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A Wall Street Bailout Wouldn't Help Anyone But Rich Investors

By Terrence McNally, AlterNet. Posted September 27, 2008.


The free market didn't work. People bought when they should have sold, and they need to get spanked. Author Thomas Frank explains why.

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According to a Sept. 19 New York Times article titled "Putting a Price Tag on a Government Bailout:"

  • The government is considering an $800 billion fund to purchase so-called failed assets.
  • It is considering a separate $400 billion pool at the FDIC to insure investors in money market funds.
  • It pledged $29 billion to help JPMorgan acquire Bear Stearns.
  • It agreed to buy as much as $200 billion of stock in Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.
  • The Federal Reserve offered an $85 billion bridge loan to AIG.
  • The Federal Reserve joined with other nations to pump $180 billion into global money markets.
  • The Treasury Department promised $50 billion to insure the holdings of money market mutual funds for a year.
  • In his new book, The Wrecking Crew, Thomas Frank writes:

    We can now say of that philosophy which regards good government as a laughable impossibility, which elevates bullies and gangsters and CEOs above other humans, which tells us to get wise and stop expecting anything good from Washington -- we can now say with finality that it has had its chance. Whenever there was a choice to be made between markets and free people -- between money and the common good -- the conservatives chose money. It's time to make them answer for it.

    Frank, founding editor of the Baffler magazine and a contributing editor at Harper's, is the Wall Street Journal's newest weekly columnist. He is also author of What's the Matter with Kansas?, The Conquest of Cool and One Market Under God.

    Terrence McNally: Your first book was about advertising; your last book was about voters and culture, and in this book you take on the Republicans and the methods of their madness over the last 30 years. What's the evolution for you personally?

    Thomas Frank: It's curious, isn't it? I wrote a Ph.D. dissertation about the advertising industry in the 1960s. And it was an interesting subject because it was about how Madison Avenue went from being so square in the '50s to being so goddamn hip and cool in the '60s, which of course they remain to this day.

    TM: Most have forgotten the organization man in the gray flannel suit.

    TF: Our whole commercial culture today is so much cooler than you or I could ever hope to be. In that book I said that coolness has become a kind of orthodoxy of the consumer society. I love coming out here to Los Angeles just to see this theory in action. It's such a shock when you come from Washington or Chicago. Coolness is a civic philosophy out here.

    I started out studying culture and coolness and hipness. I was a punk rocker, and I rode my skateboard, and then I got interested in business culture.

    I came to an important realization when I was writing The Conquest of Cool, which is, if you don't understand capitalism and business, you don't understand America.

    At the time everybody wanted to be in Cultural Studies and talk about how everyone was dissenting by buying some different brand at the supermarket -- remember those days? And it dawned on me that they were just completely missing the boat. If you don't understand the way business dominates our politics and every other aspect of life, you don't understand this country.

    I guess for everybody else in the world this realization was a no-brainer, but it took me a really long time to figure it out. While I was coming to that amazing epiphany, the new economy bubble was going, the dot.com froth. I was watching that unfold, and reading, among other things, the Wall Street Journal's op-ed page, but also Fortune magazine. Remember Fortune got up to 500 pages an issue back then?

    TM: It was as big as Vogue.

    TF: It was cooler than Vogue even. I would have CNBC on all the time. ... I was writing a book about the thinking of the new economy -- this kind of feverish overheated idea that we had turned some economic corner and that the old rules no longer applied and we didn't need the regulatory state anymore. That's what One Market Under God was about, and that led naturally into studying conservatism.

    Because economic talk, whether it's on CNBC or in the pages of the Wall Street Journal, whether it's in Fortune or coming from a book like The Beardstown Ladies, a personal investment handbook. This is political.

    It doesn't seem like it's political on the surface; maybe it's just some dude picking stocks. But it is political. It has a political agenda. And that's when I became interested in conservatism ...

    ... Well, I've always been interested in conservatism. As you know, I'm drawn to irony; everything I'm talking about here is an ironic situation filled with unintended consequences and everything turned upside down. So What's the Matter with Kansas was about the biggest irony in all of this -- the phenomenon of working-class conservatism. I don't want to say this has been an unexamined irony, because there have been great books written about this subject. But nobody's ever really gotten to the bottom of it, and I decided I would try that.


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The Mother of All Bailouts ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 27, 2008 12:33 AM   
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and we get a fluff piece about the government corruption that has been covered here at Alternet for 7.5 years.

Don't get me wrong, Thomas Frank has a great book but between this and Danny Schechter's piece there is really nothing about the biggest single tax payer rip off in history ... the $700 bailout that Congress is brewing for the very people that caused the mess.

Thus, here is the final paragraph from Roubini's take on the pending bailout :

"Thus, the Treasury plan is a disgrace: a bailout of reckless bankers, lenders and investors that provides little direct debt relief to borrowers and financially stressed households and that will come at a very high cost to the US taxpayer. And the plan does nothing to resolve the severe stress in money markets and interbank markets that are now close to a systemic meltdown."

Roubini: Why the Treasury TARP bailout is flawed

have a good day ...

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» irony piled upon irony Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
Coming soon: the second Great Depression -- a perfect storm of greed, stupidity and arrogance
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 27, 2008 12:37 AM   
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Greed by the Power Elite (Washington politicians, Wall Street brokers and main street bankers)

Stupidity on everyone's part (creditors and lenders).

Arrogance by Republicans who will say and do anything to make Americans give up their freedom.

Next on the horizon: the second American Revolution (cars burning and blood on the streets).

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Gordon Gecko reigns!
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 27, 2008 12:58 AM   
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Money talks, suckers walk and Gordon Gecko reigns. Hate Wall Street and all of the money-lending scumbags? Who doesn't, but add to that ignominy the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank and you create a trinity of total blather and incompetence that will give the scumbags all that they want. Why? Because Obamarama has no clue and his chief economic adviser is Robert Reich. You know, old trailer trash's Treasury Sec that pushed for passage of Gramm-Leach-Bliley in 1999 and loves the deregulation it produced, including Reich's reward of a mega-millions job at currently troubled CitiGroup. It gets worse, Biden voted for it and has been under attack for his close ties to Delaware banking interests that are equally noxious. Not to be outdone, McCain's chief economic adviser is his likely Treasury Sec, ta-da I give you Phil Gramm the ultimate deregulator and current lobbyist for UBS....you know, that guy...the one that calls all suffering Emericans "whiners." Unlike Allstate's Dennis Hastert ads, we ain't in good hands folks!

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» It's Not Robert Reich Posted by: socialpsych
» I stand corrected Posted by: Col. Jackleg
» RE: Gordon Gecko reigns! Posted by: c.d.tate
A Better Bailout By Joseph E. Stiglitz
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 27, 2008 1:02 AM   
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A Better Bailout By Joseph E. Stiglitz

The administration is once again holding a gun at our head, saying, "My way or the highway." We have been bamboozled before by this tactic. We should not let it happen to us again.

There are alternatives. Warren Buffet showed the way, in providing equity to Goldman Sachs. The Scandinavian countries showed the way, almost two decades ago. By issuing preferred shares with warrants (options), one reduces the public's downside risk and insures that they participate in some of the upside potential. This approach is not only proven, it provides both incentives and wherewithal to resume lending. It furthermore avoids the hopeless task of trying to value millions of complex mortgages and even more complex products in which they are embedded, and it deals with the "lemons" problem--the government getting stuck with the worst or most overpriced assets."

Want to understand the whole mess ? Read the whole article. It is the best short explanation I have found.

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Contempt.. Housing Bailout 101
Posted by: Rolomax on Sep 27, 2008 2:41 AM   
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Housing Bailout 101

Depending on your internet tube speed, this may take a minute to load. The basics and nothing more.

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To: U.S. Government Employees
Posted by: socialpsych on Sep 27, 2008 3:16 AM   
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Last week We the People flooded your offices with phone calls and emails to let you know unambigiously that we do NOT want any kind of public bailout of private business.

You are ignoring us and proceeding with "the program."

Well, fuck you. We will remember every one of you on November 4.

Respectfully,

Your Employers

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Here's a great article.
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Sep 27, 2008 4:56 AM   
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I just read it and felt compelled to trick it out somewhere.

The basic idea is a major cause of this financial collapse is rising energy prices, which have driven up food prices through the rise in biofuels. Rising food prices, in turn, reduce the purchasing power of the people who have been the engine of the recent economic boom: the third world poor who, though poor, wielded sizable cumulative purchasing power. The reason, in turn, that a new influx poor workers into the formal economy are the engine of growth after a downturn is their jobs pay less and offer few to no benefits while industrial productivity, despite mechanization, is still based on the exertion and sweating of sizable workforces.

So the poor get squeezed, they spend less except on food, housing, energy - basic necessities - and the cozier strata above them, most of whose members are not involved in providing necessities to make a living, are pulled down. The higher economic strata, whose activities are less necessary, are much more dependent on the poor than their contempt for them suggests. And more and more, new jobs are low paying and non-prestigious laboring positions, since these jobs produce the things that make actual money - that produce the most money - for those who are lucky enough not to be pulled down this far.

Here's the link:

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Can't these DUMB authors realize that there never really was a "free" market, only a RIGGED one?
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 27, 2008 5:55 AM   
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No wonder Main Street is FRAMED and forced into a lose-lose scenario ! Quit saying free market ! The market is RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED, GOD DAMN IT !!

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» That's Right! Posted by: Last Chance
The Difference
Posted by: Romans1 on Sep 27, 2008 6:32 AM   
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The Republicans who stopped the original plan are trying to solve the crisis for the American people. The Democrats are only pursuing political gain.

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» The Fact Is Posted by: Last Chance
The Unbearable Truth
Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 27, 2008 6:44 AM   
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The "bail out" is a grand theft of tax dollars inspired by crooked Wall Street bankers and carried out by the organized criminals who occupy the White House, aided and abetted by their allies in Congress. If this criminal conspircy succeeds it will bankrupt the federal treasury beyond any hope of recovery.

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This crisis was put in place by Republicans
Posted by: Beck on Sep 27, 2008 7:03 AM   
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From the beginning, everything going wrong right now was engineered by Republicans. Democrats are to blame to the degree that they followed the Republican lead and believed the sorry Free Market mantra.

McCain was all for every aspect of this situation that led to this crisis until a few days ago. Last week he believed that the economy was strong. His campaign staff would have, a few weeks ago, called this article and these comments the work of whiners. They DID call us whiners, and called the problems in the economy "psychological".

Republicans got us here.

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» No one will save me. Posted by: Beck
» haranguing the dems... Posted by: undrgrndgirl
THE BIGGEST HEIST IN AMERICA'S HISTORY
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 27, 2008 7:17 AM   
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700 billion?

Wall Street can go to H double toothpicks!

BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM

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Fight Back
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 27, 2008 7:28 AM   
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If the bailout goes through, close your bank account and do all transactions in cash.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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A Wall Street Bailout Wouldn't Help Anyone But Rich Investors
Posted by: LMNOP on Sep 27, 2008 8:16 AM   
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In 2008, do we still really need to be told this?

Let me give you the headline that can be applied to every single story of past eight years:

"What was said was a lie. What was done was for the the benefit of the rich and at the expense of everyone else."

Now, show me a single story that that doesn't work for (and don't say 911 or the anthrax scares of 2001, because I'll just call you naive). No comment of this form should be considered news. This isn't meant as a complaint or a slur, but a simple statement of fact. Yet, with each new iteration, we act shocked.

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Until Main Street quits falling for the 2 party duopoly like DUMB DOGS, Wall $treet will keep
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 27, 2008 8:22 AM   
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winning and fucking and raping Main Street. Let's just come clean and face it. The USA loses !

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POPULACE REVOLT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 27, 2008 9:28 AM   
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Apparently it's very serious. Like anything else we do to speak our minds, there is no coverage. Seems public opinion is in the hundreds to one against this handout. There is alot of concern, but no one will give us the satifaction of acknowledging that we can have an impact. It's election time so the only thing to do is nag the politicians. E-mail, telephone, etc. They don't know how much these assets are worth but somehow $700 billion sounds about right to them. That's not good enough. I'm not convinced that if we do nothing the conequences will be a disaster. This follows a pattern of scaring us to death so we'll do as we're told. Maybe for once we should just all say "NO". ANNA

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» RE: POPULACE REVOLT Posted by: socialpsych
Across the board, people bought when they should have held...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 27, 2008 10:02 AM   
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...or sold, especially homeowners and investors.

People were betting their life savings, the financial well-being of their families, and the security of the future to buy into houses they couldn't afford. And investors bet whatever they bet on investment managers who bet their money and millions of employees on the bad bet that mortgage liars, low-income earners, and those with steaming piles of credit could make good on the promise to pay a mortgage ridiculously above their reach.

Who to feel sorry for? Well, the children of bad parents who cost them a chunk of financial security, I guess. Employees at banking institutions who didn't make bad investment decisions, I suppose. Investors? Nah--it's a well-advertised fact the prior performance does not ensure future gain. All my "have to have" savings is in C.D.'s; the retirement account can go up and down as it will and my family is buffered, in a rental situation, because it would have been stupid for us to buy into the inflated housing market at any point in the last six or so years.

As far as everyone else, you rolled the dice and bad bets cost everyone.

Next time:

1) Go and make sure that weed-overrun shot-gun shack in urban Louisiana is really worth $80,000 before you decide to bet your salary on it, and make sure you can afford to pay on the terms you sign.

2) Go and and make sure that whoever buys that weed-overrun shot-gun shack in Louisiana has the ability to repay that $80,000 before you bet your bank on it and make sure it's worth it.

3) Go and make sure that which ever bank is loaning which ever person $80,000 for a weed-overrun shot-gun shack in urban Louisiana is exercising due diligence in lending before you buy that mortgage in a package.

4) Go and make sure who ever is packaging those loans is doing due diligence in investment research before you buy into such packages.

Failures on the part of any of you to understand what you are buying does not (well, should not) obligate the rest of society to rest bail you out. I (f)leased a car when I was young, naive, and ignorant. You know which "government program" I hooked my wagon to to fix that financial mistake? You guessed it, I had to deal with my financial mistake all by my lonesome, and it never occurred to me to rob money from my neighbors via the tax steal to pay for my mistake.

Now, that doesn't apply to fraudulent lending, loan-sharking, etc., and if you were lied to--if the paper you signed isn't being honored--you have recourse.

I get so tired--especially--of hearing how we need to rescue these junior Warren Buffets who bought a house because the value was going up, up, up and figured that the worst thing that could happen if they couldn't pay would be to flip it for a profit. You'd have made more money investing in alcohol, tobacco, and toilet paper--things that usually still turn a profit during hard times.

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why are the Democrats pushing this?
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Sep 27, 2008 10:34 AM   
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really Democrats are pushing this hard

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Check this out
Posted by: Lauren on Sep 27, 2008 12:14 PM   
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"Banker to poor" has suggestion for bankers to rich.

Yunus, nicknamed "banker to the poor," won the Nobel in 2006 for inspiring a global microfinance movement that has lifted millions out of poverty by granting tiny loans. Started 30 years ago with a $27 loan to women in Bangladesh, his Grameen Bank has mushroomed by providing credit to poor people who do not have access to mainstream banking.

Unlike Wall Street, which is reeling from a flood of loans that may never be paid back, Grameen bank has a recovery rate of more than 98 percent.

"Today, if we are prepared, we could buy some of those falling banks in the United States, no problem, it's possible," Yunus said semi-seriously at former U.S. President Bill Clinton's philanthropic summit, the Clinton Global Initiative.

"Don't ignore them (the poor) ... we lend over a billion dollars a year," he said. "We have to get out of the mindset that the rich will do the business and the poor will have the charity."

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One group the bailout WON'T HURT --the treasonous neocon Bush family
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 27, 2008 12:22 PM   
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When Bush 41 was President Nixon's CIA chief, he formed the renegade conservative "Committee on Present Danger" -- predecessor of the rightwing extremist organization, "Project for a New American Century" (PNAC), founded years later by arch conservative Bill Kristol.

As president, Bush 41 fostered the imperialistic "New World Order" agenda that became a PNAC hallmark. Formed in 1997, PNAC advocated the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and dominating the world with U.S. military power. Jeb Bush, acting as the family surrogate, was a PNAC founder.

Also during the Bush 41 administration, the current no-bid DOD contract scam was created by Dick Cheney, then Secretary of Defense who later became a PNAC founder, along with his fellow Iraq invasion advocates, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby. All four enriched themselves with lucrative investments in military/industrial complex stocks.

After Big George lost his reelection bid, he joined the private investment firm, Carlyle Group, managed by PNAC member Frank Carlucci, former Reagan DOD Secretary.

Since its formation and primarly because of Iraq War 2, the Carlyle Group has reportedly earned Bush 41 almost a billion dollars on his original investment.

Much of that wealth will be go to first son Dub-ya, who, not coincidentally, pushed for repeal of the "Death" (inheritance) tax.

One thing you can say about the Bushes. They know how to get rich -- at America's expense.

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Fool me once, shame on you, fool me again...
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Sep 27, 2008 12:55 PM   
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Only a fool returns to drink from a poisoned well after barely surviving the previous encounter(s).

What does that say about people who are screwed because of money, yet look to money for salvation, again and again?

Get a clue or else...

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Solution to our problems
Posted by: premarachel on Sep 27, 2008 2:54 PM   
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The answer to America’s finacial problems.
Get the major Casinos to manage Wall St and the economy and put the polititians on the same health care and social security as the rest of us.

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THOMAS FRANK SAID SOMETHING REALLY INSIGHTFUL. THEY ARE TRYING TO
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Sep 27, 2008 5:20 PM   
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reinflate a bubble. Yes. Of course. Did anyone ever successfully reinflate a bubble. How about the famous 'south sea bubble' straight out of our text books? Could it have been reinflated? Should it have been reinflated? From this distance the answer is an easy no.

Old men need hope. They know they did not fix their world. But when they run into young men like Thomas Frank they can feel a few moments of hope. His interviewer TM is no slouch. I thank you guys.

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You know what pisses me off about all this?
Posted by: willymack on Sep 27, 2008 7:36 PM   
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Not a doddamm word about who's going to go to jail over these egrigious crimes against the common people; NOT ONE! Instead, "congress" wants to reward the criminal bastards who got us into this mess with 700 billion dollars of our money. How many times will we allow criminals to bleed us dry until we DO something about it? I'm not sure I want to know the answer to that one; it's all so sad.

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F**k The Democrats
Posted by: left_libertarian on Sep 27, 2008 11:08 PM   
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yea, they are for the 'common' folk.

What a load of crap.

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» RE: F**k The Libertarians Posted by: yellow
How to REALLY save the economy-- and a whole lot more
Posted by: kwalla on Sep 28, 2008 12:19 AM   
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PUT PEOPLE TO WORK; FIGHT GLOBAL WARMING AND RAISE THE VALUE OF HOMES... here's how:

What we NEED to do is to stimulate the economy by spending public money to do "green remodeling" (adding insulation and other energy saving features/updates to buildings and also installing site-appropriate alternative energy generation: solar, wind). Such measures applied to both public and private property would:

- get money in the hands of skilled construction laborers who are out of work;
- reduce energy consumption and thus CO2 production as well as lower the utility bills at a time when energy prices are rising exponentially; and finally
- raise the value of residential and commercial real estate.

This is a WIN-WIN-WIN situation all around. This has been done in a very limited fashion via tax credits in the 2005 Energy Bill-- a number of which have been renewed or are currently slated to be renewed-- but we MUST increase the funding level dramatically. If the bottom line is that we need to inject significant public money into the economy in order to divert any of several different great depression-like scenarios, let us do it in a way that maximizes the benefits.

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» EndGame Posted by: maxomus
"EndGame" Blueprint for Global Enslavement
Posted by: maxomus on Sep 28, 2008 8:32 AM   
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Anyone who reads this needs to Google and watch "EndGame" by Alex Jones it explains alot about what is going on with America

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The Rich did'nt lose enough to need a bailout!!!!!
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 28, 2008 9:30 AM   
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They think they did. Since they own the press and the government they have made us believe they did. All told they lost about $1000 over a weeks time. At 11,000 a share,for the good stuff, they really did'nt lose shit!! I don't think a bailout should be in order even if they lost a grand in a day. Mismanagement caused their mess,they should be made to live it,just like normal people. The rich get 700 billion for screwing themselves and the people get $300, to be screwed out of in any number of ways. What the fuck is wrong with this picture??
They tell us a 'human being' is worth 6.9 million dollars,cool!! Where is it!?? Maybe if they were serious about it they would have given the People 1% of that or 69,000 bucks
and we could have invigorated the market by paying off most of our debts.
Believe me there were more than enough people telling both Congress and the Whitehouse 'No Way!!" to the bailout. As we have seen our voices are unheard,and for the most part,without merit. For those assholes,who are usupposed to be OUR servents, all need to be fired for not listening to the BOSS,US! The People!!!
This time let's not return anyone to their jobs in DC.
We boycott the vote, render the government moot,and replace it. NOW. How much more proof do we need that this system operates outside the best intrests of the People?
I'm convinced,they have to go! I'm not a Terrorist but my oldest Great Grandfather DID sign the Declaration of Independance. I think he'd sign it again.
Write-n Jeffrey7 (Smith) for Prez in '08

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The Sham is a Done Deal ... What We Need to Do Now ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 28, 2008 12:04 PM   
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Unless there is an act of God this bailout looks to be a done deal but the fight must go on on several fronts ...

~A new plan such as the Brad De Long / Stiglitz Plan a la the Scandinavian Plan must be readied for implementation by the Democrats.

Why ? Because the Bush-Paulson-Pelosi Bailout does NOT address the problem we have now, the freezing of the credit markets! The credit markets can still freeze up and will probably do so down the line as the bailout does nothing to address insolvent banks.

~Preparations should be made to nationalize the Federal Reserve.

It has been obvious that Bernanke and the Federal Reserve ignored this catastrophe until too late and then instead of implementing a Scandinavian type plan began trading treasuries for worthless junk from the banks. The Federal Reserve, a private corporation, put their stock holders, the member banks, before the health of the economy and the financial security of the Nation.

If we are lucky the banking system will limp along until Jan 20. I'm skeptical that will be the case. As said before, this bailout plan does little to resolve the trust issue in the credit markets caused by insolvent banks and nothing to stop a crashing economy.

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What!?!
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Sep 28, 2008 12:08 PM   
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Well just fucking... Duh!

Sorry for the immature exclamation, but...
hasn't everyone figured that out yet?

Also don't Forget “The 32 Words...”
 

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so much more of everything...
Posted by: cbishopp on Sep 28, 2008 4:53 PM   
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This will not be the end of anything.
A bailout will not solve the problem just as a war did not make us safe. We have created a selfish government for a selfish country and for years we have grown as a nation at the expense of poor people around the world and now we are all shocked that the most selfish and wealthy of us don't act in the best interest of the populace.
After hours of negotiations it was determined that CEO's will get golden parachutes in the $500,000 range as opposed to the many millions they were promised before...well thanks everybody. Thanks for being tough and standing up for the people.
It reminds me of 9-11 in that this is a terrible situation brought about by government failure on a mass scale despite plenty of warning and all the details are shrouded in confusion and no one knows what to do other than that we have to act now or suffer the terrible consequences. Oh yeah, it happened on almost the same day. Are we seeing any obvious patterns here? Do you think (gasp) our personal wealth, safety, rights as US citizens, and future as a country will take a down turn, regardless?
So what happens now? Now that public education has been dismantled, health care is a tragedy, gasoline is higher than ever, the food supply is tainted, regulatory agencies gutted and powerless, military reduced to exhausted, underfunded boys who have done four tours already, no effective national guard....and so on.
What happens when the next big storm hits or a "terrorist" attack?
This is a set up. It will not end here, it will get worse and as paranoid as it sounds, it was designed this way.
People are making profit from your pain, from your dreams and your gullible belief that you can't understand economics as a layman or politics as a prisoner.
As individuals we have power. Educate yourself and others because those in power don't want you to know that it doesn't take a genius to understand world financial markets or the political process.
We are not pets so bite the hand that feeds you.

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Oversight
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 28, 2008 7:18 PM   
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We're being raped and they're setting up bleachers.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Good news; Capitalisme will survive.
Posted by: richholland on Sep 28, 2008 11:38 PM   
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in 1930 the ecomist Kondritief explained to Jozef Stalin capitalisme will create a recession every 50 - 60 years.
Stalin was happy to hear.

But it will never die the brave professor continued his lection.

Billary/Hillary are capitalists too...
change your greed system....
stop all the crazy wars...

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