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5 Pieces of Advice for the New Paupers

By John Dolan, AlterNet. Posted October 15, 2008.


I just went through the hell of going from grad school-level poverty to the real thing. Here are my lessons learned.

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Little did I know that when I lost everything last year, I was doing research. At the time I thought it was just stupidity or bad luck or both. But now that the economy's crashing, it turns out I've been out there gathering valuable tips for millions of new paupers. And let me clarify, I'm talking real poverty. My wife and I fell through many layers of poverty in a few months. First we revisited the genteel poverty known to grad students, the sort of poverty where you have scary dreams about the rent and eat a simple, wholesome diet toward the end of the month. But we fell right through that into the sort of Dickensian privation that spoiled first-worlders like me never expected to experience. That's the kind of poverty a lot of people are going to be experiencing soon -- and I'm here to tell you, it can happen here and it can happen to you. And it's remarkably unpleasant. You may be saying "Duh!" here, but you're probably not imagining the proper sort of unpleasantness. So I'll try to lay out what to watch for, how to hunker down when it's not just a matter of cutting back or selling your second car but having no car at all, having no money for heat or food.

All the things we learned are going to seem pretty obvious, but remember that it's very hard to think clearly when your life has collapsed. These are what they call the old verities, the truths of life before the middle class was (briefly) in session:

Warmth

Above all, you need to have a dry, warm place to sleep. We had only an unheated boat, and that was not enough. We woke up to the thump of sea ice banging against the hull and realized that the old world was still very much in session. When we finally fled to stay with family, we stayed in our blankets up against their gas fireplace for weeks. You won't even want food much after a while. You'll want heat itself, not the chemical middleman. You are going to realize that cold is the most frightening thing in the world. In older English dialects, "to starve" meant "to freeze." You will see why.

Car

Got one? Maybe you should sell it. Cars drain the last dollars out of you. And there's something worse: Cops can smell desperation, and they hate the poor. I didn't hate cops as much before, except drug cops, but God, I hate them now. The real purpose of cops is to keep poor people off the roads. That's their only real goal. On my way to an interview for a job that could have gotten us out of the gutter, a cop stopped me because my insurance was two weeks overdue -- for the simple reason that we didn't have money to pay it. She gave me a $600 ticket for that, plus $120 for not having an updated address on my driver's license. Then she called for a tow truck and told me, "So, a lesson learned here today!" as I watched my car get towed away and trudged off with our terrified dog down a typical Western suburban road: four lanes of fast traffic with no sidewalks. Are you poor? The cops are your enemy now. Accept it. The car is how they'll try to get you. Sell it if you can -- which is to say, if there's any decent public transportation -- hah! -- where you live.

Shame

As in, forget about it. Shame is an affectation. I don't even need to say this, really. Once you've experienced actual cold and hunger, your good old Olduvai Gorge mammal body and brain will take over, and believe me, shame won't be a problem.

You'll also find that most of the social stuff is easier than you'd expect. These people are in show biz in a way; they have to be, just to survive. It makes them lively. And though I suppose it all depends on where you are when you lose out, in my experience they're not especially violent. They talk about it a lot, but so do all the white jocks I ever met, and in neither case does anything actually happen. They're flinchy people, mainly, who spend a lot of time waiting for things. When you're waiting, you get very frustrated but you don't want to shake things up. So they're tense, bitter, sociable, gossipy and treacherous -- a fine cross-section of the population. After waiting around with them in line at the local food bank, sharing "how I ended up here" stories and hanging out with them around a propane heater trying to stay warm, I relaxed a lot. They're not going to mug you. They are going to try to get any cash you have, and God did they get a huge chunk of our last resources, but it was friendly, schmooze-based extortion, just like in the middle-class world. All that was missing was the deodorant.

Food Banks

These places, usually in the basement of a church (because churches are the only public institutions in the new suburbs of western North America) hand out baskets of groceries every week or, more often, every two weeks. You have to wait a long time, so learn your refugee skills. Come early, get a number first, and be nice but pushy. It's a delicate operation, being nice but pushy, but you'll learn it. The "nice" part is because you need to ask people for help and advice; you're not rich enough to be solitary anymore. The pushy part is simple: It's to prevent you from being ignored. So always talk to people, but never show money or mention it, if you have any.

Antidepressants

Get on them right away, if you're not already. If you are, up your dose. Because it's going to hurt. It doesn't matter how much Marxist theory you've absorbed; it doesn't matter that you can put your fall into global context; it's happening to you now, and it's going to hurt like you wouldn't believe. You're an American, and you share that culture's values whether you like it or not. So you define yourself by your job, car and house. When they go, you're going to hate yourself. Don't even bother arguing about it. It's going to happen. Just take the damn Prozac. Would you refuse a coat in Siberia? Refusing Prozac after falling into poverty makes about as much sense. Tom Cruise can go fuck himself. Prozac saved our lives. I won't go into the sordid details, but really, I don't think we'd be here now if Saint Prozac hadn't extended a sacred hand to us.

So the second you slip beneath genteel poverty toward the street, find the nearest free clinic, and don't be deterred by the smell of the crowd in the waiting room. Smell is going to be a problem for you at first, but after a few weeks you won't mind, because you smell too, and so does everyone around you. If you want a break from the relentless olfactory fact of being around unwashed large mammals, sidle up to somebody who smokes. That's the one good thing about cigarettes, and it may be why losers all smoke. Don't smoke just for that, though. Cigarettes are insanely expensive and turn lots of poor people into cringing beggars.

How do you tell your story? That's going to matter, because you'll be brooding about what went wrong 24/7, whether you want to or not. And you'll find that explaining one's great fall is a vital skill among the fallen, as well as a deeply satisfying pastime. This raises the issue of denial, a vital and deeply misunderstood mechanism. Denial, like Kurtz said about Terror, is your friend or an enemy to be feared. You need some denial to keep your ego from being crushed completely. Your ego is going to get very sick, now that you're nobody. It's easy to be polite and self-deprecating when you're winning. I used to be like that. You can't afford that when you're being crushed. You have to demand respect if you expect to get it. The alternative is to dwindle away and disappear. Those antidepressants will help you deny the facts, but don't be shy about doing ego-exercises, boasting practice, to reawaken that playground ego that so many of us polite middle-class types allowed to atrophy. You're going to need it.

On a practical level, the question is what to jettison -- and I'm not just talking about things. If you have kids well, God help you; I can't give advice here, because luckily we didn't. But we did, unfortunately, have a dog, a big clumsy puppy we got just before everything fell apart. We probably should have given her up. Growing up in an atmosphere of terror and cold and self-hatred, she turned out to be a very weird, unhappy dog. I've had lots of dogs before this, back when I was comfy, and they were all nice suburban dogs, Frisbee-catching pals. This one's a feral freak. Now that we have a warm place to live, it's almost fun watching her reactions, the way she flinches and sniffs at every noise, smell or flash of color, but I know she would have been happier getting adopted by some family that complains about what a pain it is having just four bedrooms.

Besides, if you have a dog, you're cutting down on your chances of getting a job. This one howls when she's left alone, another legacy of her traumatic puppyhood, so one of us had to stay with her most of the time. It was like being handcuffed to the wretched unheated ex-fishing boat we were living on.

The boat was another contributor to our debacle; it was something else we should have sold off right away, even at a 90 percent loss. The idea behind that damn boat was that instead of paying the insanely high West Coast rents, we'd live on the boat for free. This is a very bad idea. Any idea you have of retreating to some simple, free habitation should be regarded with deep doubt. The thing is, you can't get back to the comfortable, heated world from a place like that boat. No Internet. You need the 'net if you're ever going to claw your way back. You need a working shower, which that boat lacked. Otherwise you develop that look, that smell you first encountered in the free clinic waiting room. It's not a good look, jobwise. Maybe if we'd gotten rid of the dog I'd have had a chance.

But you lose more than that. You change completely, more than you realize, to the point that even if you get a break you can't grab it. After months of applying for teaching jobs without even getting answers, the perfect job opened up for me at a local college. It was half creative writing, half teaching literature and composition -- all my specialties. But when the interview started I realized I was no longer someone who could talk the quiet, polite, oblique version of self-promotion demanded by academic hiring committees. I was too deeply, permanently spooked by our condition. I was just plain wrong, unhireably wrong in every way. No hot water on the boat, and I needed to shave the graying wisps of hair on my big bald head, so I'd shaved in the McDonald's men's room on the way to the interview, with a cheap Bic shaver. You can guess the results: I looked like a bobcat had tried to roost on my scalp and been evicted after a violent struggle. The used sport coat we'd spent our last $20 of Visa credit on at Value Village didn't seem to fit nearly so well once I was inside that humming, immaculate classroom where the interview was held. And I had become a louder, more desperate, excessive person. When I tried to sound positive, it came out furious. When they asked me, as I'd known they would, why someone who'd taught at bigger universities wanted to come to this small rural campus, I said truthfully, "I'd rather teach here in the forest than at Stanford." It didn't come out enthusiastic; it came out strident. After months of being a bum, I was the wrong volume, the wrong temperature. I could feel the job slipping away, and in fact they hired a local guy who was friends with the director, even though my resume kicked his resume's ass.

You'll find that if you want to get back into that quiet, odor-free, polite world, you're going to have to decompress for a few months. What happened to us is that we fled, found a basement apartment on borrowed money, and stayed there, keeping the heat on high for months. Then we were ready to try again for a job.

It took that long to calm down, quiet down, lose a little of the bitterness. Yes, you're going to be very bitter. You can't hate yourself all the time; you have to switch off now and then and blame somebody else. In fact, somebody else may damn well be to blame. Just make sure the bitterness doesn't keep you awake. To enable yourself to sleep, take long walks. Shout curses at the world if you need to; just keep walking. And no matter what, don't sell your sleeping bag. I had a North Face down bag, and I learned to love it way, way more than I loved myself.

Sleep is an antidepressant almost as good as Prozac. And it's free. The time to worry is when you wake up after a couple of hours screaming. That happened to me after five months, and that's when I broke down and asked my brother for a loan. That's where this story diverges from a real street story: I had an out. And believe me, I took it. I should have taken it sooner, in fact.

If you have an out -- a relative or friend who can lend you money to find a place to live -- take it now. And as soon as you get an offer -- some old friend has a ski cabin nobody's using, or a small unit behind their house -- take it, as long as it's heated.

The old world is very much alive, and has it in for you. Do anything to keep it from killing you. The only reason I haven't endorsed crime here is that from what I saw, paupers are not in a good position to try it. Like so much else, crime is for the big people.

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John Dolan is a contributor to eXiledonline.com. He is the author of, most recently, Pleasant Hell (Capricorn, 2005).

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Bad advice.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 15, 2008 1:49 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Do not sell your car. You might need it for a mobile home.

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I Could Have Written The Same Story 20 Years Ago...
Posted by: Lily H. on Oct 15, 2008 2:11 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Fascinating story! I was there starting the spring of 1985 - summer of 1986. As Dolan states, "God forbid
we had any children", well, I had one, and by the time
my homeless journey ended, I had a second.
I was one-half of a married couple with one child, in
hopes that my then-husband could find a suitable job
commiserate with the business degree he earned from a
reputable business school.
One missed rent check on the cozy, 3-bedroom house
we lived in and we were duly evicted despite attempts
to work with our landlord. We wound up moving from
this to our local homeless shelter in a state of very
pronounced shock.
We had no family willing to lend or help in any way,
they followed the usual lock-step conservative mind-
set, "Too bad, roll up and die".
Our old beater was towed away from in front of a
friend's house my husband temporarily stayed with.
Bye, bye, transportation! As said earlier, we checked
into the s"hell"ter on my 31st birthday. The staffers
were wondering why I'd kept writing my birthday and
the same date. Up until then, I'd been a shy, reserved
homemaker, didn't have much in the way of social skills or what passes for such then.
Dolan is right, however, how after a bout of homelessness, one's mind turns sort of reptilian,
as when my shy self suddenly got wind of a secret
program run by the shelter that allowed some families
to spend more than the two-week maximum, I morphed
from a shrinking violet into a super-sleuth, figuring
who I should contact to get on this coveted slot.
Alas, it didn't work out due to my husband's over-
heard comment to another resident to go out and grab
a beer.
I even looked into what'd I'd heard about a short-
term foster care program for our young son, who we
figured if he could stay somewhere temporarily, we
would be better able to get on our feet. We were
nearly ready to sign him over when I had the sudden
sense of forethought to ask the social worker,
"Will there be any special dispensation with the
court to show we were not neglectful parents and
only want to place him until we could get on our
feet?" The social worker answered, "No", and we
promptly got up and left the office, our son in
tow.
I'd kept journals during this time, and used to go
to parks and various quiet places to write when I
had the chance. I sometimes used to imagine I was
"Geraldo" or some journalist doing a documentary on
the homeless.
Like Dolan, I tried to get a good job, too. I applied
at a local women's organization for a clerk job, some-
thing I had experience in. I didn't get the job, either, but I happened by there sometime later, and
chatted up the person who was now employed at that
position. I asked, "How did you get this job?"
She replied, "I was called from another agency". So,
so much for upward mobility while homeless.
My odyssey finally ended when I became pregnant, and
upon first glance, figured I was a good candidate
for not keeping the pregnancy if there was any.
I went to a doctor, discussed my options, then
decided to challenge the pro-lifer's premise by
seeking out a church who could help me and my soon-
to-be arrival.
I wound up being put up by a Christian couple who
allowed me to live with them until I found an apart-
ment and ended my journey from homelessness. This is
a story that will be heard more and more as the
calamities increase. Brace yourselves...

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Other Advice
Posted by: ianfmorrison on Oct 15, 2008 4:26 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Nice to see this before it gets posted to exiledonline.

Poverty is misery, as many Americans will soon find out. Here are some survival tips.

#1. Shoes: You're going to be walking a lot, you need good shoes. If your shoes have holes in the soles your misery will be amplified. This is perhaps not important for John Dolan (I have read Pleasant Hell and the section about John and his Afternoon Delight had me laughing like no other read).

#2. Newspapers: Bad for reading, good for insulation. May save your life.

#3. Libraries. They are warm dry places with free internet and clean water.

#4. Shitty work. Any work, or rather, any money is beats the shit out of starving. Even better if they will give you an advance on your pay. Kicking dirt with Polish guys for 12 hours then going home to a meal of two potatoes and no salt is bad, but it is at least the bottom rung of the ladder out of your poverty hole.

#5. Shitty work is not as easy to get as some would have you think. Most employers don't like hiring hobos. You need a shower, or at least a tap and a bar of shoplifted soap. You need a phone. You need an address. It's tough to pull yourself up by your bootstraps when you don't even have boots, see #1.

I can't give answers, only advice. You need luck and fortitude to survive this. Just keep trying even when you're going crazy and laughing at the insane humour of a universe where everything is turning against you.

Good luck Americans.

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Some suggestions for those about to...
Posted by: FAITHCARR on Oct 15, 2008 4:27 AM   
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Some suggestions for those about to...

Land in the NewWorldOrder World, but not quite there yet...

If you have any credit left on your credit cards, buy non perishable food, clothing appropriate to your climate, excellent SHOES. and as much CASH as it will let you have. Then STOP trying to pay it. When you're homeless there's no where to send the damn bill. Screw 'em back. Don't forget gas credit cards. You can eat out of the Kwicky Mart for awhile.

Sell as much crap as you can for CASH. HOLD anything small of value. It becomes handy.

If you can find a place to hunker down (or know someone who does) learn the basics, Shelter, Food, Water. Grow what you can eat. I'd gladly give this in exchange for healthy backs, hands, brains, and a willingness to get dirty on my homestead.

What should be first and last? GET out of the cities. If the economy gets as nasty as many of us otherwise "normal" people believe, the city is going to be very, very, ugly.

Putting up a "hobo sign" on the big pine near my county road.

Peace, it's what you get when you stop killing people.

F. Carr

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Would You Have Survived Without Your Wife - I Doubt I Would Have Without Mine
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 4:26 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The speed at which it is possible to descend from affluence to poverty is almost incomprehensible to those who haven't experienced personally it.

And it can happen to absolutely anyone.

Mine was largely self inflicted - over 20 years ago. It was as a result of taking on far too much responsibility at work and using vast quantities of alcohol and cannabis to moderate the stress.

My mental system blew up.

I gave absolutely everything I had away - and far more up to the limit of my credit - to Bob Geldoff's Live Aid.

I thought fuck it.

Maybe I'll save a few Starving Africans from otherwise certain death...

But my mental state resulted in my employer instructing security to prevent me entering work under all cicrumstances. I would almost certainly have been fired immediately except part of the stress had been caused by my involvement in a legal case where another employee had been fired. To have two in a row from exactly the same department would look too embarassing.

Anyhow that was pretty much irrelevant. We had no money to pay the mortgage and all the other bills. My girlfriend asked her Dad for help (which he had said would always be available if she ever really needed it) and got nothing. I guess he thought I was a waste of space to be dumped in the gutter.

If my girlfriend had dumped me in the gutter - that is exactly where I would have remained.

But instead she sold everything of value she had - which were personal gifts from her Grandmother - just so we could buy food so we could eat.

Eventually she nursed me back to sanity and eventually they let me return to work - starting right at the bottom doing a job equivalent of a toilet cleaner. Sure I really had my face rubbed in it - but you don't worry about what other people might think - and in reality I got a lot of support and help from people who'm I least expected it from - yet virtually none from where I thought it might come from

Except my Girlfriend - Now My Wife Who saved my Life.

Don't ever give up. There is always a way back.

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The thing you need is family
Posted by: Jasonix on Oct 15, 2008 4:36 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The most important thing you need to survive poverty is family. You need someone to give you a place to live, not just for warmth and shelter, but for an address and a phone number. If you've drifted away from your family for some reason, reconcile now while you still have time to do so before things get really desperate. If you have no family, you're in a bad situation.

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» I count my blessing daily. Posted by: wolfgangmo
Cops
Posted by: kegbot1 on Oct 15, 2008 5:00 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Boy did you hit the nail on the head there. I think the first thing they do at any police academy is remove, if any shreds are left, any human feeling from the police candidate. But I would add the police are not just the enemy of the poor - they are everybody's enemy now - except, of course, the wealth or the government overseer class.

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Well,
Posted by: chutzpah on Oct 15, 2008 5:27 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It really depends on how well you've educated yourself in the past to deal with changes. I've always been a penny-wise, pound-foolish, sort of guy. I could blow a thousand dollars in a night, yet, I could also live thru a month with a thousand dollars.

Life is all about adapting to changes. So, here's a few tips I can add.....

1. Cash out your credit cards, and get any extra loans you can still get. You need a cushion for the upcoming turmoil. Credit scores and histories are overrated. When you get back on your feet, pay them back, and you're back in good standing.

2. Get a car that you're not making payments on. Public transport is good, but u need a car.

3. Have good clothes. Never broadcast your predicament. Once u ditch the brands, u'll realize they a lot of good cheap wears out there.

4. Have a partner.

5. Open a new bank account, preferably, a credit union. Some of your creditors might want to dip a hand in ur account- due to past history of payments. And never make a payment from the new account.

So, with this, I'll say " don't panic, just think".

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Best Story Ever!
Posted by: madmac10 on Oct 15, 2008 6:33 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...on Alternet--and Alternet has many (MANY) good stories. This one should earn an award. Very good piece of writing. Congratulations on a fine piece.

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A GREAT STORY, THANK YOU
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 15, 2008 6:51 AM   
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Far too many people know what poverty feels like but not many can find the words the way the author did. All sorts of social ills are written about: alcoholism, drug addiction, criminal past, etc. but this is the first I've read about poverty by someone who's been there. Mostly it's written about in terms of statistics. The more personal it gets the more painful it is. Here's to better times. ANNA

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Perhaps invest in...
Posted by: Godfather89 on Oct 15, 2008 6:57 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
A Tent, those bigger ones even if you are single or have a small family. Also, to hell with Prozac I dont need to get addicted to anti-depressants just to make me feel better about my situation, if your poor the idea is to survive and survival is not about pessimism nor optimism it is about realism. I am an America who does not look to define myself by the job or property I have to define my self worth. These are things external of me and can always be changed.

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This is all very interesting.
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Oct 15, 2008 7:02 AM   
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Everything is true in this article, and there is much, much more as far as what it's like to be poor - fucking poor - in the US.

I've spent maybe two-and-a-half decades of my life in situations similar to what the author describes, mostly when I was a kid, but some years since I've been old enough to support myself.

Yes, police hate the poor. They treat with a mix of contempt and fear, and they do seem to believe that punishing you is their purpose. After all, their job is to deal with transgression, and while not being illegal in itself, poverty is deviant.

Also, cold and food go together. Cold weather feels much worse when you haven't eaten, since so much of the body's energy goes to maintain internal temperature.

Shelter is a bigger priority than food. It's easier to get food (you can even get some food for free at food banks and churches, though not enough to live on), and shelter is necessary to get a job. Nobody gives you free shelter unless they're family. And charities might give you enough money to pay a third of your rent once a year, if you still have a place to live. So make shelter your priority.

Yes, you become bitter, and you are justified in being bitter, but society still doesn't give you a pass. Bitterness still brings contempt from other people, as it is a sign of weakness - it shows you've been riled up by what life dished out to you, rather than handling the situation like a winner.

After years and years of being poor, you become less jumpy about every vicissitude that threatens to send you further down the gutter. You can even react to a lot of bad events normally and rationally, which is very important as a survival skill. It's important to remain calm and not behave erratically.

If you look like other street people, in your behavior and smell and clothes etc., people will be less likely to help you. You'll be "other," and they think of the poor as hopeless types anyway.

If you look like other, "ordinary" people, and act like them, they're more apt to help you out.

Ultimately, though, you have to get out of poverty through your own efforts and with the help of family. The social safety net isn't enough. If you don't have family - or extremely close friends - and you lack the opportunities or resources to pull yourself up from the bottom, then you're doomed. It's sad, but it's as simple as that.

There's a lot more I could say, but I need to leave for work soon. And I'm very protective of my job, since most people are always only a job loss away from tumbling to the bottom of society.

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Posted by: richholland on Oct 15, 2008 7:05 AM   
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in europe we have people coming in from Eastern europe, iraq, Iran, africa.

Some legal, some illegal.
Find out what are your posibilities are , knowledge of english, being christian can be a pre

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Here's a real world guide to getting out of poverty
Posted by: Bobsays on Oct 15, 2008 7:13 AM   
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I know because I have had to do this a few times.

1) Don't follow this guy's advice. The worst thing you can do is to adopt the lifestyle of the down and out.
2) Run don't walk from the army of 'poverty pimps' out there. You soon discover there is a whole industry making money out of your misery and failure. Don't let them.
3) Ditch anyone in your life who is failing even worse than you. Don't hang around the depressed, the drug or alcohol dependent - anyone who has already slipped into loser habits.
4) Don't hang around bars or gambling dens.
5) Get ready to move: and move to somewhere your income from whatever jobs you get is higher than your outgoings. Never get into debt. Even if it hurts, stay solvent. Keep a bank account, or if you can't, find somewhere to store your wealth. Consider going to the third world for awhile. You can live very cheaply in many places and at a standard of living comparable to being middle class in the US. You can also pass yourself off as an expert.
6) Start thinking like you are a business. You have to do this because it is going to completely change your mindset. You are a product and you have to make your product as appealing as possible to other people. You also have to lose the chip in your shoulder and any other 'tells' that mark you out as bitter. You must be clean, well dressed and well mannered.
7) Build your personal brand every day. Seek and grab all opportunities coming your way. Sniff for wealth like a dog sniffs for bum.
8) Time frame: give yourself a year to turn it around. Develop a weekly and monthly check list and hammer away at it until you start getting some action. Get very fit. You want to look healthy too. If you are reasonably good looking, you may just get hired because the boss would like to fuck you. Hell, there can be worse reasons for getting hired. Somebody who is poor but smolders with good looks and health will get hired.
9)Rinse and repeat: keep doing these steps until your shit is sorted. It will happen!

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It seemed to take Dolan by surprise
Posted by: GollyGee on Oct 15, 2008 7:29 AM   
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but I'm betting lots of Alternet readers have had brushes with poverty at some point in their lives and don't need to be convinced it can happen here in our "rich" country — and to even the best of us.

But Dolan, through all of this, you may have missed the most important lesson of all. (As has already been said above) your best hope when everything falls apart is always in others — Dolan, no relatives or friends to take you in temporarily?

Anyone alone and isolated is vulnerable. Always.

Learn from illegal immigrants, lots of people can share a house, help each other, and move forward even at starvation wages. But yes, you need to have blood or emotional bonds.

Antidepressants. Bad idea.

Getting rid of the car. Bad idea. Millions of motorists drive without licenses or insurance. Unless you cruise tony neighborhoods in a junker you're not likely to be pulled over for being poor. Otherwise the streets of much of America would be empty. Come to a full stop at stop signs, don't speed, don't run yellow lights.

The boat? No necessarily bad. But then, you know what kind of boat you had, what condition it was in and what you yourself are capable of.

Still, marinas usually have showers. If you were on the hook or a mooring ball, you should be showering in the cockpit anyway (with a tarp-shower hung from the boom and a garden hose.) That way you don't bring water down below (damp cold, mildew and rot.)

On the West Coast where ice bumped the hull? There aren't many places like that, but toward the end of August you should have gotten the sails up, headed a little ways out to sea and turned left. The Humbolt current will help you along to a warmer climate in no time.

There's a reason why the sunbelt fills up with the homeless in the winter.

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For crying out load people listen to youselves!
Posted by: kegbot1 on Oct 15, 2008 8:47 AM   
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Some of you sound either completely clueless or you got pointed here from Free Republic.

Look, yeah, everyone has advice for the downtrodden and in this country a lot of it sounds like Babbitt delivering a lecture on forbearance.

If we lived in a civilized country where the ethos wasn't so 'dog eat dog' and we had a serious safety net (think Scandinavia) we would't be stepping over so many homeless people in the street on our way to work (those that can keep their jobs).

But no, we live in the land of Horatio Alger where people recite, like Dorothy going back to Kansas, that all you need is a good attitude, a bright smile and a willingness to work, you too can be a millionaire.

Well that's bullshit and it always has been. Most people work their ass off their entire lives and die with little to show for it because they didn't go to the right school, meet the right people or have the right parents.

And some of your letters reinforces a belief I have had for years about this country - talent means almost nothing. Obedience to corporate authority and the obsequious shuffling yes man is what is really desired in the country - not the innovative person willing to say to his boss - hey what we're doing here is a. morally wrong b. could be done better, etc. Why do we laugh at Monty Burns humiliating Homer Simpson at work? Because we have been conditioned to buy into this paradigm. No wonder other countries workers live longer and happier lives and still make better cars than we do.

And for you people saying no antideps - have you ever been clinically depressed? No? Then STFU. You need what you need - would you rather see these people kill themselves? Many are check out this story - http://tinyurl.com/48kxdo

Of course there are a lot of right wingers who root for the 'losers' to take themselves out of the gene pool. I hope Alternet readers are not among them.

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'They are Man's,' said the Spirit, looking down upon them. 'And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased. Deny it!' cried the Spirit, stretching out its hand towards the city. 'Slander those who tell it ye! Admit it for your factious purposes, and make it worse! And abide the end!'

'Have they no refuge or resource?' cried Scrooge.

'Are there no prisons?' said the Spirit, turning on him for the last time with his own words. 'Are there no workhouses?'

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newawakening
Posted by: newawakening on Oct 15, 2008 8:58 AM   
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great article, en eye opener. the section about the police brings back memories. one eventful day i was driving a very old vehicle that belonged to someone else. the car started smoking badly, but was still running. i was pulled over by the police. because i travel so much i had inadvertently let my license expire, the policeman automatically assumed that it was suspended, or had been revoked. the owner of the vehicle did not have insurance on the vehicle because they were under the impression that the previous owner's insurance was not cancelled, and would continue for another two months, since they were related. i ended up in the back of the police car, for 25 minutes, why it took that long i have no idea. the policeman had the car towed because he didn't believe that i would, or afford to. i was dressed in a manner, along with the vehicle i was driving that must have given him the impression that i was poor. next time i will drive my land rover, or volvo.

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NYCartist
Posted by: NYCartist on Oct 15, 2008 9:50 AM   
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I am unclear as to your age, balding notwithstanding.I grew up "medium poor" (mom was widow of WWII vet,3 kids and my "Bubbie",Yiddish grandma had been widowed with 5 and had a pushcart with her own bread,circa 1914 long before I was born). So I'm used to "tight living", having gone thru bankruptcy myself due to disabling illness (prenew bankruptcy bill). And spouse, longtime adjunct prof. will not live long enough to pay student loans off completely.

And I have a pal living on the street, age 3l or so, for over 2 years since he lost his last job. When it's real bad, he stays at a friend's apt. for a night.

Did you interview long time poor people? New (last year) stats in NYC cite that among the poor going for free food at food pantries (which are overloaded) and soup kitchens are college grads,seniors. Would you say that being able to find work hellped? There's a comment on CD from two days ago, on SSI who can't afford her meds for bipolar. It's rough. Ques.:how do we do empathy?

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Don't forget the pawn shops!
Posted by: coconutz on Oct 15, 2008 9:56 AM   
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For the first time in my long life a few times since January 2008 I actually went hungry, not because I was dieting but because I had no money for food. I have pawned my mother's jewelry and I am praying to be able to get it out. However, my mother lived through the Great Depression and I know what she would say "You do what you gotta do!"

And that was WITH my job. It was a choice between paying the mortgage and the skyrocketing fuel and gas bills and I saw no pointing in eating if I was living on the streets. Now I just lost my job and my medical insurance and I can't even afford the Prozac. Maybe I'll settle for some Thunderbird in a paper bag!

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» RE: Don't forget the pawn shops! Posted by: andabottleof_rum
half baked article.
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Oct 15, 2008 10:42 AM   
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Suggesting poor people get addicted to prozac is a terrible fucking piece of advice if I've ever heard one.

Very few people should take prozac. If you are depressed there is a core reason behind it that needs to be addressed.

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Heat
Posted by: badkitty on Oct 15, 2008 10:56 AM   
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One discovery my husband and I made about three years ago was the hot water bottle! If things are really bad, but you're not homeless or you have access to hot water and can get a hot water bottle (Goodwill? Salvation Army?), sleeping with a hot water bottle, or even sitting with it, will make you feel like a human being. And I agree with Jasonix, it helps to have family. Having been unemployed five times since 1999 (including now), my father and mother-in-law have paid for many emergencies. And, personally, I think Paxil helps a lot.

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Priorities
Posted by: QQOblivion on Oct 15, 2008 11:05 AM   
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Good article and comments (most of them).

Hey, if you are poor, stay with John and Cindy McCain. I'm sure they'll let you hang out at one of their many houses! Maybe you can squat in one without them even knowing-- they probably don't even remember that they own it!

Seriously though. If it weren't for my parents, I would be homeless. Rent here in Denver is almost always greater than what I get in SSI, even for a closet-sized place. (Then I have to buy food and toilet paper and pay the utilities and...)

Car? Forget about it. I haven't even bothered learning how to drive.

I really hurt for the homeless people that are too mentally ill to get help, if help is even available. I guess we all are in danger now days, mentally ill or not, of dropping through. And with the way the politicians keep handing out favors to the ultra-rich, to the just plain rich, sometimes to the middle-class, but not anything ever for the poor, I fear that I may not even have my meager income from SSI very long, especially if most of US tax-money keeps going to the Pentagon and to massive bailouts for investors. Priorities, I guess.

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Cold
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 12:08 PM   
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I agree with many others that this article is a Brilliant piece of writing. I don't know about the prozac as I have never experienced it.

But the Cold got to me.

I just found it so incredibly difficult to keep warm.

The circumstances resulted in me being depressed for the only time in my life.

The depression was not just mental - it was physical - it was as if the metabolism of my entire system had shut down.

Surviving poverty in a warm climate is very much easier than in the depths of winter.

Never underestimate how dangerous it is to become cold whilst depressed.

We are now entering winter in exceedingly scary economic circumstances.

Look out for your friends

A couple of years ago one of our friends was sleeping in his car - after his marriage failed and his girlfriend threw him out.

He had nowhere to go.

He survived winter due to his friends.

He wanted to do it himself - but we screamed at him

Don't be so fucking stupid.

The room is warm and no-one is sleeping there.

Come and go as you please. We won't even know whether you are there.

My wife and I weren't the only he ones who helped him.

He stayed for 3 months.

We wouldn't take any money from him.

He wouldn't take more than a cup of Tea from us - he would never accept a meal

But he had a warm place to stay

He now rents a flat from a mutual friend paying what he can afford

Support your friends

Don't assume family will help

You can choose your friends

Your family are merely the people around you when you are born

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Charlie Chaplin vs Bumfights
Posted by: strahlungsamt on Oct 15, 2008 12:19 PM   
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Wow! Best Alternet article Ever!

Thank you Dr. Dolan. You are the one author with his finger on the pulse of America.

Anyway: Somebody mentioned Charlie Chaplin earlier in the comments. Chaplin was popular and loved by Americans in his day precisely because they sympathised with his poverty.

Today, the poor of America are the fodder of Bumfights. Crack addicts, drunks, street ho's and rednecks, it is Anti-American today to show sympathy towards them.

Look how a Black (non-White) man who graduates Harvard and becomes an advocate for inner-city poor is Anti-American. Yet a party which just ran up $11 trillion debt (and require a new debt counter in Times Square) are Patriotic Americans.

The times they sure have changed.

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Irrational Woman, Co-incidence or Telepathy
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 12:49 PM   
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My wife has just said to me she is really cold. I said well put the gas fire on - actually I think it is quite warm.

It is 21 Degrees C in our house at the moment.

I said I'll put the gas fire on and bring the temperature up to 25 Degrees C

She said don't do that I'm about to start doing my dance stuff and will get too hot

So I said well - what do you want me to do then

She said go away - you do not understand

She has absolutely no interest whatsoever about the crap I post on here about COLD or anything else

Sorry, I'm not into Bollywood dancing - though my Son's Girlfriend is and will no doubt be dancing with her at a temperature of 25 Degrees C and they will both be claiming it is far too hot

What can a poor boy do?

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Lovely. Heartbreaking.
Posted by: DAStencel on Oct 15, 2008 1:13 PM   
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Thank you for that. I am going to give some money to the food bank now while I still can and start saving up the prozac and deodorant now.

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Ah
Posted by: Dboy on Oct 15, 2008 1:14 PM   
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$120 for not having an updated address on my driver's license. Then she called for a tow truck and told me, "So, a lesson learned here today!"

I see you broke the first rule...NEVER let them know where you sleep. Your drivers license should NEVER have your real address on it. Since you got a ticket for it, you must also have broken the second rule...only tell the police the truth about anything if it helps your case. The currect response to "is this your current address? is ALWAYS "Yes". No other answer is ever justified.

dboy

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FINALLY!
Posted by: FP2U on Oct 15, 2008 1:32 PM   
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...Some practical advice. Thank you to all who contribute to this conversation. I have been looking for ways to cope because I'm expecting to lose my job. Not a paycheck away from poverty yet, but what I have won't last very long when joblessness comes. I am middle aged, single, female, and am trying to face/prepare for the inevitable.

I suggest Alternet place a new "tab" at the top of the webpage - or something! - that keeps this dialogue going.

Poverty is staring us in the face, and we waste precious money and time...

What else can people do? What about communes? Are there any? Can they be started and sustained?

How can the poor organize to survive?

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Despite ICELAND Being BANKCRUPT There Is No Chance Icelanders Will Freeze To Death
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 2:26 PM   
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My Wife has been on a one day trip to Iceland. She organised the entire thing herself "a one day trip to Iceland"

I took her to the airport at 4:00am

By around 10:00 am she was swimming in extremely warm pools heated by the planet

(How do they do these things in Iceland)

She then spent a full day in Iceland

And said wow - what a nice bunch of people (though it's INCREDIBLY Expensive)

And got the plane back

And I picked up from the airport at around 11:00pm

And My Wife WAS GLOWING

Not just because of the Day

But because she did it all by herself

It's the longest we'd been apart for many years

If you live in a Community of like minded people - especially when the weather is tough
You will be looked after by your family and friends

I don't really think Iceland has gone bust by the way

Just one of the pieces on the World Chessboard

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Advice about people staying with you
Posted by: Bob Doublin on Oct 15, 2008 2:40 PM   
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Here's something that struck me when I was homeless from May2004-Nov2005: I was so very lucky never to have to stay in a shelter or on the streets, there were two people who put me up through that time (always thank you). Thinking back there was something just slightly off about their idea about me being there.
Please, don't assume that this person is anything like a NEW ROOMMATE MOVING IN. That is not the situation AT ALL. He or she is a traumatized person TAKING REFUGE WITH YOU. There are only very superficial similarities between these two situations. Don't assume that these people are in any condition to act like a normal roommate (lucky them if they are). If you want them to help around the place, please don't assume they're in any condition to set up some complex schedule. Or they can budget money like a CPA. Take the initiative and DISCUSS this with them.

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The Weird Thing was that this totally beautiful slim young blonde girl was dancing in our local pub
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 15, 2008 5:46 PM   
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- When such a thing had only just started taking off again about 10 years ago

And she was dancing to a FREE Song

And I Thought Fucking Hell What is She doing dancing in our pub

To All Right Now

I am going to dance too

And so I asked her name

She said Ester

And that is my husband Geoff there

And I said

Hello Geoff

I'm Tony

And so we got to know each other and I introduced them both to my wife Julie

And their daughter was going out with our daughter's best friend's older brother

And they suddenly decided

FUCK IT

And Moved to Cornwall

To Buy a Tiny Farm with No Water in the Middle of a drought and the Well Had Run Completely Dry

I occasionally get a most beautiful card from Ester which celebrates her life living off the land just like a peasent

She keeps inviting us to visit via friends we know

Tony

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Keep the Dog
Posted by: WizardofOhm on Oct 15, 2008 6:29 PM   
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first of all I find it very reassuring just how many readers are willing to share their tales of struggle within this online community, It really says alot about just how much of a community it truely is.
I myself have spent far too many nights sleeping outside. Church doorways are a good one, provided it isn't saturday night, because when they kick you out in the morning it is never too harsh (something that is very important to someone in that state) On railroad property is also a good one because it is private property which means the cops won't bother you and the property owner is a corporation presumably 1000's of miles away. National forest (especially west of the mississippi) tends to work out nicely provided you have some basic and maybe even advanced survival skills. I suggest (if you can still afford it) the book How to Survive in the Woods more than any other because it is waterproof and can therefore be used on site.

Don't sell your vehicle if it makes a decent bedroom. Just don't drive it unless absolutely dire. park it somewhere it won't get towed (either a friend or Wallmart, just make sure to change parking spots every few days) this is one more expense you don't want to have when you do get back on your feet.

For the love of (your prefered reference here) DON'T GET RID OF THE DOG. poor people are very offputting to the casual passer-by but a dog, no matter how scraggly and filthy from sleeping on sidewalks will always strike a chord in someone's heart strings. I can't tell you how many meals my dog bought the two of us during troubled times. They also make great hitch-hiking companions because they make you look less intimidating on the highway (I guess the thinking on this one is that an animal lover couldn't be a rapist... right?) plus you won't find many worthwhile friends at the bottom, so a dogs emotional comforting can be priceless. dog food isn't THAT expensive and most decent food banks will give you more for your dog than they will for you.

Buy a hunting knife. when making a makeshift shelter, sleeping on the streets in a city, or hitch hiking, this can be tremendously helpful. And from several stories I've heard it can also be a literal life saver.

Go south for the winter, and north during the summer. Although it is "illegal" freight trains can get you anywhere for free. If you're sleeping outside, might as well be comfortable.

Throw the 'nice' clothes theory out the door and salvage a single nice outfit for interviews, keep it at the bottom of your backpack in a shopping bag so it is seperate from your every day clothes. try to pick up some outdoors clothes from a store that is going out of buisness, which should be easy to find in coming monthes. start with a physical labour job at one of those day by day temp companies, because nobody will notice if you shower or not and you leave with cash in your pocket for dinner.

If you still have money when it comes around, make it out to the national rainbow gathering. (or a local one but yuck..be careful...) These people (some more so than others) have living off of nothing down to a science, even the CIA has studied their fascinating ability to make something out of nothing. but get in and get out as there can be strange and dangerous politics abound.

thats my 2 cents

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» RE: Keep the Dog OH MY YES! Posted by: FAITHCARR
Some advice so you don't become homeless
Posted by: Callibrarian on Oct 15, 2008 8:07 PM   
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1. Once things start going bad, assume they'll get worst and do something RIGHT NOW. Cut the cable, cut the phone bill, bag the lunch, find a roommate---find 2 or 3. Unplug your appliances, take the kids out of private school---none of that don't-want-to-disrupt-them crap. How disrupted is living in a cardboard box? Stop going out, collect cans, find free stuff to do, get stuff from your library.
2. Get birth control. I don't care if you have to "splurge," now's not the time for a kid. Do you really think employers are only testing for drugs when they take a urine sample?
3. See if your job will pay for public transit.
4. Return anything with a tag on it that you can. Some stores take returns for 6 months.
5. Swap things with friends.
6. Get another job. See if you can find one as a longterm house sitter.
7. Be presentable and well mannered at all times. You wouldn't believe how many times people don't get jobs b/c we saw you in public (and online) acting a fool.
8. Shower and don't smoke. Smoking is expensive, and we don't hire people with odor problems---who wants to be next to that?
9. Be considerate if you have to move in with people. It doesn't matter what the relationship or what happened to you---if someone doesn't owe you a big favor or you're not a minor, they don't have to put you up and they can kick you out.
10. Women, be careful with your men "friends". When I had trouble finding housing during college my girlfriends couldn't help, but guy friends said they were sure we could work something out, wink, wink. It's not that they thought I was stupid; it's more that they knew I was desperate and willing to use it against me. I found housing elsewhere, thank God, but how many women end up in even worst situations because fo these offers?

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The difference between Us and Them.
Posted by: MSharp on Oct 15, 2008 8:20 PM   
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They tell Us to look at a glass that is half-full
while Their glass is filled to the brim.

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An interseting viewpoint from a person who went thru the Soviet Econ. collapse...
Posted by: aussidawg on Oct 15, 2008 10:07 PM   
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I'll simply give the link: A Comparison of the Economic Collapse...U.S.A./Soviet Union. Personally, I don't find this very reassuring and think the author makes some sense.

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senior women in poverty
Posted by: silver flute on Oct 15, 2008 11:03 PM   
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This is really wonderful writing, and thank you for sharing.

Having had to live on Social Security Disability for 14 years now (I am only 59), I am finding that my "tough" situation has had some benfits, because I am familiar with and well entrenched in the safety net.

For at least two years now, I have been telling politicians that they need to pay attention to the bell weather - the bottom of the heap. We saw this happening!

We have seen the poor fabric of the social safety net, the disdain for those who shop at the food banks, the empty shelves at the food banks, and the ridgid rules of the programs that one must use to survive. I am just dazzled by the failure of those in power to want to hear why people are living as we do, how the systems are not working, that we want to earn a living but can't because the "rules" say we can't, and ...most importantly of all...that our numbers have been growing!!

I began last year to sound the alarm by visiting different agencies and advocating for the poor. People like me. But, I also learned the secret of getting heard. Dress well, keep your hair cut and washed, shine your shoes,and look rich, act rich and walk that way, too. Find clothes at the used clothes store. Visit the makeup stores for free samples. If you have an education, you sound like it...if you don't, write letters and get the libraian to proof them. This appearance thing is so important, that I once wrote a bad check to buy a new hair dryer when my old one burned out, I washed my one outfit every night for the next day, and I learned to share the tuna fish with the cat, because I found that the food banks didn't (at that time) have pet food.

Swallow your pride and beg, yes beg. Most churches have funding to give out. Tell your needs clearly and without whine. Try the social agencies, like senior centers, for advice and take it. They know the system, they have seen it all.

The numbers of people in poverty have grown, the money for agencies has been depleted, and we will find that as people don't have extra cash, the donations aren't there, either. That is the legacy of the Republicans - let them eat cake! After all, isn't it that they are just lazy?

Well, I for one, hope that this new President will listen to the bottom of the heap. We do have a lot to say, and we know what isn't working, what will work, and maybe some of us can get hired, too. By the way, I live in Alaska, and it isn't all that wonderful here either. Palin is not in touch with anyone I know, and she has too much money to care about some of us down at the bottom. In fact, she cut funding for OB care to low income moms, and that is why her daughter isn't married yet...she has to stay on her parent's insurance until the baby is born!

Oh, and keep an address, even if it's old, and an ID....you'll need one to vote!

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» RE: senior women in poverty Posted by: Lily H.
Family, My Ass...
Posted by: Lily H. on Oct 15, 2008 11:33 PM   
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As for "family", mine stood by and watched while our
lives went downhill. My and my then-husband's family
were a combination of abusive, self-centered alcoholics who cared for nothing or no one else other
than their own cronies or getting the latest expensive
toy/gadget/house, etc.
My sister, who was nearly as poor as we were, warned
"If you move in with US, you're going to have to get
a job". Duh - all the while SHE was enabling her own
alcoholic husband, whom years later, lost THEIR home
due to she not taking advice on how to keep/reserve
her home after he eventually died.
My father drove me out of the home I grew up in when
I had the audacity to wish to date my husband, who,
at the time was an older college student trying to
piece his life together (as mentioned in my earlier
entry). Since then, my father held a Mafia-type
grudge against me, not batting an eyelash when his
own daughter and grandson faced adversity.
My brother, who once hated him, now is a clone of
our dad's oblivion and selfishness, followed suit.
Before I got cancer, I used to joke, "Just wait until
any of them needs a kidney -- I'll just laugh my ass
off as I'm leaving the hospital". Of course, now as
a cancer patient, I'm off any donor lists anyway.

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Africa or bust
Posted by: jbloggz on Oct 16, 2008 6:40 AM   
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I have taken some chances in my life one of which led me to a great future from nothing. I met a guy in a pub in the UK who was on holiday from Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe). He told me alot of nice stories and how he could get me a job real easy. So I sold up everything I had, chucked in a well paid job and bought the air tickets for myself and baby daughter. I arrived with just five British pounds in my pocket and the guy met me at the airport. Sorry I have no job for you, but you can sleep in my garage! Boy did I struggle, but I had the 'interview suit' and confidence and not yet a good CV. I traipsed the dusty roads door knocking at factories trying to get a job. A white face in a sea of black faces all looking for the same, work of any kind. Well I finally did get that job and I learned real fast. Enough to see my way to apply for a much bigger position a year later in a neighboring African country. I got that and went on to have a very successful career, one that took me across the world. I'm retired now. I can look back on my working life with some pride. I guess confidence in yourself is a main attribute. However do not discount the element of luck which we all need at some time in our lives. Or better still the ability to see an opportunity when it arises and then to take it.

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Chertoff's Orwellian wet dream
Posted by: Grozny_Guy on Oct 16, 2008 2:18 PM   
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I agree about cars. You're never at greater risk of cop violence than when you're driving a car. That license plate and registration combined with their databases is like Chertoff's Orwellian wet dream come true. They want $$ and they want to make sure you know who's boss. Don't let them get you—You can still go on foot or ride a bike with NO ID. I was stopped by a cop once on my bike without ID. When he asked for my address I said I couldn't remember cuz I just moved here. He shook his head, gave up, and said, "OK, it's a warning. Get out of here."—That was the only time I got away from them, on a bike. They got my car once in Colorado, and the towing fees and fines basically meant the car was forfeited.

As for why cops are your class enemy, it's not training or brainwashing or whatever—It's that they ARE the ruling class elites. In my state many police earn $140,535—$200,000. It sounds crazy, but it's true. They make it by robbing you blind during the day every chance they get, and then they drive back to their large families in mcmansions in the wealthy suburbs every night, in state provided vehicles with free gas! Ordinary people should never believe for one second that the cops are on your side. Never ask them for help, never make eye contact, and keep moving until your out of danger. They have the guns, the law, and the courts on their side. And many are ex-soldiers who "served" in Iraq meaning they are killers and won't hesitate to pull a Haditha whenever they can get away with it.

Stay safe out there. Things are going to get very bad soon.

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SUV's the new McMansions
Posted by: victoriahokulani on Oct 16, 2008 3:47 PM   
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Once we get into the thick of this GD 2.0, all these roomy Suburbans, Tahoes and Hummers are going to start looking very cozy.
My question to you is why did you not consider a job flipping burgers? At least you would have been warm and fed for 8 hours a day. Some restaurants even have showers and lockers for employees. I think you could have had a less harsh existance but then again this kind of self depravation brought out some finely tuned writing chops. This story punched me in the gut, though,whether it is really true or not. For many less resourceful it is a harsh daily existance. We're talking back to the laws of the jungle in survival of the fittest. I know one thing, after reading this I did a serious reality check about how fortunate I really am to have a paid for shack on a Pacific Island. Whew, Mahalo for that, brah!

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» RE: SUV's the new McMansions Posted by: richholland
Home on Wheels
Posted by: Fetchcat on Oct 16, 2008 10:14 PM   
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Three years ago I moved from the NJ suburbs to the Catskills in NYS, where I now own a house trailer. This was an intentional downsizing from a co-op with high maintenance and lots of credit card debt. I used the profit from my co-op sale to pay off my cards and buy the trailer outright. Who knew that I would be putting myself in a relatively good place for this economic crunch? I can garden and hunt for food if I have to. I even have a beagle cross who is a natural tracker. Tho I am in a state of constant dread over the economy, I feel the pioneer spirit that expanded this country will rise again. We will relearn survival skills and reinvent the concept of true community. It's already thriving up here in the mountains. As a self-employed artist/writer, I've lived on the edge of poverty many times. Now a lot more people will be down here, struggling and learning. Welcome to my world . . . where what doesn't destroy you makes you stronger.

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» RE: Home on Wheels Posted by: Bittersham2
» RE: Home on Wheels Posted by: Fetchcat
» RE: Home on Wheels Posted by: Bittersham2
Save some money while you still have a job
Posted by: janvdb on Oct 17, 2008 1:35 AM   
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Regardless. Things can get a lot worse and you will realize, in retrospect, that you would have been able to save money if you had had your priorities in line with reality.

Have a financial cushion against unemployment -- at all costs.

Jan VanDenBerg

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Get a job in food service if you are hungry
Posted by: splashy on Oct 17, 2008 8:21 PM   
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You will get a meal the first day on the job.

It's even better if it is one where you can get tips - as in a restaurant. You will be able to use that money immediately instead of having to wait a week or two for your paycheck.

That can get you on your feet, then you can look for a better job on the side.

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A few more suggestions
Posted by: westomoon on Oct 17, 2008 10:37 PM   
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The comments above have covered almost every suggestion I thought of while reading this article -- the library for internet, newspapers, warmth, good bathrooms, newspapers, books, and even armchairs; taking any job that offers (the old truism is that it's always easier to get a job when you already have one); getting solid footgear (cheap hiking boots are easy on the feet and last a lot of miles) and getting used to walking to get where you need to go; getting a backpack to carry groceries, etc. Don't get rid of your car because it makes you a target for cops, get rid of it because cars eat money.

Here are some others:

Get used to the fact that there is no entitlement to an upper-middle-class "lifestyle", and don't consider it a "nightmare" if you fall out of it. People have been making decent, joyful lives while poor for a very long time. Maintain some perspective by paying attention to what's going in in places like Haiti, Africa, or New Orleans. Recognize that you've been brainwashed by marketing from the day you opened yours eyes in America.

Skip the denial part and react quickly when things start going south. Capitalism is no picnic for most people who live in it. Check out the wealth-distribution statistics; contemplate what the US minimum wage times 2000 (hours in a work year) comes out to. Don't consider poverty contemptible, and you'll deal with it much better when it hits you.

Understand that now you have more time than money. Most of the alternatives to spending money take more time and personal effort. So what? That's what you have plenty of now.

Privacy is a luxury: every town in the country has a section in the classifieds for sharing housing -- it's much cleaner than being taken in as a poor wounded bird by friends or family. Even if all you get is one room in the apartment of someone you dislike, you still get heat, plumbing, a mailing address, and a kitchen. Oh, and self-respect.

Learn to bake bread. It is amazing how well you can eat for how little with good bread as a base. Find a food co-op or buying group. Find a community garden or other scrap of ground and raise staple foods like carrots, potatoes, onions, and kale -- seeds are cheap. Discover brown rice -- tastes good, gets along well with cheap additions like dried beans and any vegetable that comes your way, and will sustain life indefinitely.

Long walking, kneading bread, gardening -- all much better ways of getting out of anxiety than Prozac. Re-learn to sing -- even if you sound awful, it's really, really good for the nerves to do it. Dancing of any kind is also great for the emotional equilibrium.

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Friends and family
Posted by: Jim on Oct 18, 2008 3:52 AM   
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When you become poor, what helps most is your personal support network. Good friends, who care enough to help. Good relationships with others in your family. When I was unemployed for an extended period of time, I was given a room in the house of some friends from church. There are many churches who take Jesus command, "Love one another," seriously.
Things may well be getting worse. It's time to build up our support network now. Help someone else in trouble now; your turn may be coming.

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I, too, have experienced sustained period of unemployment
Posted by: olderworker on Oct 18, 2008 8:10 AM   
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But I never was foolish enough to go without auto insurance! Like the author, I live in a place in which I NEED a car to get to job interviews.

What I did do was drop the collision coverage (and I have an excellent safe driving record) so that my car insurance was only abt. $450/year. The insurance company allows me to make ten payments of approx. 1/10 the policy, or $45.00 a month. So I did that.

The police may be sadistic power-mongers, but you don't have to give them ammunition to exercise those tendencies!

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» Transportation Posted by: westomoon
You're All So F...ing Clueless; Read and learn, then...
Posted by: Elurby on Oct 18, 2008 10:02 AM   
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You're all so f...ing clueless; read and
learn, then teach the truth of what's
really afoot with this on-going dismantle-
ment of the West:

From: Deacon Elurby
To: BSardi@aol.com
Subject:

No Place to Hide,

Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:25:09 +0000

Re: my report, 'Planned Destruction...,"
http://planneddestructionofamerica.blogspot.com/


I'd gathered that much, dear friend,
that your focus is more narrow than
my broadly conspiratorial approach.

It's just that nobody I'm able to
find among libertarians has dared
to report that this whole financial
debacle is not product of mis-
management and/or stupidity,
but of long-range planning by
one-world conspirators.

This is a massive, no-holds-barred
rush to impose world government.

I ask folks to extrapolate from one
clue among many: Greenspan
had openly, publicly advised pro-
spective home-buyers to take out
an ARM, in 2006.

He not only had violated his chair-
manship duties by giving such ad-
vice, but had dropped a HUGE
clue that the Federal Reserve
wished to create a MASSIVE
financial collapse - worldwide! -
so that it could gather far more
power and influence in our
day-to-day business than it
would otherwise have--if such
an extreme expansion of
risk-drenched home owner-
ship had not occurred!

Paulson has become KING of
banking, wielding unprece-
dented power through our
so-called "we the people"
Congress!

The Founding Fathers would
have raised an army to stop
such a thing.

And so it goes in our deadly
Orwellian Age; and there's
no place to hide, Bill.

-Rick



P.S. Icke has been warning that this
was coming for years:

http://www.davidicke.com/


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» And your point is ... ? Posted by: westomoon
A Different Perspective
Posted by: westomoon on Oct 18, 2008 11:42 AM   
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When I went to bed last night, I found that this article had stuck sideways in my mind like a burr. Two [presumably] able-bodied adults, and they couldn't find any way to bring in income? Two people living in what sounds like a major metro area that was still affluent at the time couldn't find busboy or janitor or waitress or housecleaner or caregiver work? I get the impression they never even tried.

Of course these were people for whom having to be in the same space as poor people was a trauma. I dunno, the author's discovery that poor people are not scary reminded me of Bill O'Reilly's famous amazement that the black clientele of the Florida Avenue Grill were regular folks -- well-behaved, normally-dressed, and polite.

If you are not poor yourself, this is your chance to get to know the other half of America by choice -- not just the ones who've fallen into the streets, but the ones who are getting by. Talk to people as if they were just like you -- because they are. We are surrounded by folks who don't make enough for what we've been told is a middle-class "lifestyle", and yet are living full and interesting lives. Waitresses, janitors, security guards, doormen, parking attendants -- they're all people (what a concept) and that's worth acknowledging. Forty percent of us live in households that earn less than $36 K a year -- and that one fact does not make 40% of us nobodies!

Life is not about money, though in capitalism you need some to survive. Feeling pity for, or anger about, people who work hard all their lives and have nothing [material] to show for it is ridiculous -- you don't know what else their life has been about. It might well have been much richer, fuller, and far more human than Paris Hilton's, or your father's, or yours. If you buy into the belief that money is the only measure of worth, Richard Mellon Scaife and Grover Norquist own your soul.

This discussion has given me a new appreciation for the hippies, along with a new understanding of why corporate America rushed to re-frame that movement. To begin with, hippies were all about vanquishing the competitive money "head" -- the reason they were so quick to form communes and crash pads, the reason they were so eager to get back to the land and develop self-sufficient living, the reason they started the food-gleaning efforts that were so shocking at the time, but which we now take for granted as food banks, the reason we now have free clinics, and even the reason we now have good peasant food like artisan bread. They saw it as a way to free your spirit for better things -- creative things, spiritual things, human things.

Well, I'm starting to sound like some counterculture John McCain. I've been trying to say that lack of money does not equal lack of worth, of happiness, of meaning. In fact, as has been noted by Jesus and other teachers, the reverse is more often true.

I am no apologist for capitalism -- I'm not saying that it's fine that a small group of people has sucked the lifeblood out of our economy and plunged millions of people into poverty. Injustice is wrong and should be fought. I am saying that wealth and poverty are not the measure of a meaningful life. To be poor is not to be a loser, a pariah, or worthless. Poverty does not equal hell -- unless you collaborate with it.

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» Really good post... Posted by: thinks4herself2008
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» Why do you want this job? Posted by: westomoon
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Get A P.O. Box
Posted by: Freticat on Oct 18, 2008 3:37 PM   
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If there is the remotest possibility that you could end up on the street, get a P.O. Box. A small one doesn't cost that much, and it gives you a regular mailing address no matter where you end up.

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» Or at least a Card.Board. Box Posted by: blogbooks
You are weak people
Posted by: blogbooks on Oct 18, 2008 11:12 PM   
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I grew up in poverty. Raised by a single mother on welfare and food stamps, the whole 9 yards.

I lived in poverty, in one form or another, the vast majority of my life. From living with my mother on her welfare + food stamps + minimum wage salary (yes, she worked her entire life and was still poor, yes, this really happens), to being enlisted in the military.

The one thing that motivated me was reading George Orwell's "Down and Out in Paris and London." That showed me that I really haven't had it all that bad. That things could get worse.

All I can say to you is that you have failed to undergo the paradigm shift when you go from playing the game by "the rules" and decide, "fuck the system, the rules are mine to define."

So, essentially, you are sheep. Most sheep will be preyed upon by the wolves and fall by the wayside. Your mentality for living is wrong.

This really is a zero sum game. It is kill or be killed. That is the one fundamental reason why I do not believe in suicide (or mind bending drugs such as prozac). If your life is really that bad, and you have given up and want to die, it makes more logical sense to me to go out in a blaze of glory and take down as many of the "winners", my "betters", as possible.

Suicide is for losers. Suicidal rampages are for losers that believe in a scorched Earth policy of defeat. Do you think Ghengis Khan or Alexander would have admitted defeat and killed himself? Not before murdering half a million people and salting the Earth. But then again, that's what made them winners in the first place.

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» RE: You are weak people Posted by: crazy carlos
Your resume "kicked his resume's ass"
Posted by: blogbooks on Oct 18, 2008 11:27 PM   
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Too many people are stuck in this fantasy world that has been pushed on them by society where you "earn" things.

Look at President Bush. What did he ever earn in his life?

It is NEVER what you know, it's ALWAYS who you know. The only exception is when nobody has a nephew/niece/brother/sister/etc. looking for work.

Everyone is so stuck in this world where they believe in order to earn X amount of money they must attain Y credentials. In the world I'm in, the highest paid people I know have 0 college degrees. What they do have, is skill. Skills that take time to develop. Skills that you don't pull out of your ass and pretend to have.

At any rate, does your fancy degree prevent you from doing anything aside from working at a college? I happen to be a defense contractor. I help the DoD murder people around the world. Needless to say from my characterization of what I do, I do not feel this is a morally "good" position to be in. However, I do it anyway because I am a mercenary.

This nation has produced millions of young people like me. This is a mercenary culture and I am a mercenary. I will perform just about any service if you are willing to pay the price. On the other hand, I have no loyalty to you and will dump you at any time for a higher bidder.

Welcome to America in the 21st century.

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Spend your last pennies on a gun
Posted by: blogbooks on Oct 18, 2008 11:44 PM   
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If the world forsakes you, punish it.

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my upcoming fall into Dickensian povery
Posted by: lewb on Oct 18, 2008 11:53 PM   
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Thanks for the advice,Mr Dolan. I am about to become homeless fairly soon. I am already jobless. I will soon be on the dole. I appreciate someone who has experienced what I soon will. I don't know what will happen with the economy in the tank. I was working at a work-a-day agency but the work dried up. I will use your advise whenever possible. Wish me luck.

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» Join the military Posted by: blogbooks
» RE: Join the military? Posted by: westomoon
My advice
Posted by: blogbooks on Oct 19, 2008 12:14 AM   
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1. Going into debt is stupid, always. I don't care how much money you think you'll be making when you get your degree in underwater basket weaving.

2. Learn to lie.

3. Lie on your resume.

4. Lie during job interviews.

5. Get money (thanks 50 cent, whom I am not a fan of).

6. Find some roommates. Get as many as you need to keep your monthly rent + utilities cost below 25% of your net income.

7. Buy a gun and learn to use it.

8. Develop sale-able skills to such an extent that you can lie about having vast experience to get a job and then perform it reasonably well.

9. Save money. Save as much money as possible. If you don't save at least 50% of your net income per month, you're doing it wrong.

10. Own nothing. Possessions make you vulnerable. They open you up to extortion and rob you of your freedom.

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» Best advice yet Posted by: westomoon
» RE: My advice Posted by: dustylou
Why look back
Posted by: chrysalis124812 on Oct 19, 2008 6:24 PM   
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Hail Industria! She who perseveres.
She arrives in form of a discarded lawn ornament,
Impossibly slim with synthetic epoxy plaster chunks fallen
from the rusting steel armatures upraised.
The pink skinned extra heavy duty exterior acrylic enamel
peeling in sunshine made toxic by it's production.
Her blue painted eyes plead for reason.
She comes to help us learn to value the wisdom of experience
in the old and worn,
to learn to respect the strength of the abused and discarded
who continue to gracefully endure
despite the cruelty and ignorance of others.
In one hand she holds a deer skull to remind us to honor the ancient ones.
A crucifix dangles on a rusty chain
tangled in the fingers of her other hand,
This is also in the past.
Around her neck she wears a tiny Buddha as a symbol of enlightenment.
She is the force that invites the volunteer plants bringing fruit
to grow in the compost pile
and the grass to grow in the cracks of the sidewalk.
Her gifts are the wild grapes and blackberries, the nuts from the trees.
She is patron goddess of all that is needlessly discarded.
She encourages us to understand that to honor her beloved
is to find prosperity in the truest sense of all.
Hail Industria, goddess for our time.

chrysalis crafthaven 10-2008

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rn
Posted by: mnstra on Oct 19, 2008 9:16 PM   
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Great story look back on what people did during the depression..........
Go out to dance

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Good article, EXCEPT, stay away from antidepressants
Posted by: nc green on Oct 20, 2008 7:14 AM   
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No chemical will help you to adapt to the changes around you, not alcohol, not pot, not antidepressants.

Dealing with life is the most important survival skill.

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