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Are Evangelical Voters Abandoning the Republican Establishment?

By Kate Sheppard, AlterNet. Posted March 21, 2008.


A new breed of evangelical may provide inroads for progressives in a voting bloc that's long seemed out of reach.
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Rev. Joel Hunter might not seem like an obvious progressive. He's the pastor of Northland Church, a 12,000-member evangelical congregation just north of Orlando, Fla. He's staunchly pro-life and was an outspoken supporter of Mike Huckabee's bid for the presidency. But Hunter has emerged as a leader among the growing bloc of evangelicals who are concerned not just about abortion and homosexuality, but also global warming, healthcare and poverty -- issues traditionally associated with progressives. And these "new conservatives," as Hunter calls them, aren't necessarily going to be faithful to the Republican Party they've called home for so many years.

There has been evidence of this divide among evangelicals in the primaries this year. While it's difficult to pin down exact figures, as exit pollsters don't ask Democrats if they identify as evangelical, surveys have found that Republicans no longer have a monopoly on these voters. A new survey released last month by the Barna Group, the country's leading evangelical polling group, found that 40 percent of all "born again" adults who plan to vote in November said they would choose a Democratic candidate, while just 29 percent said they would vote for a Republican. Faith in Politics also commissioned its own exit polls in Tennessee and Missouri on Super Tuesday, which found that one in three white evangelicals there participated in the Democratic primary. Huckabee's long run of success in the primaries evidenced this split, as he was the only Republican candidate talking extensively about issues like poverty and the environment.

Over the past few years, Hunter has blazed a trail for these "new conservatives." He serves as the spokesperson for the Evangelical Climate Initiative and is part of a coalition of more than 20 major religious groups calling for government action on climate change. In 2006 he served as the president-elect of the Christian Coalition of America, the hard-right political advocacy organization founded by Pat Robertson, but stepped down from the post following disagreements with the coalition's board of directors over expanding their agenda to include issues like poverty and the environment -- which Hunter says should also be considered "pro-life" concerns.

He's released two books on this growing schism. His 2006 book Right Wing, Wrong Bird is a guidebook for evangelical Christians who feel like the Religious Right's narrow focus ignores these other concerns. His new book, A New Kind of Conservative, released in January, calls for a conservatism not solely concerned with morality, small government and lower taxes, but a larger range of issues traditionally associated with progressives. These new conservatives, Hunter believes, must force change in the Republican establishment -- or abandon it.

While in Florida, I caught up with Hunter at his church to talk about his support for Huckabee's campaign, expanding the evangelical agenda, and whether this new movement creates inroads for progressives with a group that has long been seen as out of reach.

Kate Sheppard: A lot of these the issues that you talk about and that Mike Huckabee was talking about in the primary, issues like climate change and poverty, haven't been discussed by any Republican candidates in recent years.

Joel Hunter: It is something that's new, but it's something that's very needed. Unless Republicans take up these issues that are important to everybody, they're really going to lose the elections. People really do care about everybody having their basic needs met. I'm not talking about a socialist society here. I'm just talking about basic policies that would help people who are really trying. I think that the general population of America is not interested in trying to run the rest of the world by force or trying to buy the rest of the world by a superior economy.

KS: Do you worry that this divides the conservative coalition that has been created over the past decades?

JH: I see it as a great benefit that it divides the coalition. I want for the coalition to broaden. [There is] a certain section of the coalition that says we're going to keep focused on the issues that got us to the dance, so we want small government, we want less taxes, we want strong military. But I think that there's a growing number of conservatives that say, "No, we want a government that is effective in helping people out. It's not the answer, but it's not the enemy either. Yes, we'd love to have lower taxes, but we'd love even more for the government and private industry and the faith communities to be able to cooperate to help people in need with support systems that really make a difference. Whether or not taxes are lowered is not the real question. The question is how well are we assisting people who really have needs.


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It's nice to see our issues being realigned for us
Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal on Mar 21, 2008 1:00 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtkVefDcZNc
Give Peace a Chance
- John Lennon

Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism, ism ism ism
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

(C'mon)
Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout
Minister, Sinister, Banisters and Canisters,
Bishops, Fishops, Rabbis, and Pop Eyes, Bye bye, Bye byes
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

(Let me tell you now)
Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout
Revolution, Evolution, Masturbation, Flagellation, Regulation,
Integrations, mediations, United Nations, congratulations
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout
John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary,
Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper,
Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer, Alan Ginsberg, Hare Krishna
Hare Hare Krishna
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance
(Repeat 'til the tape runs out)

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Look at American history
Posted by: primalscream on Mar 21, 2008 1:41 AM   
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Take a look at history, and you will find a) that every winning coalition in American politics has always combined religious and non-religious voters, and b) that religious voters -- including evangelical Protestants -- have supported most, if not all, of the nation's most influential left-of-center movements. Baptists and Methodists joined forces with Deists in the colonial period to fight for separation of church and state. Evangelicals were among the loudest and stubbornest opponents of slavery in the 1830s through 1850s. The evangelical sisters Sarah and Angelina Grimke were early proponents of women's rights. William Jennings Bryan, his creationist nuttiness notwithstanding, championed small farmers against giant railroads and banks. And, of course, the greatest American of the 20th century, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was a Christian.

The point is this: while there also always have been atavistic evangelicals like Falwell, Dobson, and company, the degree to which their kind has dominated American religion since 1980 is unusual. If only a portion of American Christians who have been voting Republican start voting Democratic, it will be enough to tip the scales -- and it will mark a return to a more typical pattern. The right-wingers had an upswing in the 1920s, too, but they soon outlived their welcome. The post-Reagan batch lasted longer, but now they, too, seem hobbled by Bush, among other things. Soon we will return to what's been true since Madison: a situation in which religious and non-religious Americans both must realize they'll never accomplish much without each other.

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» Where do the Quakers fit in? Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal
The dark side
Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 21, 2008 3:41 AM   
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So lets understand this, Evangelicals, who have been depicted as the devil by Progressives and the fear left, are now being sought after by those same groups.

"global warming, healthcare and poverty" have always been concerns of Christians, so now that Evangelicals seem like a way to get Progressives more voting power, they are now on the good side.

I guess religion does matter!

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» RE: Religion matters only Posted by: bitsfick
» RE: eligion matters only Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: eligion matters only Posted by: Happysocialist
» I agree that it's about power. Posted by: andabottleof_rum
» RE: Sure, andabottle. Posted by: Longdream
» The other dark side Posted by: bornxeyed
Listen people. The Democrats ain't doin' their goddamn motherfucking job !!!
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 21, 2008 4:47 AM   
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We voters WASTED our time in 2006 giving these lame brains one last motherfucking chance but did they do what we voted for them to do ?!?!?!? FUCK NO !!!! They still caved in to the GEE-OH-PEE just like the 1980s and 1990s but even worse ! At this point, if you want a real progressive, here's a candidate:

VOTENADER.ORG !!!

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» Fuck Nader Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: Fuck Nader Posted by: radiomorning
» NADER IS AN ARAB!!! Posted by: Scientz
Can't Wait For The Bumper Sticker
Posted by: Ohjin on Mar 21, 2008 5:49 AM   
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I would propose a few minor modifications to the illustration WWJD?... add brass knuckles to JC, and I also would like to see some teeth flying.

Truly a good left hook, and you can clearly see JC loading up a BIG right hand to follow up that righteous left hand with. The drama and mad anticipation in the piece is excellent.


I would get a better sense of completion in the piece, if it also was able to convey JC wearing steel toed sandals, one of which is about to be firmly implanted in his ball less groin.


JC is My hero and he has been taking detailed notes at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and some of the best rendition sites in the world. (That which you do to the least of my brothers, that you do to me)...the best techniques of which, he is saving for a private play date with the shrub.


Tickets on sale,,,BUT not soon enough.

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» Yeah, you can see Posted by: hurricane hugo
Evangelicals should have their own party
Posted by: smendler on Mar 21, 2008 5:51 AM   
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Let's split this unnatural Republican Frankenstein. The evangelicals and other people of faith have been jerked around by the Mammonists for far too long.

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Evangelicals are Still Conservatives and Always Will Be!
Posted by: aussidawg on Mar 21, 2008 6:03 AM   
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Sure, the evangelical Christians have been duped by the Republican Party just like we all have. They too work for a living, breathe the same air as we do, drive vehicles that run on petroleum products, have been repeatedy ripped off by corporate America, and they too are suffering under the policies of the Bu$h regime. These reasons are why they are jumping party lines and supporting the upcoming Democratic candidate. This is of course what pushed Huckabee along as far as he went. He was leading evangelicals against the Republican status quo by pushing for higher wages and various other typically progressive issues. However, Huckabee is NOT a progressive (in fact he is a Dominionist) and neither are the evangelicals. Remember what their sole alliegence (sp.?) is to and what they stand for. It most certainly isn't progressive ideals.

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I do not care what they do.......
Posted by: steven w on Mar 21, 2008 6:19 AM   
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I am a firm believer in the separation of church and state- don't care to have another Spanish Inquisition. I was reared in a religious atmosphere without trying to influence state and it did not hurt us. These evangelicals are just a bunch of sex haters- everything they get crazy about has something to do with OTHER people's sexual activities.

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» and when no one is looking Posted by: Ellie1
» RE: and when no one is looking Posted by: steven w
» RE: and when no one is looking Posted by: steven w
» RE: and when no one is looking Posted by: steven w
» RE: Yo, Joe Posted by: Longdream
A few demands for new religious "progressives"
Posted by: Moonray on Mar 21, 2008 6:26 AM   
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Before we listen to anything this so-called new breed of Christians has to say, we should demand that they:
-- Give up any and all tax exemptions and other special treatment they receive from our local, state and federal governments.
-- Join us in demanding that religious sayings and images be removed from our money and from all public buildings.
-- Join us in demanding that public schools stop conducting student-led prayers and other stealthy promotions of religion.
-- Join us in demanding that so-called faith-based groups not be hired by public school districts to (mis)inform students about sexual issues.
-- Stop indoctrinating children under 18 in the twisted tenets of religion, so those children can make reasonable, informed choices as adults.
Until these so-called new Christians agree to these demands, they should not be taken seriously. Remember, churches are businesses and they constantly change and fine-tune their marketing tactics to lure more suckers -- er, I mean customers. I dare say that most of these so-called "progressive Christians" are merely the old hucksters trying new sales techniques.

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» ......and if they want to stop Posted by: steven w
» "Join us Join us Join us Join us" Posted by: andabottleof_rum
» Who? Posted by: steven w
Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 21, 2008 6:46 AM   
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Connect the dots, la, la, la, la

http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62

/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Life__Morals

_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html

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» oh ok Posted by: happyhermit
Evangelicals are conservatives
Posted by: robchapman on Mar 21, 2008 7:15 AM   
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The picture depicting Jesus punching GW Bush is entirely uncalled for.

GW Bush can appeal to conservatives by vetoing stem cell research funding and state that his administration will never spend a dollar to take an innocent life while conducting a bloody, cruel and optional war. They accept it and approve both the messenger and the message.

Leave them with the GOP.

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» RE: vangelicals are conservatives Posted by: Luther Blissett
» *bombs your embassy* Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: But Jesus was a liberal Posted by: Crazy H
» Jesus's Rap Sheet Posted by: Artkansas
» RE: Jesus's Rap Sheet Posted by: Longdream
» RE: vangelicals are conservatives Posted by: blue70rose
» RE: vangelicals are conservatives Posted by: blue70rose
Keeping my powder dry
Posted by: sawdust on Mar 21, 2008 7:19 AM   
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I'm going to curtail my initial joyous reaction to this article. While I do believe that it is possible for "Good News" (pardon the expression) to come from this right-handed evangelical constituency, I also know it can quickly get edited, re-worded and polluted by a self-serving Jesusism. Main stream Christians have been embracing these social issues of import for a long time and don't need to be suddenly recognized and having recently been "saved" by a revelation that the planet and society are both going to hell in a handbasket. Trust me: This too, brothers, shall pass.The Jesus-ologists will find some way to corrupt the message and make it self-serving.

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The Destrustion of Progressives
Posted by: Phred42 on Mar 21, 2008 7:28 AM   
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An Evangelical invasion of the Progressive Movement will destroy the Progressives

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» balanced thinking Posted by: happyhermit
Progressive = Secular
Posted by: Phred42 on Mar 21, 2008 7:30 AM   
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Evangelicals are not capable of of Secular thought

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» RE: Progressive = Secular Posted by: liberalibrarian
» RE: Progressive = Secular Posted by: Longdream
Brainwashing is as brainwashing does.
Posted by: grn1 on Mar 21, 2008 7:35 AM   
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Let us pray. That all the brainwashed evangelicals do not fall prey again to zionist neocons and there bullhorn media cohorts. Lord have mercy.

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Poor poor jesus
Posted by: The Big Raven on Mar 21, 2008 8:15 AM   
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There was a dude born long ago who was brought to this world to help the whiteman steal from others without FEELING ANY NATURAL GUILT period. I hate chrstianity for what it has done to my people and even with all the EVIDENCE of your wrong doings you dont have the human decency to addmitt it all you want to do is keep pretending that your "gods" gave you dominion over everyone and everything that has life. And to the blacks who follow "jesus" remember where you got your faith just like some of the old indian relics and the VERY FEW who still support the church on my reservation (and this is evidence of americas racism) You buggers helped en-slave your own people SHAME SHAME SHAME
The Creator gave all humankind "the gift" not just the few who sin all week so they can have thier spritual orgazasm every sunday (by the way no were in your bible does your sabath change from SAT. to SUN. but as I know christains NEVER read the fucking thing anyway.
Burn the bible and stay the hell away from governing anybodoy or thing.

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» RE: Poor poor jesus Posted by: oceanwaves99999
» Condoleezza Rice is Black Posted by: Cathyc
Jim Z.
Posted by: jzelensk on Mar 21, 2008 10:37 AM   
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With McCain now extending his polling lead over both Obama and Clinton, how much will the above matter?

Congress, which could well extend its Democratic majority in 2008, has proven itself to be worthless, as the executive branch now holds complete power under our fascist government. When president McCain continues and expands what Bush II has wrought, who really thinks that Congress will lift a finger to stop him? 1,000 year war(s) indeed.

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» RE: Jim Z. Posted by: oceanwaves99999
OK, Fine
Posted by: willymack on Mar 21, 2008 11:27 AM   
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The religious crazies are abandoning the repukes. I hope they're not looking MY Democratic way. A good place for them would be some place else, like. say Antarctica.

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What a tasteful respectful graphic to use on Good Friday..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Mar 21, 2008 11:47 AM   
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I'm sure that will win over many Evangelist voters to the Democratic party or to vote the Democratic party line as Independents..

Jeeze Louise.."Forgive them for they know not what they do"..I hope..

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My Vision
Posted by: jwhitneywise on Mar 21, 2008 11:57 AM   
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I see an America in which the Evangelicals and others who share their beliefs will form a third party so that the democrats can actually be liberal, the republicans can actually be conservative, and the people in the middle can be in the middle. Wouldn't it be nice to not have to compromise half of your values to vote in a closed primary.

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» RE: My Vision Posted by: pdxstudent
I don't associate with "christian" whackjobs
Posted by: joeunix on Mar 21, 2008 11:58 AM   
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so I don't really know if they're abandoning the Republicans.

However, if "christians" are abandoning the Republicans, who could blame them?

For example, the Republicans constantly make promises to "chritians" and never deliver.

Some examples include:

[1] Repeal Roe vs Wade...nope, never delivered.

[2] A Constitutional Amendment allowing school prayer...nope, never delivered.

[3] A ban on pornography...nope, never delivered.

[4] A Constitutional Amendment which declares "christianity" as the official "religion" of the United States...nope, never delivered.

[5] A ban on Flag Burning...nope, never delivered.

[6] Radical legislation designed to make the United States into a theocracy...nope, never delivered.

The definition of insanity is to continue to make the same mistakes and expect a different result.

It's laughable, but if "christians" are waking up to this Republican con job, why did it take this pack of twits 40 years to figure that they are indeed being conned?

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U.S. Politics is a Stupid Game
Posted by: PaulK on Mar 21, 2008 1:05 PM   
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I want Evangelicals to step back and have a bit of sense.

Politics is two parties which regularly realign. Whenever one party gets ahead, the other party bites the bullet and pries a minority group free from the first party.

As a result, when you vote for a Republican you vote for a thief. When you vote for a Democrat you vote for a slightly different thief. I really hope you like thorough thieves, because that's what you bought into. Long-run, it's pretty much a no-win game.

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Its like watching Nazi Germany LIVE on the Internet!
Posted by: Cathyc on Mar 21, 2008 1:07 PM   
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Thanksbetojaysuz I don't live in America - if the recent blogs and comments on Alternet are anything to go by!

Then again, I live in Ireland and its not much better here either, but that's because we are now ruled by Corporate America, in place of the Catholic Church.

THEY never really left Ireland. Spooky, isn't it.....

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Us Vs. Them
Posted by: pdxstudent on Mar 21, 2008 1:51 PM   
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It's the quintessential conservative gesture. In this sense, liberals (for now on read as: self-avowed liberal-progressive) are at their heart conservative, for they fight to maintain this division, base their approach to human suffering on this division. Liberals are the symptom of conservatives, not their opposite and not their cure. You'd have to be a conservative to think this indicts liberals either.

It doesn't indict liberals because there is nothing intrinsically liberal about anything a self-avowed liberal does or advocates. And when the liberal says, either to themselves or to others, that they are liberals, they are no longer talking about about the world of human suffering, but abstraction. This is why Hegel says in one of his earlier essays, "Who Thinks Abstractly?", that the uneducated and not the educated are the ones prone to dehumanizing abstraction.

This is all that is at stake in the liberal vision, which I should point out is separate from the vision to end oppression of every sort. The liberal qua liberal has no consciousness of their being liberal or conservative nor of anyone else in that respect. The liberal qua liberal does not have a stake in who aligns themselves with so-called liberal or conservative platforms. They do not care what people say they are doing or what other people say they or others are doing, so long as something is getting done. This does not mean that this liberal is transcendent of the pettiness of abstract political babble, but that they are infinitely immanent to the human condition itself. They embody freedom that is beyond abstract human rights and care of nothing else making the same available to others.

If evangelical Christians want to help the poor and save the planet, there is no point in questioning them, except to conserve a divide between so-called conservatives and so-called liberals.

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I don't get what people are complaining about.
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 21, 2008 2:25 PM   
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There is only one thing that will overthrow the insane Party of Death, and that is people.

American politics is a pendulum. It swings one way as far as it can, and unchecked, it reaches an extreme height. Just before it goes over the top, there is a correction, and the pendulum begins its swing in the other direction. I will see this three times in my lifetime. The prosperous, straight-laced, repressive 'fifties with its conservative fears and moral majorities, and its asian war, gave way to the sixties, when the children, with another asian war as a catalyst, flew in the face of their parents' values, and made everything free--love, drugs, babies, abortion, welfare, on and on.

Reagan started the next swing. Barack said this, when he said that the people got tired of the excesses of the 'sixties and 'seventies, and wanted a government with a more entrepreneurial spirit--read fewer entitlement programs, more tax advantages for business which were supposed to "trickle down". We're sitting at the extreme height of that Reagan pendulum, and it's about to swing back.

Why does it surprise anyone that the real people in the pews at evangelical churches are refusing to follow in lockstep after politically motivated, power-grabbing, money-loving church franchisees? They maybe remember that once-upon-a-time, their church was involved with the poor, deplored war, preached the Gospel as it was meant to be preached, and didn't use condemnation as its singular, most important work. If they are members of a mega-church, they probably miss community.

Reverend Hunter says some of these things, and says that people want to be represented in their spirit as well as their issues, and that if a Republican won't do it, they will take their votes away.

Why isn't this sweet music to your ears? It is to mine. It restores me in my faith that people are not different, that there isn't a whole different breed of men and women who take joy in condemning and shunning folks just like them.

I have been saying again and again that it's over for the Party of Death and the extremist hangers on who scratch its back. That goes for the men in the pulpit who preach divisiveness and hate, and the radio and television money whores who clack and flack the insane agenda.

Over. Finis. Done.

It's time to celebrate, not find fault.

And besides, Right Wing, Wrong Bird is one of the best book titles I've heard in a long time. :-D

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Yay, Jesus!
Posted by: Lincolnfan on Mar 21, 2008 2:37 PM   
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Where can I get a door-sized poster of the illustration that accompanies this article? =)

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We are all learning - not just the 'Evangelicals'
Posted by: kiwijohn on Mar 21, 2008 3:57 PM   
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'Religion' as we know it today offers constructive 'starting blocks' for thinking human beings, including Evangelicals. Its political context will undoubtedly change over the next few generations, it is here to stay one way or another.

Over the years, I have met and had the privilege of conversing with some extraordinarily gifted and creative individuals who have occupied positions of responsibility in the Christian, Muslim, and Jewish religions - even one extraordinary Roman Catholic, Jesuit priest who had a dispensation from Rome to run a Mosque on a temporary basis - this was in Le Mans, France back in the 1970s. At the time I met him, I was out to discover and change the world, as one does at the age of 18, and I confronted this fellow: "Do you really believe in a God"... his answer: "Yes, sometimes" was a great relief for the very young mind engrossed in trying to separate the sheep from the goats (from memory it was mainly Schoppenhaur, Kant, Marcuse and Jung I was trying to definitively dissect and categorize). Didn't help that much in the end, because I never did really understand these guys.

Religious Belief, Evangelical or otherwise, is just one of many alternative paths; one of the ways to develop as a human being. From a fundamentalist religious perspective, the value of 'Religion' probably does depend on all sorts of approved codes of conduct, centered around a very formally determined recipe for one's belief in a God and the accompanying printed word (menu). That's ok. Many people find fulfillment in this path for their whole time on earth and many do not. Let them be, whatever their inclination. Why criticize them for being human beings learning to live?

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» RE: We are all learning. Posted by: Longdream
WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING
Posted by: outrider on Mar 21, 2008 4:58 PM   
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The Lord Jesus Christ warned His followers, "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.." When the various religions take the necessary steps to become political parties, then and only then should they be involved in politics.

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» RE: WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING? Posted by: Longdream
People seem to forget before 9/11
Posted by: cisc on Mar 21, 2008 5:50 PM   
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we had the Oklahoma City bombing, the Olympic Park bombing, the Anthrax attacks, and Waco (I'm not buying that was Janet Reno, or Louie Freeuh who happily let her take the blame it was the nut who started and finished it). People like Robertson, Falwell, Dobson, Hagee, Parsley have LONG spread divisiveness and hatred from the pulpit and no one dares call them to account for it. Those were all white christian extremists unless you discount the Anthrax attacks-and perhaps those were never solved because the FBI didn't want to look under the rock where they were going to find that criminal. With all the outrage and disgust with Reverend Wright you think some could be spared for the others? Christ was a seeker of justice and peace, I hear Mohammed taught the same thing, I am not knowlegable enough in Islam to speak to that but I don't have to be black to see a screaming double standard here.

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» RE: People seem to forget before 9/11 Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal
They Finally Read the Gospels
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Mar 21, 2008 6:40 PM   
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Wow, it's nice to see that some of these people have finally actually read the Gospels.

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