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A Country in Shambles, Under GOP Rule
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There are few things that make political coverage more unbearable -- and more distorting -- than The David Brooks Syndrome: the extremely patronizing and ill-informed pretense, shared by media and right-wing elites alike, that they can study the Little Common Person like a zoo animal, and then translate and give voice to their simple-minded, good-hearted, salt-of-the-earth perspectives. Rarely has this mentality been so transparent as in the wake of the Biden-Palin debate, as pundits and right-wing polemicists like Brooks, Peggy Noonan and Rich "Starbursts" Lowry rushed forward to proclaim giddily that Regular Americans would love Sarah Palin and this love could even help McCain win, despite -- or, really, because of -- her vapid, content-free telegenic presence.
Actual empirical evidence -- called "polling data" -- has almost uniformly demonstrated how false these condescending pats on the head are, as every single poll conducted thus far (at least that I'm aware of) found that Americans believed that Biden won and is the far more serious candidate for office, and huge numbers continue to have profound doubts about Palin's fitness for office. And the first tracking poll to report a full post-debate day of polling -- the Research 2000 poll for Daily Kos -- finds Obama with a 13-point lead, his largest ever. This joint right-wing/pundit claim that Americans would swoon in the face of Palin's empty chatter, self-conscious folksiness and chronic, seizure-like winking says much more about those making the claim than it does about their Regular People subjects.
As polling data conclusively demonstrates, the mindset of the voting public is infinitely more rational and substance-based than the pundits and the Right fantasize when they lyrically praise the Regular American -- at least it is in this time of perceived (and actual crisis). What's happening in this country, and in this election, is rather simple and easy to see: (1) the country is in total shambles -- possibly far worse than what people even realize; (2) we have lived for the last eight years under virtually absolute GOP rule; (3) the public knows this; (4) the Republican President and his party are therefore intensely -- historically -- unpopular; and (5) the voting public doesn't want to continue living under the rule of the same faction and same political party that has driven the country into the ground. Having Sarah Palin drop her gerund endings and desperately trotting out the standard, tired GOP attack ads to depict Obama as a radical, fist-pumping, America-hating, unhinged socialist -- when everyone can see with their own eyes that he isn't -- won't change any of that.
That the Right believes in the fundamental stupidity of the American voter while simultaneously pretending to revere and speak for them them is reflected in their belief that they can successfully blame the financial crisis and the country's woes generally on Democrats, who -- while hardly covering themselves with glory -- haven't had any meaningful power in this country for as long as one can remember. Ponder how stupid you must think Americans are to believe that you can blame the financial crisis on the 2004 statements of House Democrats about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac when that was a time when the GOP controlled all branches of the Government and nothing could have been more inconsequential than what Barney Frank or Maxine Waters, languishing in the minority in Tom DeLay's tyrannical House, said or did about anything.
In sum, Americans hate the way the country has been ruled, the economic crisis is making them hate that more by the minute, and the country has been dominated by Republican rule for the last eight years -- at least. It's just this simple:
And the reality is even more imbalanced than that graph illustrates: between (1) the tiny margins the Democrats have had when controlling the Senate, (2) the true functional majority of "GOP + Blue Dogs" in the House, and (3) Democratic complicity and fear, it is GOP policy which ends up prevailing in virtually every instance of alleged "bipartisanship" even during those tiny slivers of ostensible Democratic control.The overarching reality of the country is that we've lived under unchallenged Republican rule and the country has virtually collapsed on every level. No matter how dumb Rich Lowry and David Brooks fantasize The Regular People to be, those facts are far too glaring to suppress.
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Posted by: nihilozero on Oct 7, 2008 1:57 AM
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Posted by: IPF on Oct 7, 2008 2:05 AM
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I say the congress(Democrat controlled, of course) should pass a law banning opposing parties. Does that suit you?
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» But the Democrats ALWAYS pander to the GOP and they should be PUNISHED !
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» Listen to yourself - "small Democratic majority"?
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» I guess you're one of those idiots
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Oct 7, 2008 2:55 AM
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It has been the political awakening of the Christian right that has led to these disasters. The same people are now flocking to Sarah Palin.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 7, 2008 3:09 AM
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Seriously, did you ever get the feeling that you were living within the pages of a brilliant, dark comic masterpiece?
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Posted by: socialpsych on Oct 7, 2008 3:15 AM
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Posted by: feduphoosier on Oct 7, 2008 4:13 AM
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I liked Clinton until after his administration. I admit that I wasn't watching closely until Katrina; Katrina blew my eyes open wide, and suddenly I started seeing Clinton in hindsight, and I realized that he was actually the beginning. He facilitated the deregulation of the corporate media, and ushered in the WTO. No wonder he was golfing with George Sr. seemingly days after the ugly GOP partisan attacks. He wasn't really a Democrat; he was one of these corporate body-snatchers.
It finally dawned on me that the corporations are now pulling everyone's strings; have really taken over both parties. They may prefer Republicans - much more extreme and excessive with their corporate pandering and deregulation - but they're equal opportunity employers (see Reid and Pelosi, her lost impeachment table, and this entire Wall Street bailout. There were plenty of opportunities to include help for home owners, but Nancy and Harry wasn't worried about us -- just their lobbyists.)
I am now firmly entrenched in the land of the Independent; and while I do plan to vote for Obama, it is in the hope that he can transcend the recent behavior of his party and become a real leader. Both political parties have lost their way and left their former platforms (as well as their voting constituents, the people) in the dust.
Republicans in Indiana are as turned off by Neocons as many Democrats are disgusted by the corporate pandering of Democrats in congress. We are increasingly leaving the wreckage of our parties and forming a tentative alliance here in Independent-land.
If we do manage to get Obama elected (and I expect massive voter fraud so I hardly dare hope...) he had better deliver on his promises to put people over lobbyists. Voters will hold him to that. If not... watch for the rise of a third party. I think Americans have absolutely had it.
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Posted by: Karl.Ben on Oct 7, 2008 4:38 AM
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Barney Franks sexual affair with a top executive of Fanny Mae at a time he was opposing tighter regulations of them!
Dodd taking special deals from country wide! what exactly went on there.
McCain and others, including Bush, warning of this impending failure and yet, nothing is done. Bush sat back, McCain didn't push and Pelosi puts the incompetent Dodd and Franks in committee chairmenships.
Bush and the democrat congress have approval ratings that reflect their competence - and we will just go one and elect another "party" hack (McCain or Obama, no difference) and get more of the same BS that is ruining this country!
This election has turned out to be a joke!
Where is Ron Paul!
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» Ron Paul was pushed out much the same way Kucinich was.
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Posted by: Drume on Oct 7, 2008 4:46 AM
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Glenn, in a re-hash of what was on his blog, points out that the conservative pundits spin this as folksy.
But deep down Republicans would be dancing if she killed them with articulateness. They are really dying inside that she is so clod-hopperish when it comes to the English language.
And with all the realer news, who really cares about Sarah Palin and Joe Biden? I can barely care about McCain and Obama, who have practically identical views on how to solve the financial problems.
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Posted by: roncypert on Oct 7, 2008 6:04 AM
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For anyone to say that this financial 'crisis' caught them by surprise, they were not paying attention. Given that our elected representatives have access to much more information than do we, then they are either lying or willfully ignorant.
I was never a fan of "The Carpenters", but they did a Paul Williams, the title of wich keeps creeping into my mind: "We've Only Just Begun".
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Posted by: QCao009 on Oct 7, 2008 6:11 AM
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We can say it's the politicians. The root cause is however an education system which has dumbed us all down, put a blanket of conformity over all our institutions and most of all sunk us into an abyss of depression and paralysis which we no longer understand.
This is the single reason we cannot have McCain/Palin. Their election will usher in the end of the United States after eight years of Bush/Cheney. It's one thing to say you believe in the end of days. It's another to be the cause of your country's destruction.
That is not Country First !!!
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Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 7, 2008 6:29 AM
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Oct 7, 2008 7:29 AM
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Oh yeah?
Of course the American people are not monolithic but I am here to tell you, as a lifelong resident of middle America, that plenty of Americans are indeed that dumb, even dumber!
As an example...Yesterday I noticed that my good buddy Ann Coulter was back on the tube, insisting that all this financial mess was the Dems fault and their damn pursuit of social justice. By golly, if those namby pamby liberals hadn't insisted that black people be allowed to purchase houses then none of this would have happened.
Ann was darn insistent and quite confident that this was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Do you know how many people fall for that crap? Plenty. All us brilliant and well-informed commenters here at alternet might not buy it, but Joe Six Pack does! (Do you think skinny Ann gives them the same intense hard on as Sarah?)
This is how right wingers have held onto power for so long. They pander to the idiots, convince them that they are saviors and the other side is demonic. The idiots buy it and, while not the entire population, they are a big enough group to tip the balance.
This is a group of people who could read a David Brooks column without truly understanding a single word of it. Come on, they think professional wrestling is real!
So there you have it boys and girls. The world according to Granny!
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!
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Posted by: websmith on Oct 7, 2008 8:08 AM
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Regardless, the national debt has climbed from zero to what ever it is this minute through so called Democratic and so called Republican administrations since Kennedy was shot.
When you borrow, spend, and give away $10 trillion, you tend to have an economic problem. When the population is coerced into borrowing and spending trillions more, you tend to have a disaster.
If we're going to have a panic now, we need to panic away from the two party mindset. Anything would be better.
http://ewebsmith.com/finance/CPResponse.html
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 7, 2008 8:56 AM
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The David Brooks Syndrome like the Karl Rove Syndrome is the culmination of dumbing down and over consumerism in action! It is not so much a symptom - more like a cancer that needs to be removed from the body politic! Ideology used destructively is terrorism - whether that be terrorists from another country or domestic!
Debates are supposed to be about issues, as McShame cannot stand on any issue - he and Paleface have to make it about character assassination! Of course Paleface has no qualifications - Barack Obama graduated from Harvad (Magna Cum Laude), was the editor of the law review, and has an understanding of International Affairs - qualities that are sorely lacking from the other side! Should anyone think that - outside of a donation for another Library to Harvard, an idiot can graduate from Harvard, please think again!
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Posted by: Animal on Oct 7, 2008 11:43 AM
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Posted by: ellie on Oct 7, 2008 1:29 PM
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Bernanke is behaving like a department chair who's under attack by his faculty... nothing like a good old faculty senate meeting for a great fight, chest beating, and grand-standing... seems like the good old days eh Benny???
nothing like living in interesting times... greed seems to be unraveling globally...
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Posted by: DaBear on Oct 7, 2008 2:10 PM
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BUt the reality is, corporations have ruled for far longer than the 2000 on the chart and it really doesn't matter which party was "in power" when. The owning class and their commercial enterprises have fucked every one and themselves for the better portion of a century. And now the shithouse is totally outta paper and we've all got a real mess on our hands.
And the ideas for solutions lying around on the ground are many but the "choices" will remain few... why? Because the owning class is fucked and stoopid and so are their middling sycophants.
Behind ever rich person is a crime. Free yourself best you can. Pick up a rock, it's all you may have left. tee hee....
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Posted by: Garvagh on Oct 7, 2008 4:49 PM
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What a stooge of the Israeli militarists and Aipac!
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Posted by: rwcbanzai on Oct 9, 2008 1:32 AM
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“It’s a no brainer… FAMILY 1ST , - then the nation, I‘m talking from first hand experience!“. My big brother made perfectly clear on our way home after watching Religuous & Eagle Eye.
On the other hand, is Eagle Eye, a movie about an evil eye (computer) out to blow up our congressional House with a “crystal bomb” that can only be activated by a sweetart (kid with trumpet) hitting the right shrill note. Without giving the PLOT (F.I.S.A. - Freedom of Information Surveillance Act} ) of the movies away, I will return to my down to earth big brother who is more concerned about smelling the blossoms along the way, than seeing where they came from.
Wow what a family intervention, that constant angry/evil left blinking eye and that contentious tone of hate for his opponent from the presidential debate as I tuned in, and turned on to what was being said as I got home - mixed with those emotional movies of the reality of our present circumstances that we are currently buried in - deciding on what political party to choose for a secure economic/political future. I made my decision after watching that “pit bull with lipstick” gold digging to become the first female prez after Mc’Pain goes to the promised land from the CANCER of HATE now consuming him.
This guy, who was never my LEGISLATIVE friend, wants his pension and title in our history knowing full well he won’t outlive the next four years all the while leaving us with his vengeful poison pill, that cheerleading sweetart for oil. I guess he thinks its FUNNY as did “that” other eight year BUSHwacker who selected Darth Cheney (always ready - shotgun in his bunker manipulator) as a toxic afterthought (like another never ending war).
However, McPain really got my attention when he said “that one” it reminded me of the GoOP code word/language for “dem” (“civil right” democratic troublemakers) and that condescending tone directed at someone fully capable but despised due to less seniority (Drucker‘s “Peter Principle“) and color .
Yes, we & McPain have something in common, only in that we watched that old 70’s sitcom “That Girl”, of an aspiring ditsy actress making altruistic waves in youthful exuberance for a funnier brighter future! I would vote for my older brother or her before I would vote for more pain/gold digging and luckily I have a better choice with an educated half white man! Something we don’t really know about Barack!
Yes, a white man - half African. I was made in the US Army and born in a military base called Camp Zama with a white dad from Indiana and an Asian mother from Japan. I’m white with Asian overtones - an American/Japanese. Just as he sounds white with African overtones - White/African! This is the 21st Century where we can communicate on that black box that can store info forever, transported over the wire at the speed of light in our World Wide MONITORED Web with no reference to race or cute looks (N.S.A. - WINK that evil eye)!
Last of all , this takes me to our gutsy gay mistress Cher and her song “Half Breed” and that never ending struggle to justify pedigree or social status. Just ponder when you mix two sub species and you get a Hybrid and what these breeds can do for your gas mileage! Don’t mix your personal prejudicial preferences with your projecting hateful discrimination - this is AMERICA, the land of the free -
for truth, justice & the American Way (Superman another extraterrestrial hybrid! ). Let’s now go to Cheryl Crow and her song “Change will do ya good”). Is there a happy tone to our future bleakness (singing that eight year old - Same old Gobbledygoop terrorizing song?) or can we really enjoy the fresh oncoming change/smell of happiness blooming?
Just ask my big brother, he always knows what it‘s like - before I do!
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Posted by: GrannyBgood on Oct 9, 2008 6:52 AM
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"Whoever would preserve my rights and freedoms...you know who that is?"
"That would be Obama and the Democrats", I said.
"No, he said they just want to take my guns away"
I told him both candidates were for the right to bear arms, but the Dems were also better for safeguarding our other basic constitutional rights. He said the last time we had a Democratic president that did anything for him was Kennedy. Now get this: This guy, ironically named Bobo, says he's a black man (is probably one of the few black folks in the county up here in Maine!) but he thinks Obama is too green. I pointed out that McCain has been in Congress 26 years and hasn't learned a thing , including from his Viet Nam experience.
I told him I marched against that war back then and for civil rights, and I just think Obama is the better man and McSAME is just stale white bread, but the guy still wants to vote on the misconceived gun issue. I told him if McSAME wins, he'll come get his guns, but he'll be in a tank!
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Posted by: GrannyBgood on Oct 9, 2008 7:22 AM
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"The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. … Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first day and a couple of thousand on the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no."
If this is true and Rep. Sherman is not delusional, I ask you to consider that if they are willing to threaten martial law now, it is foolish to assume they will never use that threat again. It is also foolish to trust in an orderly election process to resolve this threat. And why deploy the First Brigade? One thing the deployment accomplishes is to put teeth into such a threat.
I interviewed Vietnam veteran, retired U.S. Air Force Colonel and patriot David Antoon for clarification:
"If the President directed the First Brigade to arrest Congress, what could stop him?"
"Nothing. Their only recourse is to cut off funding. The Congress would be at the mercy of military leaders to go to them and ask them not to obey illegal orders."
"But these orders are now legal?'"
"Correct."
"If the President directs the First Brigade to arrest a bunch of voters, what would stop him?"
"Nothing. It would end up in courts but the action would have been taken."
"If the President directs the First Brigade to kill civilians, what would stop him?"
"Nothing."
"What would prevent him from sending the First Brigade to arrest the editor of theWashington Post?"
"Nothing. He could do what he did in Iraq -- send a tank down a street in Washington and fire a shell into the Washington Post as they did into Al Jazeera, and claim they were firing at something else."
"What happens to members of the First Brigade who refuse to take up arms against U.S. citizens?"
"They'd probably be treated as deserters as in Iraq: arrested, detained and facing five years in prison. In Iraq a study by Ann Wright shows that deserters -- reservists who refused to go back to Iraq -- got longer sentences than war criminals."
"Does Congress have any military of their own?"
"No. Congress has no direct control of any military units. The Governors have the National Guard but they report to the President in an emergency that he declares."
"Who can arrest the President?"
"The Attorney General can arrest the President after he leaves or after impeachment."
[Note: Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi has asserted it is possible for District Attorneys around the country to charge President Bush with murder if they represent districts where one or more military members who have been killed in Iraq formerly resided.]
"Given the danger do you advocate impeachment?"
"Yes. President Bush struck down Posse Comitatus -- which has prevented, with a penalty of two years in prison, U.S. leaders since after the Civil War from sending military forces into our streets -- with a 'signing statement.' He should be impeached immediately in a bipartisan process to prevent the use of military forces and mercenary forces against U.S. citizens"
"Should Americans call on senior leaders in the Military to break publicly with this action and call on their own men and women to disobey these orders?"
"Every senior military officer's loyalty should ultimately be to the Constitution. Every officer should publicly break with any illegal order, even from the President."
"But if these are now legal. If they say, 'Don't obey the Commander in Chief,' what happens to the military?"
"Perhaps they would be arrested and prosecuted as those who refuse to participate in the current illegal war. That's what would be considered a coup."
"But it's a coup already."
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I say the congress(Democrat controlled, of course) should pass a law banning opposing parties. Does that suit you?
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Oct 7, 2008 2:55 AM
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It has been the political awakening of the Christian right that has led to these disasters. The same people are now flocking to Sarah Palin.
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Seriously, did you ever get the feeling that you were living within the pages of a brilliant, dark comic masterpiece?
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Posted by: feduphoosier on Oct 7, 2008 4:13 AM
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I liked Clinton until after his administration. I admit that I wasn't watching closely until Katrina; Katrina blew my eyes open wide, and suddenly I started seeing Clinton in hindsight, and I realized that he was actually the beginning. He facilitated the deregulation of the corporate media, and ushered in the WTO. No wonder he was golfing with George Sr. seemingly days after the ugly GOP partisan attacks. He wasn't really a Democrat; he was one of these corporate body-snatchers.
It finally dawned on me that the corporations are now pulling everyone's strings; have really taken over both parties. They may prefer Republicans - much more extreme and excessive with their corporate pandering and deregulation - but they're equal opportunity employers (see Reid and Pelosi, her lost impeachment table, and this entire Wall Street bailout. There were plenty of opportunities to include help for home owners, but Nancy and Harry wasn't worried about us -- just their lobbyists.)
I am now firmly entrenched in the land of the Independent; and while I do plan to vote for Obama, it is in the hope that he can transcend the recent behavior of his party and become a real leader. Both political parties have lost their way and left their former platforms (as well as their voting constituents, the people) in the dust.
Republicans in Indiana are as turned off by Neocons as many Democrats are disgusted by the corporate pandering of Democrats in congress. We are increasingly leaving the wreckage of our parties and forming a tentative alliance here in Independent-land.
If we do manage to get Obama elected (and I expect massive voter fraud so I hardly dare hope...) he had better deliver on his promises to put people over lobbyists. Voters will hold him to that. If not... watch for the rise of a third party. I think Americans have absolutely had it.
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Posted by: Karl.Ben on Oct 7, 2008 4:38 AM
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Barney Franks sexual affair with a top executive of Fanny Mae at a time he was opposing tighter regulations of them!
Dodd taking special deals from country wide! what exactly went on there.
McCain and others, including Bush, warning of this impending failure and yet, nothing is done. Bush sat back, McCain didn't push and Pelosi puts the incompetent Dodd and Franks in committee chairmenships.
Bush and the democrat congress have approval ratings that reflect their competence - and we will just go one and elect another "party" hack (McCain or Obama, no difference) and get more of the same BS that is ruining this country!
This election has turned out to be a joke!
Where is Ron Paul!
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Posted by: Drume on Oct 7, 2008 4:46 AM
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Glenn, in a re-hash of what was on his blog, points out that the conservative pundits spin this as folksy.
But deep down Republicans would be dancing if she killed them with articulateness. They are really dying inside that she is so clod-hopperish when it comes to the English language.
And with all the realer news, who really cares about Sarah Palin and Joe Biden? I can barely care about McCain and Obama, who have practically identical views on how to solve the financial problems.
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Posted by: roncypert on Oct 7, 2008 6:04 AM
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For anyone to say that this financial 'crisis' caught them by surprise, they were not paying attention. Given that our elected representatives have access to much more information than do we, then they are either lying or willfully ignorant.
I was never a fan of "The Carpenters", but they did a Paul Williams, the title of wich keeps creeping into my mind: "We've Only Just Begun".
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Posted by: QCao009 on Oct 7, 2008 6:11 AM
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We can say it's the politicians. The root cause is however an education system which has dumbed us all down, put a blanket of conformity over all our institutions and most of all sunk us into an abyss of depression and paralysis which we no longer understand.
This is the single reason we cannot have McCain/Palin. Their election will usher in the end of the United States after eight years of Bush/Cheney. It's one thing to say you believe in the end of days. It's another to be the cause of your country's destruction.
That is not Country First !!!
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Oct 7, 2008 7:29 AM
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Oh yeah?
Of course the American people are not monolithic but I am here to tell you, as a lifelong resident of middle America, that plenty of Americans are indeed that dumb, even dumber!
As an example...Yesterday I noticed that my good buddy Ann Coulter was back on the tube, insisting that all this financial mess was the Dems fault and their damn pursuit of social justice. By golly, if those namby pamby liberals hadn't insisted that black people be allowed to purchase houses then none of this would have happened.
Ann was darn insistent and quite confident that this was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Do you know how many people fall for that crap? Plenty. All us brilliant and well-informed commenters here at alternet might not buy it, but Joe Six Pack does! (Do you think skinny Ann gives them the same intense hard on as Sarah?)
This is how right wingers have held onto power for so long. They pander to the idiots, convince them that they are saviors and the other side is demonic. The idiots buy it and, while not the entire population, they are a big enough group to tip the balance.
This is a group of people who could read a David Brooks column without truly understanding a single word of it. Come on, they think professional wrestling is real!
So there you have it boys and girls. The world according to Granny!
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!
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Posted by: websmith on Oct 7, 2008 8:08 AM
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Regardless, the national debt has climbed from zero to what ever it is this minute through so called Democratic and so called Republican administrations since Kennedy was shot.
When you borrow, spend, and give away $10 trillion, you tend to have an economic problem. When the population is coerced into borrowing and spending trillions more, you tend to have a disaster.
If we're going to have a panic now, we need to panic away from the two party mindset. Anything would be better.
http://ewebsmith.com/finance/CPResponse.html
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 7, 2008 8:56 AM
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The David Brooks Syndrome like the Karl Rove Syndrome is the culmination of dumbing down and over consumerism in action! It is not so much a symptom - more like a cancer that needs to be removed from the body politic! Ideology used destructively is terrorism - whether that be terrorists from another country or domestic!
Debates are supposed to be about issues, as McShame cannot stand on any issue - he and Paleface have to make it about character assassination! Of course Paleface has no qualifications - Barack Obama graduated from Harvad (Magna Cum Laude), was the editor of the law review, and has an understanding of International Affairs - qualities that are sorely lacking from the other side! Should anyone think that - outside of a donation for another Library to Harvard, an idiot can graduate from Harvard, please think again!
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Bernanke is behaving like a department chair who's under attack by his faculty... nothing like a good old faculty senate meeting for a great fight, chest beating, and grand-standing... seems like the good old days eh Benny???
nothing like living in interesting times... greed seems to be unraveling globally...
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Posted by: DaBear on Oct 7, 2008 2:10 PM
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BUt the reality is, corporations have ruled for far longer than the 2000 on the chart and it really doesn't matter which party was "in power" when. The owning class and their commercial enterprises have fucked every one and themselves for the better portion of a century. And now the shithouse is totally outta paper and we've all got a real mess on our hands.
And the ideas for solutions lying around on the ground are many but the "choices" will remain few... why? Because the owning class is fucked and stoopid and so are their middling sycophants.
Behind ever rich person is a crime. Free yourself best you can. Pick up a rock, it's all you may have left. tee hee....
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Posted by: Garvagh on Oct 7, 2008 4:49 PM
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What a stooge of the Israeli militarists and Aipac!
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Posted by: rwcbanzai on Oct 9, 2008 1:32 AM
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“It’s a no brainer… FAMILY 1ST , - then the nation, I‘m talking from first hand experience!“. My big brother made perfectly clear on our way home after watching Religuous & Eagle Eye.
On the other hand, is Eagle Eye, a movie about an evil eye (computer) out to blow up our congressional House with a “crystal bomb” that can only be activated by a sweetart (kid with trumpet) hitting the right shrill note. Without giving the PLOT (F.I.S.A. - Freedom of Information Surveillance Act} ) of the movies away, I will return to my down to earth big brother who is more concerned about smelling the blossoms along the way, than seeing where they came from.
Wow what a family intervention, that constant angry/evil left blinking eye and that contentious tone of hate for his opponent from the presidential debate as I tuned in, and turned on to what was being said as I got home - mixed with those emotional movies of the reality of our present circumstances that we are currently buried in - deciding on what political party to choose for a secure economic/political future. I made my decision after watching that “pit bull with lipstick” gold digging to become the first female prez after Mc’Pain goes to the promised land from the CANCER of HATE now consuming him.
This guy, who was never my LEGISLATIVE friend, wants his pension and title in our history knowing full well he won’t outlive the next four years all the while leaving us with his vengeful poison pill, that cheerleading sweetart for oil. I guess he thinks its FUNNY as did “that” other eight year BUSHwacker who selected Darth Cheney (always ready - shotgun in his bunker manipulator) as a toxic afterthought (like another never ending war).
However, McPain really got my attention when he said “that one” it reminded me of the GoOP code word/language for “dem” (“civil right” democratic troublemakers) and that condescending tone directed at someone fully capable but despised due to less seniority (Drucker‘s “Peter Principle“) and color .
Yes, we & McPain have something in common, only in that we watched that old 70’s sitcom “That Girl”, of an aspiring ditsy actress making altruistic waves in youthful exuberance for a funnier brighter future! I would vote for my older brother or her before I would vote for more pain/gold digging and luckily I have a better choice with an educated half white man! Something we don’t really know about Barack!
Yes, a white man - half African. I was made in the US Army and born in a military base called Camp Zama with a white dad from Indiana and an Asian mother from Japan. I’m white with Asian overtones - an American/Japanese. Just as he sounds white with African overtones - White/African! This is the 21st Century where we can communicate on that black box that can store info forever, transported over the wire at the speed of light in our World Wide MONITORED Web with no reference to race or cute looks (N.S.A. - WINK that evil eye)!
Last of all , this takes me to our gutsy gay mistress Cher and her song “Half Breed” and that never ending struggle to justify pedigree or social status. Just ponder when you mix two sub species and you get a Hybrid and what these breeds can do for your gas mileage! Don’t mix your personal prejudicial preferences with your projecting hateful discrimination - this is AMERICA, the land of the free -
for truth, justice & the American Way (Superman another extraterrestrial hybrid! ). Let’s now go to Cheryl Crow and her song “Change will do ya good”). Is there a happy tone to our future bleakness (singing that eight year old - Same old Gobbledygoop terrorizing song?) or can we really enjoy the fresh oncoming change/smell of happiness blooming?
Just ask my big brother, he always knows what it‘s like - before I do!
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Posted by: GrannyBgood on Oct 9, 2008 6:52 AM
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"Whoever would preserve my rights and freedoms...you know who that is?"
"That would be Obama and the Democrats", I said.
"No, he said they just want to take my guns away"
I told him both candidates were for the right to bear arms, but the Dems were also better for safeguarding our other basic constitutional rights. He said the last time we had a Democratic president that did anything for him was Kennedy. Now get this: This guy, ironically named Bobo, says he's a black man (is probably one of the few black folks in the county up here in Maine!) but he thinks Obama is too green. I pointed out that McCain has been in Congress 26 years and hasn't learned a thing , including from his Viet Nam experience.
I told him I marched against that war back then and for civil rights, and I just think Obama is the better man and McSAME is just stale white bread, but the guy still wants to vote on the misconceived gun issue. I told him if McSAME wins, he'll come get his guns, but he'll be in a tank!
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Posted by: GrannyBgood on Oct 9, 2008 7:22 AM
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"The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. … Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first day and a couple of thousand on the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no."
If this is true and Rep. Sherman is not delusional, I ask you to consider that if they are willing to threaten martial law now, it is foolish to assume they will never use that threat again. It is also foolish to trust in an orderly election process to resolve this threat. And why deploy the First Brigade? One thing the deployment accomplishes is to put teeth into such a threat.
I interviewed Vietnam veteran, retired U.S. Air Force Colonel and patriot David Antoon for clarification:
"If the President directed the First Brigade to arrest Congress, what could stop him?"
"Nothing. Their only recourse is to cut off funding. The Congress would be at the mercy of military leaders to go to them and ask them not to obey illegal orders."
"But these orders are now legal?'"
"Correct."
"If the President directs the First Brigade to arrest a bunch of voters, what would stop him?"
"Nothing. It would end up in courts but the action would have been taken."
"If the President directs the First Brigade to kill civilians, what would stop him?"
"Nothing."
"What would prevent him from sending the First Brigade to arrest the editor of theWashington Post?"
"Nothing. He could do what he did in Iraq -- send a tank down a street in Washington and fire a shell into the Washington Post as they did into Al Jazeera, and claim they were firing at something else."
"What happens to members of the First Brigade who refuse to take up arms against U.S. citizens?"
"They'd probably be treated as deserters as in Iraq: arrested, detained and facing five years in prison. In Iraq a study by Ann Wright shows that deserters -- reservists who refused to go back to Iraq -- got longer sentences than war criminals."
"Does Congress have any military of their own?"
"No. Congress has no direct control of any military units. The Governors have the National Guard but they report to the President in an emergency that he declares."
"Who can arrest the President?"
"The Attorney General can arrest the President after he leaves or after impeachment."
[Note: Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi has asserted it is possible for District Attorneys around the country to charge President Bush with murder if they represent districts where one or more military members who have been killed in Iraq formerly resided.]
"Given the danger do you advocate impeachment?"
"Yes. President Bush struck down Posse Comitatus -- which has prevented, with a penalty of two years in prison, U.S. leaders since after the Civil War from sending military forces into our streets -- with a 'signing statement.' He should be impeached immediately in a bipartisan process to prevent the use of military forces and mercenary forces against U.S. citizens"
"Should Americans call on senior leaders in the Military to break publicly with this action and call on their own men and women to disobey these orders?"
"Every senior military officer's loyalty should ultimately be to the Constitution. Every officer should publicly break with any illegal order, even from the President."
"But if these are now legal. If they say, 'Don't obey the Commander in Chief,' what happens to the military?"
"Perhaps they would be arrested and prosecuted as those who refuse to participate in the current illegal war. That's what would be considered a coup."
"But it's a coup already."
"Yes.
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