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Tossing Vick and Young Blacks to the Dogs

By Earl Ofari Hutchinson, New America Media. Posted July 23, 2007.


Professional dog fighting is a big, and expanding international business that’s way out of the reach of most poor young blacks.

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West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd trembled with rage on the Senate floor as he lashed out at the barbarity of dog fighting. Byrd, a well-known inveterate animal lover, didn’t mention star Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick by name in his animal defending tirade. Vick has been indicted on federal charges linked to gambling and dog fighting. But Massachusetts Senator John Kerry did mention Vick. He demanded that the NFL suspend Vick. There was no hint that they singled out Vick for attack for any reason other than that they were enraged that a high profile athlete had abused animals and thereby sullied sport.

But the Humane Society of America, the legion of animal rights groups, and a handful of sports commentators that want Vick’s head skipped the racial subtleties and virtually declared that dog fighting is the “sport” of the ghetto, glorified by rappers, indulged in with bloody relish by gang members, and now by black athletes like Vick.

A Humane Society official flatly declared that dog fighting goes with the gang culture in every urban area. The Chicago Anti-Cruelty Society made the even more fantastic, and equally unsupported, claim that nearly forty percent of primary school children have witnessed or been involved in dog fighting, and that it’s a new ghetto rite of passage.

The braid wearing Vick is rich, young, and defiant, and is a tailor made symbol of the spoiled, selfish primma donna black athlete that think and act as if they’re above the law. They are the emblem of the greed, selfish, and violence in sport and by extension in American society. The outlaw image of the violence prone, irresponsible black athlete has been drummed into the head of millions of Americans. It’s easy then to dump blame for a decade’s old flourishing international industry such as dog fighting on the head of a young black man.

Since Vick’s indictment the claim that thousands of young black gang members and potential gangsters are bloodying the streets with dogfights has been widely repeated to slam Vick and urban blacks. But there is absolutely no hard evidence to back the claim up. In fact, it hinges on the anecdotal remarks of a handful of police officials in Chicago and a couple of other cities who said that gang members stage dog fight to establish and protect gang and drug turfs.

If Vick did what he’s charged by the feds with, and Vick has yet to say anything about the charges, then he deserves to be punished and suspended by the league. Dog fighting is disgusting and as Byrd rightly said barbaric. But the barbarism of dog fighting that Byrd railed against is found in many more places than black urban areas, and is engaged in by thousands who aren’t young blacks out to make a rep for themselves by staging fighting matches with rival gang members.

Though banned in all fifty states and many countries, dog fighting is a popular blood sport in dozens of other countries. That includes England, Italy, Australia, South Africa and Canada. It’s even legally sanctioned in some countries such as Honduras and Japan. As late at the early 1940s the United Kennel Club endorsed dog fighting, devised sporting rules for the matches and provided referees for the fights. In years past and even today, dog fighting has been a wildly popular “sport” in the South, Midwest and rural areas.

There are at least a dozen magazines that promote dog fighting. One of the most popular, The Sporting Dog, has a circulation in the thousands worldwide. The buying, selling, breeding and training of dogs for fighting has long been a big, popular, and lucrative business, with registries for professional dogfighters and dog fighting trainers. Professional dogfighters invest large sums in training dogs to fight and openly boast that their fighting dogs are of pure lineage. Big bet dog matches are held in posh suburban areas and dog fighting enthusiasts who include athletes, celebrities, and businesspersons wager millions annually on these fights. In some bouts, bets that range upwards from $20,000 to 30,000 are placed. Professional dog fighting then is a big, and expanding international business that’s way out of the reach of most poor young blacks.

Vick is as much a victim of the skewed image of dog fighting as lowbrow urban phenomena as he is of his irresponsible, alleged criminal, participation in the business. But if Vick is guilty so are thousands of others that revel in and make big profits from this barbaric “sport.” Despite Byrd and Kerry’s self-serving ire at Vick, and demand that the NFL give him the boot which is reportedly in the works, dogfight profiteers aren’t found solely in poor inner city neighborhoods.

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Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His new book The Latino Challenge to Black America: Towards a Conversation between African-Americans and Hispanics (Middle Passage Press and Hispanic Economics New York) in English and Spanish will be out in October.

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The Humane Society Wants To Treat Us Like Animals
Posted by: hole11 on Jul 23, 2007 11:29 AM   
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What is so humane about them anyways? Are they volunteers that want to do away with our rights? So dogs fight? Big deal. That shouldn't warrant jail time.

You ever see cats fight? How about a snake and mongoose?

How many animals do the Humane society destroy every year? As if I care.

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» No Chinese Were Harmed Posted by: hole11
» RE: No Chinese Were Harmed Posted by: Enigma
» He's Right! Posted by: opeluboy
Vick is not a victim in any way, shape, or form.
Posted by: kevred on Jul 23, 2007 2:46 PM   
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He's an ultra-privileged member of the economic elite, astronomically more free than most members of any race or culture. If he's guilty of this offense, he's done it by his own choice, and deserves what he gets.

Of course, everyone who's guilty of this offense deserves harsh punishment. But please save the label of 'victim' for those who really are. Everyone who participates in this cruelty does so by choice, and the only victims are the animals.

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It is racial profiling
Posted by: texshelters on Jul 23, 2007 4:38 PM   
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It's part of the white suburban wrestling culture to kill and take steroids:
"Chris Benoit killed his wife and 7-year-old son before hanging himself from his weight machine, authorities said on Tuesday."

Does this mean all white pro-athletes (wrestlers) are insane maniacs who kill their families?

Vick is wealthy and pampered and doesn't understand what cruelty to animals is. That is all. He doesn't represent anybody but himself and perhaps a few other wealthy athletes who have used their position to act irresponsibly and illegally. Moreover, just because a couple of pampered white politicians want to paint this as a "ghetto" issue, it doesn't mean the rest of the white population is that ignorant.

Once again it highlights how out of touch politicians and many white people are.

Joe Tex

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» RE: It is racial profiling Posted by: EasterBunny
» "out of touch white people" Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: It is racial profiling Posted by: texshelters
» RE: It is NOT racial profiling Posted by: texshelters
Vick is neither victim nor hero...What we have here is a failure..
Posted by: ekipnrut on Jul 23, 2007 7:19 PM   
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What Vick is alleged to be involved in may be compared to other equally reprehensible morally indefensible enterprises:
The kidnapping, buying, selling, and enslavement of
womenfor prostitution has long been a big, popular, and lucrative business, with clientele for professional pimps and international 'talent scouts'. Professional euro pimps invest large sums in enslaving women as whores and openly boast that their 'whores' are of the best lineage. Big orgies are held in posh suburban areas and patrons of the sex slave trade who include athletes, celebrities, and businesspersons spend millions annually on these women -some of whom are mere children ...
The article goes on to characterize Vick:
The braid wearing Vick is rich, young, and defiant, and is a tailor made symbol of the spoiled, selfish primma donna black athlete that think and act as if they’re above the law. They are the emblem of the greed, selfish, and violence in sport and by extension in American society. The outlaw image of the violence prone, irresponsible black athlete has been drummed into the head of millions of Americans
Defiant?....Not really. Mr. Vick displays the type of carefully controlled 'surly' faux rebelliouness that manages to confront
only those who are perceived to be in a decidedly vulnerable
state of comparative (relative) disadvantage,i.e. those sought
out by the typical gutless but vicious bully. Pitting animals against one another in this sadistic, perverted diversionary amusement of moral degenerates is a sign of a festering crisis in the national collective psyche. A malignant lack of empathy for fellow man or beast in keeping with the mind set of hard core DV (no doubt most of the 'macho' types at these events would not hesitate to smack their 'bitch' in line) ,indifference to or support of war crimes, celebration of vicarious violence
(being mindful to not offend the truly powerful), setting slack jawed grunting hostility as benchmark of aggressive do-rag eloquence rather than the silent determination of life force commitment to something other than the urges of primal self satisfaction. Defiant...Defiance in young white men and women was that of that of the White Rose,executed in Nazi Germany for defying the fascists from within the State horror. The essence of even fictionalized defiance was the indomitable 'fuck you' of Luke in prison rags not the whining of an NFL ball
'player' whose spandex is in a knot due to some glitch in his 37M signing bonus. Defiance?:
FH
....F some MV.........

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Dog fighting was cultivated by white prison gang members also
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Jul 23, 2007 10:08 PM   
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in fact, they were Aryan Brotherhood members. Anyone remember the case of the high priced lawyers, Marjorie Knoller and Robert Noel in San Francisco who had business and personal relationships with these lovely fellas? They and the lawyers bred nasty dogs, some for fighting, others for personal protection or rather random killing of innocent bystanders as it happened.

I don't know about black gangs, but there is a history of gangs and fighting dogs that is simply not surprising. Gangs have a culture of glorifying and enjoying gratuitous violence. So does organized crime. The same may be said of some over pumped up professional athletes, either from steroids or stupidity. It is not surprising that any of them might indulge in such a 'sport.'

Whether or not this has become part of the black gang or ghetto culture is for those with real knowledge of such cultures to report or explain. But obviously, they are not the only ones.

None of the above excuses Vick from rightfully being considered for a suspension.

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» So that makes it ok. Posted by: dkm
» RE: So that makes it ok. Posted by: Enigma
But it's true
Posted by: ccnygal13 on Jul 24, 2007 3:02 AM   
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Yes, dog fighting and general mistreatment of animals is huge in the ghetto. Especially of pitbulls. There is hard evidence. Just live there for a short period of time and you'll see it everywhere. Not only that, but the ASPCA oftentimes don't even respond to animal abuse cases in the ghetto, like Harlem. They are too overwhelmed with calls from that area and have given up on it. I've had to make three calls to them in the last year. It is disgusting to see animals being forced to fight, by manipulating it's instincts. This is just another reflection of how people treat people in the ghetto and most elsewhere.

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» RE: But it's true Posted by: neosoul
» RE: But it's true Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: But it's true Posted by: YogiBear
Victim
Posted by: Brandoc-D'Ha on Jul 24, 2007 5:17 AM   
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While I totally agree that dog fighting is cross-cultural. No way am I buying Vick as a victim. He is an animal abuser along with every other scum bag who fights dogs and deserves maximum penalties. No excuses or mitigating circumstances.

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Analysis of Vick Being a Victim is a Big Stretch
Posted by: schetikos on Jul 24, 2007 6:12 AM   
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Up front, I am black, raised in single-parent home, have a black wife and fervent Democrat. The arguments made in the article are garbage, because the fact remains, the sport Vick participated in is illegal. Second, someone who makes $7 million or so in endorsements from just one of his sponsors (Nike) and $10 million in salary does not or should not have to participate in an illegal activity and do so across the country.

Third, Vick is a role model, and unfortunately, he is the kind of role model that the NFL is trying to not promote, which is good. Tony Dungy's new book and his recent speeches talks about the concept of "no more excuses" for our black men, especially to not be responsible to their children, the communities and to themselves. Vick has "no excuse". Period. My mother says that poor people have poor ways, and Vick's behavior typifies what my mother was talking about because Vick continues to behave as a victim that does not want to be accountable, and yet we make excuses. I am terribly disappointed with Mr. Hutchinson's post, because you are making excuses when you should not have wasted the time to write such a weak and lame argument about Mr. Vick.

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» First... Posted by: ekipnrut
» RE: First... Posted by: Enigma
Trying to counter charges of animal abuse with charges of "racism" is pathetic.
Posted by: naryaquid on Jul 24, 2007 6:31 AM   
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I would name Vick, a rich athlete clearly in it for the "pleasure" not the money, as this year's LEAST sympathetic would-be "victim".

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Hog Dogs are Southern Ritual
Posted by: csoehl on Jul 24, 2007 6:33 AM   
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Along with the rise in dog-fighting among young African-Americans, we in South Carolina are also dealing with the rural issue of "hog-dogging." Dogs of all breeds are taught to attack and attempt to kill wild hogs and very little is done to discourage it. Unfortunately, these dogs are quite dangerous and as likely to attack children on bicycles as hogs. I lived next to a maniac in Florida who kept two of these dogs. As I was standing quietly in my backyard with my sheltie at my feet his dogs came flying around the corner of the house and attacked my dog. If I had not been there, he would have been killed. All forms of aggression training are dangerous. I worry that young men who idolize and emulate "role models" like Vick and his ilk will also become victims and, in turn, victimize their communities. Pit bulls have become a status symbol here in our city and the problem is likely to get a lot worse before it gets better.

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Puh-lease
Posted by: alphakat on Jul 24, 2007 6:36 AM   
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Can't believe the writer is making this argument! Vick is wealthy and an assclown, he doesn't get off because he's also black. There is a special place in hell for people who abuse animals.

Also, Hutchinson complains that there is no evidence to support that dog fighting is a ghetto phenomenon, but he has no trouble stating (without any evidence of his own, mind you) that dog fighting has long existed in the "South, Midwest and rural areas". I have lived in the Midwest all my life and have never seen or heard about a single dog fight. I'm sure it happens but it's hardly common or pervasive.

Disgusted by this article and its apologist tone.

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» RE: Puh-lease Posted by: pizzmoe
Vicktim?
Posted by: edith on Jul 24, 2007 7:40 AM   
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No. Michael Vick is not a victim but another spoiled, overpaid immature athlete who has no capacity to imagine someone else's(or something else's) feelings. He is a product of the factory NCAA "college" program(and Va. Tech is one of the worst) that mass-produces professional players who usually don't graduate and who are relatively untouched by the humanities and science classes that normal students must take.

Toss this Vick chump in a pit with some viper snakes. We'll see how "tough" this quarterback who beats up on poor dogs really is.

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So, what makes Vicks a victim?
Posted by: g on Jul 24, 2007 8:42 AM   
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His skin color, I guess. Or are all these white fans of dog-fighting that Hutchison mentions victims too? Does being black make you *automatically* a victim, even if you make more per month than I'll make in ten years? Does being black make you a victim even if you are a privileged personality and use your privileges to victimize others, be they dogs or humans? Give me a break. Yeah, Vick has a right to his day in court (with his 600$ per hour lawyers, the poor victim), and no one is asking that he'd be jailed without a trial. But we are outside of the court now, and the NFL and Nike should immediately disassociate themselves from this criminal. As long as they stick by him, he's still an athlete and for many a role model.

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wjneill
Posted by: wjneill on Jul 24, 2007 8:45 AM   
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Screw Vick. Throw him to the dogs and let others bet on his intellectual and physical prowess with a vicious, hungry, and horny pit bull. Or, if found guilty in after a fair and impartial trial, put him in a USMC rifle company in the Triangle of Death for 15 months and let him bet his way out of that.

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On a collision course..
Posted by: ejb on Jul 24, 2007 9:05 AM   
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When are we bringing in Thunderdome?
All the child rapists, animal abusers, wife/husband beaters, elderly abusers will have their 15 minutes in the spotlight and we could make LOTS of money!!!

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If this is a victim, what is a perpetrator?
Posted by: dkm on Jul 24, 2007 9:20 AM   
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I'm sorry, but Mr. Vick is no victim of anything, and trying to imply that he is by linking him with some absurd comments about other people by other people, is dishonest. I am a veterinarian and I have seen farm animals that have been abused by ignorance. That was bad enough. To consider animals ripped apart and beaten to death to be "enjoyment" is disgusting, and defending "people" who enjoy that has no place in a civil society. Vick is sick and needs to be placed in a mental care facility until such time as he is fit to be returned to society if that ever happens.

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victim?
Posted by: albanyco on Jul 24, 2007 9:46 AM   
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Whatever happened to something called personal responsibility? Articles like these illustrate what's wrong with so much these days -- everything is "somebody else's fault." Give me a break.

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Strange victim
Posted by: cef on Jul 24, 2007 9:52 AM   
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It appears Mr. Hutchinson hasn't walked through the ghetto in while. A lot of dudes are walking down the street there with dogs bred for pit fighting ferocity. He obviously doesn't read the local news either, where there are frequent reports of these animals mauling children. It's time to get off your butt Hutch and get out to see what's happening. Much better use of your time than trying to excuse Mr. Vick's cruelty.

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» RE: Strange victim Posted by: Enigma
» RE: Strange victim Posted by: EasterBunny
» RE: Strange victim Posted by: Enigma
» RE: Strange victim Posted by: YogiBear
color is irrelevant here
Posted by: Janet4784 on Jul 24, 2007 9:56 AM   
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I don't care if he's black, white, or pink with purple polka dots. What a pathetic attempt to play the race card. He was involved with extreme animal cruelty at the very least, and as an overpaid athlete should be held to the highest of standards. Millions of people unfortunately look up to stars and emulate their behavior. Dealing harsh punishment here is the only way to counter the damage already done by this arrogant fool. Part of his punishment should be doing free public service announcements and appearances denouncing dogfighting. Then something positive might come out of this ugliness.

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» RE: color is irrelevant here Posted by: phatkhat
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» RE: color is irrelevant here Posted by: neosoul
the ugly truth
Posted by: EasterBunny on Jul 24, 2007 12:02 PM   
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from yahoo article:

"Vick's indictment states that several pit bulls at his Surry County home were killed if they weren't strong enough to fight. The federal government says Vick and his associates executed the dogs "by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

some role model.

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Dog fighting, bullfighting, cockfighting, etc.
Posted by: willymack on Jul 24, 2007 12:17 PM   
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Are NOT sports. They're activities for degenerates why like to see pain and suffering or who profit from them. Race is not an issue here' as there's only ONE race of mankind.

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pro sports...of dogs and men
Posted by: The Populist on Jul 24, 2007 12:25 PM   
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pro sports is just one of the opiates the plutocrats use to divide, manipulate, and dumb down the working class and the poor. Sure "gangstas" like dog fighting...because african americans have been treated worse than dogs by our culture, for centuries!!!!! centuries!!!! the abused becomes the abuser. they abuse their own people, and of course they will abuse poor animals.

in this day and age, judges and law enforcement still give harsher sentences and treatment to african americans.

everyone but me uses the N word in my office.

as for Vick, and anyone with the braids and "gangsta" act...fuck you!!!! talk about labeling yourself for hate!! its like the young woman waring a mullet, a sleeveless t shirt, a trucker wallet, and boots....guess what, she's a lesbian....she is screaming it out!! so are the "gangsta" types.

centuries of persecution have devolved the african american community into a culture of crime, illegitamacy, drugs and prison. A culture whose heros are "pimps" and "playas" and the so called "roll models" of pro sports amplify the image instead of making their own!!

Fuckem!!

Los Populisto Blog

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» RE: pro sports...of dogs and men Posted by: The Populist
» I love my niggas......... Posted by: jonestown kool-aid
Dr. Hutchinson is on point with this one Gang members will do anything
Posted by: neosoul on Jul 24, 2007 1:44 PM   
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To enhance his or her 'tough stance', and since dog fighting is illegal and if Vick did bankroll the operation he will pay the price. I am sick and tired of the media linking everything a black man does as some criminal or gangster code. Considering that DOG FIGHTING started in Rome and is part of a multi- million dollar international network to try to link it to urban Black Men or Hip- Hop is another BS hustle designed to sell papers and advertising space for angry white people. Now that the racial vultures are swimming in the water again from Bill O" Lielly, Russell Simmons, PETA, and the "Big Chitlin" Jason Whitlock trying to tie everything from clothing to hairstyle as "dangerous" and criminal behavior is another excercise in black guilt. That is why I keep white people and Black apologists like Whitlock at arms length.

Considering out of 3,000 professional althletes in this country out of 1100 who are black and only 80- 90 end up on a police blotter each year usually for DUI, I can't get worked up over less than 10% of Black American althletes acting a fool and i white folks and their black apologists are so worked up and mad about those 10% of black Black Players who make ESPN blotter here is my solutions...

1. Don't attend their games

2. Boycott the league (don't purchase any of their shit)

3. Follow another sport (i.e. NECKCAR, HOT DOG EATING)

4.SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!

WHITEBOYS RESENT ANY BLACK MALE MAKING MORE MONEY THAN THEM SO THEY GO ON THESE SPORTS SITES TO VENT THEIR RACISM AND 'TOUGH GUY ' ATTITUDE.

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» Don't have to assume.... Posted by: ekipnrut
bill davidson
Posted by: pnut on Jul 24, 2007 2:37 PM   
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What do we expect of mr. vick the way mr. bush treats life of people mr vick is just following along with bush but on dogs. I love dogs they depend 100% on their owners if in any way you are mean to your dog I think you should be put in jail for life and I mean untail you die that is it. I know people are mean to their animals,I do not like people who hunt deer for their rack, they think it makes them look good, but it does not. Bill Davidson

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The (manipulative racist scheming ) enemy of my enemy is NOT...
Posted by: ekipnrut on Jul 24, 2007 3:40 PM   
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my goddamned F'n 'friend'....
The usual sewer gas subterfuge of white racist attempts to use the Vick situation as a means of denigrating the entire Black community is to be expected..What TF else is new...That KNOWN and TO BE EXPECTED fact is no excuse for Vick. If anything it is yet another count in the Vick 'indictment', i.e.
"conduct unbecoming a (presumed) black man who should have KNOWN how this shit would be twisted into a false generalization to the entirety of the Black community"
There is no (ZERO) excuse for the other vermin Hutchinson alludes to ; there is no (ZERO) excuse for Vick. PERIOD
BTW...Black and Latino inmates in the California prison gulag
being pitted against one another in 'death matches' by racist
vermin corrections officials..same shit..... different species.
Ante bellum plantation black slaves being matched to fight one another to the death for the amusement of the aristocracy of southern belles and soon to be confederate gentlemen....same
shit..different species....

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Regulation and laws are needed to curb stupid behaviors
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Jul 24, 2007 3:48 PM   
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by stupid people. Especially with dogs.

There's no reason that anyone outside a professional capacity (law enforcement, for example) should be allowed to use dogs for aggression training.

Already in past years, we've seen the toll taken by 'sweet' pit bulls and rottweilers. People who own such dogs should be required to have the proper training to manage them, pay extra for licenses, and have their dogs immediately removed from them and pay huge fines at any aggressive incident. Already many cities have passed some measures of the sort, and I hope to see more. Yes, pit bulls can be good pets, so let's not get into that argument, but they need extra care in terms of aggression, biting, and staying safe.

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2600 dead black people in New Orleans (yawn) by whitey 6 dead Pit Bulls "righteous anger" by whitey
Posted by: neosoul on Jul 24, 2007 7:37 PM   
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I have never heared such BS by the people who want Mike Vick lynched, shot, and tortured because he and his friends "may have" shot and tortured six pit bulls. This looks like a Federal witch hunt of sorts, If Vick is guilty he will do time. But I didn't hear that same anger amongst whitey when 3,000 people in the gulf region died 2 years ago, It was 'those n&&* got what they deserved because they were probaly poor, on welfare or criminal- minded but some rich black althlete fights dogs and kills them for 20,000 purses and watch whitey think this is like Dresden.

And the kicker, blame Hip- Hop or the ghetto (wink wink : black people) the all- purpose excuse for 38 million black people whom 80 percent don't live in ghettos or engage in dog fighting nor cared until last Wedensday when Vick got indicted and whitey in their 'righteous phony - assed anger' acted like this was this was part of Black Culture when it is part of rural white, gang, and skinhead culture in the South and Midwest. WhiteAmericans care about three things

1. money
2. dogs
3. destroying other cultures

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Dog fighting urban trend....? NOT!!!!!!
Posted by: woody26 on Jul 24, 2007 9:19 PM   
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Do you people read? No instead you attack the messenger! He is not condoning the allegations against Vick, the author is condoning the media and other cohorts for indicating dog fighting is mainly a Black and or gang problem. White Americans, especially those in the rual areas have been fighting dogs forever. As he stated, huge wagers are placed by "well bred" people. What is being done is that Blacks/gangs are being blamed for the problem when in fact they are on the tail end of a life long trend. Yep: Typical white America....place the blame elsewhere, use others as a scapegoat so the light does not shine on you...OH!!! It is shinning on you, only you are blinded by your own bias....

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Unfortunate facts
Posted by: talkville on Jul 25, 2007 12:31 AM   
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M Vick, a flesh and blood citizen, is made use of to bring up issues which, as this article points out, traverse countries and cultures. His own participations ought to be left to the decisions by the courts (theoretically representative of the society which they are a part of).

Deep beneath this phenomenon is the very ugly reality that those most dis-possessed and exploited will very often be the last very desperate believers in the dogmas of capitalism and thus engage in the very same dynamics followed by the "highest", most respected and wealthy sectors of our society. The structure of the dog-fighting "business" is in no way different from the structure of the most sophisticated "hedge-fund" businesses managed by the idealized champions of "free-market capitalism".

Ironic how the deep contradictions and positively in-human factors about capitalism are always directed at those from the "lower classes" who, after all, learned their lessons from the "dog-eat-dog" world presented to them by the fine upstanding values of the Media and Wall Street.

As usual, the Media discussions will focus on M Vick, not on the conditions which make a M Vick possible. And the real money, as usual, is always accumulated in circles far higher than those in which he moves. Capitalism, after all, is just capitalism -- it will always be hostile to ethics.

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well
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 25, 2007 6:38 AM   
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While you can argue about the racist overtones in some of what has been said about Vick... not that he is himself in any way a victim here, the fact remains:

There is no excuse for dog fighting. None. Those who engage in it should go to prison.

There is a HUGE difference between dogs fighting in nature and dogs being forced to fight, as well as being tortured to train them to fight or killed if they lose.

Anyone who knows anything about animals know they do not fight for sport and they do not fight for no reason... unless forced to.

If Vick is guilty throw him in jail. If the NFL refuses to fire him, boycott them. I know I will. Any company that gives Vick any endorsement should be boycotted. (if you just HAVE to have those chuck taylors that Nike makes, try www.nosweatapparel.com)

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Response to Earl Ofari Hutchinson / Michael Vicks
Posted by: mrs whatsit on Jul 25, 2007 11:53 AM   
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In regard to the article you wrote about Michael Vick becoming