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Going Bankrupt: Why the Debt Crisis Is America's Greatest Threat

By Chalmers Johnson, Tomdispatch.com. Posted January 23, 2008.


Welcome to 2008, a year of morally obscene, fiscally unsustainable spending. Watch as the military bloats and our standard of living sinks.
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Within the next month, the Pentagon will submit its 2009 budget to Congress and it's a fair bet that it will be even larger than the staggering 2008 one. Like the Army and the Marines, the Pentagon itself is overstretched and under strain -- and like the two services, which are expected to add 92,000 new troops over the next five years (at an estimated cost of $1.2 billion per 10,000), the Pentagon's response is never to cut back, but always to expand, always to demand more.

After all, there are those disastrous Afghan and Iraqi wars still eating taxpayer dollars as if there were no tomorrow. Then there's what enthusiasts like to call "the next war" to think about, which means all those big-ticket weapons, all those jets, ships, and armored vehicles for the future. And don't forget the still-popular, Rumsfeld-style "netcentric warfare" systems (robots, drones, communications satellites, and the like), not to speak of the killer space toys being developed; and then there's all that ruined equipment out of Iraq and Afghanistan to be massively replaced -- and all those ruined human beings to take care of.

You'll get the gist of this from a recent editorial in the trade magazine Aviation Week & Space Technology:

"The fact Washington must face is that nearly five years of war have left U.S. forces worse off than they have been in a generation, yes, since Vietnam, and restoring them will take budget-building unlike any in the past."

Even on the rare occasion when -- as in the case of Boeing's C-17 cargo plane -- the Pentagon decides to cancel a project, there's Congress to remember. Contracts and subcontracts for weapons systems, carefully doled out to as many states as possible, mean jobs, and so Congress often balks at such cuts. (Fifty-five House members recently warned the Pentagon of a "strong negative response" if funding for the C-17 is excised from the 2009 budget.) All in all, it adds up to a defense menu for a glutton.

Already, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates has said that 2009 funding is "largely locked into place." The giant military-industrial combines -- Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon -- have been watching their stocks rise in otherwise treacherous times. They are hopeful. As Ronald Sugar, Northrop CEO, put it: "A great global power like the United States needs a great navy and a great navy needs an adequate number of ships, and they have to be modern and capable" -- and guess which company is the Navy's largest shipbuilder?

There should be nothing surprising in all this, especially for those of us who have read Chalmers Johnson's Nemesis, The Last Days of the American Republic, the final volume of his Blowback Trilogy. Published in 2007, it is already a classic on what imperial overstretch means for the rest of us. The paperback of Nemesis is officially out today, just as global stock markets tumble. It is simply a must-read (and if you've already read it, then get a copy for a friend). In the meantime, hunker in for Johnson's latest magisterial account of how the mightiest guns the Pentagon can muster threaten to sink our own country. (For those interested, click here to view a clip from a new film, "Chalmers Johnson on American Hegemony," in Cinema Libre Studios' Speaking Freely series in which he discusses military Keynesianism and imperial bankruptcy.) -- Introduction by Tom Englehardt, editor of TomDispatch.

Going Bankrupt

Why the Debt Crisis Is Now the Greatest Threat to the American Republic
By Chalmers Johnson

The military adventurers of the Bush administration have much in common with the corporate leaders of the defunct energy company Enron. Both groups of men thought that they were the "smartest guys in the room," the title of Alex Gibney's prize-winning film on what went wrong at Enron. The neoconservatives in the White House and the Pentagon outsmarted themselves. They failed even to address the problem of how to finance their schemes of imperialist wars and global domination.


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Another great & insightful article by Chalmers Johnson.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 23, 2008 1:04 AM   
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If there is any authority worth listening to on what is wrong with U.S. foreign, economic and military policy, it is Chalmers Johnson.

Another element here is that the U.S. military plays the role of oil guardian all around the world. This is true in Africa, in the Middle East, in the Caspian, in South Asia and Indonesia, and so on. For more, see Michael Klare on on oil wars and the American military, 2004:

"It has been argued that our oil-protection role is a peculiar feature of the war in Iraq, where petroleum installations are strewn about and the national economy is largely dependent on oil revenues.

But Iraq is hardly the only country where American troops are risking their lives on a daily basis to protect the flow of petroleum. In Colombia, Saudi Arabia, and the Republic of Georgia, U.S. personnel are also spending their days and nights protecting pipelines and refineries, or supervising the local forces assigned to this mission.

American sailors are now on oil-protection patrol in the Persian Gulf, the Arabian Sea, the South China Sea, and along other sea routes that deliver oil to the United States and its allies. In fact, the American military is increasingly being converted into a global oil-protection service."


There is a way out of this mess - but it involves standing the entire global energy order on its head.

A good beginning step would be to funnel the entire stimulus package proposed by Bush and Congress (some $200 billion) to domestic renewable energy infrastructure and financing.

It's entirely possible to run a reasonable national energy system on a mixture of solar PV, wind turbines and various biofuels. Germany has a proposed plan to do just this - for details, see Germany's plan for a fully renewable electricity grid, YouTube. At the very least, we could end all energy imports (petroleum and natural gas) to the United States.

Even elements within the U.S. military are coming around to this viewpoint. The military is now the largest single institutional user of solar photovoltaics in the United States (World's Largest Solar PV Project to Power Nevada Military Base, 2006).

However, the main obstacles to such a plan (which would do wonders for the U.S. current accounts) are the entrenched fossil fuel interests in the United States and in allied countries such as Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and their friends and allies in the financial, media, and political worlds.

Every year since Nixon, a U.S. president gets up on a platform and makes a speech about energy independence. Recall all of Bush's talk about "hydrogen-powered cars?" There are no hydrogen-powered cars, nor are they likely to ever take off. A far better option is the purely electric vehicle, such as the Telsa Motors Electric Car.

Recall Nancy Pelosi's promises in 2006 to cut subsidies for Big Oil and transfer those subsidies to renewable energy? The final bill that passed the Senate was a gutted travesty that had all the meaningful provisions stripped out by Republicans and a few Democrats.

In the future, everything will be run on clean renewable energy produced domestically in the United States - and this could have been done decades ago, but for the fossil fuel industry and their political and media minions. It's really the only way out of the mess we're in - i.e., global warfare over diminishing petroleum reserves, an overstretched imperial posture, and fossil-fueled global warming.

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Good Riddance!
Posted by: skoog5600 on Jan 23, 2008 1:39 AM   
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A well written and thoughtful article, again by Mr. Johnson. Thank you.

This reminds me of Eisenhower's fear of the MIC speech.

I have long knew that the US was on a long downward spiral. So I got out when I could.

I don't care how patriotic you are, or how great, powerful and rich you think the United States is, you cannot stop the natural law of "what goes up must come down."

I for one am glad to not be paying taxes, which goes to the military. It is such a good feeling.

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America - The Next "Former" Country.
Posted by: strahlungsamt on Jan 23, 2008 3:07 AM   
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America will rise again! Under it's new foreign masters.

Because of the cheap dollar, desperate workforce and lack of environmental or human rights protections, the USA is becoming the next Eastern Europe for profiteers to rape and pillage.

Soon, we'll all have our old jobs back. At Chinese wages. And if you want a promotion, you'd better Parlez Francais.

I guess what goes around comes around. For years, America danced with joy as Eastern Europe got bought out at wholesale prices, as cheap Chinese labour replaced Good-ol' American labour, and bosses mockingly told everyone to re-invent themselves, go back to school etc.

Now the shoe's on the other foot.

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» RE: America - The Next "Former" Country. Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com
» The Home of Shoes and Booze Posted by: mcartri
Marx Was Right
Posted by: Sparks56 on Jan 23, 2008 4:29 AM   
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Karl Marx was right; the only real power is economic. As a person who grew up in the Cold War, hiding in the basement of my elementary school in air raid drills in case the mean old Russians dropped a sputnik-bomb on us, and who was constantly bombarded with propaganda about the horrible commies and the absolute beauty and rightiousness of the good old US of A, the largest communist meanie of them all, China, now holds our economy and government in the palm of its hand. If the Chi-coms,(Rush Limbeau's condescending term,) stopped buying US gov't bonds, with the money we send them through Wal Mart etc.,the US government would simply shut down. If they put the US bonds they hold on the open market, the US dollar would have a one to one value with the yen.
The same holds for all our other foreign creditors. It is not in their economic interest to do this, yet. Inevitably, it will be.

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» RE: Marx Was Right Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: Marx Was Right Posted by: jumpr
A Collapse That Will Be Well-Deserved
Posted by: Whistler on Jan 23, 2008 5:25 AM   
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Frankly, it will be a day of just desert when the economy of the US completely collapses. There would be little weeping and gnashing of teeth around the world. In a very big way, we will all be responsible. There would be the majority which supported the invasions, the lies, the looting by active support or the free ticket given to the looters by such luxurious assertions, "I don't get into politics." Make no mistake, the rich have already secured their stolen loot somewhere 'out there,' but obviously not in America. When the US collapses, those who profiteered on America's demise will be sucking down martinis on some far off exotic beach far away from the ensuing chaos that will erupt back in the US with not a glimmer of conscience anywhere in sight.

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» RE: Whaddaya mean WE paleface? Posted by: UnEasyOne
» Deep Sleep Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: Deep Sleep Posted by: strahlungsamt
» RE: Deep Sleep - or COMA? Posted by: Cathyc
well there it is...
Posted by: peridot on Jan 23, 2008 6:53 AM   
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BIG TANKS = small paychecks!

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Another great man with understanding of what Mr. Johnson...
Posted by: poppop_schell on Jan 23, 2008 6:58 AM   
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is saying about debt is Ron Paul. No other candidate has an understanding of history and econmoics like RP does.

Ronpaul2008.com

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» http://www.henryckliu.com/ Posted by: AlienSlave
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» Ron Paul, in his own words: Posted by: thoughtcriminal
Too bad the social con fundies aren't waking up to this mess.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 23, 2008 7:04 AM   
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Their obsession of guns, gays, abortion, god, terrorism, etc ... are what made it completely easier than ever imagined for the current economic DYSFUNCTIONALITY to exist.

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» Interesting comment. Posted by: aka_bozo
Lessons from history
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Jan 23, 2008 7:09 AM   
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I don't have the actual economic or historic details, but from what I have read, it seems that there have been many empires that have been destroyed by over-extending their military ventures. At the same time, I've never heard of any country or world power that expired due to excessive spending on education, health care, or other domestic needs. If anyone has supporting or contradictory evidence, I'd be glad to know about it.

In response to a previous poster, most Americans didn't support the invasion of Iraq. The media's cheerleading would lead one to believe that Americans were almost 100% behind the Bush administration, but even here in West-by-god-Virginia, the vast majority of the people I know were dead set against it. This includes, but is not limited to, working class people, small business owners, teachers, and lawyers. Of course, there were some die-hard "patriots" and rightwingers who believed in the "America First" principle and thought we needed to crush anyone who might stand in the way of America's interests, but they were the minority.

"We" do not deserve what has happened to our country. Those of us who marched on Washington and local towns across the country, wrote letters to newspapers, signed petitions, called our representatives and senators, and spoke out in protest surely do not deserve the devastation forced upon us by those in power. People without economic or political clout who simply go to work every day, try to vote their conscience in elections, struggle to survive from paycheck to paycheck, and raise their children to the best of their ability have no real voice in how our elected (more or less) leaders rule.

There's a great commentary in the new Harpers by Lewis Lapham concerning our legislators and presidents that sheds a lot of light on the nature of American "democracy."

As an aside: "It's" is not a possessive! This is just one more example of how poorly our schools educate people. It is amazing how many posters don't understand the differences among plurals, contractions, and possessives. Obviously some of our country's budget should be used to increase funding for education so our citizens could, at the very least, use their native language properly. I don't know this for a fact, but I'd be likely to win a bet that the same people who want to make English our national language couldn't write more than two or three sentences in a row that were grammatically correct. A lot of them probably don't even speak English correctly.

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» "Big government" Posted by: LeeAnnG
» RE: "Big government" Posted by: dover23
» RE: Lessons from history Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com
With the crash inevitable, let's look to the solution
Posted by: amacd on Jan 23, 2008 7:52 AM   
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Since the market crash and depression are now foregone as inevitable, aside from removing all ‘Vichy’ political and media whores who have been pawns of the underlying global corporatist Empire behind this crony capitalist disaster, the most important issue is now to build understanding and commitment for the following essential solution and to insure that unlike the crash of ’29 that these same crooks can not return:

The only sustainable solution to this elite corporatist Empire's destruction of the US (and global) economy of people, is to relentlessly regulated illegal 'gaming' of faux profits out of the marketplace.

The seminal mechanism which 'cheaters' use to destroy our economy is by 'gaming' the known market failure of negative externality dumping with increasingly sophisticated scams:

Mirroring the cheating of industrial corporations which used the well known
market failure of negative externality cost displacement to dump pollutants
like cigarette smoke in their customers' lungs, these new financial cheaters expanded the negative externality dumping scam to include the more sophisticated financial negative externalities of CDOs, SIVs, credit swaps, and other 'debt bombs' which they dumped in our country's financial lungs.

The country learned the right legal and regulatory lesson of the industrial age by countering intentional negative externality cheating scams with the rule of 'polluter pays' ---- as in the massive tobacco corporation settlement for knowingly causing lung cancer.

Now we need to extend the proper medicine of 'polluter pays' by making those not-so-smart, but very devious financial cheaters (and their corrupt bosses and investor elites) take their 'polluter pays' medicine for the negative externality 'debt bombs' that they knowingly planted in America's economic lungs.

As even Las Vegas knows, confiscating the illegal ‘gaming’ winnings of cheaters is not really confiscating --- it’s just the way the house makes the cheaters pay up (short of killing them).

After all, doing anything less than enforcing 'polluter pays', would only create the 'moral hazard' of incenting investors to participate in more negative externality Ponzi cheating scams. And as Nixon famously said, "We could do that, but it would be wrong".

The well known ‘market failure’ of ‘negative externality cost dumping’ destroys any chance of a truly constructive capitalist economy, because it actually hides the real ‘cost data signals’ that are essential for proper investment capital allocation.

Gaming the financial markets by abusing this well known market failure of negative externality cost dumping also destroys any chance of a fair and constructive financial marketplace by obscuring the market valuations of new technically innovative (Schumpeterian) and positive externality opportunities --- and hiding the market valuation risks of older entrenched corporations dependent on negative externality cost displacement for their faux profits.

Therefore, in both the real economy, and the financial economy, ‘gaming’ and cheating by hiding externality cost data distorts any free market fairness of an ‘invisible hand’, and instead places the hand of a cheating and entrenched ‘moneyed Empire’ where Adam Smith hoped human freedom to rein.

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The most important things to rectify
Posted by: Intellect on Jan 23, 2008 8:22 AM   
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"Some of the damage done can never be rectified. There are, however, some steps that this country urgently needs to take. These include reversing Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for the wealthy, Etc."

The most important things that need to be reversed or restored are our Constitutional freedoms and insisting that the mandates of the First Amendment be vigorously reinstated including getting religion out of government, free speech and not "free speech zones", and requiring the divestiture of the media from the six or so multinational corporations that control almost all the media.

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» Really Pissed Off Posted by: Ivann
» RE: eally Pissed Off Posted by: poppop_schell
a j weishar
Posted by: AJWeishar on Jan 23, 2008 9:19 AM   
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One major item that is lost in the mind boggling numbers is the fact that the Defense Department has not passed an audit for many years. The "checkbook" is out of balance by over a trillion dollars. This is money that is missing or cannot be accounted for.

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» Out of balance... Posted by: Cathyc
Slash the defense budget. It's not needed.
Posted by: ordaj on Jan 23, 2008 10:20 AM   
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We already have the nukes to wipe anyone else on the planet off the face of the earth. So aall we have to do is maintain them.

And if any nation tried to invade us, we have a billion guns and an armed citizenry. You think Iraq is a quagmire with its insurgency? Try an angry, armed U.S. citizenry of 300 million people.

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All right, so it wasn't ALL the bushies' fault
Posted by: willymack on Jan 23, 2008 10:48 AM   
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Does it mean that we let the bastards merrily ride off into the sunset with the enormous wealth stolen from us since the stolen "election" in 2000? Is that the right thing to do-or NOT do? Don't we have the responsibility to go after these criminals and bring them to justice as well as recovering by confiscation, the loot they took from our people? It isn't enough to elect the right person into the White House; we need a clean sweep in Congress as well. Maybe then, the gutless Pelosis and Reids will take courage and initiate a moral imperative that will set an example for real justice and post a warning to any future cheneys and dubyas.

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Hard Times On America's "Easy Street"
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jan 23, 2008 10:56 AM   
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This article should be sent to every politican in the nation's capitol and to every elected official in the country.
It is no secret now that countinued military spending has put us into a huge debt and its effects has spilled over to Easy Street.
Look around: foreclosures have dominated the news along with subsequent reports of bankruptcy filings; families aren't making it, no matter how the media portrays entrepreneurs or venture capitalists.
Last week a family on my street had their house on foreclosure and it remains to be seen where they would go. They're not the only one. When you see a family or person lose their house, it can have a domino effect. And there was talk in Los Angeles last year by a city councilman who came up with a "modest" proposal to enact some legislation for the city to draft a bill to bail out homeowners from foreclosure.
It didn't fly, of course. Some said it was a zany idea and he was laughed at and ridiculed in the editorial pages. And others said people do not deserve to be bailed out because of poor financial decisions.
Now I wonder if we're having second thoughts. Homewonership is the nation's societal pulse; the more homewoners we have the better. But when it dips below a certain number, we're in trouble.
Chaos ensues. Even having a dual income is no guarantee against economic uncertainty. And homeownership becomes an elusive goal. It used to be the keystone of the American dream (which is a nightmare thanks to ever-increasing military spending). Workers feel trapped like a chess piece that can't move.
The point here is that the Bushies are paying attention to it (foreclosures), but it may be too late. The damage has been done. We're losing. Military expenditures are a bet with the devil. And we gambled and lost. And we've just been handed the bill (gulp!)
Loss of a job could lead to despair. Hard times follow.
So, what's it going to be, America? Do you want to keep feeding the military monster, or do you want to spend your hard-earned money on domestic things? YOU can no longer have your cake and eat it, too. Otherwise you'll be eating bullets for breakfast.

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America Needs to Learn to be the Greatest Innovator
Posted by: edgar_michel on Jan 23, 2008 11:04 AM   
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If the United States is only an importer based on the military's ability to punish any country not willing to work for slave wages, what happens when the military ultimately falters? What happens to the American people who know not how to survive without the world providing their living? American's look to their military for security; what security does the military provide if they can't provide even one bushel of food? Wake up America. The American military doesn't provide security; it only provides the insecurity of never knowing when they might turn their gaze on you. As a country, this nations needs to be able to take care of their own needs. Instead America has become a net consumer of world products and therefore indebted to the rest of the world for its survival. Is that a position American's feel comfortable with? I want to do something positive to make America a net producer of energy for the world, but I find myself being beaten every inch of the way because America wants me to get on board and be a good consumer and let the military do its job of acquiring energy for America from countries that don't have a substantial military. What the military really wants is money, and if you don't give it to them they will use their weapons on you. Is that security? What do you think of that America? Isn't it true that you are afraid of your own military? Is that security? How can America become the place where problems are solved, the waters run clear and the sky is blue? What can America contribute to the world, rather than what can America take from the world. How can America become the great innovator that solves both the energy problem and the environmental problem at the same time. Think of it America, can you do it, or will you just roll over do nothing?

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An Embarrasment of Riches ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 23, 2008 12:43 PM   
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Today on Alternet : Chalmers , Ehrenreich andd Weisbrot ...

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If There Is Only One Dime Left In America
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Jan 23, 2008 12:46 PM   
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It will be in the hands of the military-industrial complex, due to the fact that it has taken complete control of the government. Regular Americans will starve, while the weapons makers will still get their handouts. You can see this already: one-fifth of the population has no health care, and the country's infrastructure is crumbling away.

Anyone hoping that this country's fiscal problems will finally put the lid on American imperial ambitions will wind up being very disappointed. The military industrial complex can only be dismantled by direct, pointed political action against it.

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Americans' Personal Debt
Posted by: harpy on Jan 23, 2008 1:43 PM   
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should also be discussed here. It's not just the mortgage crisis - look at the credit card debt. People that used to be paying interest rates of 8 or 10% are now facing 30% interest rates because the credit card companies can get away with it. That's another legacy of the Bushies - letting the credit card companies write the bankruptcy bill. Think about it, they raise consumers' interest rates to make up for their own losses and although you never missed a payment, or were never late, or never went over limit, suddenly they raise your rate, which raises your payment, and more of it going to interest. If they want to stimulate the economy they need to roll back those rates and let you pay down your debt!!!

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Debt Load
Posted by: rafey on Jan 23, 2008 2:00 PM   
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Although it is true that the market is subject to swings, what few appear to understand is Bernanke is supposed to prevent or, at the very least, minimize the effect of such swings. Additionally the ability to weather the storm depends on the magnitude of the surplus. But WAIT! We don't have a surplus ! What we do have (what the Asian countries like China and India do not have) is the nation's most historic debt load. We are, in fact, the biggest debtor nation around. Yes, our debt load was monstrous near the end of the 80's and the market crash that followed did not help but still it was not even a fraction of a fraction of today's load. It is not very likely that we shall be able to pull out of this one without extraordiary sacrifices by the middle class who will now be forced to pay for the reckless plunder of assets, extraordinary waste and zero planning ahead that has occurred over the past decade. Fortunately for me, I learned from the Reagan experience and sold all my investments when Bush took office. Of course, that dosn't help the nation much but at least it does not leave me on the rim of bankruptcy as I was by the time Mush #1 took office.

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military bloat
Posted by: barbs on Jan 23, 2008 2:08 PM   
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and is there a presidential candidate out there who would dare to mention 'military bloat??? or dare to hold the military budgets to accountability??? I'm waiting for someone to be stand up and be a leader on the waste, fraud and excessive spending....no wonder we're in an economic crisis...the piper has come to be paid.

this has become the 'third rail' for non discussion in this country.

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» RE: 'third rail' Posted by: aka_bozo
Where do we go from here?
Posted by: arieden on Jan 23, 2008 3:55 PM   
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This was a very interesting article and makes perfect sense to me. It's all about sustainability, whether it's our military economy, energy policy, pollution, etc.
The problem is that most people - including the politicians don't want to (or can't) deal with these issues.
Corporate Interests have been very effective at not only framing the debate but they have actually created the framework within which all of these issues are debated and thought about by the public at large.
It will be a HUGE undertaking to reframe this issue (and the others) so that there is a political will for change. And unfortunately, a lot of the traditional formats for progressive thoughts will just get tuned out or vilified as shrill or "socialist" or whacky.

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Spend...Spend...Spend!!!
Posted by: elfinito on Jan 23, 2008 4:25 PM   
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What's funny, is that all the economic packages are all focused around "stimulating spending"...I am sorry, but if in our culture of obsessive spending, we say that our economy's problem is not enough spending...than damn we have one screwed up system!!

It just shows how, regardless of what is good for individuals, all that matters in Washington is that American's are buying a bunch of crap they don't need in order to support our old-white-man corporate daddies!!

In a nation in debt (nationally and individually) up to our ears...how is increased saving and reduced spending bad for the economy?

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» You sound like Ron Paul ! Posted by: aka_bozo
It's money well spent
Posted by: east bay on Jan 23, 2008 5:08 PM   
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If you happen to be a corporation profiting.
The likes of Halliburton and Blackwater are pilfering everything they can and then some. They'll all do to Dubai after our inevitable fall. I just don't know what our politicians are thinking. But the American people have it coming as far as I'm concerned. Of course if your on this site, I don't mean you.

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The ones that did are dead
Posted by: east bay on Jan 23, 2008 5:11 PM   
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Like Paul Wellstone for one example. That's what pissed me off about the Al Gore Movie. He never once mentioned the Military and their spewing of more pollution then everyone on earth put together. Why didn't he put that in his stupid slide show.

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» RE: The ones that did are dead Posted by: richholland
End of empire
Posted by: Dr T on Jan 23, 2008 5:16 PM   
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Running out of money due to a bloated military budget was how the Soviet Union fell.

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Military Keynesianism = Mercantilist
Posted by: irenicus on Jan 23, 2008 5:34 PM   
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Forget "Military Keynesianism", what you are witnessing now is no different from the mercantilist policies of Britain and no doubt other empires before that.

The role of the US military is no different to the reason why the Royal Navy began: to protect private economic interests.

You have to forget there is such thing as America to your decision-makers (read: those with money).

All America is is a convenient abstract concept to collect revenue for what is essentially a private army.

They are not concerned with doing the best things for America, they are concerned with maximising their profits, and the military is a tool to achieve that.

Being publically-funded is a double bonus: they do not have to pay for what is otherwise a private army; and operating under the Government banner gives that private army an air of legitimacy.

And they could not care if the economy for the poor folks crash.

As long as they can maintain their profits and their military, the lower classes can go jump.

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fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism
Posted by: vzn on Jan 23, 2008 6:20 PM   
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learn about why ron paul suggests the basic
economic infrastructure is flawed at the roots.
a paper I wrote called "fractional reserve banking as economic
parasitism"

endorsed by two phd economists. printed in nexus
magazine, 60k world circulation. #1 top downloaded
economics paper. used by economics
teacher in australia as standard classroom material.

more info on request.


"fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism"



recent supporting material:



The Shock Doctrine: Naomi Klein on the Rise of Disaster Capitalism


Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions


John Perkins on "The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption"


Video, senator/pres candidate Dennis Kucinich at last years 2005 Monetary Reform Conference


money as debt video by Grignon

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