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Obama's Flimsy Ties to Bill Ayers

By Ari Berman, The Nation. Posted October 7, 2008.


The McCain campaign is attacking Barack Obama for his minor ties in Chicago to former '60s radical Bill Ayers -- here's the real story.

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In a last-ditch attempt to reverse its sagging poll numbers, the McCain campaign is attacking Barack Obama for his flimsy ties in Chicago to former '60s radical Bill Ayers. That's not surprising. The same thing happened during the Democratic primary, when Hillary Clinton made similar claims against Obama. In this piece from the May 19 edition of The Nation, Ari Berman explored Obama's relationship with Ayers and their respective ties to the Chicago-based Woods Fund.

From 1993 to 2002 Barack Obama served on the board of the Woods Fund, a small foundation in Chicago devoted to supporting a main passion of Obama's: community organizing. Unless you worked in the philanthropic world or regularly watched Fox News, you'd probably never heard of the Woods Fund before ABC's April 16 Democratic debate. As part of a barrage of guilt-by-association questioning, co-moderator George Stephanopoulos asked Obama about his connection to another Woods Fund board member, Bill Ayers, a former '60s radical and ringleader of the Weather Underground. In an interview with theNew York Times, coincidentally published on 9/11, Ayers, reflecting on his memoir,Fugitive Days, had said inartfully, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Ayers, who meant that he wished the antiwar movement had ended the Vietnam War sooner, clarified in a letter to theTimes, "My memoir is from start to finish a condemnation of terrorism." Taken out of context, the statement sparked outrage, leading Stephanopoulos to ask Obama, "Can you explain that relationship for the voters, and explain to Democrats why it won't be a problem?"

Obama responded that he lives in the same neighborhood as Ayers on Chicago's South Side, did not exchange ideas with him on a regular basis and was only 8 when the Weather Underground was violently protesting the war. Eager to keep the issue alive, Hillary Clinton jumped in, noting, "Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Fund, which was a paid directorship position." The Clinton campaign has since distributed a document slamming Obama for, among other things, praising Ayers's 1997 book on juvenile-justice reform and appearing on two panels with him. In an interview on the Sunday after the debate, Stephanopoulos asked John McCain about Obama's "patriotism." "I'm sure he's very patriotic," McCain responded. "But his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question."National Reviewsubsequently said of the McCain campaign, "They'll hold nothing back when the topic is William Ayers." Suddenly every prominent news organization and right-wing blogger was "exposing" the Woods Fund, accusing it of harboring domestic terrorists and damaging Obama's candidacy. Said a spokesman, "We are under siege."

At the beginning of the campaign a few reporters called to explore Obama's background as a community organizer. Soon enough the right learned of his association with Ayers, who had hosted a fundraiser for Obama in 1996 and contributed $200 to his state senate campaign in 2001. The coverage took on a sinister tone, and misinformation quickly spread. The foundation was labeled anti-Israel by the fringe blog WorldNetDaily because it gave a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, a community organizing group that provides social services to Arab immigrants in Chicago. Woods Fund Could Become Obama's 'Swift Boat,' declared theWall Street Journal.

Lost in the media brouhaha are the facts about what the Woods Fund actually does, why it attracted someone like Obama and how Ayers came to be on its board. This story is less sexy than the current gotcha games, but the composition of the organization and its commitment to community organizing tell us a lot more about Obama than mischaracterizations of his association with Ayers. As Michelle Obama once put it, "Barack is not a politician first and foremost. He's a community activist exploring the viability of politics to make change."

The Woods Fund, in many ways, is responsible for helping start Obama as an organizer and shaping his political identity. In 1985 the foundation gave a $25,000 grant to the Developing Communities Project, which hired Obama, at 24, as an organizer on Chicago's economically depressed South Side. Obama became friendly with Woods director Jean Rudd, and after he graduated from Harvard Law School and moved back to Chicago, Rudd asked him to join the board, which met four times a year to review grant proposals. (Obama also served on the board of the larger Joyce Foundation, which specialized in environmental conservation, welfare reform and education.) "Community organizing was a central priority of this foundation, so more and more we drew him in," says Rudd, who retired in 2000.

"The fact that we were one of the few foundations that funded grassroots community organizing appealed to him," says Deborah Harrington, a veteran of Illinois government who joined the fund in 1999 and took over as president in 2006. "Being on the board kept Obama grounded and gave him a pulse of what was happening at the grassroots level."

Established by Nebraska businessmen in 1941, with a current endowment of $68 million and annual grants totaling $3 million -- a tiny figure in the foundation world -- the Woods Fund has taken risks that larger foundations can't. It awards hundreds of small grants a year, usually no larger than $50,000, to activists, neighborhood groups, think tanks, and arts and culture projects in Chicago's most-forgotten and blighted communities. It has funded ex-offenders to lobby for the elimination of mandatory minimum sentences and unfair drug laws, organized senior citizens to advocate for affordable housing, pushed parents to get more involved in their children's crumbling schools. The fund has linked public policy groups with community organizers -- wonks with activists -- a particular interest of Obama's. "The grants are small, but the impact is significant," says Jesus Garcia, vice chair of the board and the first Mexican-American elected to the Illinois senate.

In the late 1980s and early '90s, the Woods Fund was at the forefront of the movement to reform Chicago's public schools, stressing the need for more local control and community involvement. That focus on education led the fund to Ayers, a tenured professor of education at the University of Illinois, Chicago, and a widely published expert on the subject. "The foundation had a special interest in the Chicago public schools, and Bill's specialty is teaching teachers," Rudd explains. "He had built a great reputation in that field." Ayers joined the board in 1999, serving as chair for two years and overlapping with Obama until 2002, when Obama left to run for the US Senate.

In 2006 Laura Washington, a DePaul University professor of humanities and a columnist for theChicago Sun-Times, took over as chair. "Bill has been painted in the media as a cardboard caricature of a guy who threw bombs," she says. "That's not the Bill I know, and that's not the Bill I ever knew. He has changed his life, built on the lessons of the '60s and become a civic leader in this city." Indeed, after the ABC News debate, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley -- hardly a radical leftist -- put out a statement calling Ayers a "nationally recognized distinguished professor of education" and "a valued member of the Chicago community." Former '60s Radical Is Now Considered Mainstream in Chicago, said theWashington Poston April 18. Ayers/Obama Connection Brings 'So What?' Reaction in Chicago Media, saidEditor & Publisher.

Today Woods's eight-member board includes three academics, a civic leader, a former Illinois state senator and executives from the BP oil company, UBS investment bank and Sahara Enterprises. Former board members include R. Eden Martin (1996-2004), attorney for the law firm Sidley Austin and president of the Commercial Club, Chicago's most prestigious business group. "The board is comprised of a very representative group of Chicago civic leaders," says Adele Simmons, of Chicago, a former president of the MacArthur Foundation.

Because of its small size and local focus, Woods enjoyed relative anonymity until this year's presidential campaign. Its grants were about community empowerment, social change and elevating marginalized voices, not political grandstanding. "They invest in giving poor and working people a voice in how their city runs," says Deepak Bhargava of the Center for Community Change, in Washington (andNationeditorial board member). "I don't know how much more apple pie you can get."

The effort of the Clinton campaign to feed the media frenzy is particularly ironic, given Hillary's six-year tenure on the board of Wal-Mart and directorship, in the late '80s, of the New World Foundation, which is to the left of the Woods Fund and considerably more political in its grant-making. In the '90s conservatives slammed New World -- and by extension Clinton -- for funding the Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador, the National Lawyers Guild and Grassroots International, which backed two PLO-affiliated groups on the West Bank while Hillary was on the board. At the time Stuart Eizenstat, Bill Clinton's deputy Treasury secretary, called the reports "erroneous, irrelevant and outrageous slander on Hillary Clinton." That's a pretty good description of what Obama and his former colleagues are enduring today.

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Ari Berman is a contributing writer for The Nation, covering national politics and the 2008 election, and an Investigative Journalism Fellow at The Nation Institute.

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The Ayers problem is minor league stuff compared to McCain's treasonous POW record.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 7, 2008 1:09 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In 1967. after McCain broke his arms bailing out over North Vietnam, in return for medical treatment at a civilian hospital, a privilege never granted to other injured POWs, he reportedly told NVA interrogators the name of his aircraft carrier, how many Navy pilots had been lost, the number of planes in his flight formation, tactics used during bomb runs and the location of rescue ships in the Tonkin Gulf.

Because of the revelations which McCain repeated in propaganda radio broadcasts, the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him “Songbird.”

During his six-week hospital stay and for months afterwards, McCain continued to cooperate with NVA interrogators. He made more radio broadcasts for the enemy and met with foreign dignitaries, enjoying hot tea, coffee and cigarettes in posh settings while back at the Hanoi Hilton and other internment camps, his fellow POWs struggled to stay alive.

In one case, while meeting with Cuban journalist Fernando Barral, McCain voluntarily spoke in Spanish, even though he was obligated to be evasive during their conversation.

The Barral interview took place in 1970, more than two years after McCain’s capture, when he was no longer being tortured. They met in a office at Hanoi's luxurious Foreign Relations headquarters where cookies, oranges, coffee and cigarettes were offered to McCain and accepted.

Barral said McCain told him that he had not been subjected to "physical or moral violence." Speaking in Spanish, he talked about his family, aspirations for the future and the downing of his plane.

Quoting Barral, "McCain lamented, 'If I hadn't been shot down, I would have become an admiral at a younger age than my father.'"

Although McCain claimed he didn’t discuss military matters with Barral, the Hanoi Hilton's U.S. commander, SRO Jeremiah Denton, later issued an order forbidding POWs to be interviewed by visitors.

Said McCain on page 305 of his 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers (hardcopy edition), “[Denton's] decision was a sound one, even though it deprived me of further opportunities to demonstrate my psychic equilibrium… not to mention the [loss of] extra cigarettes and coffee."

Also in his autobio, while admitting to accepting special favors from the enemy, such as coffee and cigarettes, a violation of the POW's Code of Conduct, McCain omitted the fact he had conversed with Barral in Spanish instead of being evasive.

Quite clearly while a POW, Songbird McCain had his own "maverick" code of conduct -- the same dishonorable one he is employing on the campaign trail today by smearing Barack Obama and distorting the Ayers connection.

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» McCain's Worse than that Posted by: vkobaya1
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» Are any recordings of these Posted by: Grandma Crabby
Barack Obama’s radical associations is long and it keeps getting longer.
Posted by: rozz62 on Oct 7, 2008 4:00 AM   
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Obama keeps reaching back to Chicago political past for policy advisers, and pulling one despicable, vile, and even evil “rabbit” after another out of his hat.
The list of Barack Obama’s radical associations is long and it keeps getting longer. Some are now well-known, but many are not. They need to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HZMD97nMw

(Bloomberg) -- Nigerian Stock Exchange Chief Executive Officer Ndi Okereke-Onyiuke is being investigated after holding a fund-raising event linked to U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, Agence France-Presse reported.
U.S. electoral laws forbid donations from foreigners to electoral campaigns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0cq4Nytu8

23 years at TUCC with Jeremiah Wright and James Meeks. racist sermons on Youtube.
He chose the most radical church in the country; chose to immerse himself in hard-core ideological radicalism. Never before has this country considered such a radical leftist for its chief executive.

Michael Pfleger and his hateful and race-hating ramblings, Obama met while carrying out his own radical social activism as community organizer at ACORN, (radical organization)

Penny Pritzker, heads Obama camp National Finance Committee was president of Superior Bank - massively failed and she literally bought her way out of jail paying $460 MILLION fine; was the very epicenter of subprime loan scandal” that would come to eat this nation’s financial system alive.

Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, former head of Obama’s vice presidential selection committee, discovered he benefited from sweetheart loans from subprime king Countrywide.

Tony Rezko certainly and his federal indictments and financial dealing with Obamas of course and William Ayers, US terrorist bomber, Obama-co-lecturer, fellow board member, neighbor, and friend.

Communist Frank Marshall Davis, obama mentor; Saul Alinsky and Gerald Kellman (Kellman’s Woods Fund is how Obama hooked up with terrorist William Ayers)

Chicago lawyer Mazen Asbahi, appointed as Obama camp national coord for Muslim n affairs also stepped down after news about his stint on the fund’s board - which includes fundamentalist imam - prompting The Wall Street Journal inquiries about relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood and his long personal relationship with Hamas Jamal Said.

Obama desperately needs voters to forget hes the son of a Muslim father who served an incredibly brutal and corrupt Kenyan government; to forget he attended a madrassa in Indonesia and practiced Islam; forget that he campaigned in Kenya on behalf of Raila Odinga, who relied upon chaos, corruption, and violence in his campaign; numerous associations with radical Muslims; forget the photographs of Obama in traditional Muslim clothes, hanging with Muslim radicals such as Mazen Asbahi and anti-Semite Rashid Khalidi.

The mainstream media has frankly put the security of our great country at risk with an Obama coronation media like CNN & MSNBC is the only way Obama managed to steal the Dem nom. It’s extremely concerning that so many Americans could care less about who their candidate really is?? simply amazing and frankly scarey.

PLEASE WATCH AND SHARE WITH EVERYONE ASAP

"The Last 100 Days"
Hon. James David Manning, PhD.

www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08.html

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What I know
Posted by: Erin on Oct 7, 2008 4:46 AM   
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is that Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground were patriots. They, at least, tried to do something to stop what was going on. That being said, Obama did not know him until later and had nothing to do with the Weather Underground. But even if he had, I wouldn't hold that against him.

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» I don't support Obama. Posted by: bingahaba
I just finished sitting on a grant review board with who?
Posted by: justaperson on Oct 7, 2008 4:54 AM   
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There were about 13 people on our grants review board. We met once a week for a month. We talked about the grants. We discussed the process of selection. We did introduce ourselves at the first meeting, but after that it was first names only. I have no idea really what the political leanings of those people happened to be. Using MCCain screwed-up standards, I guess someone twenty years from now could say I was "paling around with those guys". They would obvious be very wrong.

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McCain's Shell Game
Posted by: Ojamas on Oct 7, 2008 5:22 AM   
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McCain is playing a shell game of desperation with the American people as his campaign flouders hopelessly. Instead of talking about the issues or the superiority of his plans for health care and the economy, he asks you to watch his "slight of hand" tricks. Instead, he wants to magnify loose facts or manufacture lies. If the Ayers stretch wasn't enough, he's got staffers going through the Obama trash cans digging for dirt. They're claiming a couple brothers from Rafah in Gaza bought over $30k in t-shirts from the Obama web store. Have you seen Rafah lately? Not to be condescending, but unless these guys are performing a community service by clothing the needy, Rafah is a refugee camp and it doesn't look like their economy would have a high demand for frivolous American products. If they really wanted to clothe the needy or sell a good Obama product, they'd go with Ojamas. Sheesh, could McCain get any more outrageous?

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McCain's wall street lobbyists who are now his campaign employees.
Posted by: Beck on Oct 7, 2008 5:26 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Phil Anderson: American Council of Life Insurers, Aetna, AIG, New York Life, MassMutual, VISA

Rebecca Anderson: Aegon, American Council of Life Insurers, Cigna, Barclays, Credit Suisse First Boston, HSBC

Stanton Anderson: The Debt Exchange

David Beightol: Allstate, Amerigroup, Charles Schwab, HSBC

Rhonda Bentz: VISA

Wayne Berman: American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Americhoice, Shinsei Bank, Blackstone, Carlyle Group, Broidy Capital Management, Credit Suisse Securities, Highstar Capital, VISA, Ameriquest Mortgage, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Fitch Ratings

Charlie Black: JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America, National Association of Mortgage Brokers

Judy Black: Colorado Credit Union League, Genworth Financial, Bay Harbour Management, Merrill Lynch

Kirk Blalock: Credit Union National Association, Financial Executives International, American Insurance Association, Mutual of Omaha, Zurich Financial Service Group, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco

Carlos Bonilla: Financial Services Roundtable, Freddie Mac

Christine Burgeson: Citigroup

Mark Buse: Freddie Mac, Goldman Sachs, Manufacturers Life Insurance Company

Nicholas Calio: Citigroup, Managed Fund Association, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, The Investment Company Institute, TIAA-CRE, Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association

Ben Nighthorse Campbell: Amscot Financial Corporation, Community Financial Services Association, Fidelity National Financial

Andrew Cantor: American Insurance Association, Merrill Lynch

Alberto Cardenas: Fannie Mae

James Courter: Goldman Sachs, Donaldson Lufkin & Jenrette, Investment Company Institute, Merrill Lynch

David Crane: Financial Services Roundtable, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte & Touche, KPMG, Ernst & Young, Bank of America, Association of Corporate Credit Unions, Freddie Mac

Dan Crippen: Merrill Lynch, National Multi-Housing Council

Arthur Culvahouse: Fannie Mae

Bryan Cunningham: Arch Capital Group

Alfonse D'Amato: AIG, Freddie Mac

Doug Davenport: Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Goldman Sachs, VISA

Ashley Davis: Prudential Financial, American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters, Great American Insurance Company

Mimi Dawson: MassMutual

Melissa Edwards: Freddie Mac, National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts, Access to Capital Coalition

Chris Fidler: American Bankers Association, Milcom Venture Partners, National Association Real Estate Investment Trusts

Samuel Geduldig: American Bankers Association, American Institute of CPAs, America Gains, Berkshire Hathaway, Consumer Bankers Association, Ernst & Young, Financial Services Roundtable, Investment Company Institute, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Prudential Financial, Sovereign Investment Council, Fidelity Investments, FMR Corp.

Benjamin Ginsberg: Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance, AIG Technical Services

David Girard-Dicarlo: American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters

Juleanna Glover Weiss: RJI Capital, American Institute of CPAs, BNP Paribas, Ernst & Young, PriceWaterhouseCoopers

Slade Gorton: Allstate Insurance, Hannan Armstrong Capital

Phil Gramm: UBS Americas

John Green: Laredo National Bank, Alternative Investment Management Association, AIG, Blackstone Group, Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Credit Suisse Group, Fannie Mae, Icahn Associates, FMR Corp., AFLAC, VISA

Janet Grissom: American Institute of CPAs, NYSE, Merrill Lynch

Kristen Gullott: San Diego Credit Union

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McCain's wall street lobbyists who are now his campaign employees, pt. 2.
Posted by: Beck on Oct 7, 2008 5:30 AM   
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Kent Hance: Stanford Financial Group, Municipal Capital Markets Group, Inc.

Vicki Hart: American Financial Services Association, Citigroup, Investment Company Institute, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, New York Stock Exchange, VISA, Carlyle Group, Credit Suisse, Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Goldman Sachs, National Association of Government Guaranteed Lenders, Stanford Group, Lloyd's of London, National City Corp.

Richard Hohlt: Capmark Financial Group, Fannie Mae, JP Morgan Chase and Co., Student Loan Marketing Association, Washington Mutual, Guaranty Bank & Trust, Peachtree Settlement Funding, Dime Savings Bank of New York

Gaylord Hughey: Heartland Security Insurance Group

Kate Hull: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Zurich Financial Services, American Insurance Association, Financial Executives International

James Hyland: American Insurance Association, Seattle Home Loan Bank, Self Help Credit Union, National Association of Bankruptcy Trustees, Merrill Lynch, Mortgage Investors Corp., Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Freddie Mac, New York Stock Exchange, Citigroup, VISA

Aleix Jarvis: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Financial Executives International, Mutual of Omaha, American Insurance Association, Zurich Financial Services

Greg Jenner: American Council of Life Insurers, JG Wentworth, UBS, VISA, PriceWaterhouseCoopers

Frank Keating: American Council of Life Insurers

Steven Kuykendall: California Bankers Association

William Lesher: Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Commerce Ventures, Rabobank International

Thomas Loeffler: Citigroup, Fannie Mae, Investment Company Institute, World Savings and Loan Association, United Services Automobile Association (USAA)

Kelly Lugar: RJI Capital Strategies

Peter Madigan: Arthur Andersen, Bank of New York, Broadridge Securities Processing, Charles Schwab, Deloitte and Touche, Goldman Sachs, International Employee Stock Option Coalition, Mastercard, NYSE, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, PNC Bank

Mary Mann: MassMutual

Paul Martino: Morgan Stanley, Baker Tilly

Jana McKeag: Venture Catalyst

Alison McSlarrow: Fannie Mae, Hartford

Mike Meece: Georgetown Partners

David Metzner: Ernst & Young, Harbinger Capital Investments, Prudential, Public Financial Management, Western Union

Susan Molinari: Freddie Mac, American Land Title Association, Association of Consumer Credit Unions, Beacon Capital Partners, College Loan Corp, Coventry First, E-Trade, Financial Services Roundtable, Rent-A-Center

John Moran: Cerberus Capital Management, American Council of Life Insurers, Accenture

John Napier: Freddie Mac

Susan Nelson: AIG, San Antonio Credit Union

Paul Otellini: Ernst & Young, Financial Services Forum

Steve Perry: Charles Schwab, Hoover Partners, HSBC, National Stock Exchange

Nancy Pfotenhauer: American Land Title Association, Mortgage Bankers Association

Elise Pickering-Finley: Credit Suisse, DE Shaw, Hartford Financial Services, Research In Motion, Retail Industry Lenders Association, URL Mutual

James Pitts: Advanced Association for Life Underwriting, AETNA, American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers, Debt Advisory International, Financial Services Coordinating Council, GE Financial Assurance, Hartford Life, Jefferson Pilot Financial, Kenwood Investments, MassMutual, Mutual of Omaha, New York Life, UNUM Provident, VISA, PMI Group

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last but not least
Posted by: Beck on Oct 7, 2008 5:32 AM   
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And this is all from an article on commondreams from Sept. 17. Notice that part 2 contained the name "keating"

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/17-7

Tim Powers: AP Capital, Genworth Financial, Retail Industry Lenders Association, E-LOAN, General Electric Mortgage Insurance

Walter Price: Wachovia

Sloan Rappoport: Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc. (FBR), Trafelet Delta Funds

Hans Rickhoff: Capital One, Investment Company Institute, United Services Automobile Association (USAA)

Kathleen Shanahan: New York Stock Exchange

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Milly Stanges: TIAA-CREF

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Peter Terpeluk: JP Morgan Chase, Ernst & Young, Prudential

Fred Thompson: Equitas

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John Timmons: National Association of Federal Credit Unions

William Timmons Sr.: American Council of Life Insurers, Citigroup, Dun & Bradstreet, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group

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My favorite part...
Posted by: BreeMass on Oct 7, 2008 6:49 AM   
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...is that they were accused of being "anti-Israel" for funding programs for Arab immigrants in Chicago. So now anybody who funds any Arabs anywhere in the world is anti-Israel?? I'm Jewish and that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

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Barack's Benefactors
Posted by: Nicnic on Oct 7, 2008 6:49 AM   
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Can someone please tell me how Barack managed to live in New York City on an $18,000 salary and exactly where did he get his tuition???

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I wish Obama were Radical
Posted by: vkobaya1 on Oct 7, 2008 7:31 AM   
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Obama is a corporatist, moderate, and coward on too many progressive, liberal issues. I wish he were a pal of Ayers. I'd feel a lot better about him than I do. I only support Obama because as awful as Obama is McCain is catastrophe as witnessed by McCain's racist bullshit. As for Obama appointing too many Blacks to his cabinet, sigh, I think Obama identifies with his White side too much and who would cross the street if he saw a Black man on his side of the street. Blank, blank him.

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I wish Obama were Radical
Posted by: vkobaya1 on Oct 7, 2008 7:31 AM   
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Obama is a corporatist, moderate, and coward on too many progressive, liberal issues. I wish he were a pal of Ayers. I'd feel a lot better about him than I do. I only support Obama because as awful as Obama is McCain is catastrophe as witnessed by McCain's racist bullshit. As for Obama appointing too many Blacks to his cabinet, sigh, I think Obama identifies with his White side too much and who would cross the street if he saw a Black man on his side of the street. Blank, blank him.

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I am associated with an attempted murderer!
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 7, 2008 7:39 AM   
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She was probably the best student in the class too. The state placed a number of ex-cons in our retraining program. I was one of the staffers.

Also, I met guys in the joint through prison worship groups.

Mr. Ayers's story is that he probably committed felonies, but then the wheels of justice messed up and good. We live in a free country that deliberately awards a few justice department messups in favor of the suspects, as long as there's a steady overall pressure to prosecute lawbreakers. The overall pressure is real, so, Mr. Ayers eventually went straight, he got invested in society, he got a doctoral degree that requires that he not commit felonies, he got tenure, he got kids, he got a 401k (ok, that one's down the tubes!). The guy morphed into a liberal. Where's the problem in associating with a 20 year liberal with a past?

We live in a forgiving society. We accept former sinners back into society. We give everyone an honest chance to go straight. We don't just tolerate and glare at formerly wayward people, we accept them. It's part of our nation's Christian heritage. By and large, acceptance works.

If you look at Barack's community organizing days, you'll probably find that he got at least one ex-con a job. Is that a political liability?

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The Ayers attack was desperately done by Steve Schmidt who worked for Bush/Cheney.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 7, 2008 7:43 AM   
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Besides, Obama has handled this kind of attack before and he'll do it again. And not to mention, he's countering it with Mccain's Keating 5 scandals which goes to show that Mccain would be just as bad as Bush at best on the economic front alone. Maybe for the first time, Obama is doing what no Democrat has never done before to counter these silly culture smears. And he's not like Dukakis and Kerry who sat it out from what I'm sensing.

October might be a little too late and I think Mccain's getting too desperate on this one just the way former Republican candidate for Governor of VA Jerry KILgore got when he tried to use the Nazi Holocaust attack against Tim Kaine in 2005 only to find it backfiring. I'm pretty sure that Mccain/Palin will back out next week when they don't find themselves gaining any support out of this, at least from moderates and independents.

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OMG
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Oct 7, 2008 7:56 AM   
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This just in!

Obama went to preschool with Charles Manson!

They even shared a diaper bag!

I am shaking in my boots over this horrific revelation!

Please, no one vote for Obama or we will all be butchered by radical extremists!

Get real folks, or Granny here will pop a gasket.

Luv,
Granny

Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!

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Depends how one looks at it.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Oct 7, 2008 7:59 AM   
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The President is a terrorist, if you are the target of a USA bombing.

Obama, as well as McCain have vowed to continue the murder of innocent civilians in the wars of the USA. The wars of the USA are unjust, and criminal: Iraq and Afganistan. They have nothing to do with the safety of the nation.

Therefore, Obama as well as McCain are terrorist, and the Nation continues to support the criminal activities of the ruling elite.

How about some outrage that the elections don't let other candidates or their ideas get mass media coverage equal to the two major party candidates?

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Golddiggers
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Oct 7, 2008 9:08 AM   
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Our newspaper receives lots of letters to the editor about national politics, Barack Obama, in particular, and this article about a relationship more than 30 years ago shows how hysterical some Americans become over Obama becoming president. How sad.

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» RE: Golddiggers Posted by: Quannah
» You're a racist! Posted by: Karl.Ben
» NOT a racist! Posted by: Kym525
» RE: NOT a racist! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: You're a racist! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: You're a racist! Posted by: Morell
» RE: You're a racist! Posted by: Quannah
Think Terrorist: Think War on Terror
Posted by: outlook on Oct 7, 2008 10:58 AM   
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Every time the shiny, winking Permafrost Pit-bull opens its mouth, it belches out a cloud of toxic methane. To suggest to the American people that Barack Obama has links with terrorists is inflamatory, highly iresponsible and a dangerous lie. There are a critical mass of people in your country who believe in the winking one's hot air and do not want a 'terrorist' for President. Her toxic prattling could put your best hope's life at risk. The memory of 9/11 is still a fresh and painful memory - so please concentrate on 'getting Osama' and 'betting on Obama'. The rest of us on the Planet have already voted him in.

And another thing - 'the pit-bull with a plaster over its mouth' please.

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This enrages me
Posted by: badkitty on Oct 7, 2008 11:01 AM   
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Unlike Obama, I was in my late teens when the Weather Underground came together. Yes, they did occasionally bomb, but never like the right wing Christian neo-Nazi types (think Oklahoma City). They always called in a warning that a bomb was going to go off in a certain building (always at night, as I recall), so the janitors could be evacuated out of the building. Their intent was never to kill people, but to destroy property. Furthermore, Bill Ayres is now a teacher (as was his younger brother, who was my son's teacher in high school). He doesn't get a pass but Charles Colson, who went to prison for Watergate crimes, and is now a a Christian minister, does? And as for anyone who thinks Obama is a left wing radical, you are sadly lacking in a sense of reality.

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McCain-Palin are LIARS!
Posted by: Obama44thpres on Oct 7, 2008 11:30 AM   
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Of course Palin's Ayers charge is FALSE. It has never been true. It has always been a LIE.

Everyone who has half a brain already know that this kind of nasty tactic of McCain-Palin is a LIE and has been investigated, rendered FALSE, and debunked many times. But I guess if one has an evil heart, if one is unqualified to be VP and president, and whose campaign is in the toilet; then I guess it's the only thing one can try to dig up. So if they want to focus their attention and energy in this direction, then I hope ALL of the American people will completely reject them.

No weapon forged against you [ Barack Obama] will prevail, and you [ Barack Obama] will refute every tongue that accuses you [ Barack Obama] . This is the heritage of the servants [ Barack Obama] of the LORD, and this is their [ Barack Obama] vindication from me," declares the LORD. - Isaiah 54:17

" I [ God ] will send my terror ahead of you [ Barack Obama] and throw into confusion every nation you [ Barack Obama] encounter. I [ God ] will make all your [ Barack Obama] enemies turn their backs and run." - Exodus 23:27

The Lord will rescue me [ Barack Obama] from every evil attack and will bring me [ Barack Obama] safely to his heavenly kingdom. - 2 Timothy 4:18


11 For he will command his angels concerning you [ Barack Obama] to guard you [ Barack Obama ] in all your ways; 12 they will lift you [ Barack Obama ] up in their hands, so that you [ Barack Obama ] will not strike your foot against a stone. 13 You [ Barack Obama ] will tread upon the lion and the cobra;
you [ Barack Obama ] will trample the great lion and the serpent. - Psalm 91:11-13


The America people will definitely have a real clear choice - to vote for a campaign [ Bush-McCain-Palin ] that focuses on LIES, rather that putting forth an economic plan that will benefit the lives of the America people, and put the country on a better path. Or vote for the ticket [ Obama-Biden ] that has maintained focused on an economic plan and vision to bring prosperity and justice to ALL of the American people and NOT just the wealthy and well connected.


It's time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It's time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It's time for REAL change in Washington, it's time to elect Barack Obama for president !


Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !

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Would you want your campaign kicked off by Tim McVeigh?
Posted by: donnal on Oct 7, 2008 4:53 PM   
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Would you want a person like Tim McVeigh to be your pal? Well that is what Bill Ayers was in the late 60's and early 70's. So you could say someone like Tim McVeigh launched Obama's political career. I wouldn't want many people to know about my close relationship with this type of person either if I was running for President.


Bill and Obama, worked very closely together, when Bill appointed Obama to the Anneberg Challenge. Obama gave Bill large sums of money for his education projects. Bill Ayers would not have let his project go to someone who he was not tight with...

Awhile at Occidental College, Obama was a SDS member, then he tranfers to Columbia. Of all the schools why Columbia, perhaps because that is where Bill Ayers was finishing up his masters? How did Obama, a poor student, make it in NYC and afford the tution...and why no records that he was there?

Then after Columbia, Obama goes to Chicago, and who lives there...Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers wife worked with Michelle Obama, they live in the same neighbor. Are these all just coincidences?

I will not vote for an man who is pals with a man that is like Tim McVeigh...As the President his duty is to protect this country from all foreign and domestic terrorists.

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THREAD THIN CONNECTION -SO THIN EVERYBODY SEES RIGHT THROUGH IT,
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Oct 7, 2008 5:47 PM   
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This is really sad, if that's all OLD SORRY RACIST ASS McCain has, then he has NOTHING!!! It is so super artificial crap. It is a wash-thread thin connection that means absolutely nothing...to anyone and has no relevance except in the feeble mind of the Insane McCain Camp! A weak-ass attempt to demoralize. The Keating Scandal, where McCain's buddy Charles Keating did go to prison and McCains STRONG TIES TO THAT MAN SHOULD BE MAGNIFIED AND NEEDS TO BE JUSTIFIED. When you did a grave for someone else, my mother used to say, you'd better dig two, and you will be the first to fall. FALL McCAIN, just drop in!! The radical decisions and statements that Ayers may have made and many and folks like Jane Fonda and others during their protest of the Vietnam War, 40 years ago and Obama was 8 Eight years old, GIVE ME A BREAK!!! If that is the best he's got, then that's all he got and he's DONE! THANK GOD!

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THREAD THIN CONNECTION -SO THIN EVERYBODY SEES RIGHT THROUGH IT,
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Oct 7, 2008 6:01 PM   
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This is really sad, if that's all OLD SORRY RACIST ASS McCain has, then he has NOTHING!!! It is super artificial crap. It is a wash-thread thin connection that means absolutely nothing...to anyone and has no relevance except in the feeble mind of the Insane McCain Camp! A weak-ass attempt to demoralize. The Keating Scandal, where McCain's buddy Charles Keating did go to prison and McCains STRONG TIES TO THAT MAN SHOULD BE MAGNIFIED AND NEEDS TO BE JUSTIFIED. MCCAIN's ASS WAS UNDER HEAVY FEDERAL INVESTIGATION FOR HIS CONNECTION AND INVOLVEMENT WITH THIS MAN!!!

"When you DIG a grave for someone else, my mother used to say, you'd better dig two, and you will be the first to fall." FALL McCAIN, just drop in!! The radical decisions and statements that Ayers may have made and many and folks like Jane Fonda and others during their protest of the Vietnam War, WAS 40 years ago, and Obama was 8 Eight years old at the time. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

If that is the best he's got, then that's all he got and he's DONE! THANK GOD!

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why don't we look at MCCAIN's TERRORIST CONNECTIONS?
Posted by: aalif ba ta tha on Oct 7, 2008 8:37 PM   
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McCain belongs to the same radical political group as one of the most dangerous terrorists in America. I have even seen photos of McCain embracing this terrorist. McCain has sided with this terrorist 95% of his voting record over the last four years. McCain shares the same dangerous, destructive, anti-American ideology as this terrorist. This terrorist, of course, is George W. Bush.

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What about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge???
Posted by: VeryBlessed on Oct 9, 2008 11:13 AM   
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Did I miss it, or was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge not mentioned at all - not in the article or even in anyone's comments?

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Will the real terrorists please stand up?
Posted by: Baukunin on Oct 10, 2008 11:49 AM   
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Charles Krauthammer wrote in Townhall on 10/09: "It is hard to think of any presidential candidate before Barack Obama sporting associations with three more execrable characters," than William Ayers, Tony Rezko and Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

G. Gordon Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain's campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February. McCain has appeared on Liddy's radio show as recently as May. An online video includes an 11/8/07 discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an "old friend." McCain praised Liddy's "adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great," said he was "proud" of Liddy, and said that "it's always a pleasure for me to come on your program."

Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the break-ins at Watergate and the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg and acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in "if necessary." He plotted to murder journalist Jack Anderson and with a "gangland figure" to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotted to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican Convention. Liddy reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.

After Liddy listened to Hitler on the radio, he said it "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before. Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will sent an electric current through my body."

On August 26, 1994 - Liddy said, "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." ... "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches. September 15, 1994 - If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head.

Ayers has not been tried for anything, even plotting he may have done when Obama was 8 years old. Ayres was expelled from the Weathermen in 1976 for being too moderate.

Tony Rezko? Hey, Charles Keating!

McCain's chief economic advisors? Deregulator Phil Gramm and Fred Malek, Nixon's Jew hunter. Randy Scheunemann, who engineered getting Bush to invade Iraq and wants to start one with Iran is McCain's chief foreign policy advisor.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Wright's got nothing on Rod Parsley, John Hagee, Pat Robertson and Bob Jones III.

Sarah's got similar problems: Joe Vogler, murdered in a 1993 plastic explosives deal gone bad was the founder of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party to which Todd belonged for many years. In 1991 Joe said, "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson (Canada). When Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

11% of all Sarah's 2002 contributions were from the campaign finance laundry of convicted criminals and Ted Stevens' friends, Veco's Bill Allen and Rick Smith.

Sarah's spiritual advisors are a collection of creationists, Anti-Semites, homophobes and witch hunters, conversing in "tongues." Ed Kallins, David Brickner, Thomas Murthee.

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ANYONE Who's Been Active Helping Others Touches Base with ...
Posted by: sallyride on Oct 10, 2008 12:22 PM   
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. . . others from all walks of life, or we weren't doing our job! Do you know who was with you during Viet Nam protests, or during the Central American refugee rescues? Most of us don't, we just pitched in to help. But,I do know some of those I cared for medically coming back from "Nam" who should not have been there to begin with. We were told not to "mention" or report such situations, or more than 1 body in a body bag. BASTA.

Those who help others in communities may not be judgemental, nor cast doubts on othes; the focus is on "Mission" only, which must be centered on saving lives, and improving living conditions for all peoples.

Someone needs to audit the McCain Campaign. Never before in at least 58 years have I experienced such hate-mongering, such outright lies, such patehthically inept and low-self esteem candidates shooting arrows (I hope minimally) at their opposing ticket. How on earth can anyone trust these nuts?

Someone, please remind McBlame and his crew that they serve at our consent, and only with our consent, and no one shall ever do otherwise again in the U.S. - they'll be summarily removed.

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QUESTIONS FOR THE SARH PALIN FOLLOWERS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 10, 2008 2:26 PM   
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Three weeks ago did any of these people know who William Ayers was? Two weeks before that, had they ever heard of Sarah Palin? Nature abhors a vacuum. ANNA

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Looking for Diamonds in a Swamp
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Oct 10, 2008 2:31 PM   
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My, my, my, how low have McCain and Palin have sunk into the morass-bloodsport/beauty contest of American politics.
How hard did their staff have to work to mine these imitations of diamonds, in which they are really moissanite, and attempt to assassinate Barack's "character". He met Ayers when he was ONLY EIGHT YEARS OLD, for crying out loud, folks!
McCain and Palin clearly are diamond mining in a swamp. Their platform is built tediously on unstable footing of terse words, innuendos and hysteria. It's a campaign that is sinking onto unprecedented levels of fanaticism and the murky waters with silt are up to their necks.

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Obama-Ayers vs. McCain Keating
Posted by: KACalder on Oct 13, 2008 7:05 AM   
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The following is an excerpt of my post on the Nashua Telegraph Forums (I live in Nashua NH):

Each side is sharply charging the MSM with being biased toward the other side. For sure, any time the most candid and honest presentation of facts is unfavorable to one side, that side is going to jump and scream, "Bias! Bias!"

Can anyone name a single MSM source that both sides agree is "fair and balanced"?

I can't. However, I need to ask some questions about what it means for media to be "fair and balanced."

Numbers of discerning people have pointed out the prevailing misconception that being fair and balanced means presenting the two sides as if they were equal. Never mind how much suppression or enhancement the journalist has to engage in to strike that sense of equality.

These days the classic case-in-point is Obama's Ayers vs. McCain's Keating. Are these two historical relationships equal? Please, let's look at the basic facts of each:

1. OBAMA-AYERS: Obama had no involvement whatsoever, direct or indirect, with Ayers' wrongdoing of many years before when Obama was 8 and living abroad.
McCAIN-KEATING: McCain was directly and contemporaneously involved with Keating's wrongdoing.

2. OBAMA-AYERS: The charges against Ayers for that long-ago conduct were dropped. No conviction, no prison.
McCAIN-KEATING: Keating was convicted of his wrongdoing and went to prison.

3. OBAMA-AYERS: Arguably, even though Ayers' erstwhile conduct was reprehensible, his motivations could be held valid (some would even say noble).
McCAIN-KEATING: Keating was indefensible in either conduct or motivation. Ignoble through and through.

4. OBAMA-AYERS: Obama's involvement with Ayers was as professional colleagues, never as a government official involved with a crook. Implications for an Obama presidency are negligible.
McCAIN-KEATING: McCain's involvement with Keating was as one of the Keating Five of senators suborned by Keating, and per #2 below, his personal relationship with Keating was closest of the five. He was a government official directly involved with the criminal activities of a crook. Implications for a McCain presidency are significant.

5. OBAMA-AYERS: There have never been any charges (nor could there be!) of impropriety of any sort in Obama's association with Ayers.
McCAIN-KEATING: All five senators were investigated for corruption by the Senate Ethics Committee, and while the committee found McCain guilty of only "poor judgment," per #2 below there were limitations and flaws in the whole process that prevent us from knowing the full story.

Given the above foundational facts, can anyone dispute that the McCain-Keating connection is incomparably more culpable, with more implications for a McCain presidency, than the Obama-Ayers connection?

And yet where has been the media emphasis? (I suspect the disproportion has something to do with the Ayers story being "sexier.") What is the "fair and balanced" position here? And where is the bias?

Similarly compare the two campaigns on the issue of negativity. Are they equal? Should they be presented as equal if in fact they're not? I won't go further on that here, but check these:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... 5392.story
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpoints ... ding_n.php

These two Wikipedia pages are relevant to the above Ayers-Keating comparison. Both also contain a vast array of references and links.
#1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
#2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

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