thing that was designed to protect the middle class, the Constitution, has been trashed.

http://ewebsmith.com/finance/playboys.html

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It's a scam
Posted by: sicntired on Oct 17, 2008 8:59 PM   
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The first thing the big banks began doing was trying to grab off as much of the 7 billion in fees as they could.These guys have learned nothing.To the contrary,they are being rewarded for their ostentatious behavior and have already confirmed their inability to control their avarice.Paulson and Bernacke should be looking for work in a field they understand.Finance is way out of their league.There must be somewhere that unbridled greed is a qualification.They should be running for office.

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