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Has Sarah Palin Been Picked as the Titular Head of the Coming Police State?

By Naomi Wolf, Huffington Post. Posted September 24, 2008.


Palin will help to establish a true and irreversible 'fear society' in this once free once proud nation.

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Please understand what you are looking at when you look at Sarah "Evita" Palin. You are looking at the designated muse of the coming American police state.

You have to understand how things work in a closing society in order to understand "Palin Power." A gang or cabal seizes power, usually with an affable, weak figurehead at the fore. Then they will hold elections -- but they will make sure that the election will be corrupted and that the next affable, weak figurehead is entirely in their control. Remember, Russia has Presidents; Russia holds elections. Dictators and gangs of thugs all over the world hold elections. It means nothing. When a cabal has seized power you can have elections and even presidents, but you don't have freedom.

I realized early on with horror what I was seeing in Governor Palin: the continuation of the Rove-Cheney cabal, but this time without restraints. I heard her echo Bush 2000 soundbites ("the heart of America is on display") and realized Bush's speechwriters were writing her -- not McCain's -- speeches. I heard her tell George Bush's lies -- not McCain's -- to the American people, linking 9/11 to Iraq. I heard her make fun of Barack Obama for wanting to prevent the torture of prisoners -- this is Rove-Cheney's enthusiastic S and M, not McCain's, who, though he shamefully colluded in the 2006 Military Tribunals Act, is also a former prisoner of war and wrote an eloquent Newsweek piece in 2005 opposing torture. I saw that she was even styled by the same skillful stylist (neutral lipstick, matte makeup, dark colors) who turned Katharine Harris from a mall rat into a stateswoman and who styles all the women in the Bush orbit -- but who does not bother to style Cindy McCain.

Then I saw and heard more. Palin is embracing lawlessness in defying Alaskan Legislature subpoenas -- this is what Rove-Cheney, and not McCain, believe in doing. She uses mafia tactics against critics, like the police commissioner who was railroaded for opposing handguns in Alaskan battered women's shelters -- Rove's style, not McCain's. I realized what I was seeing.

Reports confirmed my suspicions: Palin, not McCain, is the FrankenBarbie of the Rove-Cheney cabal. The strategy became clear. Time magazine reported that Rove is "dialed in" to the McCain campaign. Rove's protege Steve Schmidt is now campaign manager. And Politico reported that Rove was heavily involved in McCain's vice presidential selection. Finally a new report shows that there are dozens of Bush and Rove operatives surrounding Sarah Palin and orchestrating her every move.

What's the plan? It is this. McCain doesn't matter. Reputable dermatologists are discussing the fact that in simply actuarial terms, John McCain has a virulent and life-threatening form of skin cancer. It is the elephant in the room, but we must discuss the health of the candidates: doctors put survival rates for someone his age at two to four years. I believe the Rove-Cheney cabal is using Sarah Palin as a stalking horse, an Evita figure, to put a popular, populist face on the coming police state and be the talk show hostess for the end of elections as we know them. If McCain-Palin get in, this will be the last true American election. She will be working for Halliburton, KBR, Rove and Cheney into the foreseeable future -- for a decade perhaps -- a puppet "president" for the same people who have plundered our treasure, are now holding the US economy hostage and who murdered four thousand brave young men and women in a way of choice and lies.

How, you may ask, can I assert this? How can I argue, as I now do, that there is actually a war being ramped up against US citizens and our democracy and that Sarah Palin is the figurehead and muse for that war?

Look at the RNC. This is supposed to be McCain's America. But you see the unmistakable theatre of Rove's S and M imagery -- and you see stages eight, nine and ten of the steps to a dictatorship as I outlined them in The End of America. Preemptive arrest? Abusive arrest? "Newly released footage, which was buried to avoid confiscation, shows riot cops arresting and abusing a giant group of people for nothing."

Journalists were arrested -- for reporting. Amy Goodman and ABC producers were arrested. Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake and others were forced to lie face down as armed agents tied their hands behind their backs. The riot police wore the black S&M gear of the Rovian fantasy life and carried the four foot batons cops carry in North Korea. All this is not John McCain's imagery or strategy: it is Karl Rove's.


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Naomi Wolf is the author of 'The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot' (Chelsea Green, 2007).

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The truth about Sarah Palin
Posted by: pa0lagar1bay on Sep 24, 2008 12:20 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There is a huge amount of publicity about Sarah Palin and she’s definitely no typical woman. Yet there is a lot about her that people don’t know about.
www.dailysource.org
has a lot of evidence ...
the most comprehensive page of information on Sarah Palin on the Internet ... including videos of her saying the Iraq war is a "task from God," stating her proposed $30 billion pipeline is the “will of God,” and that a month ago that she doesn’t know what the vice-president does. Also her recently praising the biggest pork barrel spender in Congress -

http://dailysource.org/palin

It has in-depth research, audio clips, videos, excerpts, and links to hundreds of articles, including many from newspapers and TV stations in Alaska. It has rare footage you won’t find anywhere else, including her telling the ‘08 convention of the Alaskan Independence Party, whose aim is to give Alaska a vote on seceding from the U.S., to “keep up the good work.” The level of research is unparalleled.

The site’s editors and volunteers include an Emmy-award winning CNN reporter, the former operating editor of the Monitor’s web site, the former head of NPRs News Blog and the Executive Director of the Online News Association -

http://dailysource.org/about/team

Americans have the right to know more about anyone who might be a heartbeat away from being president.

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I only have one question
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 24, 2008 12:25 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Where is the best place to live in Canada?

I was thinking Victoria, BC. What do you guys think?

John McCain--OLD ideas, OLD solutions, OLD lobby connections

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Ray Bradbury She's Not
Posted by: edgar1 on Sep 24, 2008 1:42 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There is no hard evidence that Palin(of all people) is plotting a police state, or is the heart of a conspiracy by Rove, who now is making big bucks at Fox. Naomi Wolf is really a bad science fiction writer. Or a mole for the Republicans.

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» RE: I don't agree Posted by: leTerrassier
» RE: Semantics. . . Posted by: peacefullaim
» Hard Evidence? Posted by: EinMD
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GIDGET GOES TO BERLIN
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 24, 2008 1:53 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Open up your window. Look out on the econmomic carnage of your once-great nation. Although there are more than a few Democrats at whose door the blame may be placed, remember this one undeniable fact when you cast your vote on Election Day: it was the Republicans that did this to you.

Did you see Sarah Palin at the U.N. yesterday? I was once shown on CNN shaking hands with Gerry Adams. That did not make me any more verse in foreigh policy than I already was.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Bush=Truman? Have Another Sip!

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» X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE
» Palin makes me feel ill! Posted by: donl51
Naomi Wolf you are wrong
Posted by: scienceisnotconsensus on Sep 24, 2008 1:58 AM   
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Naomi Wolf you are wrong. You are right in thinking Rove is behind this as others have said he is running McCain's campaign. You are wrong in thinking this is being done to get McCain-Palin elected. It's not. Think. Do you really believe if you think about it that such obvious measures such as those taken so far done in the open could possibly be the result of anyone even even remotely competent and committed to achieving their goal of getting McCain-Palin elected? It's being done to get Obama elected by a landslide and don't think that's a good thing. Without as landslide Obama cannot have a mandate. And then the fascism starts. The fascism of Zbigniew Brzezinski with the mandate to push through all the policies of a new tyrannical state and his plans to "divide and conquer" Russia and China, the only two superpowers that canstand in the way of reshaping the middle east and it's energy resources for the Anglo-American-Isreali empire.

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» RE: Naomi Wolf you are wrong Posted by: scienceisnotconsensus
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» Uh no Posted by: EinMD
» RE: Uh no Posted by: scienceisnotconsensus
» RE: Naomi Wolf you are wrong Posted by: theatremetropole
» RE: Naomi Wolf you are wrong Posted by: scienceisnotconsensus
» RE: scienceisnotconsensus, IS STEVEN COLBERT!!! Posted by: scienceisnotconsensus
» RE: Naomi Wolf you are wrong Posted by: motamanx6
Pathocracy Now
Posted by: starsailor on Sep 24, 2008 2:18 AM   
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Naomi is spot on with her observations. I see this happening too.

I've been helped by understanding Political Ponerology. This is a branch of psychology that brings together biology, sociology and politics to reveal the scientific method behind the madness. Ponerology was born out of the ashes of WWII and the subsequent totalitarian experience of the USSR.

There are basic facts that all people of conscience need to grasp, fast. 6% of any given population are born genetic psychopaths. Bu then why do some fall under their spell and other not? The vast majority of 'paths remain undetected as they manipulate and plunder their way through human relationships consuming our emotional and financial energy. In this sense, they are 'successful'. They insinuate themselves into networks throughout society by sharp observance of our behaviour and mimick/act to get what they want: power over others - in fact, the pinnacle of achievement for a psychopath is TOTAL AND RUTHLESS DOMINANCE OVER 'THE OTHER'.

Political Ponerology expands this dynamic out onto the societal scale to explain that periodically a concentration of psychopaths (thanks to negative selection - think 'Old Boys' Network' taken to its extreme) coalesces 'at the top' to form a 'Pathocracy' wherein 100% of key positions of a state are run by people who have a permanent and incurable deficit in their worldview.

The USA is a whisker away from this becoming an open reality. Things will turn nasty. Americans must realise that their leaders are not really at war with an maginary 'Al-Qaeda': they are at war against Americans. The unwinnable wars are a diabolical strategy to kill off strong males that might get in the way of the 'Paths' conquests at home.

How whave they done it? Through religion. Chris Hedges and Katherine Yurica have done great work to chronicle the rise of 'Dominionism'. Palin comes out of 25 plus years of programming that told her that she must be one of the 'Regents of God' who would take control of the planet at the end of times, in order to 'keep everything on ice' for Jesus, who is apparently on his way. Check out the Council on National Policy, the true power centre behind the GOP, from where Fundamentalist Christian ideologies like Dominionism were wedded to the financial elite through Pat Robertson and Ted Haggard. These men have long railed against the non-believers, warning that God would punish the sinning majority - now their dream is real.

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Big bad wolf
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Sep 24, 2008 2:43 AM   
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Like the republicans do to the democrats, the dems do to the repubs.. The sound bites are out of context and totally misleading as is this article.

Granted Huffington isn't know for accurate or even unbiased reporting, but to suggest or compare Palin with a dictator is like saying Obama hangs out with criminals...

Why aren't we saying the same thing about Obama - like he's delivering America into the hands of the Muslims - about as true as Huffington's painting Palin as this great monster.

So how can Palin go from just a "weak women" who knows nothing as the left likes to portray her to this powerful rightwing icon bent on taking over the country.

Is America really afraid of a women in real power who can draw "Obama sized" crowds. Now imagine if the media loved her without ever asking her questions - Obama like interviews!

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World outside America
Posted by: jolanda on Sep 24, 2008 3:15 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As an Australian I was absolutely horrified that someone like Sarah Palin could even be considered suitable as a candidate for Vice President. Even if half of what Naomi says is true, then if elected the McCain/Palin combo will drag America into the dark ages and us(Australia)with it. I don't know if anyone has noticed the similarity between Rebublicans and the Nazi party before ww2. Listening to Palin is very much like listening to one of Hitlers rants.
You guys have got to stop this nightmare!!

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Get a grip
Posted by: Derek Maddox on Sep 24, 2008 3:23 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Wow. Just, wow.

It's been a while since I've read such a perfect example of taking information out of context and spinning it into a paranoid rant. I'm sure when Naomi sobers up, she'll be embarassed by the "they're out to get me" tone of this ridiculous article. She manages to drag out every bogey-man of the loony left and concoct a scenario in which every one of them is out to get her, personally.

No one was arrested for "reporting" at the RNC. Amy Goodman and her crew were arrested for trespassing. If they'd stayed on the proper side of the fence, they could have reported all they wanted. If they wanted to be inside the building with the respectable journalists, they could have applied for credentials.

As for the black-clad anarchists, a quick scan of left-wing web sites (such as Portland Indymedia) will find post after post from these lunatics proudly proclaiming how they broke windows and otherwise caused havoc in Wisconsin. I'm sure there were some police infiltrators and informers in the crowd. It would be irresponsible of the police force to not do that. But the idea that police officers linked arms and marched down the streets of their own city breaking windows and vandalizing cars is a ridiculous notion.

As is the notion that Karl Rove personally tells the folks at YouTube (owned by Google, not known to be sympathetic to right wing political causes) what they can and cannot show. Gimme a break.

And the Post Office losing mail? Whoever heard of such a thing. Good God, Naomi! I consider it a minor miracle when my water bill shows up on time each month. And in many neighborhoods around the country, even nice suburban neighborhoods, mailboxes are regularly raided and mail opened and checks stolen. Relax, you're not being picked on by Dick Cheney. You might be an easy mark for your local scam artists, but Dick and Karl have nothing to do with it.

Naomi Wolf wants to be taken seriously as a credible journalist and writer. It is this kind of paranoid screed that stands as a barrier to that credibility, revealing her to be just another lunatic on the fringe.

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» Delusional! Posted by: Ethical1
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Then WHY is an ACTIVE DUTY UNIT being DEPLOYED for .....
Posted by: Turiye on Sep 24, 2008 4:10 AM   
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DOMESTIC OPERATIONS????

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Were the arrests and other police violence at the RNC a sign of things to come? Will we see another Kent State massacre?

From Democracy Now today (9/22/08)
Army Unit to Deploy in October for Domestic Operations
Beginning in October, the Army plans to station an active unit inside the United States for the first time to serve as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. The 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent thirty-five of the last sixty months in Iraq, but now the unit is training for domestic operations. The unit will soon be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. The Army Times reports this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The soldiers are learning to use so-called nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now WHAT do you all have to say? Whom will go first? Since when does a Governor meet with Heads of State at the U.N.?

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» RE: Or when something happens to Obama? Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
» RE: Or when something happens to Obama? Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
» watching TV? Posted by: amadax
The Fake Pass
Posted by: kmcd on Sep 24, 2008 4:13 AM   
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We are in the middle of a fake pass -- the Cheney forces never wanted McCAin -- they wanted Palin in from the start --

Don't you folks get it? These people have systematically been decimating our Constitution for the last 8 years. They DO NOT believe in our democracy -- they want a dictatorship.

Remember Mussolini was elected in a democracy.

This shit is happening.

Do whatever you can to get Obama elected -- for our children's sake if not for your own.

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» Wexler's a good guy, too Posted by: smadaj
I sense a New American Civil War.
Posted by: Blacktiger on Sep 24, 2008 4:23 AM   
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The way things are coming about I can see it happening. You will be told to stay within your home from 9 PM to 6 AM then go to work like a good little slave sheeple, pay your "ILLEGAL" taxes to the MAN, and swallow your anger or you will truncheoned down, BANG BANG on your head. How dare you have a thought that you are free!!! You work, you pay your taxes or go to jail HAH!! have you ever been had! Yet you stand there in that arrogant stance and think, Oh ya I'm American, I'm free!!!!SURE YOU ARE!!

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» I'm free.... (?) Posted by: amadax
The trolls are out in force today
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Sep 24, 2008 4:33 AM   
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The truth must really be getting under their skin.

Trolls: Palin is a tool, like Bush. Dumb as a rock, but easily manipulated. And a power-hungry narcissist. This is an animal-hating religious fundie completely out of touch with mainstream America who operates in secrecy, uses yahoo to conduct state business, surrounds herself with loyalists (so as to keep her from hearing constructive criticism - just like Bush) and uses her office to settle personal vendettas.

Derek Maddox did you even READ Wolf's post? Having money disappear from her bank accounts, having her email and regular mail tampered with is not all in her head. She's not loony. But because you are too afraid to handle the truth, you attack the messenger-victim that it's all in her head.

Boy does Rove love people like you. Keep your eyes closed while YOU allow them to destroy the Constitution.

It was proven in NY and Seattle in court, that agent provocateurs disguised themselves as anarchists and attacked police. Then the police made a show arrest of it. If you bothered to educate your sorry-ass selves, you would have known this.

The right-wing has two factions: the super-rich and the lowest common denominator. The LCD are those who do nothing while a corrupt government erodes everything their country stands for. Those who side with the shredding of the Constitution. Authority sycophants with rocks for brains and a desperate desire to remain ignorant.

The ones who stood by while Hitler slaughtered the Jews. That's who you are.

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wow!
Posted by: Philor on Sep 24, 2008 4:50 AM   
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Well, it looks like Wolf has rallied the rank of conspiracy theorists.

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Cabal? You Wanna Talk CABAL?
Posted by: johnjmccarthy on Sep 24, 2008 5:16 AM   
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http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/

None of the candidates stands a chance. George and the Boys have seen to that with the flleecing of what we thought was our financial wellbeing.

Just read the book and get a grasp.

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I wonder if they'll wait for McCain to expire of natural causes
Posted by: Jasonix on Sep 24, 2008 5:49 AM   
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It was obvious from the start that Palin is the true presidential candidate. People who say "Don't bother about Palin, talk about McCain" are missing the boat. The Radical Right, in both its oil company and psycho-Religious incarnations, has no future if they don't seize absolute power right now. Everybody knows now that we've passed the oil peak and we need alternatives immediately (despite some truly absurd oil company commercials I've seen on TV lately), and even evangelical Christians are abandoning the Religious Right as a monumental failure and thinking more about things like climate change and poverty. The only hope for the Right is to scrape together its disintegrating base for one last charge, aided by election fraud and a compliant media, and then end whatever pretense of democracy is left in our system.

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Just Watch The News
Posted by: loxias on Sep 24, 2008 5:55 AM   
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I was watching local news for all of 2 minutes last night, really by accident, and as they were going to commercial, the anchors, one male one female, mentioned the polls.
(I'm not making this up, was WRAL I think)

Anchor One (male), "Well, it looks like in today's polling Obama has taken a lead over McCain."
Anchor Two (female), (with a grin and a wink) "Well you never know, something could happen next month that could turn it all around."

It was totally said with the knowing expectation that there was a surprise coming. Which I doubt had any basis in reality. Obviously they aren't going to know anything. Regardless, it was chilling. The implication was, relax, we're in control, and if you'll just let things work themselves out, we'll take care of you.
Those people scare me. Actually, a lot of things do these days.

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» RE: Just Watch The News Posted by: machvvv
Palin, the macho-pandering women, and the abandoned softball dads. Thank you Martianbachelor.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 24, 2008 5:57 AM   
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I came across a post on another site posted by Martianbachelor about women who actually want their men to be warmongers even when there is a soft side to these young men who want to say no. Now, I don't agree with him on everything against women but I have come across some women who are more macho-egotistical than even men and I came across this post that he wrote two years ago, long before Palin came up obviously. This got me to remember that there are so men who are just as moderate and liberal as many women in this world and yet both parties abandon these fair minded men. It's bad enough that not only can women wear everything men can wear and play all their sports and their own but men are restricted in terms of fashion and sports unless they want to be persecuted. Below is a description of the pro-macho women that pretty much explains why Palin "identifies" with them:

08-27-2006 08:04 AM

Re: The real reason
MartianBachelor

PANDORASBOX123 wrote:
Unfortunately the reason why we have so many problems in the world today is due to men trying to control and concur. We see this in the Middle East…

Hey, let’s perpetuate some stereotypes about the peaceful, loving, nurturing female and the violent, bestial male. Naturally I’m not buying it — plenty of women voted for Bush, and plenty of men didn’t vote for him. Probably the strongest and clearest anti-war voice in 2004 was Ralph Nader, and hardly anyone male or female voted for him. Go figure. [For the record, both my sisters voted for Bush, while my brother and I being in hopelessly red states voted for Ralph...]

“Contrary to many myths about man’s natural proclivity to fight wars, most … men do not make good soldiers. Most men have to be inspired to fight; if that fails, they have to be forced at gunpoint by their commanding officers. Numerous studies have shown that the average soldier is extremely timorous in battlefield situations and that he ‘regresses’ and reacts ‘passively’ under enemy fire. Obviously, as it often includes military obligation, the male role often requires certain kinds of discipline or indoctrination to put reluctant youths in the proper frame of mind.” - David Gilmore

There’s something else you’re missing. Women love these knuckledragging warmongers. I happen to live near an Army base. They’re the grunts and cannon-fodder — yes, there’s still a cavalry in the Army — the lowest of the expendable lower-class and working-class males. Since unlimited immigration has knocked the hell out of wages for unskilled labor, they don’t have a lot of good career choices. Quite a few haven’t made it back from Iraq. And you know what? Everyone of them has a wife. I see the stories on the local news as they trickle in. Yes, it may come as a shock but women actually want these Neanderthals, and what’s worse — they breed with them like mad! The same could be said for other thuggish and gang-leader types.

There are also quite well documented instances during WWII of women publicly shaming men who wouldn’t fight, goading them to own up to their male responsibilities to fight.

I’d also note that it was feminists who were raising a big stink before 9/11 about the Taliban in Afghanistan and what they did to women, effectively egging on the warrior types in this country to be “real men” and do something about it.

The more things don’t change the more they stay the same.

Maybe wars end when it’s the anti-war activists and conscientious objectors who attract the hot babe groupies. But I’m not holding my breath because I know that the average woman is just about as unevolved as the average man is. And when I go to the malls I can’t help but think we wouldn†?t be having all these resource wars if women would just stop buying so much STUFF.

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» RE: Maxpayne, nightgaunt Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
planning a vacation in Canada?
Posted by: twoten on Sep 24, 2008 6:49 AM   
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In 1933 physicist Leo Szilard was in his living room reading the newspaper. "Holy crap!" he said to himself. He jumped up and packed a suitcase and headed down to the train station. The station was practically empty, as it usually was for that time of day. He boarded a train for France and from there travelled to England.

Twenty four hours later, hundreds of Jews were at the same train station trying to escape the Nazis. But dozens of Nazi soldiers were there and no-one was allowed to leave. Szilard got out because he was smart enough and agile enough to see what was coming and to leave everything behind.

November is a beautiful month to come and visit Canada! Harvest fairs, colored leaves, it's very nice up here. Call your travel agent today!

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» RE: planning a vacation in Canada? Posted by: QuestionAuthority
TRAITOR & HERETIC in Lipstick
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 24, 2008 6:54 AM   
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So 'First Dude' is a successionist Ah?Strike One
So You are willing to destroy our national natural treasure to give Big Oil some more Profits..Strike Two
So you are willing to endanger not only our lives ,but the lives of future generations by increasing Global warming caused by Fossil Fuels..Strike Three
Not only a Natioanl Traitor, but A traitor to Humantiy.. Thus God who left us the stewards of this planet. To not only care for it now but to assures it's future for our descendants= Strike One
You feel pre-emptively striking Iran is a reasonable foreign policy.. which will result in innocent Iranians being Killed..Strike Two
You adhere to the Doctrine of End of Days/Armegeddon. You feel it is your duty to be a 'Warrior for God' and get the ball Rolling for The Almighty (ie Pre-emptively strike Iran). You Beleive you are the 'anointed 'Generation for the 'Rapture' and that Alaska will be the 'Refuge'. Since when does any 'Almioghty require the help of ANY mere Mortal..You are exceeding your 'Pay Scale' in your needless instigation of War and your Self appointed right to pass judgement or time tables....Strike Three

She and McCain are Traitors to this country, the World and God! 'God & Country' Which Ones? you both seem to be serving something Other than US or the One and Only True God!
"Could it be Satan?"

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McCain-Palin-Obama-Biden -
Posted by: PakiBoy on Sep 24, 2008 6:56 AM   
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whoeever wins Establishment wins!

So continue to bicker over non-issues.

Biden's credentials:
1. Engineered the 'War on Drugs Act' fraud
2. Engineered the Bankruptcy 'Reform' Act couple of years ago
3. Calls himself a 'Zionist' - works for AIPAC, like most American politicians.

McCain:
1. Earned his money the right way: he married rich.
2. Warcriminal: Bombed innocent civilians in Vietnam
3. Whore for the wall street bankers; involed in the S&L scandal.
4. Behind the deregulation policy started by Reagan.

Obama:
1. In the pocket of Wall Street bankers and lawyers.
2. Want to expand US warcrimes in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
3. In the pocket of AIPAC (who isn't really?)
4. Cashing in on being African-American, although he is more white than anything else.

Palin:
1. Epitome of a white trash.
2. Will be the perfect puppet for the Establishment.
3. At 44, doesn't have the common sense to use protection.
4. Doesn't have the common sense to teach responsible behavior to her kids.
5. Fundamentalist Christian who believes in Creationism, abstinence (how is that working for you Bristol?), charges rape victims to pay for the rape forensic kit yet has tax-payers pay for her tanning bed.

It doesn't matter who wins:

YOU LOSE AMERICA

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» You WISH, PakiChild! Posted by: NoMcCainPalin
» RE: You WISH, Hugh. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Yes, sadly you are correct :( Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: McCain-Palin-Obama-Biden - Posted by: Karl.Ben
» Projecting again, Karl? Posted by: GuitarBill
» How did that happen? Posted by: Karl.Ben
» Your mother was/is a Republican Posted by: GuitarBill
How Can We Help You?
Posted by: Urstrly on Sep 24, 2008 7:06 AM   
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Nevermind Sarah Palin. Naomi Wolf seems to be serious trouble here. We haven't been this close to a police state in a long time if her experience is any indicator.

A couple of weeks ago, I heard Laura Donohue, a law professor at Stanford, lecture about the cumulative danger of all the anti-terrorism legislation we've passed (and the power the president has assumed). Just that morning a woman had told me her hard drive crashed and she lost all her data when she opened a supposed petition to protest Palin's nomination. When I told Donohue, she said absolutely nothing. I was looking for a little reassurance, but I didn't get any.

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FMAinMass
Posted by: FMABBI on Sep 24, 2008 7:06 AM   
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These last eight years of Republican governance has just about destroyed our country in every facet of American life. From 9/11 onward, every decision from those in power it seems has been to further the destruction of the USA. We are so weakened right now that it might take a decade or more to just regain our national pride and standing in the world. WE cannot allow the Republicans to win any elected office - we simply can't afford it!

Whether or not this was intentionally planned is not known for certain (sure smells like it) but what we should do once Dems are in - is to investigate all of the wrongdoings from and including 9/11 attacks onward (illegal wars, Katrina, lying, spying, torture, derulation and lack of oversight re:wall street, etc). Those who are found complicit should be punished with the full weight of the law. Once that is done, we Americans can then again proudly proclaim that democracy does indeed work and once again be able to say that our "government is of the people, by the people and for the people..."

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» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
Actually, Obama is the more likely 'candidate' for fascist puppet...
Posted by: johnshadows on Sep 24, 2008 7:25 AM   
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... I imagine that if the System was planning to put Sarah Palin in as figurehead, they wouldn't be pushing Obama down people's throat, which is exactly what the media is doing. Meanwhile, they're savaging Palin at every turn.

Obama is taking money from the hedge funds that need taxpayer money now, and with his statements on Pakistan, he's signaled that he in no way intends to back off the Military State concept. He's a gun-grabber - maybe wants to take our line of defense away in case there's a takeover. The System is behind Obama, and he's behind them.

He'd make the perfect puppet, as the U.S. would appear to the world as 'enlightened' (now that we have a black president), while civil liberties are cracked down on and the government takes more power. Meanwhile, average Americans will get to see just how fake the system of 'opposition' was in U.S. national politics, and that people like McCain and Obama really work for the same people. And that ain't us.

Like I said, Obama is the much more likely candidate for a fascist takeover.

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» You might want to re-read ... Posted by: johnshadows
If America does become a police state...
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 24, 2008 7:45 AM   
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The first ones arrested should be the assholes on this thread who bashed Obama.

Why don't you jerks comment on Republican blogs where you belong?

John McCain--OLD ideas, OLD solutions, OLD lobby connections
For more reasons why JM should not be president
of the United States, click on: Vote Against McCain

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» Hugh Scott Posted by: Karl.Ben
American Fascism
Posted by: boing007 on Sep 24, 2008 7:49 AM   
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Sarah Palin: White Power, closet Nazi.

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PAIN SCARED ME FROM DAY ONE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 24, 2008 7:52 AM   
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There was no reasonable explanation for her to be McCain's running mate. Well, they had their plan. Palin is the greatest political whore I've ever seen. She doesn't aim to put a smile on a man's face in the traditional sense. That would be normal. She will however, do what she's told. I believe that upon Sara's arrival Dick Cheney has died and gone to heaven. She refuses to be interviewed or answer questions because she doesn't know anything about anything. She needs direction from the men in charge and no request is too much to ask. She is the stereotypical obedient female. There is something seriously wrong with a woman who leaves a 4 day old infant with health problems to 'go back to work'. It's not about money. It's questionable behavior that nobody wants to address. So I agree that she was a deliberate choice, for all the wrong reasons. Thanks, ANNA

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People this is not about political parties any more! It's about Rights and Freedom!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Sep 24, 2008 7:55 AM   
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There are no political parties anyway that is an Illusion we all choose to believe. It is unfortunate that Albert Einstein was correct about this: "The only two things I have found in nature that are infinite is the Universe and Human stupidity!"

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PAIN SCARED ME FROM DAY ONE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 24, 2008 7:52 AM   
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There was no reasonable explanation for her to be McCain's running mate. Well, they had their plan. Palin is the greatest political whore I've ever seen. She doesn't aim to put a smile on a man's face in the traditional sense. That would be normal. She will however, do what she's told. I believe that upon Sara's arrival Dick Cheney has died and gone to heaven. She refuses to be interviewed or answer questions because she doesn't know anything about anything. She needs direction from the men in charge and no request is too much to ask. She is the stereotypical obedient female. There is something seriously wrong with a woman who leaves a 4 day old infant with health problems to 'go back to work'. It's not about money. It's questionable behavior that nobody wants to address. So I agree that she was a deliberate choice, for all the wrong reasons. Thanks, ANNA

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McCain lost the election last week
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Sep 24, 2008 8:38 AM   
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Maybe I should worry about this, but I don't see why at the moment.

jdfu!

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WARNING SIGNS
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 24, 2008 8:39 AM   
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In 2003, Dr. Lawrence Britt defined the following 14 characteristics of fascism:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

4. Supremacy of the Military

5. Rampant Sexism

6. Controlled Mass Media

7. Obsession with National Security

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

9. Corporate Power is Protected

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

14. Fraudulent Elections


For further proof that America is becoming a fascist
state, research the following subects in the order listed:

Yale Skull & Bones society (Prescott Bush plus 41 and 43)
Committee for Present Danger (started by Bush 41 when he was Nixon's CIA chief)
Bush 41's "New World Order"
PNAC
(Jeb Bush is a founder, along with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby)
McCain's ties to PNAC (he's a member)

John McCain--OLD ideas, OLD solutions, OLD lobby connections
For more reasons why JM should not be president
of the United States, click on: Vote Against McCain

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» RE: WARNING SIGNS Posted by: Karl.Ben
Police State?
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 24, 2008 8:47 AM   
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LOL, Coming Police State? What rock have you been hiding under? Its already been here, and is here to stay!

Ralph Most
Online Privacy when it Counts

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Some of us will have to sacrifice our lives.
Posted by: Gregory Kruse on Sep 24, 2008 8:48 AM   
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As the time draws closer and the forces of fascism gather strength, many of us will be called upon to resist in the face of overwhelming power. Some will pay the ultimate price to no effect. A decision to subject yourself to unimaginable pain and death with no hope of defeating totalitarianism or dictatorship is like those which have somehow been made by others in the past, but we can't understand how they could have done it. I can only guess that the decision is finally made under unbearable stress, and that one cannot imagine what he or she might be capable of under such stress. The stress seems already great for those of us who have refused to seek refuge in denial. We hope for some relief in November when enough citizens cast off denial and demand that the fascists stand down. If they don't, we can expect the kind of world that Naomi describes in her article to envelope us in darkness.

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The American Thatcher
Posted by: YouReapProsperity on Sep 24, 2008 8:51 AM   
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Well, its always said that behind every evil man stands an evil woman. In the case of the Palins’ it could be said that behind every evil woman stands an evil man?

Without getting too far into gender biased ideology, I was raised in a matriarch all my life and have struggled even to this day to get some kind of male authority in my family populous with females. It is still not there. My mother comes from a wealthy landowning family and refuses help to her sons, “because they are men!” yet, the females she has and does help are alcoholics and drug addicts. We sons are working class family men who even see this favoritism trickle down to the way grandma treats the grandchildren. I say it was great to learn to be independent and self supportive, but she still cripples certain family members.

It does not matter if our leadership is male or female, rich or poor, feeble or strong, cross gender or multi-racial, rabid Christian or devout atheists, what America needs now is to read the candidates for what they represent. I happen to swing Obama and I was raised conservative Republican. McCain want to continue the cold war build-up and Obama wants to concentrate on American wallets! Simply! It is what is important to each of us that matters. I somehow see a pattern of “war” bating and initiatives that keep the Defense Industry fat at the expense of working Americans. This has been our national character since the 1950’s and we have not lost it, only intensified it! Now our so-called technological and ingenious race called mankind has infected the rest of the planet with nuclear and conventional warfare. Great going America, the greatest nation on earth, now bankrupt and draining its life blood for the 1% vampires we keep electing into office.
As for Palin, she is the American Thatcher.

A no-nonsense, part Tammy Faye and Yoko Ono; part Annie Oakley and Ma Barker all rolled into one power hungry Joan Crawford. Obama raised the issue and word called, “change” and now the Republicans chant this. Where’s is their dignity?

I am convinced that most women respect men out of fear and power rather than equals or sensitivity. Many women work while the man stay home and collects the check, beats and cheats on her, but they never leave.
There are guys that work 9 to 5 jobs, come home, pay the bills, and love their children, don’t fool around or beat their women and still the wife feels slighted or “unsatisfied”.

Men are, after all is said and done, constantly appeasing females especially throughout history. Watch the old Hollywood films where “white” females are regarded as divine and worshipped from the chivalry of the knights in armor to the proud rugged cowboy like John Wayne who wants to kill Natalie Wood, a white captive, for “turnin’ Injun”.

Whether you are for Palin, Clinton, Madonna or Oprah, the ever unsettling spirit of the western woman now wreaks power over us all and we must never forget that even cowgirls get the blues.

Vote with intelligence and good conscience, not your misguided feelings for feelings change, just ask a former Bush supporter. Palin has run her governments parallel to the Rove strategy and she supports the Bush Doctrine even though she can’t define it!

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Where did it go?
Posted by: oakgroveinn on Sep 24, 2008 9:20 AM   
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Ms. Wolf's editors are sloppy or ... has the end of the following been plucked off by an unseen hacker?

Under the Palin-Rove police state, there will be no further true elections. Mark Crispin Miller has done sensational and under-reported investigating t o establish that -- as I warned -- indeed the GOP staffers on the US Senate Judiciary Committee have been .

The evidence is also buried on...

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The Smiling Face of Big Sister
Posted by: Iraan Ozono on Sep 24, 2008 9:53 AM   
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I had a scary dream of Ms. Palin's face smiling at me from my Government First home security screen, telling me to report for my annual Patriot Index Monitoring Exam, and to bring my toothbrush and Bible.

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I found this part most interesting...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Sep 24, 2008 9:56 AM   
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Republican staff members of the US Senate Judiciary Commitee infiltrated opposition computer files for a year, monitoring secret strategy memos and periodically passing on copies to the media, Senate officials told The Globe. >From the spring of 2002 until at least April 2003, members of the GOP committee staff exploited a computer glitch that allowed them to access restricted Democratic communications witho ut a password. Trolling through hundreds of memos, they were able to read talking points and accounts of private meetings discussing which judicial nominees Democrats would fight -- and with what tactics.

I mean, Nixon and his 'Plumbers' dreamed about being able to spy on the competition this well! They have certainly improved their deceitfulness a hundred fold since then. Their criminal activity has been elevated to an art form.
DEATH TO THE GOP AND THEIR BACKERS!!!

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If we continue as a 'Police State' there will be a Revolution!!
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 24, 2008 10:11 AM   
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We've been moving towards a 'Police State' ever since Nixon!! Anyone who's been awake for the last 20 years knows it's only gotten worse. If you think it has'nt,then my friend, you are greatly deluded into thinking 'We're great!!'.
You can only push the people so far. This country was near flying apart during Bush 1. The only thing that stopped it was Clinton getting elected. We 'thought' we were electing someone that gave a shit about the people. Turned out it was all about the blow job.
Now we've suffered a stolen election in 2000,
a rigged one in 2004 and they think they can sneak in some gestopo bitch and get away with it. NOT ON THEIR LIVES.
25% of us are total kiss assers and will do anything this government says without question.
You poor saps. 75% however can think for ouirselves and we're fed up. We are also the number needed to peacefully escort them out of office. Make no mistake our Freedoms are being lost right along with our Liberty. It's not from some outside terrorists. It's from right here in the US and we elected the bastards.
Jefferson told us to have a revolution every 25 years or so just to keep things honest and preserve Freedom and Liberty. I think the time's up on that one.
If we continue on this path of Capitalistic Nazism we as a people better revolt. Otherwise we should just burn the Constitution,the Bill of Rights and knock down Lady Liberty just like Saddam's statues for we will no longer be Democratic, Free or Libertarious. We will be fodder for the Tyurant's whim and dictate. Not for me...I say Live Free or Die.
For Freedom and Liberty
Write-in Jeffrey 7 (Smith) for Prez in '08

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RE: We haven't had a clean election since 2000!
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Sep 24, 2008 8:02 PM   
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OK, nightgaunt, question:

I googled New Apostolic and was totally bewildered. Who are these people? Where do they come from? I live in New England and never heard of them. Maybe they are just a few hundred in the Dixie states, like the KKK. They sound more menacing than they actually are. What do you think? I mean they are definitely lunatic fringe and there is a reason why we refer to such people as fringe - they are at the outermost edges of the bell curve.

Also, I lived in Florida in 2000 and agree with you on the lack of clean elections. I witnessed the voting fraud. What amazed me was when I came back here in 2002 and learned that people here had not been exposed to HALF the information we had in Florida. Because some of our local newspapers and TV did such excellent in-depth reporting, we got news stories that were not even mentioned up here. Strange. People knew there were irregularities, but not to the extent we did.

Not to sound paranoid, but it makes me wonder whether this is part of the reason why it was so easy for them to steal Ohio in 2004. A degree of collective ignorance to the depth of fraud that existed in Florida in 2000?

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RE: Make that 1996
Posted by: GrannyBgood on Sep 25, 2008 6:50 AM   
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There was evidence of a lot of vote-tampering, gerry-mandering etc etc in '96..that's when the Neocons REALLY took over. It all just got more blatant in 2000.

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Titular Barbie
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Sep 24, 2008 10:37 AM   
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"Titular head?" Well, Eskimo Barbie certainly has the tits for it. (Consider the footage of McCain blatantly staring at them.)

Unfortunately, she has precious little to recommend her head.

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» RE: Titular Barbie Posted by: QuestionAuthority
Stalin...
Posted by: Gisele on Sep 24, 2008 10:51 AM   
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wasn't a likeable old bird, but he was a damn honest one in many ways:

"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. "

...Betcha Rove is a student of Stalin...

"When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use."

...the Bush/Paulson/Wall Street version:

"When we hang the voters, they will give us the rope we use."

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Bulletin on Torture & 'Terrorist' Arrests @ RNC Disappears from My Space
Posted by: laurenaislinn on Sep 24, 2008 10:55 AM   
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I thought that I must have done something wrong when, like every other time i posted a bulletin on My Space I entered "Post", but this time-like never before-it Vanished! Half an hour had been spent writing a piece describing how a man in jail in St.Paul, after being arrested for protesting was tortured. I suppose that 1.2 hr was plenty long enough for site administrators to see what I was writing before I attempted to post it. (& Yes, I too noticed that youtube footage from Palin's church was deleted.)

The bulliten started w/his complaint that he'd not been fed in the 24 hr he'd already spent in jail. (In Minpls-St.Paul you can be held for 36 hr w/out charges.)

Others joined in his demand and shortly, most other prisoners were ushered to another part of the jail as two officers entered the man's cell ad began beating him w/night sticks. They soon put a paper bag over his head & tied it tight;y around his neck and continued to beat him. He was screaming. He vomited in the bag and pled w/the cops to take it off but was refused. They continued to beat him into unconsciousness.

This information along w/a blow-by-blow report of all 4 convention days and the raids prior to the convention were related to me and a crowd of about 40 others at a DA open-meeting held to inform the public on Tue Sept 15 in Lansing, MI.

[Lansing-E.Lansing was/is home to one of the many covert survellience programs carried out under TALON, but which was exposed by the ACLU's FOIA suite against the local & state police & F.B.I. My phone-and that of everyone in my family-had been tapped for At Least 4 yr begininng i 2001. We'd been followed, photoraphed and harassed also-even those like myself who didn't belong to any organization, but were simply relatives of those more direct targets were subject to all of their tactics. No doubt after the ACLU discolsed that the police and FBI records listed Michigan pro-affirmative action and Direct Action groups as potential/suspected terrorist organizatios, and even though Bush declared that illegal spying had ceased, the surveillance continues.]

At this meeting I also learned that the rganizers were, w/few exceptions, being held indefinitely and cherged w/'conspiracy to commit terrorism', under a new MN law mirroring the 'Patriot Act'.

Many more aspects of the above article were confirmed in the report of the protestors who either escaped jail or had een held for a shorter time than the organizers. Including, special paint-filled bullets used to mark organizers for later identification so they could be satched off the streets and carried away in one of the many black vans roving throughout the city, police 'infiltrators' trying to dress like protestors, the immediate arrest of anyone wearing black, harassment of Anyone on the city streets, anywhere in the city, who 'looked like' they Might be protesters, and the filing of utterly false and ridiculous charges against organizers and others in the meeting houses raided early on, and others who's homes were raided During the protests.

The One thing I Was able to post on my site was a 'mood' statement--which read something like "Torture in or jails @ RNC and Arrest of Organizers Charged w/'terrorism' Facing 7+ yr Terms." Well, I found it quite curious that 10 people visited my site in the following day, when typically No One does, whether I've posted something new or not. It should have occured to e who these 'visitors' were. Now I have No doubt.

P.S. the police state tactics used here--as well as torture of protestors in our jails--were strategies developed, to my knowledge, by the police chief of Miami for the '03 FTAA Conference protest. I personally know a person who was raped by two officers in jail during that time.

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To all gay people: Get those Pink triangles ready
Posted by: arieden on Sep 24, 2008 10:57 AM   
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If McCain and Palin are elected, I guess I'll get some pink triangles ready to sew on my clothes as well as a little bag packed and ready for the camp.
I even wonder if anyone in this country will even make a stink as we're shipped off to the camps.

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» Isolationists... Posted by: tjg1984
Sarah Palin: Stooge of the neocons and Israeli militarists
Posted by: Garvagh on Sep 24, 2008 11:18 AM   
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Palin is the perfect stooge: a total ignoramus, with the feeling of "God" inside her! A perfect stooge for the neocons seeking permanent war in the Middle East, to "protect" Israel (meaning, to allow it to keep the West Bank and the Golan Heights), even if it bankrupts the US. How many hundreds of billions of dollars are being squandered, to help relgious fanatics oppress the Palestinians in the West Bank?

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usterroristnation
Posted by: usterroristnation on Sep 24, 2008 11:23 AM   
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Another sound article by Naomi marking the road Americans have embarked down. Congratulations ! So far, your "administration" over the last 12 years or so has managed to bring the worlds financial markets to the brink of collapse due to a mixture of greed, excess, fraud and manipulation; thanks to this reckless abandonment,millions of ordinary Americans have been left homeless; for 12 years you have had two "idiot" presidents presiding over your country - outsiders maybe could have forgiven you for electing a similar dunce - ron star wars raygun - some years before that.... but the stupidity of doing the same thing again and again defies belief. And now - like a cheap tawdry trick out of the magicians hat the American people are once again presented with a clown duo in the mc cain - palin ticket - are you guys all slooooooooow learners ? Today, on the brink of another election America stands as the pre-eminent terrorist state and despite not learning the lessons of Vietnam, you bailed into Afghansitan and Iraq on the basis of a string of lies and false documents - and these are states where YOUR government installed the dictators and supplied them with arms and training in the first place ! It was truly comical to see a horde of schmucks shouting outside the UN with their banners proclaiming against Iran's nuclear programme while conveniently forgetting about the huge nuclear arsenal that America has allowed israeli jews to build up in Dinara and spread terror throughout the middle east. Maybe somebody could round up all the old US presidents (and maybe exhume old ron as well) and get them together for a travelling circus - no prizes for guessing who gets the monkey cage. This is about all we can expect now from your nations finest.

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» RE: usterroristnation Posted by: beautifulady2003
figurehead my bum...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Sep 24, 2008 11:56 AM   
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just think dolores umbridge...

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Good Article
Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Sep 24, 2008 12:01 PM   
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... but I wish the author wouldn't participate in the demonization of Russia. Russia, for all its faults, may be much more democratic than the U.S. It's certainly less militaristic.

Russia is no threat to us but the military-industrial complex wants us to think that it is. The renewed Cold War is very helpful to the process that's described in the article.

Most of the charges leveled against Putin are unproven and are likely deliberate disinformation. You shouldn't draw conclusions based on the proven-unreliable mainstream American media. You know it has an agenda.

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» RE: Good Article Posted by: beautifulady2003
But but...
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Sep 24, 2008 12:30 PM   
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But the Cubs are going to win the World Series! Why should I care about the police?

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McCain/Palin = Spousal Abuse
Posted by: jreal on Sep 24, 2008 2:16 PM   
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Sarah Palin is aiding and abedding violence against women.

She is continuously the victem of abuse by McCain. Every bump the campaign hits, he deflects to Sarah Palin.

Everything is about being sexist against Palin. McCain deflects every critisism towards the woman. This is typical of an abusive relationship.

McCain/Palin is the poster couple of spousal abuse.

A man is suppose to take credit for his actions. Not try to throw the woman in front of every allegation. McCain is showing why he truly is the pig. And Palin is just egging it on by not standing up for herself against this abuse.

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You can't get enough paranoia these days
Posted by: Malbone on Sep 24, 2008 2:20 PM   
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Dick Cheney is leaving office in January? Really? Anyone bother to tell Cheney?

Sarah Palin will have plenty to do next year with her kids growing up and all. The nation will need someone who knows the ropes to actually run things. Maybe she can just open a Western White House in Wassilla and pay herself a per diem for staying there. After all, it's actually closer to Russia!

And there will be plenty to do. After 25 years of looting the treasury, the burglars are sitting down by the fridge for a last couple of beers and sandwiches before leaving. And those pesky nukes -- North Korea just told the UN "thanks, but no thanks," and I think by now Osama bin Laden has figured out that Pakistan is in big trouble and has a lot more nukes than Afghanistan did.

No wonder McCain wants to suspend his campaign. Why would anyone want to win public office at a time like this?

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Fear, fear and NO ACTION!!!
Posted by: Kym525 on Sep 24, 2008 2:30 PM   
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The more I read Alternet, the more I'm starting to think fellow liberals don't really want to win this election. Between the endless articles on Caribou Barbie and what she means (or doesn't) to what Barack Obama isn't doing/talking to-enough, it seems to me that you'd rather whine than to take a clear stand and get involved.

Maybe there's something about being black in a country that has made me fight for the right to exist. Maybe I'm used to fighting and am not scared to get my hands dirty. I'm not willing to just sit idly by and let things happen. Maybe all that strength and resolve comes from having had to do it in the recent past. It's time for a revolution, y'all!

This is OUR country and it's past the time we took it BACK! I'm tired of being scared, and this article would be more at home on some conspiracy-theorist website than here. I can just see some people reading this and shrugging their shoulders, opting to do nothing.

What is it going to take to turn words into direct action? We've had EIGHT YEARS of our basic and fundamental civil rights trampled into the ground--enough is ENOUGH!

And for fuck's sake, stop talking about Karl Rove like he's some kind of genius. He's NOT. Let me spell it out for you in capital letters so you can finally comprehend the source of his success: KARL ROVE TAPPED INTO THE UGLINESS THAT IS THE AMERICAN MINDSET. HE TAPPED INTO OUR UNFOUNDED FEARS. HE GAVE US EASY, FEEL-GOOD ANSWERS TO ALL THE DIZZYING AND UNFAMILIAR CHANGES ALL AROUND US. HE GAVE US BOOGEYMEN TO BE AFRAID OF OR TO HATE. THAT'S IT!

That doesn't take a rocket scientist to do. It's all an illusion of our own making and it worked. He's merely a man whose arrogance is going to come back to haunt him.

Bob Marley once sang that one could live on their knees or die on their feet. I'll see you with my cowboy boots while I'm kicking ass!

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» usterroristnation Posted by: usterroristnation
McCain will not last the term
Posted by: CitizenX on Sep 24, 2008 3:41 PM   
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I've been saying this since Palin was selected but not in such eloquent terms.

McCain was forced to select Palin. McCain will resign midway through his term for health reasons. Palin will then run as an incumbent in 2012 ready to advance the rights fascist agenda.

In other news.

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

"Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets."

From the article.

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Isn't she gorgeous
Posted by: kiwijohn on Sep 24, 2008 3:46 PM   
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?

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The police state happened while you all ignored it
Posted by: Kym525 on Sep 24, 2008 3:49 PM   
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We got a taste of it during the McCartthy years. When it happened to MLK, the Black Panthers, AIM and other groups, the silence was deafening. Rodney King only generated outrage among black Americans who'd long known that the badge doesn't necessarily mean protection. When you don't stand up for the rights of others, don't expect for your own rights to be considered "off limits".

How many of you sat and watched while the police treated people of color like second-class citizens only to whine when it's YOUR turn?

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Stop looking at the Ceiling and start looking at the Floor!
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 24, 2008 5:00 PM   
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Of all the numerous problems associated with Sarah Palin as Mac's VP Pick, some women are still not getting a Clue about REAL priorities
WHEN THE GLASS FLOOR BENEATH YOU HAVE 11.5 TRILLION CRACKS, THE GLASS CEILING BECOMES IRRELEVANT!
there are some 'Joanie Come Lately's" Who are under the impression Women's advocates Still vote for ANY Female..WE gave up that ridiculous Delusion decades ago (Shafely).
she is not only horrid on Womens issues she is also inept on all other areas. bu twhat is most pertinent to Women is the fact that Mac's campaign has used her a merely a pin up girl- sheltering her from the media and the Questions th ePublic have for her. i fthis was a male candidate, No one would stand for this Secrecy. By allowing the Mac Campaign to continue this attempt to lower th ebar for Sarah, they are committing a grave disservice to any Woman who has had to compete on a level playing field with the guys.
palin was a Samck in the Face to women and an Insult to our intelligence and and Infers we are so self absorbed, Real issues pale in comparison to 'Breaking the Glass Ceiling', Like our kids futures come second to our own ambitions and Ego's.That may be how Cindy Runs her life, but it is not a luxury US average women have. Our needs, wishes an ddreams are often last on the list once al the necessary responsilbities are taken care of.
Ladies, we must put aside the 'Glass Ceiling' for our Kids, Our Country and Our Futures. We'll get another chance- and then we will have the Right Female for the job not just ANY Female.

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For What It's Worth
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 24, 2008 5:45 PM   
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by Buffalo Springfield


There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down


There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind


What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

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The Real Palin: History's Pattern Repeated
Posted by: lorenbliss on Sep 24, 2008 6:13 PM   
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Naomi Wolf serves no one but her Marxophobic self by her deliberately misleading references to the Soviet Union and East Germany. The real Palin parallel -- and it is indeed a German one -- is to the last days of the Weimar Republic and the beginning of the Third Reich: she is to McCain as Hitler was to von Hindenberg, the future Führer anointed by the aged, doddering war hero.

Never forget too that Hitler was merely the front man for German capitalists -- the same class of people for whom Republican politicians are the figureheads in the United States. Thus -- especially since fascism is the logical fulfillment of capitalism -- a McCain/Palin victory will undoubtedly mark the final transformation of the U.S. into a fascist theocracy, literally a Fourth Reich, the very police state Wolf envisions.

Alas, capitalism is capitalism, the economic wellspring of fascism no matter the governors or the system of governance, and the police were goon-squad brutal at the Democratic convention too. Hence I doubt an Obama/Biden victory will have a notably different outcome, save perhaps that jack boots will be less of a fashion statement and the depredations of the storm troopers will be a bit less public.

Nevertheless, on the slender chance I am wrong, I will vote Democratic. Though surely no one will blame me for feeling like a fool -- and, worse, a con-man’s mark. For the Democrats have once again shown us their true colors, this time by agreeing to Exxon Valdez our entire national coastline, legalizing the drilling that will turn every U.S. ocean beach and estuary into another Prince William Sound -- another reeking sea of death and pollution.

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Wanna Bet?
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 24, 2008 7:11 PM   
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America is about ready to come up offa the ropes SWINGING.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Naomi's Wrong, but almost right
Posted by: peskyfly1 on Sep 24, 2008 7:23 PM   
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The Russians are reporting that President Bush will declare (in the first week of Oct.) that because of the financial crisis, the presidential election will be suspended. American military troops will be deployed throughout the country to stomp out dissent.

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VOTE
Posted by: orwellturns on Sep 24, 2008 9:18 PM   
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PBS is doing a poll which asks if Palin is qualified to be VP. The right
wing has organized a yes campaign--and the 'yes' is at the moment winning.
Take literally 1/2 minute, go to:

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

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Not reputable reporting
Posted by: Staggo on Sep 24, 2008 11:27 PM   
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It is not through blindness nor lack of insight that I assert Naomi Wolf is far from reputable. Her paranoia determines the facts, rather than assembling facts first and drawing founded conclusions. Ms. Wolf's world-view is an opposite yet equal reaction to the Rove tactic of instilling fear. Unfortunately, Ms. Wolf believes her own hype, whereas Bush, Cheney & Co. never have. Previously, she argued that the 2008 elections would never happen. We know they will. Forty odd days is too short to prevent them. If we look at American history, we find that there never really was a Golden Age of Freedom and Democracy. The problems we witness are no exception. Finally, the intense emotional nature of Ms. Wolf's arguments seethes from each paragraph. I'm not inclined to accept Bush's alarmist chatter, the people are showing the tactic has lost its zing, and I refuse to be persuaded by the same tactics from the fringe left.

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» RE: Not reputable reporting Posted by: ohleslie
Ear Worthy Commentary on Palin and Police State
Posted by: Earwaves on Sep 25, 2008 12:07 AM   
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Thank you, AlterNet. I love the dialogue, crazy and some very, very real.
Speaking of real.
The Sarah Palin Article and the Police State Question is worth asking in the extreme.

The society wished by the ruling large families, corporations, military industrial media complex is one that people in general, stay in line. Don't complain, Don't whine, Pay the taxes to the bankers, shop and and shut up and watch Fox till you drop.

What is in place is using computers to enslave us, as the article reminds us. Unfortunately, through surveillance and other internationally criminal behavior.

Too bad, because computers are entertaining us as well. Something that was prophesized by many in the beginning of our chip age. Kraftwerk's "Computer World" in '81 is proving to be quite prophetic as well. Listen to the Lyrics.

Look, I'm 56 and am amazing survivor of the cancer epidemic which has struck so hard on my generation! I have seen a lot in my conscious state. And what I've seen over the years since first political consciousness being triggerd in 1960 Cuban Missile Crisis.....that....
This state of direct police and military intervention directly in American Political control is REAL. Today was the first day of loss of one of America's cherished liberties, the absolute prohibition of the US Armed Forces to be used against the people of the USA.

One could argue this has been going on for some time in selected incidents in the last 30 years, but however, just this month, we've seen the implementation of the first EVER Military Division of the US ARMED FORCES stationed on native soil, as per what is prohibited in the Constitution, again, in the territory of the US. What is now an act of "treason against the Constitution of the United States" is getting little or no publicity (I did hear it finally on Democracy now today, Sept 24).

Guess what, though, we've been under National Emergency State since 9/11. There are no restrictions and the Bush Administration has acted like it, eh? Laws? There are no Laws and no Justice Department left acting for We The People. Revolution IS in the air.

Per article, YES, Palin is a representative of the hard right's Rovian-Cheneyians and other nefarious characters. She's just their next "big thing". You know...it's what sells. Yes. With Palin President in waiting gets through, we will get our long predicted, fascist state based on an Eastern European SS type surveillance division, style along with the reality that the only right you have will be the Right to shop. You'll be privatized, collatoralized, retailized, securitized, monopolized, and pulverized by what's coming unless we WAKE UP - America, Thank you Dennis Kucinich.

Gee, who would'a thought? From Quayle to Benson to Lieberman to Sr.Bush to Palen, a VP procession of tools of this particular criminal empire have ruled for way too long.

The future is ours if we want it.

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Two despicable PUPPETS
Posted by: GrannyBgood on Sep 25, 2008 7:11 AM   
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When I saw Palin and Karzai sitting there smiling at each other during her Blitz-dating Photo-op tour, (Of course you couldn't hear what they were saying..even McSAME, or Rove, doesn't trust her THAT much!) My first thought was "Oh Great, Two Neocon PUPPETS trying to look "Official".
The old Face-man, Face-woman Spiel again...like no-one has figured it out yet after Reagan, after Junior!
We're about as fooled as we are that McSAME is canceling the debate because he's concerned about the financial crisis!
Yeah, Riiiight!

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only 2 possible courses of action
Posted by: JoeZ on Sep 25, 2008 8:21 AM   
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If you believe this article, there are really only 2 courses of action:
1 Prepare to leave the country
2 Arm yourself and prepare to fight
Either of these actions will put you in charge of your destiny. (One will let you make a fresh start in another country, the other will get you killed) Staying and keeping your head down will put you entirely in the hands of chance. Most of us will do just that.
Keep in mind "When the control system has to point a gun at you, you know it's almost finished."
With peak oil and a dicey financial system, it's debatable if the government will even be able to keep the lights on in the future.

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» RE: only 2 possible courses of action Posted by: usterroristnation
arrowsm
Posted by: arrowsm on Sep 26, 2008 5:45 PM   
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Wasn't there a huge surge of women as wardens at the prisons back in the 80's. Sure does sound familiar.

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Sarah Palin Witchy Woman: Be Afraid!!!
Posted by: chappiedamann on Sep 27, 2008 12:09 PM   
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http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oPODGK_pI

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fear can be a great motivator to take positive action
Posted by: whealeydj on Sep 28, 2008 1:52 AM   
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so if we dont want Sarah Palin to be our first female President, we should step away from our computers, set aside our doubts about Obama-Biden, and work our butts off for next 40 days and 40 nights to elect our first black President. We have had 8 years of the Worst President ever, so it should be easier to ask our neighbors: do you really want four more years of arrogant, incompetent Republican ideologues? Had enough?vote Democratic.

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bendar dundat
Posted by: bender dundat on Sep 28, 2008 2:32 AM   
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Sarah Palin is the new decider...all hail the vacuous face of fascism lite...jesus camp for all americans...stiff arm salute practice every afternoon on the White House lawn..goosestepping her way into infamy with all the other dead tyrants of history...all this is leading up to the supreme republican...the antichrist! Vote for the millionaire of your choice, but vote!
There is no freedom but in Jesus Christ, in the world there will be tribulation such as humanity has never witnessed in its history. read TNT---the new testament---it will scare the hell out of you. The god of this world, the god of forces, is the devil and all who hold illegitimate power(based on lies and murder) will spend eternity with their boss in the lake of fire. So, that is it then: the republican party is a terrorist organization whose members are set on the fires of damnation. They are doomed and that strangely foul aroma emanating from DC(the District of Corruption)is the stench of decay of the once-shining american republic. But no matter, in fifty years, none of this will matter to anyone reading this post..prepare for what does matter, prepare to meet your Creator(try to be on good terms with him by always telling the truth and by being a loving, caring human being). There are enough devils in the land, we need more angels.

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d julien
Posted by: D. Julian Terry on Sep 28, 2008 9:34 AM   
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The Cubs are great but I think the Phils will take it all this year. That being said, we must elect Obama for this country to have a chance to survive as a republic...

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This is not S&M
Posted by: Darklady on Sep 29, 2008 12:35 PM   
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Naomi -- you know better than this.

S&M is consensual.

This is abuse, pure and simple.

Please don't confuse the two.

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