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There's One Thing the US Presidential Contenders All Have in Common: God

By Timothy Garton Ash, Comment Is Free. Posted June 9, 2007.


While watching the Republican debates, the British author writes, "Jesus -- I found myself inwardly exclaiming, as a post-Christian European -- Jesus, what century are we in?"
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Note: In this article, Timothy Garton Ash, a British commentator and author, gives his perspective on the 2008 presidential race from the other side of the Atlantic.

We all know Christmas begins earlier every year, but imagine if it were to begin in May. And that's May the year before. This is what's happening with the presidential elections in the US. There are another 17 months until the actual vote next November, but the campaign is well under way. On Tuesday, I watched a television debate between 10 Republican contenders, following a similar one between the Democratic hopefuls last Sunday. At this rate, election fatigue will set in before we've even reached election year. Candidates are not merely nailing their colours to the mast; under media interrogation, they are compelled to take up detailed positions that they'll then find difficult to shift. This is not good for US policy.

Meanwhile, the inhabitant of the White House is, in an important sense, already ex-president Bush. As a key former vice-presidential aide, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, goes to jail for perjury, the Bush administration increasingly resembles a badly shot-up, heavily listing aircraft carrier, limping towards port with, still faintly visible on the bridge, the tattered remnants of a sign proclaiming "Mission Accomplished." Even the Republican candidates in Tuesday's debate either damned Bush with faint praise or praised him with faint damns. Or not so faint. Asked by CNN's Wolf Blitzer what use he would make of ex-president Bush if he became president, congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado said Mr. Bush would never darken the doorstep of the White House again.

Yet for another year-and-a-half, Bush will be the most powerful man in the world, invested with the powers needed to block a G8 initiative on climate change, push through an irrelevant and divisive antiballistic missile shield and order a tactical nuclear strike on Iranian nuclear facilities. The one thing he'll find it difficult to do is to put together international coalitions for action based on trust in current US leadership. Apart from anything else, everyone will be looking to his potential successors. This long limbo is not good for the world.

The post-2009 US one begins to glimpse in these early pre-presidential debates is a defensive, resentful, slightly truculent place. Although leading Republican candidates such as John McCain will not accept this, the American people have basically decided that the Iraq war is over and the mission has not been accomplished. It's not a matter of when but how the US withdraws militarily, even if that withdrawal is, in the first instance, only to a few fortified camps and a fortress embassy in the green zone in Baghdad while the carnage and ethnic cleansing continues all around. The lesson that most Americans seem to have drawn is that the US should have less of these foreign entanglements in future, and look to its own.

Both on trade and on immigration, the atmosphere is increasingly protectionist. The fiercest clashes in the Republican debate were about immigration. Partly this was internal politics. Because leading candidate John McCain is co-sponsor of a bill that could have the effect of legalising some 12 million illegal immigrants, other candidates had a chance to score off him. Rudy Giuliani described the bill as "a typical Washington mess". But there's something deeper going on here as well. The undertones of panic recall nothing so much as Europeans agonising about Muslim immigrants in their midst, despite the fact that the majority of migrants here come from a western cultural background, being mainly Spanish-speaking and Christian. "We are becoming a bilingual nation," said one of the candidates, "and that is not good." A sentiment that would be entirely at home on the French or German right.


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Pseudo-Christians
Posted by: aussidawg on Jun 9, 2007 2:47 AM   
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This is getting ridiculous. None of these candidates, with of course the exceptions of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, have an original bone in their body. They are cut from the same steaming cow patty. This is actually getting to be entertaining. It would be funny if it weren't so terribly sad. One will state that he is a Christian, then the next comes along and says he's a better Christian. One will say they would torture terror suspects, then the next comes along and says he will torture them even worse and longer. They just keep on trying to one up the other on the same identical issues. Of course, when someone like Ron Paul comes along and says something original, such as our foreign policy is putting us in danger not our disappearing "freedoms" he's immediately called a traitor. How dare he think! That is against the rules!

This whole Christian business is getting way out of hand and these guys wouldn't know a "real" Christian if one came up and bit them on the ass. True Christians ae generally considered by most to be pretty good people. Of course, real Christians believe what Jesus believed and practiced, things like helping feed the poor, comforting the people that who by nature oppressed. These pseudo-Christian politicians are the exact opposite. They wouldn't part with a penny if they had a billion dollars to help others. They would steal food from the plate of a starving man to feed themselves. They are in the business of helping themselves and no one else. They are selfish, greedy, power hungry liars. They wouldn't bat an eye over killing innocent people if it put a buck in their pocket (and they haven't.)

I know...I seem so callous towards these folks. Well, they deserve it. They are low life parasites whose purpose in life is to accumulate money and power at the expense of others. I don't want people like this running my country. I want a person that has the ability to think on his feet, someone who has solutions rather than sound bites, someone who knows and cares that there are people in the "greatest country on Earth" that are sick and hungry and need a heping hand, not someone who pretends they don't exist and sweeps them under the rug. The "greatest country on Earth would put the priority on those within our country who are struggling to survive from day to day rather than those who have the most of everything.

The quality of peope we have to choose our "leaders"from has most certainly deteriorated. The democrats are no better or different than the republicans. They are in it for themselves, not us. I know...I push Ron Paul a lot. I do so because he is one of two candidates that are true leaders. We only have two choices and they are Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. The others are nothing but self serving, high dollar panhandlers.

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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 9, 2007 3:34 AM   
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It started out ok, but didn't seem to have much direction. In the US, it's a given that all candidates have to pretend to be religious. The article just kind of states the obvious, and doesn't go anywhere with it.

The aircraft carrier analogy was ok....but if it were only a sinking ship, it wouldn't be so bad. It's still destroying everything in its path, and launching kamikaze planes in all directions.

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An Old Testiment Nation
Posted by: cassbettinger on Jun 9, 2007 6:09 AM   
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I wonder; could the fact that our leaders...verily, the majority of our citizens...worship an arrogant, jealous, tribal, Old Testament war God with sociopathic tendencies and an incurable anger management problem have anything to do with the fact that we are far and away the world's leading arms merchant, the leader in military interventions, the leader in fomenting coups against democratically-elected governments, the only nation to have used nuclear weapons against a purely civilian target, the 21 st century's number one killer of innocent men, women and children...or that our policies are dispised throughout the world...or that we are a target for retribution? Which of these Republican candidates will not continue this proud tradition?

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Sick and Tired
Posted by: pcushniesr on Jun 9, 2007 6:11 AM   
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God shmod! I’m so sick and tired of this Santa Claus for adults and all the endless hypocrisy and contradiction and division that attends it. What happened to that Constitutional provision that there shall be no religious test for public office? Did our faux president have it removed while I wasn’t looking? I have no doubt the little monkey would do it if he could. I long for a day (though I hold no illusions about ever seeing it in what remains of my life) in which gods and religion assume their proper place alongside cigarettes and second-hand smoke, restricted to their own areas where thinking people don’t have to choke on them. And while we’re at it, let’s put this “God” on trial for crimes against humanity. Loves his children? Gimme a break! If mortal parents treated their children the way this “God” does, the kids would be removed from their care and the parents penalized. There’s an old Jewish proverb (or so I heard it) that if God lived on Earth, people would throw rocks at his windows. They got that right.

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Garton Ash? Alternet is loosing it!
Posted by: citizenjoe on Jun 9, 2007 6:13 AM   
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Come on Alternet, Garton Ash is one of the chief liberal hawks in UK and an "humanitarian interventionist". He was an apologist for Blair, for the war, and an ardent Zionist. Enough said. We don't need his insidious commentary.

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GOD burns his own children!
Posted by: scott balogh on Jun 9, 2007 6:59 AM   
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God not only created heaven and earth, he created the angels, Lucifer included, and he created HELL! Furthermore God knows ahead of time those among us who will fail the test that qualifies which of us will be allowed in heaven. What a ridiculous story this god of Abraham is as described in the bible. The worst terrorist in the universe is this God.

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I'm Proud to be an American
Posted by: rileycase on Jun 9, 2007 7:04 AM   
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I appreciate it that our public figures take religion with some seriousness. Some more than others, of course. I do believe America is a great land and I believe that the strength of Christian faith down through the years is a major factor in that. I am not impressed by much of what I see in Europe which gave the world the likes of Napoleon, Stalin, Hitler, and Marx. Is this what we prefer?

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So You Don´t Like What Europe Has Produced?
Posted by: ZPaul on Jun 9, 2007 7:25 AM   
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"I am not impressed by much of what I see in Europe which gave the world the likes of Napoleon, Stalin, Hitler, and Marx."
Reminder: The U.S.A. is a nation of immigrants. A great many of those immigrants came from Europe. And a great many of them are still proud of their family to European countries like Italy, Germany, France, Spain, Holland, England, Scotland, Ireland, etc. Europe has given the U.S.A. many of its most distinguished citizens.

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Errata
Posted by: ZPaul on Jun 9, 2007 7:27 AM   
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Correction: My above comment should read: "proud of their family links..."

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THEY'RE GIVING GOD A BAD NAME
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 9, 2007 7:27 AM   
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"Patriotism is the refuge of a scoundrel". They seem to have instead switched to religion. It's in poor taste and it's disrepectful. I've had a moderate amount of religion all my life. I hope it's enough to get me through this next election. I'm wearing thin already. Thanks, ANNA

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What's this? A nation of Christians has produced a field of Christian candidates?
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Jun 9, 2007 7:47 AM   
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Where are the Zoroastrian candidates? I haven't seen even one candidate praying in front of an altar of fire. I don't see any Rastafarians, either. I betcha Kucinich is a closet Rastafarian, so I guess we can count him. I simply cannot believe the Scientologists haven't fielded a candidate. They must have other plans. Personally I think Hillary is just waiting for the right time to denounce the existence of God to score points with the secular-humanist voters.

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I have a theory
Posted by: kathat on Jun 9, 2007 7:49 AM   
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Living in this country(U.S.) is bizarre. It's one thing to laugh at it from afar, but quite another to have to live in it. I find myself looking around and wondering what the hell happened. I feel betrayed, confused and no longer a part of the 'majority' that I felt so secure in as I was growing up. We have no real leaders, and the incompetence displayed by the administration about Iraq, Katrinra, and New Orleans is not an isolated to the administration. You see it everywhere.
There used to be firm rules of behavior and decision making that reflected logic and the firm belief in 'the greater good'. That is no longer true. Decisions about policy in even the smallest town are made with no regard for people or what is 'right' or 'best' for all. Everything is about what profit is to be made and what one can 'get away with'.
We used have faith in the FDA and related agencies who made decisions about our lives, and even if we disagreed, we had faith that it was the 'right' decision. Now there is a general feeling of 'every man for himself' in this country.
I believe a lot of what happened to our society is due to higher education and belief of people that people who are educated, will somehow be more competent at a job and will be logical and do what is right.
It used to be you rose to the top because you were competent and a natural leader. There was no degree needed.Then suddenly it was a prerequisite to have a college degree to even be considered for a job. Not only that, but the better (more expensive and thus prestigious) degree you obtained, the more entitiled you were to a better job and more responsibility. People who have these prestigious degrees feel entitled and form professional and social groups that elininate any competition and don't allow for the rise of natural selection of leadership. I would put forth Bush and his cronies as a prime example of incompetency rising to the top because of just such practices.
When my husband graduated Berkeley, he was offered jobs at places that had Berkley graduates in charge. You were 'in' if you had the degree. It didn't seem to matter if you were competent or could do the job well. People made provisions for you because you were 'one of them'.
We somehow forgot about competency tests and we are living with the results.
I am here to tell you that some of the most incompetent people I have ever met have the higher degrees. That goes for doctors, lawyers, and various other professions. It is almost considered blasphamy to talk like this.
The first time I shared my experience of rejecting a doctor because he was an idiot. my own family acted like I was committing a mortal sin to question "a doctor". Of course that was 20 years ago, lol, and now everyone recognizes a good doctor is hard to find.
In school I read articles about the 'culture shock' of different generations that found their world changing at such an accelerated rate. Things like the telephone, cars, industrial revolution, etc...clear up to computers.
The sad part for me is I feel I am suffering from huge culture shock, because in the last 10 years I have come to realize that most of the things I believed in, like my democracy, my freedoms, and yes, my government are a big joke.
It says in the media that 90% of U.S. citizens believe in God, but we live in a society where homelessness, children without medical care and random acts of violence are just accepted as part of life.
Well thats my rant for this morning, time for more coffee. ANd by the way I do have the degree.

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today in America
Posted by: Door man on Jun 9, 2007 8:03 AM   
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All this new talk and fuss over "God" and Intelligent Design brings me to the unavoidable conclusion that Darwin was wrong.


Must be attributed to Mort Saul.

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Presidential Entrance Exam
Posted by: mgloraine on Jun 9, 2007 8:43 AM   
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A professed belief in popular religionist mythology has been business-as-usual politics since antiquity. It's a politician's ruse to claim kinship with the common people. Like kissing babies and eating blintzes. No big deal.

It becomes detrimental and foolish, however, when people try to implement civil legislation and foreign policy based on ancient folk legends, often in direct opposition to scientific evidence.

Evidence for evolution, for example, is clear, abundant, and overwhelming; it's not just a theory, it's a fact. Evidence for creationism, on the other hand, is non-existent. Yet the potential for children to be subjected to "education" in creationism in public schools is a very real threat. What will prevent classes in "racial purity" from being next on the agenda?

Anyone shown to be ignorant of or in denial of seventh/eighth grade science should be sent back to school, not to the White House. We need someone who makes decisions based on facts, supported by scientific evidence. Making decisions based on faith and scriptures may be appropriate for religious leaders, but NOT for our ele