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My Depression -- or Ours?

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted October 14, 2008.


The Bush administration managed to turn that misplaced fear we had after 9/11 into something like prophecy and bring down the house.

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Among my somewhat over-the-hill crowd -- I'm 64 -- there's one thing friends have said to me repeatedly since the stock market started to tumble, the global economic system began to melt down, and Iceland went from bank haven to bankrupt. They say, "I'm just not looking. I don't want to know." And they're not referring to the world situation, they're talking about their pension plans, or 401(k)s, or IRAs, or whatever they put their money into, so much of which is melting away in plain sight even as Iceland freezes up.



I've said it myself. Think of it as a pragmatic acknowledgement of reality at an extreme moment, but also as a statement of denial and despair. The point is: Why look? The news is going to be worse than you think, and it's way too late anyway. This is what crosses your mind when the ground under you starts to crumble. Don't look, not yet, not when the life you know, the one you took for granted, is vanishing, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.



Today, in my world at least, this is the most commonplace of comments. It's just not a line I've seen much when the press and TV bring on the parade of financial experts -- most of whom are there largely because they didn't have the faintest idea that anything like this might happen. Whether they're reporting on, or opining about, the latest market nosedives, panic selling, chaotic bailouts, arcane derivatives, A.I.G. facials, or bank and stock-exchange closures, it still always sounds like someone else's story. I guess that's the nature of the media.



It's professional for reporters and pundits to write or talk about the pain of others, not their own. Normally, you just assume that's the case. So, for instance, when Frank Bruni, in a front page New York Times piece on the second presidential debate, writes, "Now the situation looks gloomier still, with markets in other continents tumbling -- with a world of hurt at hand," it really doesn't cross your mind that he might be including Frank Bruni in that description.



Here's a rock-you-to-your-socks fact I happened to read in a news report the afternoon of the day that Barack Obama and John McCain had their town hall meeting with 80 uncommitted voters and moderator Tom Brokaw. In the last 15 months, according to the Associated Press, Americans lost $2 trillion from their retirement plans. Now, that's a world of hurt and you could feel it the moment Brokaw first called on an audience member. Allen Shaffer rose and asked: "With the economy on the downturn and retired and older citizens and workers losing their incomes, what's the fastest, most positive solution to bail these people out of the economic ruin?" I have no idea what Shaffer's situation is, but I'll tell you this, his didn't sound like a reporter's question. It sounded close to the bone. It sounded like a world of hurt. Not surprisingly, neither presidential candidate actually responded, in part, undoubtedly, because to be close to the truth either would have had to say something like: Hey, how the hell do I know?



At this point, despite the onslaught of news about how bad things are, dotted with portrayals of Americans in trouble, I suspect there's quite a gap between the world as reported and the world as felt by most Americans. Let me give you a simple example. In the news these days, it's common to hear that we are at the edge of a real recession or, as International Monetary Fund managing director Dominique Strauss-Kahn put it, "the cusp of a global recession," or even the verge of a "deep recession."



Recently, the word "depression" has finally made it onto the scene. Little wonder, as ever more financial institutions totter, while, for the first time in memory, the initials GM and the word "bankruptcy" repeatedly end up in the same headlines. "Depression" arrived on the media scene, however, in a formulaic way and usually quite carefully hemmed in as part of a comparison: If X does or doesn't happen, this will be "the worst crisis since the Great Depression," or simply that it is "the worst [you fill this in] since the Great Depression."



And yet a recent CNN poll indicates that nearly 60% of Americans think an actual depression, even a great depression -- not a situation bad enough to compare to one -- is "likely." To many of us, it's already starting to feel that way and that's no small thing. When you see a Wall Street Journal headline like last Friday's -- "Market's 7-Day Rout Leaves U.S. Reeling" -- don't you feel like you're in a different world, however the experts care to define it?



The edge of panic in the voice of a friend telling me about the 401(k) she's not looking at catches the story for me. It's visceral and scary and, let's face it, whether this is the half-forgotten past coming back to bite us or the future kneecapping us, it's depressing as hell.



Being Depressed




And speaking of depressions no one is much talking about, let me just say what a journalist can't: I'm depressed.



It crept up on me, but I can date the feeling to the first week of October because a friend emailed me on September 29th this way: "I'm given to gloomy thoughts You really get the sense that things are on the verge of spinning out of control."



I remember the email I wrote back with a certain embarrassment. I was neither gloomy nor down, I responded. My reigning feeling was one of "awe" -- that you could live your whole life and never experience a moment like this one. At about the same time, I told another friend that I found it staggering to turn a corner, bump into History, and discover that he's unbelievably gargantuan.



Even as I sent that email off, it felt kind of callous to me, but it was what I thought I felt. The media claims to know -- and report on -- "our pain," just as the presidential candidates claim to feel it. How could they? I didn't even know my own. It took a remarkably long time to notice that weird feeling -- as if another body were sagging inside mine -- I identify with depression, and so finally say to myself: Okay, maybe you were awed, maybe you still are, but you also feel gloomy as hell.



Here's the strange thing: I've been running TomDispatch.com these last nearly six years. I've written (or posted) with regularity on how the Bush administration, with its blind, fundamentalist faith in military power, had pushed an imperial America into a precipitous decline. In July 2006, I typically ended one dispatch on the subject, "The Force Is Not With Them," this way:


"Oh, and there's one fundamentalist character I've left out of the mix, someone who definitely bows down to force. Call everything that's happened these last few years Osama's dream. It's hard not to think of William Butler Yeats' poem, 'The Second Coming,' and then wonder: 'And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?'"


I posted a piece at TomDispatch in April of this year in which, to some criticism, Wall Street expert Steve Fraser specifically brought up the "D" word in this passage:


"Nonetheless, the current breakdown of the financial system is portentous. It threatens a general economic implosion more serious than anyone has witnessed for many decades. Depression, if that is what it turns out to be, together with the agonies of a misbegotten and lost war no one believes in any longer, could undermine whatever is left of the threadbare credibility of our Gilded Age elite."


Last January, I even posted an essay by Chalmers Johnson, bluntly entitled "Going Bankrupt," suggesting that we were fast heading the way of Argentina 2001. I've certainly long been convinced that we were spinning out of control, that this was madness, and that we were, in some fashion, heading down.



But a near global financial collapse and crash in a matter of weeks? I can't claim that such a possibility even crossed my mind. And anyway, who can ever claim that learned and lived history bear much relation to each other any more than do the experiences of reporting and being reported upon.



That was a thought, a construct. This is my life. That was so much writing on the page. This is the world I'm sending my children into (which depresses me more than anything). I find I have no particular faith that, in the worst of times, the best of things will happen.



Now, at least, the media is talking about the Great Depression and, of course, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, fireside chats, and the like. Even Barack Obama did so the other day in an interview with ABC's Charlie Gibson. But, of course, the Great Depression brought Hitler as well as Roosevelt to power. And if people are disturbed by the anger, the threats, the rage exhibited recently at McCain/Palin rallies, then hold your hats as things turn truly grim. So I sit here and worry. And I know I'm not alone.



In these last days, I've thought some about my parents, about their whole generation which lived through the Great Depression, those fathers and mothers who had a "depression mentality" for which we, the young growing up in the 1950s and 1960s, had no patience, and about which we had next to no curiosity whatsoever. I sure didn't anyway. That was so past. Despite the good times, they feared otherwise.



It's unnerving when history becomes yours, when no one can tell you where the bottom is, or what life will be like after that bottom is reached. It's one of those moments when you discover why overused phrases -- I think here, for instance, of "through a glass darkly" -- were overused in the first place.



What a grim Alice-in-Wonderland feeling this turns out to be -- in which the world simultaneously seems to shrink to you and expand to take in everything. Maybe this was what it felt like in parts of Asia as the great meltdown of 1997 began, or in Argentina as national bankruptcy hit in 2001. I wouldn't know. Those were distant tsunamis to which we were immune. It was Washington then that dispatched the International Monetary Fund to other countries in such crises to "impose discipline." Now, ominously, the IMF (and the World Bank) are imposingly back in Washington -- and not for a night on the town either.



The Invisible Ruins




I'm a New Yorker and, soon after September 11, 2001, my daughter and I took the subway downtown to see the damage for ourselves. The jets had been screaming overhead the preceding days, and that acrid smell from the collapse of the towers had drifted up the island. But walking in that area, which wasn't yet known as Ground Zero, glimpsing down blocked-off side streets those humongous shards of the World Trade Center, that was staggering. The indescribable scale of destruction was something the small screen simply couldn't transmit. Within a few minutes, still blocks away, our throats were already raw and we were hacking and coughing.



As for so many people then, life brought films to my mind. In my case, those giant shards conjured up, as I've written elsewhere, the final scene of the original Planet of the Apes -- that unforgettable shot of the Statue of Liberty atilt and half-buried in the sands of time as the two humans escape down the beach on horseback.



And yet in September 2001, the real damage was largely confined to a number of square blocks of downtown Manhattan, including the shut-down Stock Exchange on Wall Street, as well as part of a single building in Washington DC and a field in Pennsylvania. This, we were told, was "the Pearl Harbor of the twenty-first century." And soon enough, with a helping hand from the Bush administration, Americans from Akron to El Paso were officially -- and mistakenly -- terrified for their lives and for their country. In the next seven years, the Bush administration managed to turn that misplaced fear into something like prophecy and bring down the house.



Today, on a visit to lower Manhattan, there would be no smoldering fires, no smoke, no raw throats, no gaping holes, no smashed buildings, no ruins, and yet, as you walked those streets, you would almost certainly be strolling among the ruins, amid the shards of American financial, political, and even military superpowerdom. Think of it as Bush's hubris and bin Laden's revenge. You would be facing the results, however unseen, of the real 9/11, which is still taking place in relative slow motion seven years later. It should scare us all.



Hey, I'm depressed, aren't you?


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Tom Engelhardt, editor of Tomdispatch.com, is co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of The End of Victory Culture.

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A total collapse can only be for the greater good
Posted by: phindrup on Oct 14, 2008 4:09 AM   
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No Tom, it must be your depression. There are things in this world that really do cause me concern — I have six years on you — like the behaviour of the US and Israel both, like the deliberate destruction of the Iraqi society, the totally unacceptable actions of Israel toward the Palestinians, and the tacit complicity of much of the world.

But money? The collapse of a corrupt system that has been used to disrupt and/or destroy governments of countries that the US didn’t like, that underpinned the active destruction of emerging nations so as the US could remain a ‘super power’ for just a little longer?

Nah, I hope the whole bloody system collapses and the US is forced back home, to wallow in its own filth, as it strives merely to survive in what I believe will be a largely ungovernable mess.

No empire has ever been angelic, but none that I know of have ever approached the level of evil that US/Israeli nexus have attained. The most offensive part of all this is to hear McCain, and to a lessor extent Obama braying that ‘the US is overwhelming a force for good in the world’.

How could anybody be so deluded?

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The age of the Robber Barons and the Repubs
Posted by: bobtr900 on Oct 14, 2008 5:06 AM   
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What Hitler, the Nazis and the Fascists could not accomplish, the destruction of America and the entire Free World, Rove-Bush and the Republikans have done, and quite successfully. Their economic perfidy and iniquity, done only once before ( the Great Depression) is now being done once again.

The Rethugs never stop. They just continue to recycle old and corrupt ideas, just as they recycle old and corrupt Repub pols. Cheney and Rumsfeld are still with us and I'm sure we have not seen the last of people like Rove, DeLay, Jeb Bush and many more Bushes, their SCOTUS, etc.

The only ones we do not have to worry about are the dead ones, the ones who have gone on to their just rewards. The ones who have gone on to meet the God they have so politicized.

The party of god (their god, money, deceit, Reagan and George 'jesus' Bush gets a small g/j from me) the 'Moral Majority', the RR's and their complicit religions have all succeeded in perpetrating the age of the Robber Barons where there were a few haves and everybody else was have nots. The age where there was no middle class.

Or as Paul Krugman (this years Nobel Prize winner for Ecnomics and one of us hated liberals) said something like: the broad based prosperity may be declining or at an end. And I hasten to add the broad based engine of prosperity, the middle class, has been killed by the Repub adoration of 'Trickle Down Reaganomics which is constantly being pimped by the Rethug party and their 'Low Information voters.

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hippie hell
Posted by: Menopausal Mick on Oct 14, 2008 5:09 AM   
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Yes, I am an old broad. Yes, I am a child of the sixties facing my mortality. Although I am not depressed, I am facing the real recession of my psyche.

This article accurately conveyed my "deer in the headlight" emotion or rather lack of emotion. Can a feeling of being stunned be called an emotion?

Humanity. We've really buggered things up, haven't we?

The rich bankers will be more than fine. They always have been. They always will be. Seems to be the way of the world.

Those of us who do not live in their gold plated sphere must deal with new realities.

My imagined retirement life is in the toilet now. I think that this fact has still some quality of "unrealness" about it. We are quite busy growing our own food and becoming more self-sufficient every day. What has changed is the fact that this is now a requirement and NOT a life choice.

I'd hoped to have the homestead fully solar powered this next year. I had the cost of that infrastructure planned to the dollar and knew how we would be able to accomplish it.

Now, forget solar...I'm hoping the final settling of the financial storm will leave me with enough in the monthly budget to buy prescription drugs.

On the bright side, at least light from a candle is flattering to my well-earned wrinkles.

Menopausal Mick

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» RE: hippie hell Posted by: donl51
9/11 was a false flag
Posted by: nfamous on Oct 14, 2008 5:11 AM   
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I'm tired of people writing columns like this as if, a priori, the 9/11 official story is true. It isn't. This government was involved in or either committed, doesn't really matter which to me, the attacks on 9/11 against its own people. that is treason. Of course those people are now looting the Treasury on their way out. The same thing happens with every empire and it is unavoidable. This white way of life is doomed and self-destructive. It does nothing to address the spiritual aspect of humans. It tries to replace it with materialism and consumerism, an obviously poor substitute.

Does it make sense to keep asking the people who murdered 3000 Americans on 9/11 to save us from financial collapse? They caused it. This is what they want, market manipulation to take us all to the bank. Don't listen to that Cramer idiot. He has no idea what he's talking about most of the time. Asking this homocidal and genocidal government to save us is like asking an arsonist to put out his own fires.

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no it's not just you Tom...
Posted by: ellie on Oct 14, 2008 5:33 AM   
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sure, everyone is still amazed at the mess of financial markets and banks, but those that have the least to loose are the ones who are not welcoming more families to the bottom with them, while seeing the fed and white house go on a global spending spree with tax money that our great grandchildren will never be able to pay down... class division is starting to look more violent every day...

it might be happy, happy with the dow and bank bailouts, idiot cheerleader wombat is waving his pom poms again, but the $$ is for the top, the elite, not ordinary people like all of us who are going down fast economically...

see nothing really for ordinary folks who are losing homes, health and in many cases committing suicide during foreclosure...

businesses large and small are shutting down, the too big to fail jobs are fast closing up with no jobs to replace them... no it's not the business owner not being able to access credit, but the lack of money for people to buy thier goods and services...

the only think that has helped most families has been the drop in gas prices, but don't see more cars on the road... asked at the corner gas station about sales and was told sales have not really increased... people are learning to make the paradigm shift to less consumption... add together closing business and no job to go to and bingo! a possible hmmmmmmm!!!

saw more then I could count yard signs yesterday for mcpaulin in the mcmansion areas and few obama... oddly, this mcmansion area usually has a yard sign in every yard, but realitor signs outnumber yard signs this time...

shopping at second hand stores are the wealthier shoppers, driving away with looks of disdain and disgust aimed towards regular shoppers... being broke is the new fashion rage!!!

as to the economic harbinger around here, you know folks have cut down below the bone when you see a grocery store end cap of pop tarts, the seminal food choice of crisis...

those in power are trying to convince us we are only in a slight recession and happy days of spending again are right around the corner so cheer up... but the people know better this time, and this might also be sparking the rage venting at political events right now... violent outbursts at political figures against the rival is a sure sign of beginning depression...

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Pay Backs a Bitch ah Boomers?Victim of your own Crimes
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 14, 2008 5:45 AM   
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I'm thinking we should Put the Boomer Social Security and Medicare in WallStreet- Just until we get through the Boomers.
Actually I Must clarify WHO the Boomers REally are. Common Definition states those born between '45 and '63- Bullshit. The Boomers incompass those Born during the lead up to WW2 and Poss til 1950. After that there was NO relationship between th eWar and the number of children being Born. After '50 children born were related more directly to the economic Boom, Not the Boom from Artillary.
I can Attest I have NOTHING in Common with Boomers, Nor do My sisters Born in the mid '50's.
Hindsight has proven those 'spoiled college brats' and their Gun Ho cohorts during th e'60s were Just That.
The Greatest Generation gave Birth and pandered to the nations Worst Generation.
We saw this Shit coming in the '80's with their Coke Driven Swindles,and Have HATED them ever since!John McCain is a prime Example of a Boomer- skated through the Acedemy becuase of Daddy's connection, granted a Puffed Up Glory Story which was no different or honorable than any other POW's, handed a Cushy Public Service Job and then proceeded to Fuck the 'lower classes' by swindling US out of our savings ....Keating- Typical Boomer High Crime.
Apparently the 'Greatest Generation' Forgot to Teach their Children anything except Self- absorption, anointment and service,They are now the Base for the Neo CON and 'Reagan Democrat' crowd (FYI REAL Dems KNOW No Such Beast lived in the '80's and the Oxymoronic Term is only used to explain their Complicity In Fucking US UP! HillyBilly)

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» Think you're off a bit!! Posted by: donl51
you named it
Posted by: Lauren on Oct 14, 2008 6:43 AM   
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bin Laden's revenge

Good one, very clever. Don't worry we are going to be all right. The economy will be fine. This is the legalizing drugs shock. Like the price of oil, it will level out soon. They will start taking my advice.

When Obama takes office, they will focus on building jobs. He knows what he is doing. Community organizing isn't about knowing how to do everything, it is about working together to teach the community.

Part of that is finding the right experts to give the best advice on how to do the things you don't know how to do, and working in a team with them to solve the problems.

The ice broke yesterday.

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» RE: you named it Posted by: Menopausal Mick
Load Shedding?
Posted by: bobtr900 on Oct 14, 2008 6:49 AM   
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The Bush-Republican-St. Reagan economic conspiracy of deregulation and no-regulation and masterful mismanagement has now engulfed the entire Free World. It makes me wonder just exactly how long the entire Free World is going to put up with 'Republican Party America' and the risk of further iterations, permutations and combinations of such economic disaster by McCain-Palin-Bush. Aka, McCush, MacBush or McPush.

In other words, when will the entire Free World begin a kind of 'Load Shedding'; shedding it self of America, the engine of world wide economic disaster, perpetrated by small and totally selfish minds, so deeply a part of the Repub party mindset. When will the rest of the world decide that it can longer afford to just allow America to dominate and dictate to everyone else the Republican, selfish and totally self centered, attitudes and behaviors.

We must remember that the rest of the Free World has been through this once before, WWII, in a most up close and totally personal way; one that America did not suffer so directly.

When will the Free World decide to DO something about us, to shed itself of our 'load' on their economic freedom. And exactly what form will that 'Load Shedding' take. Will that be the NWO (New World Order) forced upon us by all of the other countries of the world. Will it take the from of WWV, a war with Europe-Asia, that seems so possible to me. Especially given that the consumately arrogant Republican Party will never accept such an outwardly imposed NWO, one of someone elses design. Can you even begin to image that scenario? Another world wide economic based war which will see the USA, namely the Republican USA, wage war against the entire Free World; as Hitler, the Nazis, the Fascists and Imperial Japan once waged such an economic ideological war.

OR, maybe I'm just thinking too much. But sometimes, something that is seemingly so far off the possible, can become a real nightmare, no longer just a nightmarish dream.

I really don't think this is some Reagan-Bush-Republican all consuming conspiracy. I really do think it is more likely a stumble-bum group of self absorbed, narrow minded assholes who rarely think of anyone else. They are really nothing more than opportunistic thieves who go about in the night, in the night sleep of other peoples trust and innocence of such matters of economics.

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Most of us have been depressed for a long time!
Posted by: MamaPantz on Oct 14, 2008 7:05 AM   
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Especially in Michigan, which has been in recession long before the rest of the country and is now in fact in the midst of our own depression.

They didn't call it the Great Depression because every single person was suffering, as there were many who were quite well off during that time. If you measure it by the well off people, then yeah I guess it's just starting to sink in. We must measure it by the least of us, which have been suffering for quite some time.

Ever since Bush was in office we've been going down the drain, which many of us knew would happen as soon as the supreme court stole the election for him. We knew, that's why my friends had an "end of the world party" the day after the election.

So yeah, those if us that aren't rich or well off, and never have been, didn't need to wait for the news to tell us we were going down, we've been living it. Just ask the women in California that have to sleep in their cars with their kids in a parking lot. Remember the tent cities? That's already happening.

Sorry it took you so long to notice. I don't know what you thought was going to happen the day that Bush set foot in the white house.
Did you think he was going to do anything good for this country? You didn't know that he would take everything we had and flush it down the toilet? You didn't know that he was going to destroy America?

Wow, did he have you fooled! Those of us at the bottom never had any hope to begin with, so I guess it's just not as shocking to us anymore.

This was always the plan. Republicans are experts at ruining a country, and we allowed them to do it. They keep us busy trying to survive so that we can't mobilize. And while we're busy mopping their floors and serving them food, they're breaking in our houses and stealing our stuff. Did you really think Bush would do anything else?

This whole 8 years has been like watching someone burn down your house while your hands and feet are tied together, while all these people with buckets of water walk by, laughing and wondering why your house is burning.

So, yeah, we're depressed. How can we not be?

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I Felt it Back in 2000
Posted by: Carol Burns on Oct 14, 2008 7:47 AM   
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When Bush stole the election. A part of my brain screamed, "NOooooo!" And I've been screaming, both inside and outside, ever since that day. Every step of the Bush/Cheney administration has led us deeper into the quagmire and further away from the freedom that is supposed to be the hallmark of our country. We must impeach these evil sons of Satan; we must hold them accountable in a court of law, and we must make them pay for their sins. Anything else is just lip service.
And, yes, of course, we now have a collective feeling that we call "depression", as we move toward an economic one.

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» RE: I Felt it Back in 2000 Posted by: willymack
One group that won't be hurt by a depression: the greedy neocon Bush family
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 14, 2008 9:28 AM   
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When Bush 41 was President Nixon's CIA chief, he formed the renegade conservative "Committee on Present Danger" -- predecessor of the rightwing extremist organization, "Project for a New American Century" (PNAC), founded years later by arch conservative Bill Kristol.

As president, Bush 41 fostered the imperialistic "New World Order" agenda that became a PNAC hallmark. Formed in 1997, PNAC advocated the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and dominating the world with U.S. military power. Jeb Bush, acting as the family surrogate, was a PNAC founder.

Also during the Bush 41 administration, the current no-bid DOD contract scam was created by Dick Cheney, then Secretary of Defense who later became a PNAC founder, along with his fellow Iraq invasion advocates, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby. All four enriched themselves with lucrative investments in military/industrial complex stocks.

After Big George lost his reelection bid, he joined the private investment firm, Carlyle Group, managed by PNAC member Frank Carlucci, former Reagan DOD Secretary.

Since its formation and primarly because of Iraq War 2, the Carlyle Group has reportedly earned Bush 41 almost a billion dollars on his original investment. Much of that wealth will be go to first son Dub-ya, who, not coincidentally, pushed for repeal of the "Death" (inheritance) tax.

There's one thing for certain about the greedy neocon Bushes. They know how to get rich -- at America's expense.

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And as long as the electorate picks between D and R, Wall $treet WINS and Main Street LOSES !
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 14, 2008 10:00 AM   
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Americans are among the dumbest
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Oct 14, 2008 10:16 AM   
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Americans are among the dumbest people on Earth. 15-20 year ago, several municipalities, school systems, and pension funds were wiped out by derivatives. Did Congress or the SEC do anything? No. Instead they made it easier to gamble with even more exotic derivatives until the banks leveraged themselves into oblivion and now we have a world-wide meltdown. Meanwhile, the mainstream media is finally getting around to admitting we're in a recession--except we've been in one for a while and are now circling the drain into a depression. Of course the Fed and Congress spent all our money rescuing the rich (so they wouldn't get any poorer) so there's no money for the rest of us. But Americans, who can name sports statistics and movie star habits, can't name their own congressmen or even find Iraq on a map. Am I the only one who's been paying attention?

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its like my 9th grade biology teacher told me
Posted by: dannrusso on Oct 14, 2008 12:54 PM   
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you put a frog in boiling water, he jumps out to freedom

but if you out a frog in cool water and slowly turn up the heat, before he even realizes he will be soup.

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Our depression, I think
Posted by: badkitty on Oct 14, 2008 3:39 PM   
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I'm not quite in your age group, but as the child of parents with vivid memories of the depression, I think we're here. I've never understood how economists and Washington/Wall Street can seem to be so out of touch with what average people experience. Back in June, before I lost my job, I felt like the end would be here by December. I have to say that the last six weeks have made me feel that I could be really be right, and no one has really factored in climate change and the election/fraud we will probably experience in three weeks. Honestly, in October 2000, I did not have any idea that we would be where we are now. I never thought the United States could collapse so fast.

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swedish style bailout(in 1992) which the british are claiming as thier own now
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 14, 2008 4:21 PM   
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http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/10/14/

LaRouche: Paulson and Company `Chose Death, Over My Solution'
14 Oct 2008

October 14, 2008 (LPAC)--U.S. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Fed Chairman `Helicopter Ben' Bernanke announced at 8:45 this morning that they were adopting the latest British-driven "European" bailout plan, pumping $250 billion immediately into the stocks of U.S. banks, while the Fed pumps trillions into the global banks in short-term loans.

Lyndon LaRouche--the one economist who announced this full global banking collapse underway a full 15 months ago--called the new bailout strategy "Germany 1923 hyperinflation on a global scale, adopted as the only alternative to my proposal." LaRouche's "Plan B" is bankruptcy reorganization of banks by governments and a New Bretton Woods agreement.

"The system is therefore finished," LaRouche said. "This is going to be worse hyperinflation than Germany in 1923, unless we change the whole bailout policy now. The alternative was my policy. And they didn't do my policy, and hyperinflation is the result. This means the whole civilization is doomed, unless they change their minds and come back around to my policy."

"The various money-printing bailouts are unlimited--the hyperinflation will be unlimited," LaRouche added. "And now, the whole financial derivatives system is going to blow out. They're all idiots. And nobody has the guts to stand up to a stupid President--an insane President."

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, the driver of the current lunatic bailout, was challenged by journalists at a London press conference Oct. 13, on why Alan Greenspan, "who created this whole problem," is now Brown's chief financial adviser and planner of this hyperinflation policy. Brown admitted Greenspan was the author of the bailout strategy. "Satan's little helper Greenspan," LaRouche commented: "This is Ayn Rand, turned loose."

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It's the Derivatives - Credit Swaps, Stupid
Posted by: bessie on Oct 14, 2008 11:41 PM   
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The people who can't afford their homes, or the ones who have lost their jobs and can't afford their homes are being blamed for the trillion dollar losses on the international market. Does this make sense to anyone with half a brain? Well, it doesn't make any sense to me. So why is it that MSM can't quite find the time to explain to anyone what is going on? Well, there is a problem with the home foreclosures going south but there's another problem with Wall Street & the banks and the rating companies betting on this in the form of derivatives and credit swaps. Betting into the trillions of dollars which is far and beyond the price of these home foreclosures. As I understand it, they made money on their bets that these loans would fail. And they were totally unregulated and not classified as 'insurance'. Sounds like fraud - no? Beyond political divisions & total ignorance, well, we all are just then victims, unless with our collective knowledge, we demand some accountability.

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