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Will the Economic Meltdown Undermine Interest in Health Care Reform?

By Niko Karvounis, Health Beat. Posted October 6, 2008.


The current bailout is costing us only a third of what we pay each year for chronic illnesses like cancer, diabetes and obesity.
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This post originally appeared on Health Beat.

Writing on The Health Care Blog, D.C. insider Bob Laszewski puts the chances of health care reform -- at least in the form envisioned by the presidential candidates and ambitious activists -- at about zero in the wake of Wall Street's meltdown. It's easy to see why Laszewski is so pessimistic:

"On top of the $500 billion deficit [that the government faces] in 2009 ... and the cost of the Freddie and Fannie bailout ... the Congress is now being told it must take on a total of almost $1 trillion in government long-term costs to try to turn the financial system around."

That's a problem. McCain claims his reform plan will cost $10 billion; Senator Obama says his will cost $65 billion. Both are no doubt low-ball estimates. Obama's plan, for example, is more likely to cost $86 billion in 2009 and $160 billion in 2013, after it's expanded, according to the Urban Institute. Given these numbers, Laszewski says that the candidates have to "get...real" about how they're "really going to deal with health care reform in the face of all of these challenges."

In an upcoming post, Maggie will dig deeper into just how health care reformers can and should 'get real' in post-meltdown America. But instead of talking about what reformers should do, I want to discuss another important question we have to pose in the upcoming age of austerity: will the public even care about health care reform anymore, now that the economy has gone south?

On September 30, the Partnership to Fight Chronic Disease (PFCD) held a conference call with reporters. On the call were Ken Thorpe, PFCD's Executive Director, and former U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Service Tommy Thompson. Though I've never been a fan of Thompson, he had some interesting things to say.

Thompson opened by laying out the numbers behind U.S. health care expenditures, noting that "16 percent of the [U.S.] gross national product goes into healthcare [every year], and [that proportion is] on its way to 21 percent." He also pointed out that "we're spending $2.4 trillion, on the way to $4.6 trillion, and 75 to 80 percent of that cost is over chronic illnesses" like cardiovascular disease, strokes, cancer, diabetes, and obesity.

While these statistics are hardly new to health care wonks, they're worth reconsidering in light of Congress' bailout plan. Seventy-five percent of $2.4 trillion is $1.8 trillion -- meaning that, annually, chronic diseases cost us almost three times as much as the current bailout bill. The nation's total health care bill is the equivalent of passing a bailout, saving Bear Sterns, nationalizing Fannie and Freddie, and propping up AIG twice every year.

If nothing else, the Wall Street implosion puts the sheer scale of America's health care woes in perspective. As such, Thompson and Thorpe agree that the economic meltdown is a powerful wake-up call to the American public. During the call, Thompson said that he thinks that citizens are "absolutely frustrated with Congress and Washington avoiding problems," and are thus likely to begin demanding action on long-term crises like health care. The need for reform "is hung around the neck of Democrats, Republicans, George Bush and everybody else, and Wall Street," he said, and the American public wants to "find an answer." Thorpe agreed, saying that outrage surrounding the economic crisis has "stirred a bee's nest" of dissatisfaction that will "elevate the interest and desire to do something on healthcare reform in 2009."

In other words, our economic crisis highlights the danger of senseless spending and lays bare the catastrophic danger that comes with ignoring the rumbling of a financial crisis. As Thompson and Thorpe see it, voters are deciding that they're mad as hell -- and health care is another area triggering their wrath.

Dr. David Kibbe of the American Academy of Family Physicians agrees. Also writing on The Health Care Blog, Kibbe argues that Americans' feelings of betrayal over Wall Street's greed will spill over into health care. Kibbe notes: "[A]ny sentient observer of this [economic] trickery on such a massive and systematic scale will start to ask questions about who else among our highest paid and most trusted professionals might be lying to us about the well being we place in their hands.   Who else [besides financiers,] they will ask, is making money off our trust in them? Who else, they will ask, is skimming money off the top of an inflated and ultimately doomed -- because unsustainable -- market for complex services? Where is the next bubble that privatizes profits but socializes risk?"


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Niko Karvounis is a Program Officer with The Century Foundation in New York City, where he works on issues of socioeconomic inequality and health care. He is a regular contributor to Health Beat, the Foundation’s health care blog.

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Biggest myth perpetrated on Americans today
Posted by: bthespoon on Oct 6, 2008 5:49 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...is that United Protection (AKA Single Payer) health coverage would cost more, when in fact it would save us collectively hundreds of billions of currently wasted health care dollars every year compared to what we're spending now.

We could and should easily be paying far less while receiving far more in return. The answer is to use the common business sense of eliminating unnecessary, exceptionally greedy, amoral middlemen (profit-driven health insurers) and start utilizing efficiencies of scale. NO viable business would allow 31% to be cut off the top before any goods or services could be delivered, and "we the people's" business should not allow it either.

The cost of NOT fixing our health care crises every year after year is at least $350 Billion (www.pnhp.org), 101,000 easily preventable deaths (study published in Health ASffairs), uncounted unnecessary disablings due to lack of access to adequate health care, hundreds of thousands of medical bankruptcies, and at least 47 million Americans living in terror.

Al Qaeda can only hope to wreak the havoc upon our society that profit-driven health insurers do now.

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» Oh please, spare me Posted by: eeezzz
If one of the candidates had voted against the bailout.
Posted by: lil ole me on Oct 6, 2008 6:30 PM   
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They would have won my vote hands down.

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» I hear you Posted by: eeezzz
I don't get Obama's "government healthcare, more taxes"
Posted by: Landbaron on Oct 6, 2008 7:39 PM   
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We would be paying more taxes INSTEAD of healthcare premiums which would probably be alot less since it would cut 27% in administrative costs and everyone would would pay a fair share.
It looks like he wants to appease the insurance companies and the people in good health that don't buy health insurance. Why buy flood insurance if you're not in a flood zone? Don't misunderstand, McCain is not an option.

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» More taxes for the rich Posted by: cori
Canadian healthcare
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Oct 6, 2008 10:08 PM   
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If we can "afford" a war in Iraq and a $700 Billion bailout

We can obviously afford the same health care deal the Canadians get.
See: 10 Myths About Canadian Healthcare, Busted
By Sara Robinson, TomPaine.com. Posted February 5, 2008.
http://www.alternet.org/
healthwellness/76032/10_
myths_about_canadian_
health_care%2C_busted/
Getting past a pile of disinformation.
See also:
http://www.alternet.org/
workplace/96354/america
%27s_invisible_rich/
http://www.alternet.org/
election08/93057/america%
27s_richest_will_pay_more_
under_obama%27s_tax_plan/
http://www.irs.gov/
pub/irs-soi/06in01etr.xls

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» RE: Canadian healthcare Posted by: Landbaron
the econmic meltdown is part and parcle of health care crisis...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Oct 7, 2008 3:39 PM   
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... as most of the bad paper debt that banks rolled up was debt to pay healthcare costs!

when are people going to get it... healthcare affects everyone... including business!

universal healthcare solves a major piece of this economic meltdown we're feeling today... its been many years in the making but it's only now that we're seeing the costs of decades of healthcare costs run up through the mortgage industry!

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» But for the grace of God go you Posted by: bthespoon
» Hey - Don't I know it! Posted by: eeezzz
Axe the military
Posted by: Ayuh! on Oct 8, 2008 2:24 AM   
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We account for roughly half the world's military spending. This is a waste. It serves no defense purpose and only gets us into trouble as our generals get bored and want to put their wargaming to real use and play with their amazing toys. We could cut this in half and it'd still be more than any other single nation and more than all of Europe combined. Nobody can touch us now, and nobody could touch us if we took the axe to our military. We waste roughly half our discretionary budget on this idiocy. We could chop that in half and spend that roughly quarter trillion on health care.

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» RE: Axe the military Posted by: jreinhart1
» Don't Axe the military, throw money at it! Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: Axe the military Posted by: edgar1
Cancer, diabetes, obesity - all 90% preventable
Posted by: eeezzz on Oct 8, 2008 8:12 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Stop smoking, stop pigging out, stop the lines at the fast food drive-ins's, get off your arses and exersize! But noooo, Liberals don't EVER address the personal responsibility aspect to anything. Just, give everyone more "BENEFITS" and cash so they can keep doing whatever they figgin want!
Are there people who get these conditions through heredity or other unfortunate circumstances? Yes, maybe 10-15% of the time. But it's a safe bet that 85% of our astronomical health care costs stem from lifestyle choices and rather than even address an inkling of that aspect of the problem, you just keep screaming to be taken care of by the nanny state, no matter what you do!

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» You are absolutely wrong. Posted by: bthespoon
» And I feel sorry for you... Posted by: eeezzz
85% of costs are preventable
Posted by: eeezzz on Oct 8, 2008 9:17 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Put down the deep fried chicken and the salt shaker. That alone would save billions of dollars a year. I never said people would never get sick, I said 85% of it can be dealt with through personal responsibility, but you can't stomach the truth, you have to blame someone or something else.
I live in a resort town and every weekend, even now when everyone is supposed to be "broke," there are lines and lines of people at the 'deep fried everything' places, sucking that crap down. Afterwards, they lay like lifeless zombies, en masse on the beach and burn to a crisp. 100's of thousands of them at a time, every year. On the way in and out of town they throw fast food wrappers all over the road. Their children look like little angry red beach balls. 50% of the parents can barely walk without struggling to do so. But hey, all they need are more BENEFITS!!!! A big daddy government to take care of them like they are children. And you know what really sucks? THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED HELP THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN CAN'T GET IT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO DID THIS TO THEMSELVES ARE SUCKING UP THOSE RESOURCES.

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» Easy... Posted by: eeezzz
Cut down spending on war/occuption, "war on drugs", tax cuts for Wall $treet and the wealthy elites,
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 8, 2008 9:50 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"free" trade scams, rightwing religious welfare handouts, etc ... and health care reform won't be undermined.

AND STOP VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS UNLESS HE/SHE ACTUALLY THINKS AND DOESN'T VOTE LOCKSTEP WITH THE MONIED ELITES !

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For these States in America, the Economy is Not the Cause of...
Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 8, 2008 11:30 AM   
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HEALTHCARE MAINTENANCE...BEING ...POORLY.
For the States of Oklahoma / Alabama / Mississippi, they have FULLY-FAILED TO PROVIDE "PROPER HEALTHCARE MAINTENANCE"...OF THE PALLIATIVE CARE...
This type of Healthcare Maintenance, refers to Treatment that Concentrates on *Reducing the Severity of Symptoms, Rather than Striving to Halt, Delay or Cure the Disease, Itself*.
The Goal of Palliative Care, is to Prevent & Relieve Suffering & IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE, FOR THE *SICK PEOPLE*.
These 3-States, receive an "F" Grade for Palliative Care, failing to provide for *sick
people*.
This information comes to us from: The Center to Advance Palliative Care & the National Palliative Care Research Center, & this Report was published in the October 2008 Issue of The Journal of Palliative Medicine.
Overall, the U.S., received an Average "C" Grade, for Access to Palliative Care.
THE STATES WHO ARE "PERFECT IN PROVIDING *PALLIATIVE HEALTHCARE MAINTENANCE* IS: VERMONT, MONTANA & NEW HAMPHIRE.
(Well, 3-out of 52 States, IS THIS A BAD AVERAGE ??)
America, is in Worse Shape than is being Portrayed by Our Leaders.
90 MILLION AMERICANS, ARE "LIVING WITH" SERIOUS ILLNESSES OR CHRONIC CONDITIONS OF ILL-HEALTH.
With the Baby Boomers, coming into the age for Homebound Healthcare, this Number of Patients is Expected to More Than Double, BEFORE THE NEXT 25 YEARS !!
Are We Supposed to Invite / Ask People to Remain living or Come & Live in a State, where the Healthcare Maintenance is AT GROUND-ZERO.
(& WE SAY THAT "WE ARE PROUD OF AMERICA)
What Pride is there, When the Citizens of America are *sick* & their Health is Not Being "Promoted to Health & Wellness" Stage.???
IS THIS A *SIGN* THAT *THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, WANTS THE AMERICAN CITIZENS, TO *STAY SICK* ??
Well, look at all the Monies of the Taxpayers, which is going to pay for Healthcare in America.
Looks to me, this has been, so far, a waste of time, effort & monies...for the Health of the Citizens, to go downhill / Citizens being Denied the Proper Healthcare Maintenance of Palliative Care !!
For the Homebound, especially of Military Disabled Veterans, the Annual Cost is basically
$32,000.00 to $35,000.00.
BUT, "THEIR HEALTH ISN'T BEING IMPROVED"...& NEITHER IS THE HEALTH OF THE *GENERAL PUBLIC*
who are on Homebound Status.
Can you imagine that a Personal Care worker of the Advantage Program, thru DHS, EACH WORKER IS *NOT REQUIRED TO BE: TRAINED FOR PROPER DISHWASHING / HOUSECLEANING / MOPPING A FLOOR /
FOOD PREP...& THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A *FOOD HANDLERS PERMIT / PATIENT SAFETY TRAINING / OR A PERSONAL *DISEASE-FREE, HEALTH CARD.
In other words, these unknown workers, can Enter a Private Home, bringing with them, possibly...Staph Infection & be in Possession of a Transmittable Disease, & the Private Citizen, of Homebound Status...won't know the Difference.!! UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE, & THE HOMEBOUND PATIENT'S HEALTH WORSENS !!
THE NEXT PRESIDENT IS GONNA HAVE A "PLATE FULL OF ERRORS, CARRIED OVER FROM THIS CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, FOR SURE".
Are We Sure Any of the Current Candidates, can
& are Eligible to Handle such a Large Responsibility ???
Check it Out....BEFORE YOU VOTE !!
One American Lady

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Health & Wellness Centers are Cropping Up, Across America, and...
Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 8, 2008 11:39 AM   
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They are Being Given Large Sums of Funds, & the Rate of Fees, is Supposed to be a Sliding Scale... so that the Uninsured, can have Proper Healthcare... BUT, SOON AS THEY BUILD UP A CLIENTEL, WHO HAVE MEDICARE & MEDICAID & SOONER-CARE MEDICAL INSURANCE... the Uninsured, Can't Get An Appointment for 6 to 8 weeks, & sometimes 3 months...wait, for Dental Care !!
When Health & Wellness Centers are Established,
it can prevent a local hospital from receiving funds for Uninsured...but THE HEALTH & WELLNESS CENTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PROVIDE MEDICAL CARE FOR *EMERGENCY CARE*.
So, where does this Leave the Hospitals??
IN-DEBT...GOING BROKE !!
One American Lady

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Health Care Reform Will Still Happen But......
Posted by: drricklippin on Oct 8, 2008 2:55 PM   
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A theme of the current US economic crisis is the demise of "the free market solves all problems" model. Thus a return of the need for regultory oversight in many sectors is upon us.

Health care especially requires regulations for many reasons not the least of which is the need for compassionae and fair rationing so that ALL American citizens can obtain some basic level of quality affordable care.

While the current economic crisis (as the war has) will make less money available for major new high tech-high cost programs and/or deccelerate their implementation timetables, the fundamental theme of increased regulations in many sectors including health care will prevail.

Hence health care reform will still happen soon but costs will be more closely scrutinized.

This set of dynamics should drive my personl favorite themes of individual(health behaviors) and institutional(public health) prevention.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa
ralippin@aol.com

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I'm all for healthcare for the TRULY suffering
Posted by: eeezzz on Oct 8, 2008 3:06 PM   
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Why do we have to keep pretending that people's lifestyle choices and personal responsibility DO NOT MATTER?
That's why I do everything I can NOT to hog medical resources so that truly needy folk who get sick through no fault of thier own, like your friend's daughter, have access to the care they need. But with all the obese, smoking, drinking, laying around on their arses "sick" Americans demanding that the government take care of THEM, when they don't do a damn thing to take care of themselves, that innocent teenager will have to take a number.
Truly, I don't mind helping that little girl out one bit, it's the woman/man next to me, like everywhere I look, that weighs 200+ pounds, smokes like a chimney, chows down like a pig, drinks to excess, never moves a muscle that she /he does not have to, and pops 17 different kinds of pills for all of her/his self-imposed health problems that I don't want to have to give a dime to.
Seriously, let's make the planet we do live on a truly, honestly compassionate place and help the people that really need it instead of the big babies who refuse to grow up and take responsibility for themselves.

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» RE: Overweight people Posted by: Landbaron
Why do we have to keep pretending...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Oct 10, 2008 1:53 AM   
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...that people's lifestyle choices and personal responsibility DO NOT MATTER?...

The untreated and uneducated masses of medical consumers are all of us, no matter if your genetically predisposed to disease or not!
A good working medical system will take care of its own patients no matter the pool of persons requiring treatment and education... your argument IMHO is the nature versus nurture one when in reality if you treat a disease before it becomes one you save us all, not only lives but in extremes in healthcare costs...

My previous post above was pointing out the costs that healthcare reaps from those needing care and have collateral, with the assets that these corporatist money mongers can get there hands on... by forcing the refinancing of the family home...

In the end of over 30-40 years of unequaled economic growth... the amount of bad paper [debt] collected by Banks on behalf of the of Nixon's HMO policy, is just plain stupid for the long term budgetary planning and was bound to undermine stability...

but maybe that was the plan all along as Wall street can make money on a loosing market as well as a gaining one...

Just trying to point out the obvious, that it's not about conserving healthcare for those that need it, but is about providing complete care no matter who requires it because it makes economic sense.

there are hundreds of healthcare models to look at but the one model that all Americans refuse to recognize is the one that started it all worldwide.
Which was President Truman's Health care plan introduced at the end of WW2!

time to wake up people... your authority has been usurped by carpetbaggers!

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Beyond Sad, Beyond obscene.....
Posted by: Landbaron on Oct 17, 2008 7:41 PM   
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The 25 Highest Paid HMO Executives 1996 Annual Compensation
Exclusive of Unexercised Stock Options

Stephen Wiggins, CEO, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $29,061,599
Wilson Taylor, Chairman and CEO, CIGNA Corporation $11,568,410
David Snow, Executive Vice President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $10,403,451
Robert Smoler, Executive Vice President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $10,085,972
William Sullivan, President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $7,823,076
Joseph Sebastianelli, President, Aetna, Inc. $7,394,506
Michael Cardillo, Executive Vice President, Aetna, Inc. $7,069,969
Leonard Schaeffer, Chairman and CEO, WellPoint Health Networks, Inc. $7,010,698
George Jochum, President and CEO, Mid-Atlantic Medical Services, Inc. $6,526,065
Ronald Compton, Chairman and CEO, Aetna, Inc. $5,813,287
Wayne Smith, Former President, Humana, Inc. $5,166,575
James Stewart, Executive Vice President, CIGNA Corporation $4,832,799
Richard Huber, Vice Chairman, Aetna, Inc. $4,801,841
Roger Taylor, Executive Vice President, PacifiCare Health Systems, Inc. $4,103,864
Daniel Crowley, CEO and President, Foundation Health Corporation $3,849,023
Gerald Isom, President, Property and Casualty, CIGNA Corporation $3,778,293
Alan Hoops, President and CEO, PacifiCare Health Systems, Inc. $3,221,602
Daniel Kearney, Executive Vice President, Aetna, Inc $3,189,272
D. Mark Weinberg, Exec. Vice President, WellPoint Health Networks, Inc. $3,009,944
Donald Levinson, Executive Vice President, CIGNA Corporation $2,985,017
Ronald Williams, Exec. Vice President, WellPoint Health Networks, Inc. $2,827,381
Allen Wise, Executive Vice President, United HealthCare Corporation $2,697,751
Jeffrey Elder, Senior Vice President, Foundation Health Corporation $2,235,783
H. Edward Hanway, President CIGNA HealthCare, CIGNA Corporation $2,217,711
Kirk Benson, President and COO, Foundation Health Corporation $2,104,414

Totals, by Company, of Executives in above list only:

Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $57,374,098
Aetna, Inc $28,268,875
CIGNA Corporation $25,382,230
WellPoint Health Networks, Inc. $12,848,023
Foundation Health Corporation $8,189,220
Mid-Atlantic Medical Services, Inc. $6,526,065
PacifiCare Health Systems, Inc. $7,325,466
Humana, Inc. $5,166,575
United HealthCare Corporation $2,697,751
Cumulative Total $153,778,303

The 25 Executives with the Largest Unexercised
Stock Option Packages in 1996

Stephen Wiggins, CEO, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $82,799,000
William McGuire, CEO, United HealthCare Corp. $50,042,237
David Snow, Executive Vice President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $23,888,000
William Sullivan, President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $20,408,000
Alan Hoops, President and CEO, PacifiCare Health Systems, Inc. $15,338,120
Robert Smoler, Executive Vice President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $14,015,000
Wilson Taylor, Chairman and CEO, CIGNA Corporation $12,057,758
Samuel Miller, Executive Vice President, United Wisconsin Services, Inc. $9,340,174
Wayne Smith, Former President, Humana, Inc. $9,170,060
Ronald Compton, Chairman and CEO, Aetna, Inc. $8,466,861
Peter Ratican, CEO and President, Maxicare Health Plans, Inc. $7,675,726
Eugene Froelich, Executive Vice President, Maxicare Health Plans, Inc. $7,675,726
Jeffrey Folick, Executive Vice President, PacifiCare Health Systems, Inc. $7,175,127
Leonard Schaeffer, Chairman and CEO, WellPoint Health Networks, Inc. $7,173,773
James Stewart, Executive Vice President, CIGNA Corp. $7,073,436
Travers Wills, COO, United HealthCare Corp. $6,963,427

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