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The Palin Payoff: How Sarah Brings in the Christian Cash
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Until John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate, Obama attack ops -- whether political action committees or their 501(c)4 partners -- were struggling mightily to raise the kind of cash that fueled the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth smear machine in 2004. More than $45 million poured into that effort to sink John Kerry's campaign, mainly from the pockets of wealthy Bush backers. A review of Federal Election Commission (FEC) campaign donations back in June of this year showed that the big Swift Boat donors -- such as Ohio investor Carl H. Lindner and family, Dallas pharmacy magnate Harold C. Simmons, Texas homebuilder Bob Perry and oilman T. Boone Pickens -- were putting their money elsewhere, either pouring it directly into the McCain campaign or sending it off to Republican Congressional races, the Republican Governors Association or Newt Gingrich's PAC, American Solutions. But all that changed when the evangelical pro-life Alaska governor stepped up to the podium in Minneapolis to accept the Republican nomination for vice-president. Overnight the culture warriors, who'd been grumbling about McCain from the sidelines, were back in play. The Council for National Policy, one of the Christian right's most secretive strategy bodies, immediately endorsed the "values"-enhanced McCain ticket, triggering a $10 million infusion of campaign donations from evangelicals and their associates on the hard right. In this volatile race for the White House, they may yet make the difference. Call it the Palin Payoff.
In 2004 white evangelicals went for Bush over Kerry by a 57 percent margin -- 78 to 21. Among non-Hispanic Catholics, Bush beat Kerry 56 to 43. Together the white evangelicals and non-Hispanic Catholics accounted for 44 percent of all voters in that election. A September poll by Pew Research shows that McCain, once despised by the Christian right, was now -- post-Palin -- climbing toward Bush's extraordinary numbers. On August 13 McCain already held a wide margin over Obama among white evangelicals -- 68 to 24. When Palin, a diehard abortion foe, came on board those numbers jumped to 71 for McCain and dropped to 21 for Obama. In August non-Hispanic Catholic voters were deadlocked between the two candidates with McCain and Obama each at 44 points. After Labor Day and the addition of Palin, McCain opened a 7 percent lead over Obama among these Catholics -- 48 to 41. All that happened before the Christian right came off the sidelines and onto the playing field with an anti-Obama political action offensive powered by an infusion of millions of dollars. With this revitalized social conservative machine behind them, McCain and Palin now have an opening to gain ground in such crucial battleground states as Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Minnesota, New Mexico, Colorado and Wisconsin.
On September 15 Born Alive Truth, a 527 out of Mokena, Illinois, launched a $338,000 TV ad blitz in Ohio and New Mexico tarring Obama as a supporter of infanticide. The 30-second ad featured a Nashville abortion survivor, Gianna Jessen. Born Alive Truth is fronted by former nurse and Christian right player Jill Stanek. Stanek, a one-time operator with Concerned Women for America, advocates against "partial birth" abortion and fought access to Plan B, the emergency contraception pill, by saying it would become a tool of "rapists and male sexual predators." Now a columnist for the ultra-right website WorldNetDaily. Stanek is known for repeating bogus claims that the Chinese dine on human fetuses and that Terri Schiavo was fully cognizant at the time her feeding tube was removed. In one classic column, Stanek equated Parkinson's victim Michael J. Fox with Hitler for his support of embryonic stem-cell research:
He supports human embryonic stem-cell experimentation, thus contending that some humans are subhuman and expendable for others' personal gain. We know there is nothing new under the sun. So Fox's character flaw is not new, just a variation of the worst of human behavior throughout history. Slaveholders thought those whose lives and deaths they controlled were "property," as the U.S. Supreme Court determined in the 1857 Dred Scott decision. Hitler thought Jews were evolutionary mistakes. The Islamic government of Sudan currently has it in for black Christians. Different day, different holocaust ... The future Fox wants to create for his three daughters looks bleak. No longer will only hens lay eggs for human consumption if Fox has his way. His daughters will be exploited for their eggs, too.Catholic multimillionaire Raymond Ruddy, one of Mitt Romney's significant backers from Massachusetts, likes to keep a low-profile -- as John Malloy, the secretary for the charity Ruddy founded, told this reporter, "Ray's the man, but we like to keep him under the radar." But Ruddy single-handedly underwrote the TV ad campaign. Ruddy sits on the board of Maximus, the giant government services provider in Reston, Virginia, that pioneered welfare privatization and then grew fat from the Bush Administration contracts.
Back in 2004, Ruddy pushed the Christian right grantees of his charity, the Gerard Health Foundation, to mobilize the evangelical vote for Bush. Ruddy hired the Family Research Council's Chuck Donovan to put the word out through anti-abortion newsletters that he'd provide grants to conservative groups to develop ambitious voter registration drives. Ruddy also pumped nearly $400,000 into Dobson's Focus on the Family Action anti-gay marriage campaigns that tipped voting patterns in several states and nearly $120,000 into the anti-abortion Your Catholic Vote, which mounted a hardball anti-Kerry campaign attacking the senator from Massachusetts in newspaper ads that ran across the country. For the 2006 midterms, Ruddy and Swift Boat Veterans financier Carl Lindner joined forces to kick in $847,000 to Common Sense Ohio, a 527 that ran push polls and deceptive ad campaigns against Democrats in seven states. The recipients of these robocalls were asked such misleading questions as "Would you support medical experiments on unborn babies?" and "Do you believe that foreign terrorists should have the same legal rights and privileges as American citizens?"
Many of the new attack ads, push polls and Internet email and blog virals on Obama out of this reborn "values voter" network confine themselves to the touchstone issue of abortion -- but other strategies have emerged as well.
On August 21, the American Issues Project, a 501(c)4, sprang a TV ad on viewers in Ohio and Michigan that hammered Obama for his ties to former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers. The ad featured 9/11 footage mixed with documentary clips from the Weather Underground's bombing campaign back in the 1970s as a narrator gravely wonders: "Why would Barack Obama be friends with someone who bombed the Capitol and is proud of it? Do you know enough to elect Barack Obama?"
These ads were funded by Dallas Swift Boat sugar daddy Harold Simmons to the tune of $2.8 million. The American Issues Project is run out of a mail drop in Tampa, Florida, by its two politically connected executive directors -- Ed Martin, Jr., an ardent anti-abortion attorney in St. Louis who has served as counsel for Americans United for Life and chief-of-staff for Missouri's Republican governor, Matt Blunt, and Ed Failor, Jr., who was a consultant to McCain's campaign in Iowa in 2007 and Bush/Cheney field director in 2004. Governor Blunt pressured Martin to resign in 2007 after it was discovered that the latter had used his state e-mail account to send information to his anti-abortion cronies, in an attempt to get them behind the removal of the Missouri attorney general from a lawsuit that would have restricted enforcement of a new anti-abortion law. Even after he was caught, Martin refused to hand over the emails and then scrubbed them from his computer.
Longtime Kansas Republican political operative Richard "Rich" Nadler runs the America Majority PAC, which is funded through the America Majority Foundation, a 501(c)3 also in the hands of Nadler, author of such tracts as Feticide and the Birth Cycle in Me'am Lo'ez and Abortion: The Hijacking of a Tradition. America Majority is best known for a series of notorious race-based attacks on Democrats in the 2006 midterms. One ad targeting African-American voters that ran in a dozen Congressional districts featured two black men exchanging the following dialogue:
"If you make a little mistake with one of your 'hos, you'll want to dispose of that problem tout de suite, no questions asked."
"That's too cold. I don't snuff my own seed," says the other.
"Maybe you do have a reason to vote Republican," the first replies.
Another nifty piece of Nadler's 2006 handiwork geared toward black voters linked a trip to Syria made by former KKK Grand Dragon David Duke to Democratic opposition to the Iraq War. "I can understand why a Ku Klux Klan cracker like David Duke makes nice with the terrorists," a black male voice intones. "What I want to know is why so many of the Democrat politicians I helped elect are on the same side of the Iraq War as David Duke."In this election Nadler's PAC is targeting Latinos with anti-Obama radio and TV ads on Spanish-languages stations in California, Colorado, Wisconsin, Illinois, Oregon and Utah.
Another emerging player is the California-based Our Country Deserves Better PAC. In an early September interview, PAC coordinator Joe Wierzbicki said the PAC plans to "raise in excess of $1 million by Election Day" to run a series of anti-Obama television ads in as many as ten states.
Our Country Deserves Better is a project of Russo, Marsh and Associates, a longtime California-based GOP public relations firm. The PAC has prepared at least eight television spots attacking Obama, three of which, covering the gamut of anti-Obama smears -- "Obama Mocks America's Christian Heritage," "Obama's Patriotism Problem" and "Obama's Wrong Values" -- were unveiled in an August fundraising pitch on a Townhall.com email newsletter just two days after McCain made the Palin announcement, "Barack Obama Sinks to a New Low!" By September, Our Country Deserves Better spokesperson Lloyd Marcus had retooled the old Hall & Oates' hit "Sara Smile" for the Alaska governor and fired it off onto YouTube as a video.
The anti-Obama ad that focuses on America's "Christian heritage" shows the candidate saying, during a June 28, 2006 speech, that, "whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation." The attack stirred up controversy among Democrats -- controversy that Wierzbicki, the PAC coordinator, took pains to explain away. "Obama's vulnerability with faith-based voters will not be because of our advertising," Wierzbicki said, "but because of Senator Obama's own words and actions."
Technically, that is true. But the full quote from Obama reads: "Given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; at least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."
It hasn't been all smooth sailing for these revived Swift Boaters. The Real Truth About Obama, Inc., a 527 formed in July by veteran anti-abortion attorneys James Bopp and Barry Bostrom, went after Obama with a pair of outrageous ads attacking the Illinois Senator on his abortion stance. The ads asserted that Obama would make taxpayers pay for all abortions, keep minors' abortions a secret from their parents and make "partial birth" abortions legal, and Real Truth sought to have the ads placed on Rush Limbaugh's and Sean Hannity's radio shows in September. When objections were raised by the Obama camp and PAC watchdogs, Bopp filed for an injunction against FEC spending and disclosure rules that prohibit 527s advocating against a candidate -- rules created in the wake of the Swift Boat Veterans actions in 2004. But a federal judge in Virginia ruled against Real Truth, upholding the FEC regulations, and the radio spots have yet to air.
That may be a minor setback for these forces, though.
In the Age of Palin, the traditional Christian right political powerhouses -- Focus on the Family and its affiliated Family Research Council Action -- are back in the game as well. As recently as February, Focus on the Family's James Dobson was threatening to sit out the November elections if McCain became the candidate, issuing a statement that said, "I am convinced Sen. McCain is not a conservative and, in fact, has gone out of his way to stick his thumb in the eyes of those who are. He has at times sounded more like a member of the other party." But then along came Sarah, and in the first two weeks of September Dobson's political action arm -- Focus on the Family Action -- dumped $104,000 on radio spots and mailings taking on Obama and endorsing McCain. The political action arm of the Family Research Council also held off until Palin entered the picture, registering with the FEC in support of McCain just a week after the Republican convention.
And if any questions remain about how galvanized the Christian right GOP base is these days, that pit bull of culture warriors, Pat Buchanan, put paid to that the day after Palin's performance in Minneapolis. "The American Right has just died and gone to heaven," Buchanan crowed in the lede of his September 5 column, following up on a Palin rhapsody from two days before in which he wrote, "should this ticket win, Palin will eclipse every other Republican as heir apparent to the presidency and will have her own power base among Lifers, Evangelicals, gun folks and conservatives -- wholly independent of President McCain ... Palin has become, overnight, the most priceless political asset the movement has."
Well, given the millions flowing into the religious right machine in the days since her arrival on the scene, not exactly priceless. The Swift Boaters and the Christian right knew Palin's price tag was high -- and they're proving themselves ready to pay up.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 1, 2008 2:47 PM
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Posted by: Direct Democracy on Oct 1, 2008 8:19 PM
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/
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Palin's Russian Remark Draws Scrutiny
By MARTHA MENDOZA
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(Oct. 1) - Gov. Sarah Palin cites vigilance against Russian warplanes coming into U.S. airspace over Alaska as one of her foreign policy credentials. But the U.S. military command in charge says that hasn't happened in her 21 months in office.
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» Are REAL Christians meant to be rich anyway?
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» Camel, needle, rich men ... Ah! Here it is! Verbatim (well, almost)
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 2, 2008 4:03 AM
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Either case, the Academy grad is also unqualified to be president.
Do America a favor, Old Man McCain. Resign from the race, return to your ranch in Sedona and take Stupid Sarah with you while there's still time for the GOP to pick two more candidates.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Oct 2, 2008 4:17 AM
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Lord willing, of course.
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Another Reptilian Dummy Company
The Reptilians will pump money into anything that evades TAXES and spews vicious vile
Propaganda.
The Faux-tian way out:
Destroy the World
They Go to Heaven and everyone else gets Funked.
I guess they finally get laid?
As long as the world is falling apart around them
Their Happier then a Pig in Sh-t!
That is their Salvation.
Ignorant, Poor and Duped leaves little to be desired.
The Borg Bow Down to the Military-Media-Banker Complex’s WAR God:
Armageddon
They will finally get their just deserts
A Pie in the Eye!
Is that the best we can do?
What did the Lamb teach?
He led by example.
He healed the sick,
He fed the Hungry,
He kicked the Money Changers out of the Temple!
And was Crucified for it
Read The Sermon on the Mount,
Be Christ like,
Protect the Garden,
Tend the Sheep,
See the Light
Be here NOW!
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 2, 2008 4:33 AM
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Even if the actual electronic voting machines are not hacked or infected with a virus, transmission of the voting results from each precinct to the central tabulator is done in the same way that cash registers communicate with credit card companies. Most of us know how these transmissions are hacked every day by what is called the "man in the middle" method.
Just listen to this expert talk about how you sure last two elections were hacked and this one will also be hacked.
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Posted by: Jbuuty on Oct 2, 2008 5:47 AM
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Honesty and integrity are values - very strong ones for me. The Left can use the fact that McCain and Palin lack honesty and integrity to neutralize their appeal among Christian voters.
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Oct 2, 2008 7:30 AM
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Collecting cash from Christians to publish lies?
Paying to bear false witness !!
How Christian !!
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Posted by: sallyride on Oct 2, 2008 8:06 AM
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Is no one checking these people out? The same would go for Obama, and Biden - our nation must have laws and frankly, when there appears to be something systemically amiss with a candidate, in this nation of serious chemical abuse (look at who's living at 1600 Penn Ave), knowing it permanently affects the thinking process, we should be far more objective, pro-America, and get off our butts; stop screaming "Jesus wants this."
Come on, America. Grow up.
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In her essay "Life and Peace," for example, Juli Loesch describes her attendance at a Holly Near concert to benefit a local antinuclear group. She encounters literature tables for Native American folkways, Save the Whales, Ban the Bomb. Peace. Humanity. Abortion.
"ABORTION?" she writes. "It was as if I’d been handed a flowered note that contained a death threat. My hands went cold. I went back to my seat, my heart clogged. The irony was that I’d come to oppose abortion as a direct result of my own antinuclear activism."
Loesch writes that when she spoke out against abortion at an antinuclear gathering, she:
"...tried to present a meticulous secular case against abortion. I marshalled all the scientific evidence...I followed it up with the most basic principle found in every human ethical system...do not do to others what you would not like done to you.
"This was rewarded by a brief silence, which was broken by a single question:
‘Are you a Catholic?’
‘Am I a Catholic? That has nothing to do with...’
‘So you ARE a Catholic?’
‘Yes, but...’
‘Well, then. You’re imposing your religious beliefs...’
"And, therefore, I suppose, I lose."
I made a similar point in an interview with Abolitionist-Online in Australia. To argue (as some Christians do) that animal rights and vegetarianism are solely "Jewish" concerns is kind of like saying, "It's only wrong to own a slave if you're a Quaker." No. Suffering and injustice concern us all. Animal rights and vegetarianism are moral absolutes. They apply to everyone--including atheists and agnostics.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is 1.6 million strong (larger than any pro-life group), but try and discuss animal rights and vegetarianism with Christians apart from religion (since we're not trying to "convert" them to another religion--we just want them to stop being cruel to animals) and all they can think of is the MOVE !
I encounter "Christians," who, rather than answer the simple question: "Is it ethical to do to other animals what we would never do to other human beings?", focus on issues like my religious identity, whether we worship in "churches" or "temples," whether or not we have to "work" for our salvation, etc. These have nothing to do with the issue at hand!
Absolute truths apply to everyone; only a bigot would see them as sectarian. Hitler, for example, made the mistake of thinking Albert Einstein's scientific discoveries were merely "Jewish science" and therefore not applicable to gentiles. (In this case, perhaps it's fortunate that Hitler had such a bigoted mentality, or the Nazis might have gotten the bomb before us!)
Some Christians understand this. When I pointed out to Catholic pro-lifer Jim Frey of Berkeley Pro-Life that animal rights and vegetarianism apply to everyone, including atheists and agnostics, he said, "Just like with abortion."
Again, Sarah Palin's religious identity and beliefs should be completely irrelevant in the secular, political arena. Ethics and morality exist apart from religion. Let's just focus on the issues at hand.
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» Gov. Palin is a living, breathing example of prolife feminism
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» Yes, Palin is living and breathing. Period.
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Posted by: Carol Burns on Oct 2, 2008 10:25 AM
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Yet, there are plenty of people who have deeply religious and spiritual beliefs who lean politically to the left. In fact, given the teachings of Jesus, one might reasonably expect people to be more anti-war, more egalitarian, more apt to challenge the money changers and drive them out of the temple, more for their brothers and sisters than against them. Instead, for some ungodly reason, they reject the teachings that might apply to them, and accept the message of the right-wing smear machine as gospel.
Go figure.
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» Anything any candidate will use to influence or control the American people must be examined
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» Exactly. Thank you.
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Posted by: Liam on Oct 2, 2008 3:25 PM
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Please find one idea from Jesus QUOTES (stuff not made up in the 8th and 9th Centuries) that support one thing these wing nuts say.
There are Christian Churches but this bunch ain't part of them.
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jdfu!
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Posted by: ashbaines on Oct 2, 2008 10:53 PM
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Her job.. is to boost enlistment of goy boys to fight and die for Israel's right to imprison their neighbors in concentration camps.
Charles Krauthammer and Bill Kristol are seen raising their glasses - in a toast to the new use for the knuckle dragging contingent of the GRAND OLD PARTY....
In another version... President Obama installs a Black Panther to the Justice Department - to begin investigations of who shorted all that airline stock in the weeks before the 9/11 "surprise"???
surprise! - Obama isn't nearly radical enough for this hardened old conservative. I want a hangin.
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» Geesh Maximum Pain
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» meds? aye....
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» RE: Obama should explain why Robert Rubin is his economics tutor.
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» RE: Forget about Palin and the so-called "Christian Right". Get your candidate to focus on the issues !
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» RE: Forget about Palin and the so-called "Christian Right". Get your candidate to focus on the issues !
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» You nailed it all the way. Thank you.
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Posted by: EinMD on Oct 1, 2008 7:39 PM
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Posted by: Direct Democracy on Oct 1, 2008 8:19 PM
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/
politics/election2008
/2008-10-01-palin-assets_N.htm
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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» RE: Land Deals?
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» RE: Sarah Palin - The Candidate of God
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 2, 2008 1:14 AM
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Palin's Russian Remark Draws Scrutiny
By MARTHA MENDOZA
AP
(Oct. 1) - Gov. Sarah Palin cites vigilance against Russian warplanes coming into U.S. airspace over Alaska as one of her foreign policy credentials. But the U.S. military command in charge says that hasn't happened in her 21 months in office.
Enough said about Appalling Palin (for now)
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» Palin is merely a futurist RE: LIAR, LIAR -- Palin's pants suit on fire!
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Posted by: helenahanbasquet on Oct 2, 2008 3:50 AM
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» RE: Churches that donate money to candidates and lobbyists
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» RE: Churches that donate money to candidates and lobbyists
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» Are REAL Christians meant to be rich anyway?
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» RE: Are REAL Christians meant to be rich anyway?
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» Camel, needle, rich men ... Ah! Here it is! Verbatim (well, almost)
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 2, 2008 4:03 AM
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Either case, the Academy grad is also unqualified to be president.
Do America a favor, Old Man McCain. Resign from the race, return to your ranch in Sedona and take Stupid Sarah with you while there's still time for the GOP to pick two more candidates.
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» "Cough! Splutter!"
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Posted by: Urstrly on Oct 2, 2008 4:17 AM
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Lord willing, of course.
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» RE: A review, VeggieTales - Esther, The Girl Who Became Queen
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» Ah, er, Esther was chosen by the king for SEXUAL purposes?
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Posted by: Ottomatic on Oct 2, 2008 4:30 AM
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Another Reptilian Dummy Company
The Reptilians will pump money into anything that evades TAXES and spews vicious vile
Propaganda.
The Faux-tian way out:
Destroy the World
They Go to Heaven and everyone else gets Funked.
I guess they finally get laid?
As long as the world is falling apart around them
Their Happier then a Pig in Sh-t!
That is their Salvation.
Ignorant, Poor and Duped leaves little to be desired.
The Borg Bow Down to the Military-Media-Banker Complex’s WAR God:
Armageddon
They will finally get their just deserts
A Pie in the Eye!
Is that the best we can do?
What did the Lamb teach?
He led by example.
He healed the sick,
He fed the Hungry,
He kicked the Money Changers out of the Temple!
And was Crucified for it
Read The Sermon on the Mount,
Be Christ like,
Protect the Garden,
Tend the Sheep,
See the Light
Be here NOW!
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 2, 2008 4:33 AM
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Even if the actual electronic voting machines are not hacked or infected with a virus, transmission of the voting results from each precinct to the central tabulator is done in the same way that cash registers communicate with credit card companies. Most of us know how these transmissions are hacked every day by what is called the "man in the middle" method.
Just listen to this expert talk about how you sure last two elections were hacked and this one will also be hacked.
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Posted by: Jbuuty on Oct 2, 2008 5:47 AM
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Honesty and integrity are values - very strong ones for me. The Left can use the fact that McCain and Palin lack honesty and integrity to neutralize their appeal among Christian voters.
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» RE: Value voting
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Oct 2, 2008 7:30 AM
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Collecting cash from Christians to publish lies?
Paying to bear false witness !!
How Christian !!
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Posted by: sallyride on Oct 2, 2008 8:06 AM
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Is no one checking these people out? The same would go for Obama, and Biden - our nation must have laws and frankly, when there appears to be something systemically amiss with a candidate, in this nation of serious chemical abuse (look at who's living at 1600 Penn Ave), knowing it permanently affects the thinking process, we should be far more objective, pro-America, and get off our butts; stop screaming "Jesus wants this."
Come on, America. Grow up.
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» RE: "FOCUS" ON PERCEIVED RELIGION IS BLINDING AMERICANS
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» RE: "FOCUS" ON PERCEIVED RELIGION IS BLINDING AMERICANS
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 2, 2008 8:16 AM
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In her essay "Life and Peace," for example, Juli Loesch describes her attendance at a Holly Near concert to benefit a local antinuclear group. She encounters literature tables for Native American folkways, Save the Whales, Ban the Bomb. Peace. Humanity. Abortion.
"ABORTION?" she writes. "It was as if I’d been handed a flowered note that contained a death threat. My hands went cold. I went back to my seat, my heart clogged. The irony was that I’d come to oppose abortion as a direct result of my own antinuclear activism."
Loesch writes that when she spoke out against abortion at an antinuclear gathering, she:
"...tried to present a meticulous secular case against abortion. I marshalled all the scientific evidence...I followed it up with the most basic principle found in every human ethical system...do not do to others what you would not like done to you.
"This was rewarded by a brief silence, which was broken by a single question:
‘Are you a Catholic?’
‘Am I a Catholic? That has nothing to do with...’
‘So you ARE a Catholic?’
‘Yes, but...’
‘Well, then. You’re imposing your religious beliefs...’
"And, therefore, I suppose, I lose."
I made a similar point in an interview with Abolitionist-Online in Australia. To argue (as some Christians do) that animal rights and vegetarianism are solely "Jewish" concerns is kind of like saying, "It's only wrong to own a slave if you're a Quaker." No. Suffering and injustice concern us all. Animal rights and vegetarianism are moral absolutes. They apply to everyone--including atheists and agnostics.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is 1.6 million strong (larger than any pro-life group), but try and discuss animal rights and vegetarianism with Christians apart from religion (since we're not trying to "convert" them to another religion--we just want them to stop being cruel to animals) and all they can think of is the MOVE !
I encounter "Christians," who, rather than answer the simple question: "Is it ethical to do to other animals what we would never do to other human beings?", focus on issues like my religious identity, whether we worship in "churches" or "temples," whether or not we have to "work" for our salvation, etc. These have nothing to do with the issue at hand!
Absolute truths apply to everyone; only a bigot would see them as sectarian. Hitler, for example, made the mistake of thinking Albert Einstein's scientific discoveries were merely "Jewish science" and therefore not applicable to gentiles. (In this case, perhaps it's fortunate that Hitler had such a bigoted mentality, or the Nazis might have gotten the bomb before us!)
Some Christians understand this. When I pointed out to Catholic pro-lifer Jim Frey of Berkeley Pro-Life that animal rights and vegetarianism apply to everyone, including atheists and agnostics, he said, "Just like with abortion."
Again, Sarah Palin's religious identity and beliefs should be completely irrelevant in the secular, political arena. Ethics and morality exist apart from religion. Let's just focus on the issues at hand.
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» Prolife values are not dark ages, but civilized and progressive
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» Palin does not represent feminist values nor is she exactly 'pro-life' :.?
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» Gov. Palin is a living, breathing example of prolife feminism
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» RE: Gov. Palin is a living, breathing example of prolife feminism
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» Yes, Palin is living and breathing. Period.
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» This Christian wants religion to be kept out of politics.
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» "One Nation Under GOD" - You're a little late.
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» RE: Sarah Palin's religious identity should be irrelevant
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Posted by: Carol Burns on Oct 2, 2008 10:25 AM
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Yet, there are plenty of people who have deeply religious and spiritual beliefs who lean politically to the left. In fact, given the teachings of Jesus, one might reasonably expect people to be more anti-war, more egalitarian, more apt to challenge the money changers and drive them out of the temple, more for their brothers and sisters than against them. Instead, for some ungodly reason, they reject the teachings that might apply to them, and accept the message of the right-wing smear machine as gospel.
Go figure.
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» Anything any candidate will use to influence or control the American people must be examined
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Posted by: misty2 on Oct 2, 2008 1:38 PM
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» Exactly. Thank you.
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Posted by: Liam on Oct 2, 2008 3:25 PM
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Please find one idea from Jesus QUOTES (stuff not made up in the 8th and 9th Centuries) that support one thing these wing nuts say.
There are Christian Churches but this bunch ain't part of them.
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jdfu!
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» It's true. It's in the papers this morning
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Posted by: ashbaines on Oct 2, 2008 10:53 PM
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Her job.. is to boost enlistment of goy boys to fight and die for Israel's right to imprison their neighbors in concentration camps.
Charles Krauthammer and Bill Kristol are seen raising their glasses - in a toast to the new use for the knuckle dragging contingent of the GRAND OLD PARTY....
In another version... President Obama installs a Black Panther to the Justice Department - to begin investigations of who shorted all that airline stock in the weeks before the 9/11 "surprise"???
surprise! - Obama isn't nearly radical enough for this hardened old conservative. I want a hangin.
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