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A Frightened President Tries to Scare American Public on Bailout

Bush seeks photo opportunities with Obama and McCain; McCain's bait and switch falls flat; Letterman mocks McCain's cancellation.
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A composite of a day and night of fast-breaking news from the Huffington Post's Jennifer Loven, The Nation's John Nichols and David Letterman.

The Speech -- Jennifer Loven
President Bush said Wednesday that lawmakers risk a cascade of wiped-out retirement savings, rising home foreclosures, lost jobs and closed businesses if they fail to act on a massive financial rescue plan. "Our entire economy is in danger," he said. "Without immediate action by Congress, America could slip into a financial panic, and a distressing scenario would unfold," Bush said in a 12-minute prime-time address delivered from the White House East Room that he hoped would help rescue his tough-sell bailout package. "Ultimately, our country could experience a long and painful recession."

Said Bush: "We must not let this happen."

The unprecedented $700 billion bailout, which the Bush administration asked Congress last weekend to approve before it adjourns, is meeting with deep skepticism, especially from conservatives in Bush's own Republican Party who are revolting at the high price tag and massive private-sector intervention by government. Though there is general agreement that something must be done to address the spiraling economic problems, Bush has been forced to accept changes almost daily, based on demands from the Right and Left.

Seeking to explain himself to conservatives, Bush stressed that he was reluctant to put taxpayer money on the line to help businesses that had made bad decisions and that the rescue is not aimed at saving individual companies. He tried to address some of the major complaints from Democrats by promising that CEOs of failed companies won't be rewarded, while warning he would draw the line at regulations he determined would hamper economic growth.

"With the situation becoming more precarious by the day, I faced a choice: to step in with dramatic government action or to stand back and allow the irresponsible actions by some to undermine the financial security of all," Bush said.

The president tried to turn himself into an economics professor for much of the address, tracing the origins of the problem back a decade.

But while generally acknowledging risky and poorly thought-out financial decisions at many levels of society, Bush never assigned blame to any specific entity, such as his administration, the quasi-independent mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, or the Wall Street firms that built rising profits on increasingly speculative mortgage-backed securities. Instead, he spoke in terms of investment banks that "found themselves saddled with" the toxic assets the government is now proposing to buy and banks that "found themselves" with questionable balance sheets.

Intensive, personal lobbying of lawmakers is not usually Bush's style as president, unlike some predecessors. He does not often make calls or twist arms on behalf of a legislative priority. But with the nation facing the biggest financial meltdown in decades, Bush took the unusual step of asking Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain, one of whom will inherit the financial mess in four months, and key congressional leaders of both parties to a White House meeting on Thursday to work on a compromise.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the senator would attend the meeting scheduled for the afternoon, and senior McCain advisers said he would, too. The plans of the other invitees were unknown. The White House said that the idea for the joint meeting was McCain's and that aides went about setting it up after Bush and McCain spoke Wednesday afternoon.

In another move welcome at the White House, Obama and McCain issued a joint statement using their own dire language to urge lawmakers to act. The two candidates -- bitterly fighting each other for the White House but coming together over this issue -- said the situation offers a chance for politicians to prove Washington's worth.

"The plan that has been submitted to Congress by the Bush administration is flawed, but the effort to protect the American economy must not fail," they said. "This is a time to rise above politics for the good of the country. We cannot risk an economic catastrophe."

However, the Oval Office rivals were not putting politics aside entirely. McCain asked Obama to agree to delay their first debate, scheduled for Friday, while Obama said it should go ahead.

White House and administration officials have warned repeatedly in recent days of a coming "financial calamity."

But that has not closed the deal, which for many recalls previous warnings of grave threats from Bush -- such as before the Iraq War -- that did not materialize. So Bush's goal with his speech, his first prime-time address in 377 days, was to frame the debate in layman's terms to show the depths of the crisis, explain how it affects the people's daily lives and inspire the public to demand action from Washington.

He said that more banks could fail, the stock market could plummet and erase retirement accounts, and businesses could find it hard to get credit and be forced to close, wiping out jobs for millions of Americans.

He ended on a positive note, predicting that lawmakers would "rise to the occasion" and that the nation's economy would overcome "a moment of great challenge."

With so many crises hitting the United States at once, the presidential race has taken a back seat, and so has Bush's involvement in politics. Bush canceled a campaign trip to Florida on Wednesday to deal with the problem, the third time in a week that he has scrapped his attendance at out-of-town fundraisers, due to the market turmoil and Hurricane Ike.

The economic crisis also is almost certain to overshadow the rest of Bush's four months left in office and could hugely impact his legacy. It has been assumed that the long-term view of Bush's presidency was to be shaped largely by Iraq, Hurricane Katrina and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Now, the dire economic problems and the aftermath of the government's attempted solution will certainly be added to that list.

The Speech Critique -- John Nichols
Herbert Hoover did not have the option of making a televised speech to the nation as the Great Depression unfolded. That was, undoubtedly, a good thing -- for Hoover and for the nation. Hoover was spared the responsibility of what George Bush took on Wednesday night -- that of trying to explain a dramatic economic downtown without taking responsibility for the defining role that his wrongheaded policies had in causing the crisis.

This time the nation had to deal with the painful image of a scared president clutching a White House podium so tightly that his tension was audible. "We are in the midst of a serious financial crisis," began Bush, who proceeded to tell America what it already knows: Banks aren't making loans, credit markets are freezing up, and businesses and families can no longer afford to borrow essential funds.

Grasp. Grasp. Rumble.

"The market is not functioning properly. There is a widespread loss of confidence," the lamest of lame ducks continued. "America could slip into a widespread financial panic." "Fellow citizens, we must not let this happen," Bush went on. Clutch. Clutch.

"Many Americans are asking: How would a rescue plan work?" "The final question is: What does this mean for your economic future?"

Grasp. Grab. Clutch. Claw.

Nothing that Bush said in an address that lasted barely 10 minutes was sufficient to inspire confidence, which explained why he has invited the two men who are competing for the unenviable task of succeeding him to join him on Thursday to pitch for passage of the most sweeping economic intervention scheme since the New Deal was applied to the Great Depression.

Democrat Barack Obama has already accepted the invite. Republican John McCain, who on Wednesday announced a scheme to suspend campaigning in order to focus on addressing the mess, will have to show up. And the presidential race will become fully linked with the advancement of Bush's recovery plan.

If Obama is smart, he will take another listen to Bush's speech -- not to the words but to the sound of a desperate man trying to claw his way out of a corner. And he will recognize it as the same sound that Americans would have heard if a clueless Herbert Hoover had addressed the United States in 1929 -- or in the last stages of the 1932 campaign.

The question Obama must ask himself is this: If Hoover had tried to get Franklin Roosevelt to help him advance a flawed plan to bail out the bankers who made the mess, would Roosevelt have rushed to Washington for a show of unity? Or would the Democrat who gave us that New Deal have said: "Let the Republicans appear with Hoover. I'm going to keep talking about taking the nation in a completely different direction."

There is no mystery as to why Bush and McCain want Obama to join them in the Rose Garden. They want him to be a part of their process -- as opposed to an alternative to it.

Of course, appearing with Bush and McCain on Thursday may help Obama to appear presidential. But, after eight years of George Bush, America does not need the appearance of a president. America needs a president. Bush's agonizing address reminded a nation that long ago lost faith in his leadership that he is not up to the task. McCain's deer-in-the-headlights dodge of trying to freeze the campaign and avoid the debates confirms that he has nothing more to offer than Bush.

Of course they want Obama to stand with them on Thursday. Hoover would have loved to have Roosevelt at his side rather than proposing sounder solutions. Bush is Hoover. McCain is Hoover on steroids.

Obama, at this critical moment, should not lower himself to their level. He should be Roosevelt.

The Letterman Mock from the Drudge Report

"In the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview and said, "Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?"

Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, "You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves." And he joked: "I think someone's putting something in his Metamucil."

"He can't run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second-string quarterback, Sarah Palin. Where is she?"

The Bait and Switch -- John Nichols
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama initiated the sequence of events that led to Republican candidate John McCain's stunning announcement Wednesday afternoon that he would suspend his campaign and propose delaying Friday's first debate between the contenders.

While it was Obama who took the lead, McCain pulled a bait-and-switch stunt in order to try to grab headlines -- and the leadership mantle in a race that is all about who can best guide the country -- for himself.

The Republican did so by leading the Democrat to believe he was willing to work together behind the scenes with Obama to develop a joint response to the current economic crisis, only to have the Republican leap in front of the cameras with a solo announcement.

Here's the scenario as it played out during the course of one of the most tumultuous days in the history of American presidential politics:

Early Wednesday, at 8:30 a.m. EST, Obama called McCain to propose that the two candidates attempt to take a leadership role in responding to the economic crisis. Concerned that no consensus was emerging from negotiations between Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and leaders in Congress, Obama suggested that he and his Republican rival outline shared goals for any bailout of troubled banks and financial-services institutions.

Specifically, Obama proposed that the two author a joint statement of "shared principles and conditions" for a bailout. McCain responded around 2:30 p.m. EST Wednesday to express his willingness to work with Obama.

Then, at 3 p.m. EST, without alerting Obama or the Democrat's campaign to his intentions, McCain called a press conference to announce that he would stop campaigning in order to return to Washington to focus on the "historic" crisis facing the U.S. economy.

"I am calling on the president to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself," McCain announced in New York.

At the same time, McCain urged organizers of Friday's debate at the University of Mississippi in Oxford to postpone the first debate. In short order, the Bush White House hailed McCain's move, in an apparent attempt to aide a fellow Republican. As the afternoon progressed, Obama graciously announced that -- despite McCain's behavior -- he was still willing to work with the Republican, and that he would go to Washington or anywhere else if it was thought that doing so might help to resolve the crisis.

But the Democrat also suggested that he wanted to debate on Friday. The Commission on Presidential Debates said it intended to go forward with the scheduled meeting between the candidates at the University of Mississippi.

So where does this leave us?

No matter what happens with the debate, and with the broader discussion about the economy, everyone who is paying attention to the 2008 campaign learned something Wednesday about John McCain. The man who so frequently denigrates diplomacy apparently has so little respect for the one-on-one relationship that underpins any serious negotiation between powerful figures that he would play political games even in the midst of what he admits is a "historic" crisis.

While McCain was trying to make himself look like a leader, the Republican contender instead confirmed that he is uniquely unqualified to serve in a position that requires his occupant to win and retain the trust of those with whom he negotiates.
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What kind of person would…
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 25, 2008 12:24 AM   
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Piss off his fellow high school students to the point they nicknamed him “Nasty.”

Blow four years of free education at the U.S. Naval Academy and end up fifth from the bottom of his 800-midshipman class.

Fly Navy jets recklessly instead of professionally and crash five planes.

Sell military secrets to his captors during the Vietnam War for hot coffee and cigarettes.

Cheat on a wife who spent nearly every waking hour for five years trying to make his POW experience easier for him.

Jump into bed with S&L executives in what became known as the “Keating Five” scandal.

Maintain close ties with lobbyists his entire political career and then claim he didn’t.

Betray MIA families by shutting down a Senate Select investigation into the fate of U.S. airmen missing in action during wartime and sealing their DOD records.

Flip flop on virtually every major campaign issue.

Lie about his opponent again and again.

Pick an ignorant hockey mom beauty queen to be a heartbeat-away commander-in-chief.

Finally, what kind of politician would duck Friday night’s televised presidential debate?

A born LOSER, that’s who!


John McCain--OLD ideas, OLD solutions, OLD lobby connections
For more reasons why JM should not be president
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32 Words...
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Sep 25, 2008 12:31 AM   
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Dirty Secret Of The Bailout: Thirty-Two Words That None Dare Utter…

The 32 Words...

“Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are
non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be
reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.”


If you do not understand the import of those 32 words, then follow the link.
 

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Fear ye, fear ye, fear ye!!
Posted by: talkville on Sep 25, 2008 2:14 AM   
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Beware the ad which harks: "Act now, this offer is limited; if you order now you also get... ."

Incited to fear, individual will act in extremely irrational and spontaneous instinctive ways. And if it's so that these +/- 5% of our populace, who got us here in the first place, are actually feeling fear themselves, all the more reason to get this so-called 'proposal' out into the light completely. Good to remember: a whole lotta people are gonna be inside those "bail-out" buckets as they're emptied out over-board. Then there's that other meaning of 'bail-out'; that meaning that refers to the quite discreet and well-packaged and loaded exit being effected by those thieves, scoundrels and gamblers now proposing it.

No fear!!

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Eat my fear
Posted by: MRS13 on Sep 25, 2008 2:24 AM   
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This speech was a first-degree application of FDR's famous statement "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself".

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Detention Centers and a postponed election?
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Sep 25, 2008 2:50 AM   
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Since Bush has commissioned the military, starting October 1, to put down any civil unrest, could it be that the election will be postponed and marshall law be declared if the financial mess the US is in worsens? It is just a fear of mine, but I find the events currently underway quite a bit out of the ordinary.

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Lets feed the rabid wolf...
Posted by: cordas on Sep 25, 2008 2:59 AM   
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1st of all.... does anyone actually believe that Wallstreet would take the 700 billion and then make the changes it needed to make sure it didn't make the same mistakes...

I think they would take it and pi$$ it up against the wall.... and 3 months down the line we would be in exactly the mess mess, except this time the actual people paying tax would be worse off to the tune of 700 billion....

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Stuck If We Stand, Shot If We Run
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 25, 2008 3:16 AM   
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We risk a cascade of wiped-out retirement savings, rising home foreclosures, lost jobs and closed businesses no matter what we do.

It's just a question of whether Wall Street is going to pay it's own way or go on life support at taxpayer expense.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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NO CASH FOR WORTHLESS PAPER!
Posted by: Peter Mackrael on Sep 25, 2008 3:27 AM   
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There is no need to reward investment banks for their reckless behavior. Here are two recommendations for your consideration.

1. There is no need for the federal government to buy any derivatives paper - this paper is absolutely worthless and should not be purchased by the government! If Congress is convinced that a cash injection is needed (and I am not convinced), there are at least three better alternatives: provide credit through an existing bank that was not involved in this derivatives fraud/casino OR buy an existing bank outright and issue new credit through this bank OR create a new federal bank for this purpose. A new bi-partisan committee should be created to assess the need and to administer this activity. Let the investment banks and insurance companies that did gamble with derivatives fail as they should. There is no reason to bail out these irresponsible and socially harmful operators. This credit injection need not be the full $700 billion, but should be injected in small pieces to legitimate borrowers and only if absolutely needed.

2. Regarding homeowners facing mortgage default, these owners got in over their head by choice. They and their lenders chose to speculate in the housing market. If they believe that a lender defrauded them, they should initiate a law suit against the bank that gave them their mortgage. The federal government should not assume any responsibility for these mortgages.

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It's been done, it's been solved, it's been proven
Posted by: photon's feather on Sep 25, 2008 3:45 AM   
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Stopping a Financial Crisis, the Swedish Way

Congress can get all the answers and all the details from people who've been in the same predicament and worked it out swiftly and successfully. (Well, most people like it - but the pirates got hosed!)

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STOP The Horse Thief! Ride him out of Washington on a Rail!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Sep 25, 2008 3:56 AM   
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No 700 Billion Dollar Parachute for the Cor-pirate King!
King George II
The Lame Duck goes Spies,Quack, Lies,
Quack! Quack! Quack!

GO Directly
To JAIL!
No collecting 700 Billion!
George W 4 Wrong Bush
Finishes 1st at something?
In a Race,
To Disgrace.

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Oh so Many 'Coincidences' - Soo many LIES
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 25, 2008 4:02 AM   
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Call me a skeptic, call me Jaded...
but as soon as W. Or Mac start telling people to be frighten I think they are behind whatever they are trying to freak US out about.
So Rick Davis's Lobbying firm was still taking payment from Freddie Mac- as recently as last month...Ever heard of 'insurance Fraud' ya Know when some business guy torches his store to get the insurance.
What makes me even more suspecious is that apparently Paulson had that 'Extensive' 2 1/2 page Ransom letter written 6 months ago- and waited until the last minute to try and extort the money from congress- "You Got 2 days"
Hmm lets think about the last few election cycles- what major 'Threat' reared it's ugly head around those times.
I'd love to know What W's rating were last night- I turned him off and watched 'Moster Quest' about short nosed Bears- far more Believeable than this 'Chuckie' doll behind the podium.
Mac not only has his criminal Ties to the Banking organized Crime Synidicate, bu the is also the LIAR who brazenly 'leaked' the Anthrax came from Iraq (after it had already been determined it was from Our Stock!)
Since both these TRAITORS are screaming 'Bailout', Then We must do the exact opposite.
If there is aloan taken out from some Foreign Loan Sharks- take it out and sendChecks to every American Household. WE will get the economy working again- Bottoms Up Economics, A TRUE Free market system. 'Shit Rolls Down Hill' is the tactics of Monarchies and dictatorships.
Send Me $10,000 and I'll pay my mortgage, my car payment, my credit cards, my utilities and have maybe enough to by a modest 'Luxury' for myself. Save the Banks- save the ones who's payments support the banks- Logic!
Before last night I actually beleived this was a Crisis, Now I KNOW it's a 'Confidence' scam!

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DID YOU SEE THAT SPEECH???
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 25, 2008 4:04 AM   
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My goodness! It looked like the half-witted little thug was making a hostage tape. In a very real and ominous way, he was indeed making a hostage tape. The only problem is that it's you and I who are being held hostage....

"It's mah way er the hahway"

Here's a prediction for you, kiddies:

One January 20, 2009, George W. Bush will be nowhere to be found. He wouldn't dare subject himself to a thirty minute, thundering ovation when President Obama takes to oath of office, so great will the joy be to be finally free of the oaf of office.

Did you ever envision your once-great nation falling this low? I sure did! Everyone with a sense of the history of the United States did as well.

It's almost a cliche` by this point but so true: Franklin Delano Roosevelt saved capitalism by temporing its excesses. The regulations and safety measures his administration put into place over seventy years ago in order to moderate the marketpalce worked beautifully for half a century. Then in 1981, a curious thing happened. For reasons I've never been able to figure out, the American people foolishly decided that sending a feeble-minded, failed "B" movie actor to the White House was a really neat idea. Ronald Reagan proceeded to dismantle the New Deal and by 1987, we had our first stock market crash in almost sixty years.

"Government isn't the answer to our problems. Government is the problem".

Of course it is. One good thing happened this week. The so-called "Reagan Revolution" is deader than Ronald Reagan himself. Thank heavens for these small blessings.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Bush=Truman? Have Another Sip!

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No help for speculators and brokers
Posted by: rommeytx on Sep 25, 2008 4:06 AM   
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No help for speculators and brokers. Derivatives are worthless papers and should be responsibility of the issuers to honor them. Congress should only engineer a package to help owners of homesteaded properties in distress, to buy their mortgage, and renegotiate it offering them an interest one percentage point above the Fed's rate for banks. Investment real estate need not apply.
Shame on McCain for trying to use this as a photo op. I would suggest the FBI investigate the links between the corporations already under investigation, their lobbyists and Senator McCain. We might find the truth of this crisis...

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Echoing FDR
Posted by: mnissenson on Sep 25, 2008 4:37 AM   
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The only thing to fear are the fear-mongers, themselves.

Let's not fall for them, this time.

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But....?
Posted by: kindmuse on Sep 25, 2008 4:42 AM   
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Bush was just saying a couple months ago that we are not having an economic crisis? What happenned since then? why the sudden rise? Why aren't reporters, including Alternet, asking the right questions? Why isn't he being held accountable, instead of attempting to bail us out?

peace, and good luck.

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A few bad apples?
Posted by: social democract on Sep 25, 2008 4:43 AM   
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This all sounds so familiar. It's not the system that's corrupt, it's just a few bad apples on Wall Street. We must not punish them all just because of the actions of a few.

Yeah. Right.

Sorry, George. You're the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, ... we won't be fooled again.

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Said Bush: "We must not let this happen."
Posted by: LOVELYT. on Sep 25, 2008 4:45 AM   
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"WE" didn't! "YOU AND YOUR CROONIES" did. Please stop with the lies and arrogance already. McPalin should forfeit the race. They have become a circus. America is not a game to "REAL" Americans like myself. But obviously it's about lies and secrecy for the entire republican ticket and it's supporters. WE DESERVE TO HAVE THIS DEBATE AS SCHEDULED. McCain is trying to delay the inevitable. Plus, they want to cancel Biden/Palin debate all together. I think that is the real agenda here.
With republicans it's always a ploy, a fear tactic, a smear tactic, a mirage of what's really happening. Then, just flat out lies. I'm not only appalled by what is unfolding from that party. I'm offended. I'm no longer Moderate nor undecided. I'm voting Democrat. Possibly forever. This is a mockery.
I'm with you all the way Obama/Biden!
Straight talk=straight lies!

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Why is it....................?
Posted by: LOVELYT. on Sep 25, 2008 4:51 AM   
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They want SOCIALIZED DEBT but the profits are PRIVATIZED?
So are we Americans just prostitutes now?

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» They Have A Medieval Mentality. Posted by: Last Chance
» Like serfs -- Posted by: Last Chance

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8 Long Years...
Posted by: Carol Burns on Sep 25, 2008 5:19 AM   
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I don't know about anyone else here, but a local talk show host whom I admire recently suggested that if you weren't behind the President's decision to go to war with Iraq after 9/11, you were somehow unpatriotic. Well, he may be right about a lot of things, but that ain't one of 'em! Like Barack Obama, I have opposed this President from the beginning, since day one that I heard he was running for office. Does anyone else feel like a "voice crying in the wilderness"? Time to IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!

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We Must Act
Posted by: LiveFree on Sep 25, 2008 5:25 AM   
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I didn't listen to the president's speech last night. For years I have not believed anything he has said so why start now. I did read a New York Times report and now Alternet's report.

Charles Krauthammer recently issued his assessment that the sitting president has the equanimity of Harry S. Truman. But George has told too many lies and publicly admitted to authorizing torture to be like Harry. I wrote my local newspaper earlier this morning also comparing Bush with Hoover.

Even Senator John McCain forgot George W. Bush was still president. He was too busy running for president to join Senate colleagues in hearing out administration officials defending the Bush bailout plan. His attempt to take center stage through a joint statement with Senator Barack Obama would be embarassing to everyone but a politician obsessed with gaining the Oval Office.

Yesterday's Washington Post reported a contrasting view of Senator Obama and campaign advisers working closely with Democratic leaders in Congress. The Jonathan Weisman report ably sets out the crisis within the context of the presidential election - and that allows us to reflect on a major political problem for our nation: how our politics have been all too often about gaining advantage and NOT on improving our country and the quality of living we share as Americans. We have lost the collective sense of the "common good" and forgotten our unique ability as Americans to innovate our way out of trouble.

I was heartened by Senator Obama's statement, "It is wholly unreasonable to expect that American taxpayers would or should hand this administration or any administration a $700 billion blank check with absolutely no oversight or conditions when a lack of oversight in Washington and on Wall Street is exactly what got us into this mess."

The dysfunctional part of our governing process is the relative lack of "government by, for and of the People" that makes our political system one of self-government. This disconnect between the people on Main Street and decision-makers in Washington, D.C. must also be fixed in the near future.

Not enough people stopped to ask probing questions when the Bush administration rushed off to a "war of choice" in Iraq. For that matter, not enough asked probing questions about his character and judgment before the presidential election in November of 2000.

More and more people now are asking probing questions about the state of our federal government, about the inability of Congress to make real progress in cleaning up the neoconervative disasters, and about the "real" state of our financial health both in regards to our government and our economy.

More and more people are asking questions about how airplanes crashing into the World Trade Center towers could cause them to collapse and fall into a deep hole in the ground. More and more people should demand Congress impeach Bush and Cheney and remove them from office the day before the next president is sworn in.

If 20 million people telephoned/faxed/ emailed/wrote their representatives in Congress to say NO to this bailout do you think Congress will say NO to the Bush administration?

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That's How The System Operates
Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 25, 2008 5:30 AM   
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Because McCain is so corrupt, he can be controlled. Even a reasonably honest candidate must seek funding to pay for publicity, so they become indebted to and controlled by their corporate financiers. If the people want change they need to replace the system at its core belief in, and subservience to, the power of money. They need a system where money is no longer necessary.

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The lion in the house
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Sep 25, 2008 5:38 AM   
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McCain continues to show leadership and Obama continues to follow. Experience showes every time!

Leave it to McCain to try to reach across the aisle and get something done, while the democrat congress sits on it's ass and complains and points fingers!

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Worst presidential speech, EVER
Posted by: Bastet62 on Sep 25, 2008 5:49 AM   
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What an oaf! If there's a run on the banks this week it'll be Bush's fault! A far cry from FDR's "..fear itself" speech. Bush actually wants us to panic, to live in fear perpetually.

A Wall Street bail out won't work to fix the economy - putting people back to work will.

The only thing Bush got right last night was his pronunciation. I guess the teleprompter was spelled out phonetically.

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A memo from McCAin to his staff was already leaked , telling the talking points of his new strategy
Posted by: Beck on Sep 25, 2008 5:50 AM   
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McCain's schedule today includes a visit with the wife of a British aristocrat.

Obama reached out to McCain early yesterday morning. I guess McCain felt he needed some type of upstaging response, being a person of no substance, only strategy and stunts.

But how we can trust Palin to potentially run our nation if she can't even be trusted by McCain himself to highlight a campaign for a few days shows how empty-headed he's become. She's whisked away from reporters as if they're about to, gasp, ASK HER QUESTIONS. (Oh, I forgot, they torture her, right?) That's indefensible, the shielding and protecting.

But McCain's vote of no-confidence in her merely taking over the spotlight till next week shows that she obviously can't handle an unscripted spotlight. So just how unscripted do you think the inevitable Palin presidency would end up being?

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I Don't Believe Bush Is Frightened At All
Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 25, 2008 5:52 AM   
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I think he is accomplishing exactly what he and his crooked party set out to do from day one of his stolen presidency - to destroy the social safety net the Republicans have hated ever since it was created by legally elected Presidents Roosevelt and Johnson. Now they want to steal 700 billion of the people's tax dollars for corporate wellfare and ignore the victims of their crooked business transactions! Such criminal arrogance deserves to be prosecuted, tried, convicted and sent to a federal prison.

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The Rove-Republican Ruse
Posted by: kmcd on Sep 25, 2008 6:14 AM   
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This is just the ongoing effort of the Rove-Republicsns to fleece the American people -- with the bigger goal of decimating our democracy.

Americans need to realize that Rove-Republicans DO NOT believe in democracy -- especially our democracy. America doesn't have just any old "democracy" -- it was literally set up not just adhere to the majority but to also protect the minority.

Rove-Republicans do not believe in our democracy and they have done everything they possible could over the last 8 years: they've built-up a big government (every department has ballooned under Bush); they've expanded Executive Branch powers more that we've ever had in our history; they've decimated individual rights and our state's rights; they started a war that is bankrupting our economy while fueling the coffers of their chronies; they've kept us dependent on oil; and they've trashed our environment.

They are doing everything that they can to get McCain elected -- even though his voting record is crap. He may have been shot down 40 years ago but his voting record in the Senate has been a nose-dive: McCain was voted the worst Senator in 2007 for his voting on children's issues by the Children's Defense Fund; he voted against establishing a holiday honoring Martin Luther King 4x (why?); he voted against increasing the minimum wage 19x; he voting against equal pay for equal work (stating that women needed more education even if they were doing the same job as men); voted against funding Head Start, against insurance for kids; against special education. Should I go on?

But the Rove-Republicans are using McCAin as a shill to get Palin in -- this election has never been about McCain for them -- they want Palin in there -- who is an extreme version of Bush.

And now -- $700 billion -- with no strings attached? Nothing in "security" for the American taxpayors? In fact, theie attitude is "How dare you ask for it! -- I'm the commander!"

This is the Fake Pass -- we're being duped. Do not trust them! They are robbing our children's and grandchildren's futures!

Think of our forefathers and their wisdom and boldness of heart -- channel it -- and then do everything you can to get Obama elected.

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A few bad apples?
Posted by: modeler on Sep 25, 2008 6:19 AM   
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And this from the worst rotten apple in the country?

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God damn racist America!
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 25, 2008 6:20 AM   
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My newspaper today had a front page story that said because of the economic crisis we're in, Senator Obama has a "slight" lead over the Manchurian Candidate and his stupid hockey mom running mate.

"SLIGHT"?

If Barack were white, he would have a 25-point in the polls. Minimum.

God damn racist America. And that includes the Obama bashers on AlterNet who are nothing but closet bigots.

God damn you all to HELL!

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Predictable
Posted by: jooljetkmae on Sep 25, 2008 6:23 AM   
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Yes, the world is going to come to an end if we don't give a massive taxpayer hand out to a bunch of thieves on Wall Street. Quick, pass this legislation without looking at it. We need to help Treasury Secretary Paulson and his Wall Street buddies get out of Dodge.

I knew they would use fear to try to pass this Wall Street hand out legislation.

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Damnocrats!!!
Posted by: vkobaya1 on Sep 25, 2008 6:38 AM   
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Damnocrats have alaready sold us out again. There is no difference in their plan and Bush's. They have no reason to let Bush panic us into a settlement this week. They aren't panicked, they are selling out as they expect to reap their own rewards from the $700 billion.

In deed, why no equity from the banks? Why no help for the homeowners who are being foreclosed on? Why continue to allow the balloon mortgages? Why no punitive measures against the banking executives who clearly have committed crimes? The Damnocrats will gain a few concessions and claim they have defeated Bush therefore he can have his $700 billion bailout, when, in fact, they have conceded and sold us out yet again. The truth is when they prosecute, convict and send to prison the Bush administration and Republicans, the Damnocrats have been totally complicit in these crimes and deserve to serve in prison in adjacent cells.

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I do not think bush is frightened at all!
Posted by: steven w on Sep 25, 2008 6:41 AM   
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I think he is simply doing the same thing as he did with starting the Haliburton/Iraq war. Just another way to strip the government and the American people of all our power and assets. He(and Cheney)are the most unpatriotic unAmerican people in the country.

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The Elites....
Posted by: Marlena on Sep 25, 2008 6:42 AM   
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want to live in a utopia created and maintained by the labors of others, while those same laborers get to live in a terrifying dystopian serfdom. It goes back to Nixxon, and for the past 40 years they have been dismembering our republic...traitors all...and what is the punishment for treason??

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Bailout me and I’ll set you free
Posted by: solrev on Sep 25, 2008 6:52 AM   
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The bailout is a done deal the question is just what the deal is going to be, and how to sell it to the American people with an election rapidly approaching. The rational floating out there is that without the bailout main street will be hurt. This is true, anyone with a 401 or retirement invested in the market or savings invested in the markets, owns some of the bad paper. Who is likely to get hurt the most baby boomers approaching retirement. I do not believe the bailout is aimed at main street, but it is an attempt to salvage the investor class. The purpose of the bailout, is to create a bubble so the investor class can limit there loses and escape. With the amount of money being proposed there are plenty of ways to make that money available for people and businesses without buying the questionable paper. The families affected by the loss of 600000 jobs this year are not looking for lenders. If we had good government, congress would be talking about bailing out the future and surviving present. That mind set would have a better chance of dealing with the root causes of the economic collapse. The main street bailout is going to happen also. If the root cause was mortgages then lets talk about mortgages or jobs or all of the above.

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Why not a tax on Wall Street to pay for it?
Posted by: IntnsRed on Sep 25, 2008 7:08 AM   
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It's clear that Bush wants to bully Congress into acting in haste.

If one assumes a "rescue" (bailout) for the banks is needed, Why not implement a wealth tax or a tax on Wall Street transactions to pay for it?

There are a myriad of innovative solutions that could be done. But the first thing Congress should do is to just ignore the lying war criminal who occupies the White House. Congress should take their time and craft something that will help all the American people.

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Why Bush was frightened on TV last night: NO leadership ability
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 25, 2008 7:08 AM   
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The following text was extracted from the nonprofit factual Bush-bashing Web site,
www.PhonyFighterPilot.com

It’s worth noting that George W. was the only National Guard pilot during the Vietnam War to be commissioned without any officer training whatsoever. He never attended a service academy like West Point, never took college ROTC, never went to Officers Candidate School and never served on active duty as an enlisted man.

So how did Dub-ya learn to be an officer? He didn’t. The only military training Shrub received prior to being commissioned happened during a six-week basic airman course, the equivalent of Army boot camp for privates. Even more absurd, while his fellow recruits marched, pulled KP and cleaned toilets, Airman Bush was given a week off to work for the GOP in Florida.

Later that year, 1968, when he headed off to fly Air Force trainers at Moody AFB, GA, 2nd Lt. Bush barely knew how to salute, much less lead men. And he didn’t learn the art in flight school, either. His time there was devoted to airmanship, not leadership.

Had Dub-ya earned his commission the old-fashioned way -- by working for it -- he might've finished his Air National Guard commitment honorably. More importantly, America wouldn't have attacked Iraq.

End of extract

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Dictator Bush
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 25, 2008 7:14 AM   
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LOL, He did give quite a "sell job" on TV last night didnt he. Not like it matters what the sheeple think anyways.

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MY PLAN FOR BUSH AND ALL CONCERNED
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 25, 2008 7:16 AM   
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George,no more speeches, please. Obama& McCain should go on with the debates. The Senate & Conress should CANCEL all vacations. We are facing 'dire circumstances'. Surely our current economic disaster is more important than vacation. Most Americans don't get real vacations anymore anyway. Time to update and get with the program. It's called productiity. Our military in Iraq doesn't get vacations in the true sense. Stay right where you are and hammer out the tedious details of what it will take to bring sanity to Wall St. For starters: Washington and Wall St. cannot be in bed together anymore! All golden parachutes given in the last year to executives who have contributed to the mess are to be re-paid immediately. Stan O'Neal, write a check for $160 Mil, now. Those payouts will add up to billions. End of year bonuses for 2007 alone were $11 billion. About the $700 Billion: provide us with itemized details. Publish this list and post it on the web. Print copies should go to all libraries and post offices and be made available to us for FREE. Mr. President, we will decide how scared we should be. And alot of people in Washington might find themselves a little uneasy when we know where all this money is going. This problem is not new and the sudden rush to throw a whole bunch of money at it so people can go on break is unacceptable. Meantime, put a few temporary rules in place for the stock market. The uptick and downtick rules, limit programmed trading and short selling. This would allow for uninterupted trading but will eliminate some of the reckless speculating. Everything is on the line and when you all get down to business, it probably won't take very long to come up with something that we can all live with. Then you can take your break. Thanks, ANNA

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Let them crash first they buy them out.
Posted by: reelectnoone on Sep 25, 2008 7:17 AM   
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Let the greedy bastards crash first. Then tell they you are going to buy them out in a hostile take over at ten cents on the dollar.

Welfare to the most wealthy in America? I think not.

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Our VOTE
Posted by: JohnJlws on Sep 25, 2008 7:18 AM   
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Regardless of anyone’s opinion of Barack Obama, anyone who votes for anyone in the President’s republican party of fiscal irresponsibility, disastrous deregulation and unfettered greed needs to have their brain removed from its skull and physically examined.

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Scare tactics...again...we'll we fall for it again?
Posted by: sean_christian on Sep 25, 2008 7:21 AM   
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President Bush has already run this country into the ground. However, it is becoming more apparent that he's really good at one thing: scaring people into submission. He scared all of us with so-called WMDs so that we'll agree to invade Iraq. Now he's doing the same thing. He's scaring the American people into approving the $700 billion to save these companies. One thing that's not being made clear is that these are private companies. Public funds should never be used for private interests. These companies took risky investments and initially made loads of money out of it. Now that they're sinking, they want more money? They already know that what they have is quite unsustainable so why should we put more money, public money, into them. I hope that the American people are much wiser this time around and will be able to see through President Bush's scare tactics. Fool us once, shame on him [Bush]. Fool us twice, shame on us.

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A Revolution
Posted by: JohnJlws on Sep 25, 2008 7:23 AM   
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The next time I make a mistake in my checking account and overdraft by a dollar and my $8.32 lunch ends up costing me a $35 overdraft fee and a $25 returned check fee and the $8.32, I believe I'm going to pull out my copy of the 700 godzillion dollar bailout, attached it to the overdraft notice, mark the notice "PAID IN FULL…FOREVER" and return it to these leeches who feed on the poor and middle class.

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Don't let fear win......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 25, 2008 7:25 AM   
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That the little Imperial one came on tv to address the public regarding this decision is just another hype! Does anyone remember the "mushroom cloud" scenario?! Well before we give in to fearmongering once again, let's have all the details. Congress needs to put the brakes on this rush job until many questions are answered and a few rules put into place! The following are just a few steps and questions that should be required before any money gets exchanged:

(1) Answers to why all $700 billion needs to be given up all at once?

(2) More, much more transparency from those firms seeking a bail-out!

(3) Re-institution of the Glass-Stegall Act!

(4) No Golden Parachutes!

(5) A bi-partisan over-site committee to make sure everything done is legal and proper!

(6) A life-line for those that are facing foreclosure in the form of renegotiation of the interest rates on those loans!

(7) A guarantee that these will be the only companies bailed-out!

(8) Any profits for the next few years need to go to the smaller investors and any pensions that were involved!

(9) Re-regulation to ensure that these people can not repeat this!


While we would like to believe in the better nature of all Americans, these people are not Angels wings and all, flying on high, talking to God! Avarice is always present and needs to be kept in check! If they can not or will not agree to terms then let the "free market" have them!

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THE BIGGEST HEIST IN HISTORY
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 25, 2008 7:44 AM   
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Is the bail out timing a coincidence?

First Bush drains our economy buying expensive weapons for Iraq, and then a month before he retires he gives 700B to Wall Street.

Something STINKS!

BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM

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Have you seen this man?
Posted by: stellabloo on Sep 25, 2008 7:47 AM   
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Saudi Billionaire says See You Later to Wall Street

I just don't understand. I read about this trillion-dollar war of yours ... Now following the laws of conservation of mass all this money had to go SOMEWHERE.

Guessing some money went to payroll and insurance payouts but the majority went to armaments? And of course oil to run all those shiny new tanks and fighter planes.

Back to this guy - not that I have anything personal against the Saudi royal family - although he does regret the state of the US economy, he seems remarkably unaffected by the suffering of his brethren in, say, Iraq, Palestine, or Yemem. Judging from the interview, this guy is not in the habit of bankrolling charities.

I don't want to tell anyone how to live their life but imho 7 billion is a drop of piss compared to what's gone into the war. Especially since the War on Plants has morphed exponentially into the War on Terror. Where is the return on this investment? Gone back to Dubai or the Bahamas or such.

Btw it is entirely possible to hold an election using hand-counted paper ballots, premise being that if you screw up the 'x' beside the candidate's name, you don't deserve to vote anyway.

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who's your daddy?
Posted by: sumwoman on Sep 25, 2008 7:52 AM   
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From what i gather, almost 2 dozen people who hold very high positions in the American Government have Dual ISRAELI and American Citizenship, including the MONEY GUYS!

WHAT? you must be kidding me?
WHO?...tell me who?

watch this video on youtube
Missing Links 9/11

these are the faces you see everyday on TV.
They are in charge of your country,
and they have plans...big plans.

good luck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrRPmYBZRu0

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FBI is investigating.
Posted by: weslen1 on Sep 25, 2008 7:53 AM   
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It was announced over the last couple days that the FBI is investigating these companies. They make it sound like they just got involved. But I suspect that they've been involved for much longer than Bush/co would have us believe. That would explain the "urgency" AND the 32 words. Nip the investigation in the bud while protecting the crooks with absolute immunity from scrutiny of ANY KIND. That's how Bush/co operates. FISA, illegal wire tapping, torture, war, WMD, missing e-mails, destroyed evidence, lies and new cover ups every day.

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ANSWER THIS QUESTION !!!!!
Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 25, 2008 8:05 AM   
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If the 700 billion dollar bail out plan is passed by Congress and activated by the IRS and the Teasury Department, will there still be enough federal money to pay Social Security pensions and Medicare? Are millions of retired Americans about to be cast out onto the streets and roads? Are millions of low income Americans about to be denied medical services?

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Never even read the bailout proposal
Posted by: Hachino on Sep 25, 2008 8:10 AM   
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I love that as late as Tuesday John McCain admitted that he had not even read the three page proposal for the bailout. C'mon, I read it days before that, what kind of freaking president would this Ambien popper make?

Wake up, Snoozy.

3 freaking pages critical to every American citizen which a presidential candidate won't even bother to read? Guess he doesn't want the job too bad.

Suspend this - LOSER.

If they try to suspend this election We the People will light up this country with a revolution beyond their imagining.

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Letter to the Editor
Posted by: EdinIowa on Sep 25, 2008 8:10 AM   
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I see it clearly now. As soon as the Democrats have passed this 700 billion dollar bailout for Wall St, the Republicans will hold it up as a ‘LIBERAL Democratic Bailout for Wall St Billionaires. The Bailout will have only the minimal Republican support needed to insure it passes - watch how many of those who vote for it are not running for re-election.

That is why McCain wants the debate suspended until after the deal is done - so he can continue to be all over the issue. So he doesn't have to stand before the people and say, clearly, that he supports the bailout. So he can become a critic as soon as the deal is done.

This is the October Surprise – being rushed through Congress under the most dire of threats and engineered to allow the Republicans to paint themselves as the populists in November, contrary to all the evidence. (but then who looks at evidence anymore) It’s the perfect cynical plan. It allows the Republicans to present themselves as the defenders of the taxpayer’s dollars and to distance themselves from the very unpopular Bush.

It is a trap, laid for the Democrats, and they will no doubt rush right into it. They will be alone. The Republican strategy will be to run against this deal as soon as it is done and John McCain will be leading the charge.

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Lest we forget
Posted by: modeler on Sep 25, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Bush is the decider, LOL, the worst idiot has more brains than he.

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BELIEVE BUSH? GAW'ON - CRYING WOLF
Posted by: sallyride on Sep 25, 2008 8:18 AM   
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Interesting, the eternal, self-centered inept one who put America, and now the world, in this unbelievable position expects us to believe him? If that man has a shred of ethics, morality, honesty in his skin he'd step down, and take his VEEP with him. (Candi is a puppet, so she'll function as her strings are pulled.)

We are tired of being manipulated into action, into giving our lives, our children (military), our nation, our savings, our health, our elders, our disabled, our homes, our foods, our jobs, world peace, and our sanity to that man, while every member of congress played the game.

McCain, who had the opportunity to be a credible candidate, selects "Barbie" in drag as a silent puppet (in a Democracy, no less!) is also trying to manipulate American...his game failed at the UN with "her" - so he's trying to make US, "we the people" believe he's setting aside his campaign to settle our economic crisis, which he played a huge role in permitting, while he learns how to dump PALIN.

(TIP: put her out on her ROAD TO NOWHERE).

We are as gullible as those in Eastern Europe were in the 30s, and Sun Yat Sen was believing Stalin. BASTA.


NEVER RE-ELECT ANYONE - THAT IS THE NRA PERSONIFIED.

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I have a solution to the credit crunch
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Sep 25, 2008 8:23 AM   
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http://www.dailykos.com /story/2008/9/24/65914/3308/779/608414

I had to split the link or it would not post, so if you want to read this, copy and paste the link to your browser.

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Let's get real about the money market
Posted by: PaulK on Sep 25, 2008 8:59 AM   
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Banks have money markets because they want to make money. Does this make sense to everybody?

So, what happens when a bunch of America's biggest banks invest in Florida swamp land, and some of the other banks steer clear of the trap? You guessed'er, Chester! The first banks pay for their stupidity. Then the other banks want to make more money, so they start offering money market services. Doesn't this sound obvious? It's what happens in a free market.

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Draw the line on Regulations
Posted by: JSquercia on Sep 25, 2008 9:18 AM   
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These Lying SOB's JUST don't GET it . Those firms didn't find themselves in possesion of this Toxic Paper (you have to love the passive voice) they agreesively sought them out . It was LIES and GREED that created this mess .
We and in fact NO ONE has any idea what the underlying value of this stuff is .
We need MORE regulations even if the FIRST FOOL thinks it would hamper Economic Growth . He certainly has shown himself to be LESS than an Expert on the Economy . Remember he Kept telling us all along that the Economy was Strong .
We must review the whole operation of the stock market and perhaps even ban some instruments as NOT really Investments but rather simply gambling . I am of course talking about Derivatives which can strech far far out with people betting on whether an obligation will be met and then people betting
on whether that bet will be good . Leverage must be STRICTLY limited no more 30 or 40 times
capital .
The problem arose from the Republican attitude that Regulation is bad and somehow inhibits Business and in spite of the utter mess they have created they are STILL wed to concept . This Crisis is the DIRECT RESULT of their failed Free Markets Philosophy

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MCDooshBag's, as we speak, lies that invoke False fears
Posted by: common intelligence on Sep 25, 2008 9:29 AM   
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Mc Cain is calling the BAIL OUT a "rescue" as BUsh did yesterday.

Typical marketing spin.

Mc Cain just said if "we don't act" (the way "they want")
Credit will dry up and people will not be able to buy homes". (on credit that is!)

This is where the rubber meets the road folks.

The key word here is "CREDIT".
Credit is what causes the problems at the root.
Credit is what escalates the speed of the "Economy"
to expand and grow faster than the the system can manage it.
Now don't tell me that's not true because if it could be managed affectively at these break neck speeds the "managers" could handle problems before they arise.
As Naomi Klein says, "this is disaster capitalism" to a T.

"They" will argue Credit is what has allowed the nation to become and grow to what it is today....Arg.

SO I say , "it all leads to this friggin mess?
Deteriorating infrastructure, no health car, no retirement except for those that make continuesly 1/2 million a year, unaffordable medical care, not everyone can own a house but pay for ever, No social security, endless wars, killng , disatisfied family needs, a military state?

Credit my friends is the killer of America. It's a relentless cancer that sreads it's whoa into future generations not even born yet.
Credit is premeditated slavery. Credit is false hope that leads future regrets.

A nation that works at the speed of live will live strong and live longer. If a candle burns at both endsit will last half as long.
These are real understandings that do apply. Not just mythological
stories.

The leaders like to deal with systems as an after the fact knee jerk approach. Did you ever notice every gawd damn thing that is dealt with in this country is a "damage control approach and never a "preventative approach"? Hense the energy crisis, global warming, financial destitution, health care, social securuty, etc, etc.
Like what in the hell do we pay "think tanks" for? Oh, oh, war planning. sorry I forgot!

Mc Cain is a is an old fighter pilot, as he says. Quick to reACT. But what we need is a RESPONDsible leader not a reACTion based leadership.
(Fear based reactionary personal health management leads to and contributes to heart failure, heart attacks. Do you understand what I'm saying hear? DO you really what Sarah Paulson as the president?)

SO Big deal if "Credit dries up" (which it won't except through the mizer scrooge banking schisters) there will be money that circulates thru the people and their working efforts.
We will establish our own banks , like through Credit Unions.
The RAT race will slow to a speed of mutual equinimity with less stress! That means. You have to get off the super hiway and drive at a speed that will prolong you life, not put it at greater risk.

These are banking systems that run by the funds of the peoples savings and moneies. Oh, but then of course if the taxation system is continually taking money away from us to pay the ever increasing debts created by Bush's endless borrowing of trillions from other countries.well then those savings must be garded from being pilfered by the Fed.

The fed. is one of the major root problems of the whole system. They create $ from thin air. That's not credit even it's inflating the money base artificially which lowers the value of the dollar. ETc Etc Etc...

An economy will evolve without the BAIL OUT. It is not a rescue, for it won't change anything in my life nor likely yours. That's because most of us actually produce something in our work. Only the ramoras on Wall Street want to recue the shark they've been sucking up to.

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This is a $700 Billion stickup
Posted by: seekjustice on Sep 25, 2008 9:32 AM   
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I have lived outside the US since 1997. I've seen a stolen election in 2000; a 'False Flag' attack on 9/11 by criminal elements within the US military and intelligence circles,and manipulated election in 2004.

When Bush came into office his No.1 priority for the US economy was to open the treasury vault and hand our wealth over to the top 1% of the population.

Now these same crooks and criminals (bankers, defence contractors['Merchants of Death']et al, and politicians who do their bidding) who have destroyed America are saying give us $700B or the economy is toast.

Why should the American people give them a penny?

These people are a criminal element no different from the Nazis. They people don't wear uniforms, or swastikas, but they are criminals. Like the Nazis they came to power with criminal intent! They have committed great crimes, such as illegal wars, torture, renditions (abductions),tearing up the constitution,especially the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Eight Amendments to the Constitution while terrorizing the American.

What Messrs Bush, Cheney, et al do not want is to cede power. They fear prosecution,and right they should. If the our Justice Department will not take action to address the crimes, then the American people may need to form a posse of 200 million to track down those who really run this country, confiscate their assets, bring them to trial and convict them.

The wealth, money (assets) of the criminals who really run this country, (and their criminal politicians) would restore our fiscal house easily.

Their attitude toward the American people is 'let them eat cake', or nothing at all.
In 1789 the French people said 'enough' we must too, and it must be non-violent.

How many more must die in wars for these criminals??

The writer was a grunt Marine during the Vietnam War,and voluteered twice. He is finishing an LLM, specializing in international criminal law at the Universiteit van Amsterdam.

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The BIGGEST LOSERS in U.S. political history -- whether they win or not in November.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 25, 2008 9:44 AM   
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Old Man McCain and Stupid Sarah

Enough said.

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Fear is their Corporate model
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 25, 2008 9:46 AM   
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The only way Bush could sell this bailout bullshit is to scare everyone into thinking the whole country will suffer if there's a big drop on Wall St. Nothing could be further from the truth. Actually we need a few hundred Millionaires to fall on their faces. This economy is too top heavy anyway.
Make no mistake,this bailout is to take care of Party supporters and NOT the American public. Wall St. has'nt lost enough money to make a big impact on the rest of us. This is more misdirection and 'magic acting'. They want us to not pay attention to their corrupt asses so they can keep pulling the wool over our collective eyes.
We do have an option open to us...refuse to pay any more taxes!!! We should'nt be made to shoulder the burden of greedy assholes that stole most of their respective corporations money,employees' 401k's and our insurance premiums just to get a new $2000 pair of shoes or a new Rolls Royce. Feeding these jerks more money will only serve the rich not the People.
But then again the rich are the only American's that count..right?
This is just one more reason to disband this government. Bush think the Constitution is toilet paper,that the Union is only for the wealthy,that the Bill of Rights depends on how fat your bank account is and that laws only apply to the poor and working classes.
The People are fed up with this 'tilted' system. The rich should have no more rights than anyone else,but they do. The rich should not be bailed out by the government,but if your name is Trump,they will. " All people are created equal' states the preamble,we don't have to honor the preamble. Although I think if it's important enough to be said first,that makes it something to be honored and extended to all Americans. It is not.
For all the government is not, I charge them with not being the kind of governance that operates for the good of the People. It is an emeny government. The one millions of us had to swear an oath to remove as an enemy of the Constitution.
What this really is,is an attempt by the rich to bankrupt this Nation to the point that any program designed to help the poor,the workers or the middle class, will never happen.
For this,they need to be removed from office.
We got into this mess because of unchecked greed. We used to have a 'check' for this ailment. It was the 91% tax bracket on the rich. We need it back again. If you believe we never had such a tax bracket...you're too young to remember it.
This bailout is pandering to the greedy. Maybe what we really need to do is let these corrupt bastards fall on their faces. It would be less messy than the Revolution that will follow if this trend of kissing the wealthy's asses keeps up. They gave us our corrupted government,the War, the faultered help after Katrina,helped kill the aide to autistic children and created more homeless that the 'dust bowl' days.
Unless every citizen is getting a dividend from this bailout,it should'nt go through. But because these asses want to be reelected it will. 'Damn the Country save the rich' is their rallying cry,ours is a resounding 'Fuck you assholes!!!'
Save our Nation
Write-in Jeffrey7 (Smith) for Prez in '08

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one of whom will inherit the financial mess in four months
Posted by: vsargis on Sep 25, 2008 9:50 AM   
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I’d rather give these banks etc., a dose of their own medicine. Lend them the money at 30% interest rate and insist on repayment or risk nationalizing! About time the taxpayer was at the benefit receiving end rather than at the rip off end! Sick of having to bail out banks that do nothing to help the citizens!!!! The CEOs made enough on the backs of the working class, no bail outs for them! Let them get a job flipping burgers to support their families if need be. Send them to Iraq or Afghanistan, the Pentagon gives signing bonuses... Then they will see how the other side lives. I have no sympathy for them. They certainly have none for the working class or else they would not be fleecing them.

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Good God We Need A Revolution! Sharpen the Guilotine!
Posted by: johnbradleycopeland on Sep 25, 2008 10:27 AM   
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Does anybody else understand that we could give EVERY AMERICAN over $2,000,000.00 (TWO MILLION DOLLARS) rather than spend $700 Billion on WALL STREET. I say let WALL STREET B U R N!!!!!!!!!!! Those who oppose should go directly to the Guilotine!!!!!!!! Our government is a lie!!!!!!!

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I like how Bush is promising "we'll get MOST OF the $ back"
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Sep 25, 2008 11:08 AM   
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USA = the 4th business Bush has personally run into the ground.

jdfu!

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bailout?????
Posted by: gluck7104 on Sep 25, 2008 11:22 AM   
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I just can't wrap my brain around the concept of 'bailing out' How is it that when the US is in huge financial debt, can we then put more money, towards an already immense debt? Where does that money come from? When I am in debt, NO ONE will extend more credit! Does it bother anyone else that our largest loans are to China? I think this whole business is beyond scandalous!!!!!! Who the hell believes that we have not already gone into recession and are at least on the periphery of DEPRESSION. Do we just enjoy being decieved?

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ammended comment about loans
Posted by: gluck7104 on Sep 25, 2008 11:27 AM   
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...excuse me, I stated that our biggest loans were'to china' I meant IT bothers me Greatly that our biggest debts are to China! I mean I was/am so friggin UPSET!!!!

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SSI
Posted by: gluck7104 on Sep 25, 2008 11:32 AM   
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They already are.....

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Today at five
Posted by: Beck on Sep 25, 2008 11:32 AM   
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Find a busy corner and join the rest of us. This is our chance to get loud and look nasty. make signs, but don't sit silently. The thing Republicans probably like best about Dems is this passiveness we've sunk into. If I head downtown today and find no one there, it'll be as bad as if McCain actually wins. It'll show that we only get mad, but do nothing about it.

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» Obama backs a bailout Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: Obama backs a bailout Posted by: Karl.Ben

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Should I make counterfeit dollar bills to get my money back from this bailout?
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Sep 25, 2008 12:02 PM   
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$2300 per citizen folks.

Half the public is downright opposed to any kind of bailout with the other half more or less willing depending on the conditions of a bailout.

Yet both parties will push this bill through congress and get it signed by the President and citizens come November will reelect these idiots with nary a second thought.


Is the only way a financially responsible citizen not going to get screwed is to counterfeit U.S. currency and try and pass it off at the local Exxonmobil or Bank of America?

$2300 per citizen, legally stolen from all of us to give to a few giant financial companies. Paulson was the CEO of Goldman Sachs and pulled $500 million from that gig. Goldman Sachs is one of the companies most likely to benefit from this bailout. You really think he wasn't thinking about his friends and former coworkers when he decided on a bailout?


There is no way in hell I am going to let $2300 be legally stolen from me.

I suggest all of us counterfeit money if this bullshit bill passes.


I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore.

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Letterman
Posted by: Dboy on Sep 25, 2008 12:20 PM   
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You guys watch Letterman last night? It was worth watching, since it was the night that McCain lost the election. I had not seen Letterman THAT brutal since his early days on NBC. Two bad calls by McCain in one week, and I don't think he'll recover from it. He no longer looks presidential, he looks like a cut-n-runner who can't handle the pressures of a crisis. He can't seem to handle a CAMPAIGN for president, much less the actual JOB of being president.

dboy

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BREAKING NEWS !! BREAKING NEWS !! CONGRESS TO BAIL OUT WALL STREET IN "INSTALLMENTS" !!!!
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 25, 2008 12:24 PM   
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Chrfistian Politics -v- Secular Politics
Posted by: Cathyc on Sep 25, 2008 12:33 PM   
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The system you have in America is a Christian Political one, which means the People (general public) remain infantilized and bow to their Tyrannical (sociopathic) "leaders" (masters, gods).

Secular Politics is where the People (general public) are responsible adults who cherish their freedom and are therefore actively engaged in the socio-political system. In other words, they are not conditioned by religious dogma which means their critical faculties are not damaged: they know when they are being lied to.

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The ONLY 32 WORDS that MATTER!
Posted by: weslen1 on Sep 25, 2008 1:03 PM   
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Look! If anyone in congress could read these 32 words in Paulson's proposal and still say Yes To A Bailout, not ONE of them deserves to remain in office.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

Does that sound like an emergency to YOU? This whole thing is another Bush/co SCAM. According to what I read THIS MORNING, the FBI has been investigating AIG since MARCH. So whatever's going on here is NO SURPRISE to any of them. Remember how we were all going to die if FISA wasn't passed NOW but Bush would VETO it if telecom immunity wasn't included? Remember how we would all witness a MUSHROOM CLOUD if he couldn't invade Iran NOW? Now it's this. Our country is DOOMED if we don't bail out the fat cats on Wall Street YESTERDAY, but Bush will VETO the bail out if we the people ask any questions or congress asks for any investigation or oversight as to how the money is spent or if the fat cats lose any of their "severance pay" or HEAVEN FORBID are asked to cough up any of their own money FIRST.
It's a SCAM to end all SCAMS.
It's time for another tea party. Taxpayer's REVOLT. If we don't pay they can't spend. For 700BILLION dollars, they could give each and every man woman and child in this country 2 MILLION and still have enough to "bail out" the banks, but with ALL NEW PERSONNEL.

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Free-market fundamentalism is a fraud - Milton Freedman burns in hell
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Sep 25, 2008 1:07 PM   
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I looked at my 401k just now, and have lost 25%.

Good thing I just graduated so I don't have much to lose to begin.

Shouldn't market be allowed to correct themselves? Shouldn't the banks that made bad bets ought to fail? Why should I be paying for the fraud known as Wall St!

But many of my fellow Americans still love McSame-Palin. Biden isn't any better.

At least, I have applied for Canadian residency, and will be leaving this mad house.

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» Quit while you're ahead! Posted by: Cathyc

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alannasser
Posted by: alannasser@harbornet.com on Sep 25, 2008 1:33 PM   
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Nichols asks Obama to be another Roosevelt. The irony here is staggering. Roosevelt created the New Deal and legitimized the idea that government intervention in the economy on behalf of working people is both morally and economically necessary. Obama, along with the Democratic Party, has jettisoned the New Deal and has joined the chorus calling for a return to "market fundamentals". Liberals don't like to think about this.

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Trying to figure out what this bailout means
Posted by: Dboy on Sep 25, 2008 1:40 PM   
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I've been studying the financial blogs the past few days trying to piece together the likely outcome of all this. First of all, this deal WILL get done, no matter what people think about it. The past few days was just theatre due to the fact we have an election coming. But as far as investments, finance, postioning a retirement, jobs, etc. Here's my current theory:

1) nobody knows if this bailout will fix anything, not even people who do this stuff for a living. Paulson doesn't even know.

2) this will not stop real estate prices from continuing to fall. Best estimates based on the charts, diagrams, financial models that people are showing say that the US real estate market will stop falling at the beginning of 2010.

3) unemployment will rise

4) wages will be flat or negative

5) prices will rise

6) dollar will fall against most currencies

7) big business will be generally ok because they are diversified in foreign markets. small business will be hurt

8) social security benefits look much more fragile

9) harder to get national health care going now

10) this bailout is theft


comments welcome. still trying to figure out what this means for investing.


dboy

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» From a Banker Posted by: JohnJlws

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Money is evil
Posted by: metamind on Sep 25, 2008 2:42 PM   
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We need a better way of living.

It leads people to think in terms of controlling others.

Steve Moyer
http://stevemoyer.us

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When Capitalism fails, try National Socialism
Posted by: dayahka on Sep 25, 2008 2:47 PM   
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I don't think Bush knows enough to be scared; he looks like a little boy caught with a dirty magazine. And this alleged plan is just the opposite of a solution: it simultaneously bails miscreants out of their folly and fraud, and completes the mission of national socialism, in other words socialism for the rich rather than the poor. I mean, who cares if a single mom or a working man can't buy food when the rich can't buy their 300-foot yachts? This is just business as usual, and Congress will bend over as low as they usually do, and the people will shrug and do their usual patriotic, biblical, sports, and TV entertainment song and dance.

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Can you say NO????
Posted by: marusasma on Sep 25, 2008 3:39 PM   
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Bush has got to go! I really think truth in advertising should apply to candidates, especially presidential candidates. McCain's is so full of lies, it could be funny if people who see it actually believe the lies.

I'm suffering because of the mortgage crisis. My credit is less than stellar and because of this, I can't qualify for an FHA loan. You know the loans that are for working class people?

I'm fed up with the deregulation. High interest rates that change at a drop of the hat, lending practices that leave a lot to be desired, these huge corporations that gobble up everything in sight so that there really is very little in the way of free enterprise these days.

Bail out Wallstreet? No. I'm not in favor of being taxed when the people who caused it line their pockets more. They got themselves into it, let them get themselves out.

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The Chimp... what a very small infantile pathetic brat
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 25, 2008 3:41 PM   
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A complete waste of space. I hope that his entourage holes up in a diner near here when the shitstorm hits.... I wanna be the old fart at the end of the counter who gets up and takes piss on the asshole's leg.

Rich Fuckers

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No Bailout to CROOKS on Wall Street
Posted by: thinkverybig on Sep 25, 2008 3:49 PM   
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All I hear is talk about bailing out Wall Street, those who are responsible for this mess in the first place but instead of bailing them out, let's try investigating and pursuing criminal charges against those who are responsible for this mess in the first place. The people who need bailing out is the average american and not just those with bad mortgages or who have foreclosed on their homes but those who owe student loans, credit card debt etc. Since we all have to pay for this mess, we all must reap the benefits as well. And let's not forget President Bush and Secretary Paulson not long ago telling the american people that the fundamentals of our economy were strong and now look where we are! Why are we not hearing the word "Impeachment" for Bush and seek a resignation from Paulson?

It's only the right thing to do at this time.

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Who is going to loan us the money?????
Posted by: EJW on Sep 25, 2008 4:17 PM   
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Who is going to buy those bonds? The Chinese, no - they just said they will buy no more US debt. The Saudis? - yea right.

Maybe the Oil companies could spare a few billion.

We're kaput, friends, busted.....

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It's the debate, stupid
Posted by: Jeanne on Sep 25, 2008 5:07 PM   
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I think McCain is foot-dragging on a compromise solution (not to say that not bailing out the banks might not be OK, anyway), so that he'll have a credible excuse for skipping the debate. I'm pretty sure he's been dreading the prospect of the face-to-face competition, and this is an excuse to delay it as long as possible -- maybe put it off altogether.

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What the Hell?
Posted by: jackyD on Sep 25, 2008 5:27 PM   
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Ultimately, our country could experience a long and painful recession -- sorry decider dude, that ship has already sailed.

McCain and Obama: the situation offers a chance for politicians to prove Washington's worth -- or worthlessness in this case. And this is the time to rise above politics for the good of the country -- Don't you mean for the good of greedy Wall Street players?

After having called, emailed and signed every petition that came your way, did anyone really think that this bailout wouldn't happen?

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"Paulson and Bush back McCain's Economic Rescue Plan"
Posted by: Gaubladt on Sep 25, 2008 7:02 PM   
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This may be the headline on tomorrow morning's news rags all over the country. In his plan, there will be no mention of a "bailout" of Wall Street. Whether his plan bails out Wall Street and calls it a loan or an insurance, or proposes something more populist in nature, I don't have a clue. Regardless, the Dems in Congress will have been had again. And, since most people oppose a bailout, McCain will be on his way to the Presidency.
The best way to counter this possible Republican tactic is for the Democrats to accuse Paulson and Bush of being part of McCain's conspiracy all along. Then, they would need to demand their resignations for playing politics during a crisis. Then, they need to declare that it is too late for a Wall Street bailout, and give that trillion dollar earmark to the people who need it the most. It should be in the form of loans ro retrofit our country for non-pollutng cars, and rebuilding America's bridges, roads, railroads, and Parks, and for public education, and for single payer health care. That is what will get this country rolling again! Then they should tax all executive bonuses and all salaries over $1e+6 to pay for it, They should also find a way to put a damper on the trading of mortgage and loan based securities. And, they need to impose strict regulations on the lending industry.

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A frightened Bush?
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Sep 25, 2008 7:13 PM   
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Bush isn't frightened. He and his advisors see another opportunity to steal from the American people for the benefit of himself and his friends so he tries to scare everyone else. I give nothing to Bush - not fear, not intelligence, not an effort for the common good. The man is a criminal and should have been in jail years ago. I believe Polson put that" no oversight" clause in there to distract our feckless Congress from realizing just how bad this bailout is. Well, I guess we're getting what we deserve because we elected those criminals and we're stuck with the damage they have created.

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RE: The Law of Return
Posted by: countingdaisies on Sep 25, 2008 10:38 PM   
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So, when will we ship them off? Maybe it won't be necessary if the stock market collapses. They will either jump out the window or flee to wherever their money is hidden.

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jlholly
Posted by: jlholly on Sep 25, 2008 8:17 PM   
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These guys won't be around in three months. This is the ultimate Golden Parachute. Thanks for the money, we're out of here. So long suckers.

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Adult supervision needed!
Posted by: WVG on Sep 25, 2008 8:35 PM   
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I'm sorry, but will somebody please stand up and provide some much needed adult supervision for our "elected leaders" and their cohorts. I just have one question: Is this bailout constitutionally viable to begin with, or is this just another poorly disguised criminal assault on our national treasure and sovereignty? The stench emanating from this whole debacle is just overpowering! Shouldn't we be punishing the guilty, rather than taxing the innocent?

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An animated film of the Bail out history...
Posted by: what0now0toons on Sep 25, 2008 10:14 PM   
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No way do I believe that there is a real close to depression crisis, this is the October surprise that puts a big fat dividend in their slimy pockets.
They created this mess almost thirty years ago when they, Regan began deregulating everything and undoing all that FDR had done to create a stable economy.
I did a short animated film about this history and it's implications today, here's the link on you tube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8arYlKgYws

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This is really great but what has it to do with the current crisis of late capitalism
Posted by: yellow on Sep 26, 2008 7:28 AM   
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Maybe we can kiss capitalism goodbye.

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Army Unit to Deploy in October for Domestic Operations
Posted by: HoboHomo on Sep 26, 2008 12:08 AM   
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From Democracy Now, September 22:

Beginning in October, the Army plans to station an active unit inside the United States for the first time to serve as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent thirty-five of the last sixty months in Iraq, but now the unit is training for domestic operations. The unit will soon be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. The Army Times reports this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The soldiers are learning to use so-called nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.

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wish i could read chinese, or that they could translate
Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 26, 2008 9:20 PM   
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nuff said

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RE: zhiliaoaizheng
Posted by: lil ole me on Sep 28, 2008 11:19 AM   
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I think its a collection notice from the Chinese, they want their money back. Anyone know any Saudis willing to lend us some money?

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Bush fables
Posted by: susy3c on Sep 26, 2008 7:50 AM   
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Bush comes before the American people, a cross between Chicken Little
and The Boy Who Cried Wolf, the moral of the latter being: "Nobody
believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!" Some versions
of the Chicken Little story have all her friends being eaten by Foxy
Loxy, after she led them on a fool's errand. Bush has Chicken
Little's part down pat and is that Paulson, playing the part of Foxy
Loxy, licking the blood of middle America off his chops?

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is this what Bush43 meant by shock & awe?
Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 26, 2008 9:18 PM   
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... or could this just be another planned payoff
to all his supporters before his time in orifice runs its course?


this imbecile that supposedly ran the FREE WORLD coined many such catchy phrases didn't he!

The one I think embellishes his time at 1600 Transylvania the most is "FLIP-FLOP"...
I hate that one word Bushism even more then when he flew his plane into that aircraft carrier... declaring "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"!
how obtuse!..
what a fake!!.
what a flake!!!

so this is how a lame duck ends his days...

I would surely love to see this imbecile/moron/idiot with his culpable henchmen face treason charges in a US courthouse!... US still executes for treason?

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WTF?
Posted by: lil ole me on Sep 26, 2008 10:33 PM   
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where in the hell is is the Justice dept in all this? why arent people being sentenced to serious prison time in all this? I dont give a shit if its a republican or democrat this is absolutely criminal. They want me to pay my hard earned tax dollars (YES IT IS MY MONEY) to pay up because some asshole didnt do HIS or HER job or deliberately thought it was OK to plunge this country (and the rest of the world) into an economic catastrophe by lending money to people who cant afford to pay it back (Ok i know im simplifying it) but Jesus fucking christ,(no offense meant to christians, but im really pissed off) this is absolutely unbeleivable, This was allowed to happen and yet did happen? I pay taxes (YES it is my money) to the government to protect me from this kind of bullshit. And the government failing to do its job expects me and my kids and grandchildren and probably great grandchildren to pay for this fucking mess. to the very people who created it??????
If Mccain wins this election, I swear to god im seriously going to look into moving into a third world country OH wait i wont have to will I? ill be living in one.

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Bryce
Posted by: bbandz on Sep 29, 2008 4:38 PM   
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How about a bailout for those who need it instead of for those who've created our economic problems? One million dollars for every registered voter in the the U.S. with an income of less than $200,000. Now THAT would really give the economy a boost!

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cyndyj
Posted by: cyndyj on Oct 1, 2008 3:58 PM   
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Anyway, here's a big stinker for you; and I need some quick investigative help and loud questions to be asked. This should be a factor in our Senator's decisions today regarding the bail out deal. Here's what I just e-mailed and faxed to Senators; including John Ensign, as seperate e-mails (This is Ensign's copy) : URGENT**** Per your Vegas office, I am sending you the web address to the website for the Las Vegas Real Estate Brokerage tied to Frank Raines: http://prosofrealty.com/ Also, Google Farrah Gray and Frank Raines, and Ronald Branch and Frank Raines for more links between them. I believe the evidence I am collecting shows that Frank Raines was funneling the Fannie and Freddie foreclosures to this group to list for resale. I talked to a broker who worked there briefly. He heard their names mentioned, but more importantly; the commissions paid to the 'brokerage' were maybe 3% of the sales price, but the sales person or selling broker only got maybe $1,500 or less. The brokerage was then funneling the money back to the owner/investors. There is a shell company in the middle, but I am picking up ties to Raines all along the path. One thing I am, is persistent. Don't vote yes on this bill today, Senator Ensign. There is a tie between Frank Raines and this company, and it will blow up this topic shortly. Any one of our politicians who votes yes to this rescue bill today is going to look as though they didn't look hard enough at the details before they voted. You can't vote on this without knowing the facts. You need to say that you are not voting for a 700 Billion dollar or more bill to taxpayers without all the information. Also, I talked to a broker who was working there. He said that basically, this gave Freddie and Fannie execs a reason to foreclose, secretly. They made more money this way, taking these houses back and selling them via these shell brokerage groups; rather than working with any borrowers. This bail out bill profits these lenders even more. Many were complicit. I've had the misfortune of looking some of these people in the eye across the negotiating table in the last few years. They did this on purpose. I can promise you, my tax dollars won't pay for this. I don't care if I have to cut my income by 50%, because it'll only mean a reduced net of 10%, I pay so much in taxes. But, at least I know I'm not working to pay off their FRAUD. I can get a home loan today, my kid just got student loans 30 days ago, and this is a lie about the credit crisis. If someone is creditworthy, can show the ability to financially handle the repayment, and has a downpayment, they can borrow. I'm not handing anyone a fresh shovel; least of all the people who got us into this in the first place. And, Main Street has been paying for this for two years. We've already figured out how to live beneath our means, save, not use credit, and survive. I'm not buying that these poor, poor fraudsters need me to give them $700 billion.

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What kind of person would…
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 25, 2008 12:24 AM   
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Piss off his fellow high school students to the point they nicknamed him “Nasty.”

Blow four years of free education at the U.S. Naval Academy and end up fifth from the bottom of his 800-midshipman class.

Fly Navy jets recklessly instead of professionally and crash five planes.

Sell military secrets to his captors during the Vietnam War for hot coffee and cigarettes.

Cheat on a wife who spent nearly every waking hour for five years trying to make his POW experience easier for him.

Jump into bed with S&L executives in what became known as the “Keating Five” scandal.

Maintain close ties with lobbyists his entire political career and then claim he didn’t.

Betray MIA families by shutting down a Senate Select investigation into the fate of U.S. airmen missing in action during wartime and sealing their DOD records.

Flip flop on virtually every major campaign issue.

Lie about his opponent again and again.

Pick an ignorant hockey mom beauty queen to be a heartbeat-away commander-in-chief.

Finally, what kind of politician would duck Friday night’s televised presidential debate?

A born LOSER, that’s who!


John McCain--OLD ideas, OLD solutions, OLD lobby connections
For more reasons why JM should not be president
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32 Words...
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Sep 25, 2008 12:31 AM   
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Dirty Secret Of The Bailout: Thirty-Two Words That None Dare Utter…

The 32 Words...

“Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are
non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be
reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.”


If you do not understand the import of those 32 words, then follow the link.
 

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Fear ye, fear ye, fear ye!!
Posted by: talkville on Sep 25, 2008 2:14 AM   
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Beware the ad which harks: "Act now, this offer is limited; if you order now you also get... ."

Incited to fear, individual will act in extremely irrational and spontaneous instinctive ways. And if it's so that these +/- 5% of our populace, who got us here in the first place, are actually feeling fear themselves, all the more reason to get this so-called 'proposal' out into the light completely. Good to remember: a whole lotta people are gonna be inside those "bail-out" buckets as they're emptied out over-board. Then there's that other meaning of 'bail-out'; that meaning that refers to the quite discreet and well-packaged and loaded exit being effected by those thieves, scoundrels and gamblers now proposing it.

No fear!!

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Eat my fear
Posted by: MRS13 on Sep 25, 2008 2:24 AM   
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This speech was a first-degree application of FDR's famous statement "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself".

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Detention Centers and a postponed election?
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Sep 25, 2008 2:50 AM   
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Since Bush has commissioned the military, starting October 1, to put down any civil unrest, could it be that the election will be postponed and marshall law be declared if the financial mess the US is in worsens? It is just a fear of mine, but I find the events currently underway quite a bit out of the ordinary.

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Lets feed the rabid wolf...
Posted by: cordas on Sep 25, 2008 2:59 AM   
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1st of all.... does anyone actually believe that Wallstreet would take the 700 billion and then make the changes it needed to make sure it didn't make the same mistakes...

I think they would take it and pi$$ it up against the wall.... and 3 months down the line we would be in exactly the mess mess, except this time the actual people paying tax would be worse off to the tune of 700 billion....

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Stuck If We Stand, Shot If We Run
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 25, 2008 3:16 AM   
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We risk a cascade of wiped-out retirement savings, rising home foreclosures, lost jobs and closed businesses no matter what we do.

It's just a question of whether Wall Street is going to pay it's own way or go on life support at taxpayer expense.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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NO CASH FOR WORTHLESS PAPER!
Posted by: Peter Mackrael on Sep 25, 2008 3:27 AM   
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There is no need to reward investment banks for their reckless behavior. Here are two recommendations for your consideration.

1. There is no need for the federal government to buy any derivatives paper - this paper is absolutely worthless and should not be purchased by the government! If Congress is convinced that a cash injection is needed (and I am not convinced), there are at least three better alternatives: provide credit through an existing bank that was not involved in this derivatives fraud/casino OR buy an existing bank outright and issue new credit through this bank OR create a new federal bank for this purpose. A new bi-partisan committee should be created to assess the need and to administer this activity. Let the investment banks and insurance companies that did gamble with derivatives fail as they should. There is no reason to bail out these irresponsible and socially harmful operators. This credit injection need not be the full $700 billion, but should be injected in small pieces to legitimate borrowers and only if absolutely needed.

2. Regarding homeowners facing mortgage default, these owners got in over their head by choice. They and their lenders chose to speculate in the housing market. If they believe that a lender defrauded them, they should initiate a law suit against the bank that gave them their mortgage. The federal government should not assume any responsibility for these mortgages.

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It's been done, it's been solved, it's been proven
Posted by: photon's feather on Sep 25, 2008 3:45 AM   
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Stopping a Financial Crisis, the Swedish Way

Congress can get all the answers and all the details from people who've been in the same predicament and worked it out swiftly and successfully. (Well, most people like it - but the pirates got hosed!)

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STOP The Horse Thief! Ride him out of Washington on a Rail!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Sep 25, 2008 3:56 AM   
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No 700 Billion Dollar Parachute for the Cor-pirate King!
King George II
The Lame Duck goes Spies,Quack, Lies,
Quack! Quack! Quack!

GO Directly
To JAIL!
No collecting 700 Billion!
George W 4 Wrong Bush
Finishes 1st at something?
In a Race,
To Disgrace.

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Oh so Many 'Coincidences' - Soo many LIES
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 25, 2008 4:02 AM   
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Call me a skeptic, call me Jaded...
but as soon as W. Or Mac start telling people to be frighten I think they are behind whatever they are trying to freak US out about.
So Rick Davis's Lobbying firm was still taking payment from Freddie Mac- as recently as last month...Ever heard of 'insurance Fraud' ya Know when some business guy torches his store to get the insurance.
What makes me even more suspecious is that apparently Paulson had that 'Extensive' 2 1/2 page Ransom letter written 6 months ago- and waited until the last minute to try and extort the money from congress- "You Got 2 days"
Hmm lets think about the last few election cycles- what major 'Threat' reared it's ugly head around those times.
I'd love to know What W's rating were last night- I turned him off and watched 'Moster Quest' about short nosed Bears- far more Believeable than this 'Chuckie' doll behind the podium.
Mac not only has his criminal Ties to the Banking organized Crime Synidicate, bu the is also the LIAR who brazenly 'leaked' the Anthrax came from Iraq (after it had already been determined it was from Our Stock!)
Since both these TRAITORS are screaming 'Bailout', Then We must do the exact opposite.
If there is aloan taken out from some Foreign Loan Sharks- take it out and sendChecks to every American Household. WE will get the economy working again- Bottoms Up Economics, A TRUE Free market system. 'Shit Rolls Down Hill' is the tactics of Monarchies and dictatorships.
Send Me $10,000 and I'll pay my mortgage, my car payment, my credit cards, my utilities and have maybe enough to by a modest 'Luxury' for myself. Save the Banks- save the ones who's payments support the banks- Logic!
Before last night I actually beleived this was a Crisis, Now I KNOW it's a 'Confidence' scam!

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DID YOU SEE THAT SPEECH???
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 25, 2008 4:04 AM   
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My goodness! It looked like the half-witted little thug was making a hostage tape. In a very real and ominous way, he was indeed making a hostage tape. The only problem is that it's you and I who are being held hostage....

"It's mah way er the hahway"

Here's a prediction for you, kiddies:

One January 20, 2009, George W. Bush will be nowhere to be found. He wouldn't dare subject himself to a thirty minute, thundering ovation when President Obama takes to oath of office, so great will the joy be to be finally free of the oaf of office.

Did you ever envision your once-great nation falling this low? I sure did! Everyone with a sense of the history of the United States did as well.

It's almost a cliche` by this point but so true: Franklin Delano Roosevelt saved capitalism by temporing its excesses. The regulations and safety measures his administration put into place over seventy years ago in order to moderate the marketpalce worked beautifully for half a century. Then in 1981, a curious thing happened. For reasons I've never been able to figure out, the American people foolishly decided that sending a feeble-minded, failed "B" movie actor to the White House was a really neat idea. Ronald Reagan proceeded to dismantle the New Deal and by 1987, we had our first stock market crash in almost sixty years.

"Government isn't the answer to our problems. Government is the problem".

Of course it is. One good thing happened this week. The so-called "Reagan Revolution" is deader than Ronald Reagan himself. Thank heavens for these small blessings.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Bush=Truman? Have Another Sip!

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No help for speculators and brokers
Posted by: rommeytx on Sep 25, 2008 4:06 AM   
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No help for speculators and brokers. Derivatives are worthless papers and should be responsibility of the issuers to honor them. Congress should only engineer a package to help owners of homesteaded properties in distress, to buy their mortgage, and renegotiate it offering them an interest one percentage point above the Fed's rate for banks. Investment real estate need not apply.
Shame on McCain for trying to use this as a photo op. I would suggest the FBI investigate the links between the corporations already under investigation, their lobbyists and Senator McCain. We might find the truth of this crisis...

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Echoing FDR
Posted by: mnissenson on Sep 25, 2008 4:37 AM   
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The only thing to fear are the fear-mongers, themselves.

Let's not fall for them, this time.

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But....?
Posted by: kindmuse on Sep 25, 2008 4:42 AM   
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Bush was just saying a couple months ago that we are not having an economic crisis? What happenned since then? why the sudden rise? Why aren't reporters, including Alternet, asking the right questions? Why isn't he being held accountable, instead of attempting to bail us out?

peace, and good luck.

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A few bad apples?
Posted by: social democract on Sep 25, 2008 4:43 AM   
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This all sounds so familiar. It's not the system that's corrupt, it's just a few bad apples on Wall Street. We must not punish them all just because of the actions of a few.

Yeah. Right.

Sorry, George. You're the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, ... we won't be fooled again.

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Said Bush: "We must not let this happen."
Posted by: LOVELYT. on Sep 25, 2008 4:45 AM   
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"WE" didn't! "YOU AND YOUR CROONIES" did. Please stop with the lies and arrogance already. McPalin should forfeit the race. They have become a circus. America is not a game to "REAL" Americans like myself. But obviously it's about lies and secrecy for the entire republican ticket and it's supporters. WE DESERVE TO HAVE THIS DEBATE AS SCHEDULED. McCain is trying to delay the inevitable. Plus, they want to cancel Biden/Palin debate all together. I think that is the real agenda here.
With republicans it's always a ploy, a fear tactic, a smear tactic, a mirage of what's really happening. Then, just flat out lies. I'm not only appalled by what is unfolding from that party. I'm offended. I'm no longer Moderate nor undecided. I'm voting Democrat. Possibly forever. This is a mockery.
I'm with you all the way Obama/Biden!
Straight talk=straight lies!

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Why is it....................?
Posted by: LOVELYT. on Sep 25, 2008 4:51 AM   
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They want SOCIALIZED DEBT but the profits are PRIVATIZED?
So are we Americans just prostitutes now?

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8 Long Years...
Posted by: Carol Burns on Sep 25, 2008 5:19 AM   
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I don't know about anyone else here, but a local talk show host whom I admire recently suggested that if you weren't behind the President's decision to go to war with Iraq after 9/11, you were somehow unpatriotic. Well, he may be right about a lot of things, but that ain't one of 'em! Like Barack Obama, I have opposed this President from the beginning, since day one that I heard he was running for office. Does anyone else feel like a "voice crying in the wilderness"? Time to IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!

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We Must Act
Posted by: LiveFree on Sep 25, 2008 5:25 AM   
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I didn't listen to the president's speech last night. For years I have not believed anything he has said so why start now. I did read a New York Times report and now Alternet's report.

Charles Krauthammer recently issued his assessment that the sitting president has the equanimity of Harry S. Truman. But George has told too many lies and publicly admitted to authorizing torture to be like Harry. I wrote my local newspaper earlier this morning also comparing Bush with Hoover.

Even Senator John McCain forgot George W. Bush was still president. He was too busy running for president to join Senate colleagues in hearing out administration officials defending the Bush bailout plan. His attempt to take center stage through a joint statement with Senator Barack Obama would be embarassing to everyone but a politician obsessed with gaining the Oval Office.

Yesterday's Washington Post reported a contrasting view of Senator Obama and campaign advisers working closely with Democratic leaders in Congress. The Jonathan Weisman report ably sets out the crisis within the context of the presidential election - and that allows us to reflect on a major political problem for our nation: how our politics have been all too often about gaining advantage and NOT on improving our country and the quality of living we share as Americans. We have lost the collective sense of the "common good" and forgotten our unique ability as Americans to innovate our way out of trouble.

I was heartened by Senator Obama's statement, "It is wholly unreasonable to expect that American taxpayers would or should hand this administration or any administration a $700 billion blank check with absolutely no oversight or conditions when a lack of oversight in Washington and on Wall Street is exactly what got us into this mess."

The dysfunctional part of our governing process is the relative lack of "government by, for and of the People" that makes our political system one of self-government. This disconnect between the people on Main Street and decision-makers in Washington, D.C. must also be fixed in the near future.

Not enough people stopped to ask probing questions when the Bush administration rushed off to a "war of choice" in Iraq. For that matter, not enough asked probing questions about his character and judgment before the presidential election in November of 2000.

More and more people now are asking probing questions about the state of our federal government, about the inability of Congress to make real progress in cleaning up the neoconervative disasters, and about the "real" state of our financial health both in regards to our government and our economy.

More and more people are asking questions about how airplanes crashing into the World Trade Center towers could cause them to collapse and fall into a deep hole in the ground. More and more people should demand Congress impeach Bush and Cheney and remove them from office the day before the next president is sworn in.

If 20 million people telephoned/faxed/ emailed/wrote their representatives in Congress to say NO to this bailout do you think Congress will say NO to the Bush administration?

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That's How The System Operates
Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 25, 2008 5:30 AM   
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Because McCain is so corrupt, he can be controlled. Even a reasonably honest candidate must seek funding to pay for publicity, so they become indebted to and controlled by their corporate financiers. If the people want change they need to replace the system at its core belief in, and subservience to, the power of money. They need a system where money is no longer necessary.

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The lion in the house
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Sep 25, 2008 5:38 AM   
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McCain continues to show leadership and Obama continues to follow. Experience showes every time!

Leave it to McCain to try to reach across the aisle and get something done, while the democrat congress sits on it's ass and complains and points fingers!

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Worst presidential speech, EVER
Posted by: Bastet62 on Sep 25, 2008 5:49 AM   
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What an oaf! If there's a run on the banks this week it'll be Bush's fault! A far cry from FDR's "..fear itself" speech. Bush actually wants us to panic, to live in fear perpetually.

A Wall Street bail out won't work to fix the economy - putting people back to work will.

The only thing Bush got right last night was his pronunciation. I guess the teleprompter was spelled out phonetically.

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A memo from McCAin to his staff was already leaked , telling the talking points of his new strategy
Posted by: Beck on Sep 25, 2008 5:50 AM   
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McCain's schedule today includes a visit with the wife of a British aristocrat.

Obama reached out to McCain early yesterday morning. I guess McCain felt he needed some type of upstaging response, being a person of no substance, only strategy and stunts.

But how we can trust Palin to potentially run our nation if she can't even be trusted by McCain himself to highlight a campaign for a few days shows how empty-headed he's become. She's whisked a