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Pentagon's Teen Recruiting Methods Would Make Tobacco Companies Proud

By Terry J. Allen, In These Times. Posted May 22, 2007.


With over half of America's 1 million active and reserve soldiers enlisted as teens, the military is luring kids as young as 13 using a PR machine that would make Joe Camel proud.
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Congratulations: You have lived long enough to cringe at the bad decisions you were seduced, dared, stoned, bullied, or inspired into making as a teenager.

Thousands of America's children, however, are not so lucky. Almost 600,000 of America's 1 million active and reserve soldiers enlisted as teens. The military lures these physiologically immature kids with a PR machine that would make Joe Camel proud.

While the age of legal and cultural adulthood can vary, science is now able to determine the physiological markers of maturity. A recent study headed by Jay Giedd of the National Institutes of Health using MRI scans shows that the brain of an 18-year-old is not fully developed, with the limbic cortex-brain structures, the cerebellum and prefrontal cortex still undergoing substantial changes.

As of March 31, the U.S. military included 81,000 teenagers. Its 7,350 17-year-olds needed parental consent to enlist, and only this April were all barred from battle zones.

But the military aims even lower, marketing itself to children as young as 13 with multimedia videos, school visits and cold calls to teens' homes and cell phones. In Junior ROTC, kids get uniforms, win medals, fire real guns and play soldier, while adults trained in psychological manipulation steer them toward the army. The Army's JROTC website lists such motivating activities as "eating at concession stands."

A mature prefrontal cortex, "the area of sober second thought," is vital not only to deciding whether to enlist, but also to choices made under the stress of deployment and the terrors of combat. But the prefrontal cortex, "important for controlling impulses, is among the last brain regions to mature," according to Giedd, and doesn't reach "adult dimensions until the early 20s."

Teenagers' brains simply lack the impulse control that can prevent a lifetime of regret, psychological and physical disability, and preventable deathstheir own, their fellow soldiers' and those of civilians.

The child soldier problem Is global and so is America's part in it. More than 300,000 children around the world, some as young as seven, serve as soldiers, or, in the case of girls, as military sex slaves. The State Department reports that 10 countries are violating international treaties against child soldiers. Washington provides military assistance to nine of these outlaw nations: Afghanistan, Burundi, Chad, Colombia, Ivory Coast, Democratic Republic of Congo, Sri Lanka, Sudan and Uganda.

The reason the United States and other militaries target children is their need for cannon fodder, coupled with the vulnerability of youth. In 2002, almost half of Marine recruits were 17 or 18. A Pentagon survey found that "for both males and females, propensity [to enlist] is highest among 16- and 17-year-olds." That "propensity" quickly declines with age.

A 2004 Pentagon database listed the number of 16- and 17-year- olds who applied for active service enlistment at 69,000 and 18- year-olds at 73,000. By 19, the count had dropped to 49,000 and by age 24 had plummeted to 9,700.

The Department of Defense (DoD) spends more than $4 billion a year on recruiting, with $1.5 billion for advertising and maintaining the recruiting stations staffed by more than 22,000 recruiters. Much of that money goes to convincing children to become soldiers.

A recruiters' handbook discusses creepy seduction techniques with all the subtlety of predatory stalking. Adult recruiters skilled in "projecting credibility" lurk in snack joints, set up laptops playing action-packed videos, proffer rides and promise friendship and fatherly advice. With blacks particularly skeptical of the war effort, the military is aggressively targeting Hispanics with multimillion dollar marketing campaigns that include chatting up mothers and attending church. Recruiters get non- English speaking parents to sign enlistment papers for 17-year- olds by letting them believe that service is mandatory, or that they were approving blood tests, according to the New York Times.

Recruiters also try to win over high school guidance counselors with offers of "extended tours, VIP trips ( A day in the life of a sailor') or workshops."

A DoD training manual instructs recruiters to appropriate the techniques that pharmaceutical salespeople use to convince doctors to prescribe the most profitable drugs: "Pharmaceutical representatives court doctors and provide incentives to them in exchange for listening to a sales pitch and considering their products." DoD advises following the pharma model by offering "personalized incentives in exchange for some of their time (bring food when asking favors.)"

The manual suggests bribing teachers: "Provide lunch for teachers in exchange for information." It quotes an anonymous teacher: "Giving teachers pencils and calendars lets us know that you understand our needs and support us. We, in turn, are more likely to support your efforts in the future."

"Chiefs of warfare reach out to children precisely because they are innocent, malleable, impressionable," says Olara Otunnu, the U.N. Special Representative for Children and Armed Conflict.

The science is clear: Turning children below the age of brain maturity into soldiers, whether in the United States or Sudan, exploits that vulnerability.

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Terry J. Allen is a senior editor of In These Times. Her work has appeared in Harper's, The Nation, New Scientist and other publications.

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The PFC is important
Posted by: Obijuan on May 22, 2007 1:11 AM   
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for a number of processes, and is thought to underlie a number of mental disorders. The data cited in the article is solid, but this has only confirmed what has been known by parents, and suspected by biologists and neuroscientists for sometime now. The fact that we send children to war is not a new revelation. But it's handy to point out how well science agrees with common sense.

There are two ways to fix this problem. The best way would be to reduce our need for a huge standing army drawn from mostly the poor by changing our primary means of dealing with our international neighbors. However, since most "free thinking" Americans see war as an acceptable form of foreign policy, the other equitable solution is to reintroduce the draft. Then the burden of military service will be share by every citizen in some way or another, and war will again feel and smell like it should. But of course, the controlling elite in America will never let that happen again, unless they can find a way to exclude themselves and their own.

The perhaps even more scary trend is the predominant Christian undertones of the US Army.

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Mike Males
Posted by: mmales on May 22, 2007 1:32 AM   
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ANOTHER grotesquely awful Alternet posting on teenagers. Can you stop running these until authors are willing to do the hard work to critically examine the issues surrounding young people instead of exploiting popular myths to push their agendas? The "immature teen brain" claim (like the inferior black and women's brain assertions of nueroscientists of the past) is a complete myth; decades of solid research and practical applications show adults make every bit as bad a decisions as adolescents under the same circumstances. The crucial problem exploited by the military is that the richest older generations in United States history force 40% of today's children and teens to grow up low-income families, including 14 million in poverty and 5 million in abject destitution (family incomes of less than $9,000 per year). The choice of military service is undertaken not because teenagers are brainless, but because their economic circumstances rationally leave few better options. Progressives used to be concerned about critical issues like youth poverty (I wrote articles for In These Times in the 1990s on that issue, but I doubt they'd be interested now). Monitoring the Future reports black teens are 60% more likely to say they'll join the military than white teens. So, are black and Latino teenagers particularly brainless, given their greater tendency to choose military service--or is it the real motivator their poverty, the fact that older generations opted for lower taxes rather than funding low-cost higher education, and disinvestment in poorer young people? This author's condescending stereotypes toward young people (adults also bully, adults also make terrible decisions, the Iraq war launched with the support of huge majorities of the adult public and leadership being just one), buying into establishment bigotries, and ignorance of class issues betray the whole concept of progressive, alternative journalism. This is an awful, awful article, more evidence of how the "culture war" and anti-youth smugness has corrupted "progressive" journalism.
mmales@earthlink.net

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» RE: Mike Males Posted by: mmales
Where's the evidence
Posted by: gdonald on May 22, 2007 5:25 AM   
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This story may or may not have merit. I can't tell because she offers no real evidence. Is this is all it takes to get published on Alternet, wow. As a former enlisted soldier, I can tell you there are things about the DoD that I don't like but the writer seems to over look some important legal issues when it comes to minors. The issue about the mature prefrontal cortex not being matured until around 20 is probable but she doesn't offer where that study is found in order to substantiate her claims.

If parents choose to enlist their minors in JrROTC then so be it. It's a private matter between parents and their children. The law as written today states 18 as legal age to make your own choices.

I wrote and called my Congressman and Senator before we went in to Iraq to stop the war before it started. I have been opposed to the war all the way. I say that to say this. This is an anti-war hit piece and done very poorly. If a nation is to survive then it needs a military and the fact is old men do not fight well but young men do. A nations military is not here to be kinder and gentler. The military is a killing machine and that is why it is important to have politicians who understand this and who understand that you don't send your military to fight unless you intend to win and unless the reasons for war are valid. Good politician's set the goal for what the political objective is and then lets the military planners execute the war to meet the political objective. Once that objective is met then it falls back to the hands of the ambassadors and politicians to sign the treaties. Our modern day politicians don't understand that.

I suggest that if we don't want needless wars then start electing independent candidates who aren't beholding to corporate interests and who have no ties to the main two parties.

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» Her's the link.. Posted by: SteveB
» zorro Posted by: gdonald
We are all responsible for this government
Posted by: ateo on May 22, 2007 6:27 AM   
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We created it and now it functions accordingly. Whether we approve directly of each and every action by that government at any given time is irrelevant. We created this monster and now it is beyond the control of anyone, the people included. The government is a living, breathing, self replicating organism and thus there will never be reductions in government spending, size of government, or intrusion into the lives of American citizens.

I would suggest you be thankful that the beast we have created is still pretending it cares what we the people think. In most countries (including "enlightened Europe", a golden boy of the American left - although conscription is being reduced/eliminated drastically throughout the EU) military service is simply an obligation and if your precious little son or daughter refuses to serve they go to prison.

In the U.S., as we all know, the bottom line is the market place and what it will allow. Apparently there are people in the U.S. so economically desperate or intellectually stupid (patriotism, what a joke) that they are willing to risk their lives for less than minimum wage. That's the U.S. military for you - dying for a few bucks an hour.

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» Bob, great reply Posted by: gdonald
otto
Posted by: otto on May 22, 2007 6:38 AM   
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Veery good article! I would add to the problem our society's tendency to glorify violence and power and male domination. I'm 73 and I'm still trying to outgrow these "ideals" implanted in me by WWII movies, etc. As McLuhan said, the medium is the message and I really got it.

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Don't kill the messenger
Posted by: apple pie on May 22, 2007 7:11 AM   
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There are some basic truths in this article and some stereotypes regarding youth. Yet the overall alarm is not directed at reforming or correcting the sterotyped groups (youth) so much as to highlight the massive PR campaign directed at teens, some undoubtedly impressionable and impresssed by the glitz. I think the responder/critic above (mmales) gets lost in the details of protecting youth from adult stereotypes to see the basic truth that pesuasive sales techniques work. The enemy here is war, and the military recruiters will use any tactic they can to get a kid to join. They will lie, they will manipulate rules, they will declare they do not have to follow any basic dignities or moral reasonings in their pursuit of 'cannon fodder', or 'bullet catchers' as I like to call them. And yes, poverty and lack of jobs and resources are driving youth into the military, but that does not mean that the psychos in the Pentagon or the Heritage's false intellectuals are not spending huge amounts of your tax $ trying to psychologically identify the best techniques to capture youth. The British navy used to use trapdoors in bars to get sailors and soldiers, our military is much more insidious and uses psychological techniques that not only attempt to capture the body but also the mind.

Remember always, these recruiters are out there right now in places where teens are, trying to hook and fool them into joining to perpetuate oil company profits and US hegemony.

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America's Army
Posted by: Artkansas on May 22, 2007 8:55 AM   
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Boy, you missed the best example of all, America's Army dot com.

A free wonderland of Army themed gaming. A Virtual Army Experience. Only none of your friends will be sent home in a box.

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What else should we expect with a liar-in-chief commanding our armed forces?
Posted by: TheTruthSeeker on May 22, 2007 9:19 AM   
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There is a tried and true axiom that says, "Leadership starts at the top." The same goes for dishonesty. The Army is simply parroting the values of George W. -- the worst president in U.S. history.

To learn why Bush is such a lousy leader, visit the nonprofit investigative website,
King-George.biz -- the only one with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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I was one of those teens, and it did me no harm
Posted by: Bobsays on May 22, 2007 9:28 AM   
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In fact, because I was poor and growing up on a project with a single mom (absent dad was one of those hippies from the 60s that pollute the Alternet boards), it did two things for me: it gave me direction and discipline, and it gave me money. If I had not had that start to my life, I would have ended up like the other guys on the project where I was: dealing drugs, doing drugs, and ending up on welfare.

I trained to be a sniper and was a crack shot by the age of 15 (in the cadets). Because of the military I had the discipline to sort out my crapping school grades and get a scholarship to an ivy league university. A that point I decided not to extend and passed on my first overseas assignment. Do I regret any of it? No.

I had a blast at university, met and slept with most amazingly beautiful and bright women of my generation. And I was just a punk from the projects. But I will tell you something: not one single 'progressive', 'activist', or 'leftie' ever came around to my apartment and offered to help me study better and raise my goals in life. And when we talk about the issue of character, that is where the left falls apart. Until that changes, the military will often be the only and best option for poor kids with few other choices in life. And those are, my friends, the brutal facts of life.

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Karma
Posted by: phindrup on May 22, 2007 9:37 AM   
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Just think, except for those who get themselves killed, all these kids that have been taught to kill, rape, steal and torture are going to come home and roam the streets of the US for the next 40 plus years.
I wonder what percentage will be able to readjust?

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» Bad Karma Posted by: Bobsays
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Mischaracterization of JROTC Programs
Posted by: A Day Without Me on May 22, 2007 1:48 PM   
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I am bothered by the ill-characterization of the Junior ROTC programs found in many public high schools across the nation. The idea that the instructors for JROTC programs are subtlely manipulating children into enlisting is utter hogwash - the fact is, these retired military officers and NCO's actually discourage enlistment, as they feel that the situation of the world today is extremely dangerous, and they do not wish to see their former students involved. JROTC is an extremely rewarding program which provides many kids with a stable community; honestly, the graduation rates for students enrolled in this program at their high schools have higher graduation rates than their non-JROTC counterparts.

I myself am an Army ROTC cadet; however, as I began the process of applying for various ROTC programs, I was strongly discouraged from doing so by both of my JROTC instructors. This discouragement continued as I returned to visit throughout my first year of college, as one is permitted to disenroll after the initial year without any side-effects. In total, the amount of students in my JROTC class that chose to enlist was only three out of thirty-four - and two of these students only enrolled in their final year of high school to prepare for enlistment. I am the only student who chose to enroll in ROTC in college.

While the recruitment tactics of recruitment officers in the various services sicken me, to characterize JROTC and its instructors as wicked tools of the military machine is to betray a lack of research in this specific area. I am extremely disappointed.

I'm a far-left Democrat from New England - I hate wars, hate overzealous religious figures, can't stand attempts to limit personal freedoms, and I've thought Iraq was a gigantic mistake all the way from March 2003 - in other words, I wouldn't be shilling for a military-related organization involved with teenagers unless I felt this strongly about it.

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Faulting the Military?
Posted by: Bart Thesc on May 22, 2007 2:08 PM   
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Why is the Military faulted for doing the job that we the people have charged them with? If you don't like the idea of the Military recruiting the young people we have charged them to recruit then work to change the basic structure of the institution. I am none too happy about sending 18 year olds off with a gun in their hand, but as a society we have decided that this is the age at which they can choose for them selves to join an institution that does just that.

Military recruiting is a sales job. Being surprised that sales tactics are used is just as silly as being surprised to find advertising decals at a NASCAR event.

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watch your kids' school
Posted by: Mamarianne on May 22, 2007 2:31 PM   
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Schools certainly cooperate in recruiting efforts. This is a legitimate function of counseling students for future choices. What is often absent are explanations of the negative aspects of the services including the flaws in the promises of higher education.
Assemblies--like those presented by the Commando group--make militarism seem glamorous.
Most teachers who oppose the war will carefully avoid presenting their views without balance. Teachers who favor the war are often less balanced in their discussions with teens. Parents, listen to your kids. Learn what they are learning about the option of enlisting.
Withholding our sons and daughters from this war is, in my opinion, a way of guiding our nation toward change.
We are making our nation less and less safe by squandering money and lives on this unnecessary war.

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A lot of prefrontal B.S.
Posted by: kungfoofighterx on May 22, 2007 3:10 PM   
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physiological markers of maturity? Enter the brain. It can probably take someone 12 to an infinite number of years to show some sort of "mental maturity." Lets not kid our selves with all of this prefrontal cortex B.S. This is a psuedosciency bunch of BS to say a young adult is not "mature" enough in the head to join the military. An innocent/naive person NO MATTER how old/smart they are is an easy target when selling an idea.
My family said no way, and my family members who had served said no way, and no one in my family enlisted. I listened to them and didnt enlist. The developmental status of my prefrontal cortex had nothing to do with it.
We can trade creepy marketing techniques now for the draft. Personally, I do not want to see a draft. Hopefully, peoples family's will keep young ones out of the military if they believe the teenager is making a rash decision. I would say the same for a parent joining the N.G.
The economic incentive is another issue, but it did get some of my friends through college who never would have went. Id rather see people risk their life and limb through the military then criminal activity. Its just disgusting when the war they are waging is criminal and based on lies like our conflict in Iraq.

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"brain maturity"
Posted by: wleming on May 22, 2007 3:12 PM   
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Its a rather spurious argument... kids with undeveloped brains... come on In These Times... we can do better than that: start with a society bent on violence, guns, a mythic approach to its own bloody past, imperialist pretensions, and an aggressive and dangerous regime in power.. oh and don't forget the military budget-which now exceeds that of the next 14 countries combined.. and you need "brain maturity" to comprehend what military recruiting is all about? dahhhhhhh

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Funny, considering how the military used to give cigarettes to the troops.
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on May 22, 2007 3:24 PM   
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Maybe during that process the tobacco-folks shared some information to the military brass on how to market. By the way, one of the most requested items in the 'gift' packages to 'support the troops' are things like Copenhagen, Skoal, and Redman tobacco (smart troops, especially snipers, know that smoke gives away position to the enemy and in order to have the settling, calming aspects of tabacco in the battlefield you should chew/dip it.)

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The U.S. VETOED the U.N. Security Council Resolution against Child Soldiers
Posted by: brotherjonah on May 22, 2007 4:48 PM   
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And for precisely this reason.
(I reposted it so it will be easier to find and read)
There is a UN General Assembly Resolution which passed but the difference is, G.A. Resolutions don't get enforced.

And, of course, the United States can't veto General Assembly resolutions.

Maybe the second reason is the main factor behind the first.

Incidentally, the US ambassador to the UN who vetoed it ? Shirley TEMPLE Black,

That's right, child star, Curley Tops, yep. That Shirley Temple.

Then George W. Bitch pissed and moaned that the Iraqis recruited teenagers in violation of the General Assembly Resolution his Daddy's ambassador had vetoed in the Security Council.
Hypocrisy in action.

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» That was my point, kingrat. Posted by: TheTruthSeeker
brain development: a bit confused
Posted by: launcher on May 22, 2007 5:20 PM   
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"A recent study headed by Jay Giedd of the National Institutes of Health using MRI scans shows that the brain of an 18-year-old is not fully developed, with the limbic cortex-brain structures, the cerebellum and prefrontal cortex still undergoing substantial changes."

Come on, this part of the essay about brain development in 18-year olds is a total red herring. I don't disagree that the psychological maturity of an 18-year old - much less the 13-year old targets of the military's advertisements - is generally too low to make a major decision about one's life and career. I also recognize, as a neuroscientist, that the brain continues to develop well past the teenage years. But really, ALL brains develop throughout a lifespan - plastic changes that allow humans (and other species) to learn and adapt. The question of psychological immaturity here is one of EXPERIENCE, not ANATOMY.

Based on this essay's logic, we shouldn't hire an 18-year old boy to play in a jazz orchestra because, heck, that's too difficult for him! We shouldn't allow an 18-year old girl to play professional basketball because the "substantial changes" that the brain is undergoing would clearly make her unsuitable for that. And voting is out the door!

In my opinion, the cognitive and physical skills of a typical teenage kid are WELL ABOVE those necessary for an entry-level job in the military (be it clerking or shooting a gun). I don't like the idea of these advertisements preying on young kids - not while they should be planning for college or developing a useful skill set instead of going for a quick paycheck and signing bonus. But this argument that "science is clear" that 18-year olds don't belong in the military is simply invalid.

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Beyond the pale: Equating American military training with the Sudan's.
Posted by: TheTruthSeeker on May 22, 2007 5:21 PM   
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Because I have a family history of honorable military service going back to 1776, I couldn’t wait to take high school ROTC as a teenager.

The high point of that educational experience came when I attended summer camp at an Army base near Mineral Wells, Texas. There I was, a 15-year-old firing mortars, anti-tank weapons and M1s. Talk about a thrill!

Following H.S. graduation in 1952, I enrolled at Texas A&M and became a proud member of the Fighting Aggie Corp of Cadets. In 1966, after nine years of active Air Force duty as a regular officer and SAC tanker pilot, with two six-month combat support tours in Southeast Asia and an Air Medal on my record, I resigned my commission and became a Vietnam War protester. But I never regretted my USAF service or seven years of high school and college ROTC.

For the authors to compare my military training with that of children in the Sudan is insulting, irrational and unpatriotic. No matter how “malleable” and “immature” their minds, American soldiers, sailors and airmen are taught to obey the Constitution, not the Koran.

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» an absurd display (truly) Posted by: apple pie
YO SOY LA ARMY?
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on May 22, 2007 6:09 PM   
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YO SOY LA ARMY?
Anyone notice the photograph accompanying the story? Oh, I get it...let's import 12 million illegal aliens and all their future children and make them fodder for the next wars over oil and water.

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» Oh, my bad, YO SOY EL ARMY Posted by: veggiegrrrl
We deceive ourselves well
Posted by: gdonald on May 22, 2007 8:48 PM   
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The military is our national defense, whether you like it or not. Without a Military no nation would or could exist. The U S Military or DoD has been recruiting so called children since the beginning of our nation. The folks that refer to our troops as children are doing so because the word children invokes emotion. I don't argue the facts of how some recruiters use questionable tactics. I don't argue that the present Iraq War is illegal. The fact is our Republic could not survive without a military, plain and simple and if we don't care about that, then maybe we won't mind when the Chinese, Mexican's, Iranian's, North Korean's, Russian's, or some other nation that would certainly rush in here and take over. Would it be pleasant to wake up in the morning and discover that we are now under the rule of one of these countries?

The real issue about which we need to define is why are we the people being so divided and so manipulated by the press, the politicians of both Democratic and Republican parties to include Presidents both current and past. The military follows the orders of the Commander in Chief and the President get's his authorization to go to war from the Congress. In technical terms the United States has not been in a legal war as defined by our Constitution since the end of World War II. All the wars since Korea have been League of Nation, now the United Nations, accept the current Iraq War. It is not the military but our politicians since the end of WWII that have used our children as cannon fodder as you state and there is one more group of people to blame.

It is these spineless, cowards that walk our hallowed halls in Washington D.C. who pretend to represent us but in fact are now and have been for many decades working against we the people. It is we the people who are to blame when our children as you state are used as cannon fodder because we the people are to ignorant or lacking in intelligence to see the error of our ways. We have been electing our representatives from these two main parties and these two parties have long ago proven that they could care less about us. However, there are so many of we the people who have and still do live in a world of ignorant bliss that they still want to see and believe what doesn't exist. What doesn't exist is that Democrat's nor Republican's represent we the people any longer. They represent the corporate interests which have deep pockets and spend lots of money in lobbying for their own ends. Our children, as you state, are merely being sent off to bleed and die in foreign lands so that we the people can live our lives in the luxuries we are now accustomed to. It is our ignorance and our own greedy desires to hang on to the luxuries we all have at all costs. The cost is that our children, as you state, are being sacrificed so that corporations can continue to give us what we want while they get wealthier. If you want your children to stop dying in foreign lands then be willing to sacrifice some luxuries, be willing to change the voting habits and stop voting for Democrat's and Republican's.

Start voting for people like me who are independents and want to make real change not some artificial, meaningless piece of legislation's that we are currently seeing argued on the floors of both houses. If we the people aren't willing to change and to sacrifice then we have no right to complain and talk about how our children are cannon fodder because we are the real cause

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Illegals and the Army
Posted by: gellero on May 23, 2007 5:33 AM   
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We really should give the illegals a fast track to citizenship if they enlist in the Army. And of course soldiers are young. Soldiers have to be at their physical prime and emotionally immature. Why else would you confront an enemy who is shooting at you. We are also better off with soldiers who have not established their own family ( ie young ) for the same reasons.

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ALSO.....
Posted by: gellero on May 23, 2007 9:27 AM   
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We should have pride in their committment to our country, and I do not believe they are sold on enlisting by some con game. If they're old enough to vote, they're old enough to serve and make their own decision to do so. The armed forces build men from boys.

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News of the Day
Posted by: apple pie on May 23, 2007 9:26 AM   
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Well, our Democrats have sold our jobs down the river, outsourcing them through CAFTA. Megacorporations are making a killing in their child and slave labor factories overseas. What does all this mean for our kids, particularly those whose familes do not have the resources to send them to a $80,000 tuition university?

Work hard. Graduate High school. But there are no jobs! Where did all the jobs go?

Corrupt dictatorships are wined and dined by American corporations to set up their labor camps, resource rich nations need 'advanced and modern extraction techniques': the indigenous people fight back.

But American laissez-faire capitalism is ready for the misguided democratic impulses in the colonies. It demands the sacrifice of children! Hummers on playgrounds/kids play shooting 50-caliber machine guns in parades/JROTC/free War-video games/dangling that carrot-on-the-stick/green-card or $$ for college all leading to US military support and intervention so our Transnationals can thrive. Yes it's insidious. Yes, propagandists and wing nuts will try to change the sum of the basic equation from PTSD and despotism to honor and patriotism.

Voila! Be Army strong! America demands sacrifice for the good and the prosperity of the ruling class. Any questions are only asked by traitors. Forward to Victory!

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JROTC vs. ROTC
Posted by: cootie1 on May 23, 2007 3:28 PM   
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I think most people have a misconception of what JROTC and ROTC are. JROTC is a voluntary program for high school students that teaches military drill, history, and gives kids a small taste of military life through trips, physical fitness, etc.

ROTC is for college students, and trains students to become officers. Regular ROTC is an officer commissioning program, the equivalent of the service academies or OCS/OTS. That sad JROTC certainly does encourage enlistment, but ROTC is an actual, official route to becoming a 2LT or Ensign upon graduation. ROTC students do not go through the exact same basic training as enlisted troops. The training during the summer is somewhat similar, but with more of a bent toward leadership, since they are training officers. The majority of the officers in today's military were commissioned through college ROTC programs.

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18 to 21
Posted by: BobWilson on May 25, 2007 9:08 AM   
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Just raise the recruitment age to 21 and see what happens. If the pre-frontal cortex argument is incorrect then the number joining the military shouldn't change.

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Vietnam vets
Posted by: lindalee on Jun 4, 2007 8:03 AM   
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I am the mother of an immature 17-year-old boy. I'm also the wife of a Vietnam vet. My husband went to Vietnam at 18 with the Air Force. He's still a mess. The Air Force molded into what they needed and then sent him home a fucking mess. Every person in his unit is either dead or hospitalized. Many of them killed themselves. His first reunion of his unit shook him to the core - he was the only one leading a somewhat normal life. He wants to shake Vietnam and his training but he can't. He talks about it now but it isn't easy for him. He's finally being treated for PTSD after 30+ years and is starting to feel a little normal.

Vets on here talk about positive experiences - good for you - my husband would probably say the same thing. He doesn't regret his decision (he volunteered and was drafter on the way over). He learned alot and it taught him alot. BUT....he knows it messed up him and he is adamant that 18 is too young to do what he was asked to do.

Recruiters would love my special ed son - but he sees the realities of war through his stepfather and he's not interested. He doesn't see this war as protecting his way of life.

I was told by two psychologists that children's brains aren't fully formed until they are 20 (in college you aren't asked to pick a major until your junior year!). Making a decision on who to vote for is alot different than putting a gun in a young man's hands and training him to make life and death decisions.

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