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Americans in the Opinion Polls, Not in the Streets

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted March 27, 2007.


If so many people are fed up with the war, why is everyone so silent? Is this the way it usually feels in the heartlands of great empires until the barbarians actually do come knocking at the gates?
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Excuse me if, at 62, and well into my second era of protest against yet another distant, disastrous, and disabling American war, I express a little confusion. Was it actually like this in Rome while the legions were off fighting on the German frontiers? Was this the way it felt in London while the imperial forces conducted their frontier wars in Afghanistan, or Paris when the Foreign Legion was holding down North Africa? Was this how it felt in Washington when Douglas MacArthur's father was suppressing the Filipinos and General Jacob Smith was turning the island of Samar into a "howling wilderness"? Is this the way it usually feels in the heartlands of great empires until the barbarians actually do come knocking at the gates?

I went marching against the President's Iraqi war of choice in my hometown last Sunday. I found myself in an older crowd, many visibly from the Vietnam era. It was relatively quiet, small-scale, and lacking in energy; all in all -- for me at least -- a modestly dispiriting experience, given the crisis at hand and the disillusioned state of public opinion here in the U.S.

I came home wondering whether some Bush-era version of the old Roman formula had indeed been working. Had bread and circuses become croissants and iPods, or Bud and i>, or Sony PlayStation 3 and 24? I couldn't help puzzling over the gap between public opinion on the President's war and public action, or between the conclusions opinion polls tell us so many Americans have reached and those generally reached in Washington as well as in the mainstream media.

I know I'm not alone in wondering about such things, so here's my provisional exploration of some of what's puzzled me most. I don't claim to have the answers, only perhaps some of the questions. Think of this, then, as a guided tour of a few of the trees on our landscape -- with the hope that you'll be able to spot the forest.

An Imperial Frame of Mind

For four years now, journalists have reported on Iraq; editorial pages have editorialized; and pundits -- that special breed of Ciceros -- have opined; while the retired generals who fought our last frontier wars have trooped onto FOX, MSNBC, and CNN to analyze this one; and experts and political figures of every expectable sort have appeared again and again on the Charlie Rose Show, Meet the Press, and their ilk, without our general fund of wisdom seeming to improve appreciably.

The same people who once thought Bush's war was a great idea, or a good idea, or at least an okay idea, or something we should all support no matter what, are still at it. Now, some of them claim the war was a lousy idea but, following Colin Powell's Pottery Barn rule, are convinced that, since we "broke" Iraq, it's "ours" anyway. Some, like the Washington Post editorial page's editors, still think the invasion was a good idea, just somehow poorly -- the word you always see is "incompetently" -- carried out, making the mess the Iraqis are in still ours.

Of course, many of those who once praised the war have revised their opinions and judgments somewhat (and were usually exorbitantly praised for doing so). Still, just about all of them, not to speak of just about everyone in Washington who hasn't gone numb or mum, seems to agree on one thing. As the Washington Post put it in its fourth-anniversary-of-the-war lead editorial, "It's tempting to say that if it was wrong to go in, it must be wrong to stay in. But how Iraq evolves will fundamentally shape the region and deeply affect U.S. security. Walking away is likely to make a bad situation worse."

Under the many conflicts between George W. Bush and most of his opponents in the Democratic and Republican parties lies an area of agreement seldom challenged in the mainstream political or media world (or, when challenged, given remarkably little attention). On the deepest points, major politicians and the most influential parts of the media are actually in remarkable accord. In fact, you could say that, in the world of our media gatekeepers, there's just another version of the sort of accord that existed before the invasion of Iraq.

That country, it is said, is crucial to "American interests" -- "vital national security interests in Iraq" was the way, for instance, Hillary Clinton put the matter recently. There is also agreement (as there was about such things in the Vietnam era) that if we were to leave Iraq totally or "precipitously," American credibility would take a terrible hit, that the terrorists would be "celebrating." It is similarly agreed that, while all sorts of partial withdrawals from Iraq might sooner or later be possible, actually withdrawing from the country is hard to imagine, even if staying seems hardly less so. This is why, as in the recently passed House legislation, withdrawal of all American forces has been replaced by the withdrawal of all, or most, American "combat troops" (or "combat brigades"), a technical term that actually accounts for less than half of American forces in Iraq.


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Tom Engelhardt, who runs the Nation Institute's Tomdispatch.com ("a regular antidote to the mainstream media"), is the co-founder of the American Empire Project and, most recently, the author of Mission Unaccomplished: Tomdispatch Interviews with American Iconoclasts and Dissenters (Nation Books), the first collection of Tomdispatch interviews.

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"If so many people are fed up with the war, why is everyone so silent?"
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 27, 2007 12:56 AM   
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Why? Because "The System" thrives on apathy, non-involvement, ignorance of the masses, and feelings of individual powerlessness.

American Democracy...you get what you pay for!

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It's because the war is very serious, and the threat very real
Posted by: Bobsays on Mar 27, 2007 1:08 AM   
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Leftists like to frame all this as Vietnam War part two. This is not part two. The US was lethally attacked (a better comparison is Japan at Pearl Harbour). The war is global, and while luckily the US has not been attacked in five years (and that is down to the President's actions), many other countries are fighting a bloody war against islamic militants: Thailand, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Philippines, Indonesia etc. etc.

The reason most people are not in the streets is because most people are smart enough to see these facts. What they really are demanding is this: they want straight information on the threat and the scale of this war, they want competence and not incompetence and greed, they want an end to hypocracy (that is, while we know the threat, we see mass immigration from muslim countries into the west still occuring - this must stop until the threat goes away), we need an end to the building of mosques and the introduction of sharia-lite in the west, and they demand a time frame: some sense of large goals that will be achieved in a set number of years. And that we wage total war to achieve it, not half war that gets half a result. People are exhausted now because all of this should have happened five years ago.

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» "People are exhausted now..." Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon
» Love is NOT the only way forward Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon
» RE: Love is NOT the only way forward Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon
» RE: Love is NOT the only way forward Posted by: peacefullaim
» RIGHT ON , peacefullaim !!! Posted by: LeftWright
» Five years ago Posted by: LeftWright
» The US was "lethally attacked" on 9/11 by Bush and Cheney, Bobsays. Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au
» Mr. Hoogenboom - Posted by: LeftWright
» Would love to, LeftWright. Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au
» Soma nation Posted by: eddie torres
» No Bob, it's because of you. Posted by: Iconoclast421
A well-written, thoughtful article.
Posted by: jwc on Mar 27, 2007 2:05 AM   
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it just seems hopeless.

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We are silent because of shame.
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 27, 2007 3:37 AM   
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For the first time in American history, we are fighting a war that requires no shared sacrifice except by the U.S. military and their families.

Rather than face up to that shameful fact, we follow the lead of a president who engineered the only wartime tax cut ever and told us to "Go shopping." And so we do, silently, more concerned about "American Idol" in the United States than American casualties in Iraq.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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» RE: We are silent because of shame....sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Poverty? Survival?
Posted by: setterwoman on Mar 27, 2007 5:23 AM   
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Maybe with the increase in poverty levels, people are too focused on survival to have time or energy to do anything.

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» RE: Poverty? Survival?...You are sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
We assume our gang is the toughest
Posted by: daw13 on Mar 27, 2007 5:59 AM   
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no matter how much we may disaprove of its leaders' behavior. This assumption is nutured every time Bushco tortures, lies, illegally wiretaps etc. It is nurtured by the undying suspcision that the WTC on 9/11 fell in a manner indicating they were mined ahead of time. If the FBI and CIA and whomever else can inflitrate every organization, can control every event, then no matter how oppressively they operate, the bottom line for most of us, unconciously perhaps, is that they can also keep us safe if we allow them full rein.

This is perhaps the biggest lie we're sold: that our leaders can pull it off. Can create an Orwellian solution to too many people too little energy, and other consequences of a rising Third World demanding to sit at the table of the First. When citizens begin to understand how vulnerable they truly are, to what degree their ganglords are flailing rather than strategizing, the apathy will begin to evaporate.

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We are NOT silent!
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Mar 27, 2007 6:06 AM   
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But due to a deliberately dumbed-down educational system (and therefore, a dumb-down populace that's near it's limit just trying to survive), an MSM that prints and shows only what it's told to, and CONSTANT government propaganda, NO ONE HEARS US. It's that simple. In a country of more than 300 million, no one can shout loudly enough to be heard unaided, and so whoever controls the machinery that makes us loud enough to be heard and drowns out those they don't want to be heard wins.

Ian

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» RE: We are NOT silent! Posted by: mazel
» RE: We are NOT silent! Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: We are NOT silent! Posted by: djnoll
why we need the draft
Posted by: zooeyhall on Mar 27, 2007 6:23 AM   
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It's quite simple, really. If we had a draft--and I mean a draft with absolutely NO exemptions or deferrals--this war would have ended long ago, if indeed it would have started at all.

More passion on the part of the anti-war movement is not going to end this (or future) wars. More carefully reasoned arguments, more tears, more emotion, is not going to make a difference.

If the people in the gated communities, the Mc Mansions, the Lexus Liberals realize that any day THE LETTER can arrive in their mailbox announcing that their precious Johnny or Jane's ass has been called up to get shot-off in Iraq or Iran---attitudes would change in a BIG hurry! Politicians would think twice before comitting troops to a war, knowing the pressure that would come from the people who really count to the politicos in Washington: the upper middle class.

With the volunteer army, what reason is there for the above named groups to worry overmuch about the war? With the sons and daughters of that checker at Walmart doing the fighting?

It was the existence of the draft in the Vietnam era that really fueled the protests against that war.

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» RE: why we need the draft Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: why we need the draft Posted by: jmp3954
The times they are a changin'
Posted by: janten on Mar 27, 2007 6:35 AM   
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Maybe those of us who began protesting in the 60s are still protesting but in different ways. Maybe the younger protesters are also doing it in different ways. Times and methods do change. Some of us are protesting here on the web and via email, a medium we certainly didn't have available in the olden days. One question is, though, can this electronic avenue be as effective as marching down paved avenues? Perhaps not. Or, perhaps it can be more effective, at least in some ways. Maybe we don't really know, can't really know, yet.

One thing about the electronic realm is that one can potentially reach a very wide audience and do it practically instantly. One testament to the power of the electrons is the ability of an organization such as MoveOn.org to raise tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars practically overnight. Another is the ability to gather signatures by the hundreds of thousands amazingly quickly, as Al Gore recently did when he set a goal of 350,000 and gathered over half a million in the available time span. There's great power there, if anyone is actually paying attention.

A possible paradoxical downside is that there are so many electronic fora that one's voice, while being instantly "heard" worldwide, may be diluted and become lost in the shuffle and not counted because we're all scattered and there is no central town square to gather in, no government or university building to occupy to command attention, no easy way to reliably demonstrate a critical mass. How can we best use these electrons to affect our elections and influence our elected ... or at least our office holders, our office occupiers!?

Which brings up our currently discouraging situation with our present occupant who sees himself as the Divinely Guided Decider who simply refuses to pay any attention to outside influences. Hah, I first mistyped "ourside influences." So many of us protested, here in the USA, in the rest of the world, a coalition of the voices for sanity and reason, but we weren't heard and Iraq has been destroyed.

The times they are a changin' and we have a lot to learn on the fly. Being a good citizen has always required on the job training and retraining.

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we need the draft and violent civil disobedience
Posted by: scott balogh on Mar 27, 2007 7:08 AM   
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Peaceful marches do not grab attention in this violence oriented country, the usa. The threat of being drafted will grab the sleepers attention and cause them to imagine their own demise. They will stand up to protect themselves exactly like in the Viet Nam days. The killers in the federal government will pay attention to violence in the street, especially when we are calling for their heads.

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Nice Analysis
Posted by: Brutus on Mar 27, 2007 7:13 AM   
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However, the question of political disenfranchisement needs much greater thought. The old 19th and 20th century political institutions have all degraded, outside of television, people have no contact with politics.

Secondly, while people like to celebrate the activism of 60's antiwar, it lambasted establishment politics and completely failed to create anything new. All the criticisms of the 60s antiwar people against established politics evolved pretty easily into the Reagan anti-government mantra.

We've had four decades of writing off the American political process, I'm amazed anyone votes at this point, and that is quite a dangerous situation.

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GDZ
Posted by: GDZ on Mar 27, 2007 7:19 AM   
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I've recently attended two protests, one on the 17th at the Pentagon and a local one in Pittsburgh the following Saturday. I was not disappointed by the turnout for the national protest, rather, by the counter-protesters surly behavior. The Pittsburgh protest, while not huge, was vocal and charged with energy.

While I believe that most Americans do want this war to end soon, we still haven't taken full responsibility for it. We haven't been asked to pay for it through increased taxes and, at the same time, have been shielded from seeing the true horror we have wrought.

Bush's war in Iraq was marketed to be fast and easy, with a cute toy called freedom waiting at the bottom.

We carelessly allowed him to appeal to our narcissism while bastardizing our patriotism into a sweet, pre-packaged happy meal, loaded with fat and calories while having zero nutritional value. We are bloated and sick and yet we can't seem stop our destructive behavior.

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THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 27, 2007 7:33 AM   
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Arrest a poor person, no matter what color and it's less complicated. They can't afford a lawyer. An affluent suburban kid (any color) is another matter. Who are the parents? What will the consequences be. How will this affect the child's future ? The poor kid's future is shakey at best. So what if he has a criminal record at 16. Harvard is not in his future. Jail probable is. This is what passes for "The War on Drugs". By the way it isn't working. Thanks, ANNA

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If So Many People Are Fed Up With The War, Then Why Is Everyone So Silent ?
Posted by: dezertlady71 dezertlady71 on Mar 27, 2007 8:01 AM   
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I was in High School during the Viet Nam war, but I still remember the protesting and controversies and the draft. Watching loved ones and friends helplessly being exploited for a war that even I knew was wrong.

You mention in a paragraph of your article that the protest you attended lacked enthusiam;what did YOU do to make it enthusiastic? Anything??? Often it takes one person to light the fire if others don't know how or don't care to.

I have a son and a nephew currently on active duty in Iraq since the war started, with a small break in between. In there for who knows how long. It's frustrating because we have a President who is only in the war for money. That's the Republican way.

I protest the war by voting for those who oppose it and who have from the beginning. I write Congress and Representatives as often as I need to. Attend town hall meetings when they are held, and ask tons of questions. I also attend protests when they are held if I can. I've got several members of Congress in my email addresses and on Speed Dial.

If people choose to sit back, they feel they are not being heard, so why bother. That's the environment this Administration has built surrounding secret politics and a "I can do anything I want because I am above the law" attitude by Bush and his cronies.

All of the political talk shows on tv and radio don't need one more guest speaker who knows nothing about how Americans really feel about things. They need actual Americans to participate on these shows. I don't need people telling me how to think.

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"If so many people are fed up with the war, why is everyone so silent?"
Posted by: judithkrain on Mar 27, 2007 8:10 AM   
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Several of us feel terribly beaten down. I'm a political junkie and an activist. I planned a small part and participated in The March for Women's Lives in 2004.

It was the single largest march in the history of the United States of America. It got so little media coverage that it was embarrassing.

The media does not mirror the pulse of the nation in any meaningful way, and people like me think that there's no use in trying to get attention to problems that we want resolved.

Even with rigged ballot boxes, the people sent a message to DC. But, DC is still not listening. The Democrats are terrified of the results that might occur from taking any meaningful action on issues that we want resolved, and the Republicans are still fearfully catering to a radical right wing religious minority.

We write, call, send faxes and emails and still nothing happens without the ok from the likes of Halliburton, Exxon/Mobil and big banking interests.

Perhaps history will view the Oklahoma City bombing as the first step in the second American Revolution.

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olliesmom
Posted by: olliesmom on Mar 27, 2007 8:34 AM   
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I am 59 years old. I have arthritis. I've had two knee replacements. I planned to march last Sunday but the weather prevented me. I sign all the petitions and wear the "Save the Bill of Rights" t-shirts and write Letters to the Editor, but, practically speaking, my participation has been curtailed because the body is not what it used to be and the mind has become cynical, jaded and overwhelmed by the enormity of the task we have set ourselves to. If anything, I care more than I ever did. I am moved to tears by Iraq and Darfur and livid with rage over the scandals in Washington. I am grateful for people such as yourself who persevere when people like me get tired. I am not 20 years old and full of optimism and energy anymore. It is hard to work up enthusiasm when you have lived to see many injustices and found out that goodness and right do not always prevail.

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» RE: olliesmom Posted by: bookie
We're discouraged.
Posted by: saywhat on Mar 27, 2007 8:43 AM   
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When newspapers - including the newspaper in my own small town - underreports the numbers at peace demonstrations, like we were nothing, it gets more than discouraging. You start staying home because no one acknowledges you were even there. Yes, the barbarians will have to be at the gate, as you say, to finally get their attention. Well, with the "war on terror" they are already at the gate, but people haven't noticed. Yet.

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Why I'm Not Fighting to End the War, Why I'll Stand Instead
Posted by: teenabooth on Mar 27, 2007 9:04 AM   
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I am against the war in Iraq, but you would never know it by my actions. The loss of precious life and resources saddens me, frustrates me, and infuriates me daily. And yet, as the anniversary of the war approached, and calls to protest flooded my inbox, I was still sitting there, inert as ever.
Not once have I called or written my elected representative to ask them to end the war. Not once have I painted a sign or marched in protest. I have written no letter to the editor, posted no comment to a blog, slapped no peace bumper stickers to my car. More and more often I ask myself: Why don’t I join the fight to end this war? What is wrong with me?
As this article suggests, anti-war paralysis is not my problem alone. And I think the author is right that the nature of protesting is part of the problem. My one coincidental brush with a peace march in California was anything but a peaceful experience. I felt immediately assaulted by shrill shouts from competing P.A. systems, and by radical activists shoving radical literature at me, and by angry signs sprinkled with four-letter words. I would have expected a march to be an empowering experience, but I didn’t exactly feel empowered.
Of course, it is devilishly difficult to inspire action in people that simply don’t feel responsible, and the truth is, I haven't felt responsible. After all, I didn’t vote for the decider that ordered our troops into battle. The war was started without my consent or approval, and wouldn't I be justified for a mindset that goes something like: “Well, we got what we deserved, didn’t we?”
But underneath all that, I think I am suffering something deeper. I feel like someone who is stuck in a family where one member is committing a series of terrible crimes must feel. Rarely do family members turn on one of their own, even in the face of obvious guilt. To go public would devastate to their sense of being “good people.” And so they sit, frozen in denial, as if nothing is happening. Meanwhile, new victims fall every day.
Victims of the Iraq war are indeed falling every day. I don’t know why my denial is wearing away, and my sense of responsibility is suddenly flaring to life, but I can no longer ignore the blood on my hands. And I can no longer pretend I can wash my hands clean while the mob goes about its paranoid business of the torture and murder of its perceived enemies.
I do not, however, feel ready to shout into microphones at strangers, or wave angry signs in a protest which the media, and the deciders, will ignore anyway. Rather, I want to do what I recently read in a book called The Great Silent Grandmother Gathering, by Sharon Mehdi. I want to embody peace by simply standing in my own neighborhood, with people I know, quietly, respectfully. I want to do this as a way to accept the responsibility that is mine as a citizen, but also as a way to restore the dignity I feel has been lost to us as members of the American family. I want to affirm that we are good people.
I will take my stand at my local park on Mother’s Day, May 13, a day that was first proposed in 1870 by Julia Ward Howe as day for mothers and women to join together in support of peace. If you are also feeling its time to take some responsibility, visit www.standintheparkforpeace.org.

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Why are we so silent?? That's and easy one!
Posted by: MAD on Mar 27, 2007 9:30 AM   
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Because Americans are fat, apathetic and ignorant lumps of shit who can't think past the tips of their own noses. It's easy to tune out the sounds and images of war when most of us continue to enjoy the very luxuries of which we simultaneously deprive others. Very few of you have met a soldier who has lost his arm or leg and I would venture to say that none of you have met an orphaned Iraqi child. America may have turned police state but most of you are still free to go on buying cheap plastic knick knacks from Wal-Mart as if war were the most innocuous thing in the world.

It's a pity that more Americans don't get out and travel internationally more often. If they did, they would find a world seething with hatred towards ALL Americans, not just our leaders as many naively presume. No, most people around the world have long since dispensed with the notion that we are somehow fundamentally different than our leaders, when in fact, we are hardly different at all. We are the corptocracy because we continue to shop Target and buy GE light bulbs. "No Blood For Oil" you say but that sure hasn't stopped 99% of you from jumping into that 18 MPG gas whore to speed off to Pottery Barn, has it? Face it - Americans are degenerate hypocrites who no longer stand for anything except a quick buck and instant material gratification. Back to more "Dancing With The Stars" - zzzzzzzzz.

We think we have done our duty by merely voting for the Dems even when it was patently obvious that they were chickenshit cowards who only had their best financial interests at heart. So Dem Voters, Sorry Yet? What made you think they would get the job done? You didn't - you were just too damn lazy and cowardly to do anything about it yourself! I wish I had a dime for every Alterneter who proudly puffed up his chest like a silver back gorilla, declaring how he had just returned from some lame fucking (risk-free) rally where he listened to $usan $arandon wax poetic about war, therefore "striking a blow for the anti-war movement". You did nothing more than temporarily clean your own sullied conscience. We are no longer free. We have sold our souls to the Kleptocracy and we have done so cheaply. As we have no souls anymore, we are damned! We deserve every negative consequence of our actions. But look on the bright side. At least you'll be able to keep yourselves entertained with anecdotes about the mighty Sean Penn and Danny Glover (who will be residing in Greece by that time) while you're locked up in some KBR camp.

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Why America doesn't have a draft.
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 27, 2007 9:30 AM   
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Most AlterNet readers know about the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), but for those who are unfamiliar with the neoconservative front organization, here's some background information that explains why we have no draft during wartime, the first time in modern history.

PNAC was formed in 1997 by Gulf War 2 architects Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, plus 20 other prominent rightwing Republicans.

President Bush is surrogately connected to PNAC through his brother Jeb, an original 1997 founder.

PNAC members wanted an obedient mercenary army to do their bidding. More importantly, absent a draft, an “all-volunteer” force minimized war protests, a key to PNAC’s grand design of starting preemptive wars and dominating the world with U.S. military power.

Not coincidentally, it was Rep. Rumsfeld who introduced legislation in Congress to kill the draft. He later joined Cheney in the Pentagon and created no-bid, “singe-source” contracts which made both men wealthy war whores.

For a list of 225 PNAC members (“signatories”) including rightwing Democrats in liberal clothing, visit my website, King-George.biz -- the only one with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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Give me drugs
Posted by: eddie torres on Mar 27, 2007 9:33 AM   
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The street is where Americans go to get illegal drugs. And clocked by the Feds.

The psychiatrist is where Americans go to get legal narcotics. They have such pleasant waiting rooms.

Given a choice, Americans avoid the streets. Who the hell cares about marching arm-in-arm with a bunch of smelly hippies when that psychiatrist's waiting room is sooooo niiiiice...

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Why people don't get out there
Posted by: Cruella on Mar 27, 2007 10:12 AM   
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I think that what you notice is a combination of factors, of course I'm describing the UK version but I think there is significant overlap:

1) Lack of media coverage (as you discuss). People don't know the protest is happening, they don't know how many are expected - the protesters are reported on as though they're a slightly dangerous extremist group. Certainly for instance my mum wouldn't go "in case there was trouble". And then after the event the numbers are under-reported and problems over-reported.

2) People don't really (viscerally) understand war. We've never really lived through one that we've seen close up. As you say your protest was a lot of Vietnam vets. People who really understand the horror of war. To the rest, it's sub-consciously indistinguishable from Black Hawk Down or Saving Private Ryan.

3) People feel like it isn't going to do any good. Politicians don't even acknowledge protests have taken place. And there's been exactly zero policy reaction to the protests. So people feel why bother?

4) Time and effort. Work fills up a much greater percentage of our lives than it used to. Much is made of work-life balance meaning you have to spend 8 hours a day in the office and 8 hours a day with your children, but little is made about the balance between work life and political involvement in local and national issues.

5) Genuine fear of the police and authorities. They really are making lists of people who protest. They have made it illegal to protest in certain areas and without permission in writing six years in advance. You could wind up with a criminal record just for walking down the street.

Personally when the war was first on it's way I was living in Japan and I sure showed up to the march (on a Saturday, so no need to take time off work). Sinc ethen I've signed petitions and contributed to anti-war campaigns (especially Amnesty over the Guantanamo Bay mess) but I didn't know when the more recent marches were until the last minute and I'd got meetings planned by then. It's not that I think my meetings are more important than stopping the war but I think the likelihood that any politician will pay any notice to my prescence on such a march is outweighed by the likelihood that I'll miss out on important work if I have to move meetings and my contributions are probably more important than my flag-waving...

Also the UK government is doing SO MANY awful things I can't really schedule protesting all of them. I do my best to publicise the ones I hear about. This was the latest.

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LonelyNumber
Posted by: Sakkara on Mar 27, 2007 11:14 AM   
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All the protest in the world won't change our situation. You can vote for whatever you want, Democrats who promise change but are afraid (or unwilling) to act or Independents who have no chance of ever getting elected. Your vote doesn't matter, your opinion doesn't matter, YOU don't matter, I don't matter. You can sign petitions that get tossed in waste cans or deleted out of inboxes until your pen runs dry. Republicans have spent the last 15 years taking control of every possible political avenue-- redistricting and voter fraud to control the elections, embedding christian fundamentalists in strategic political posts (these people don't care what the leaders do as long as gays are kept down and abortion is stamped out) to control every aspect of the political and judicial process, and filling the media with right-wing sounding boards who are happy to control the masses, not inform them. Republican operatives control all 3 branches of government and the media. We (the rational, non-extremists) have so little of our republic left; the adults don't care because American Idol is on, the kids don't care because schools are more concerned with teaching creationism than American History. The only way we as a country, the way it was intended, will survive intact is if we immediately arrest every member of the Executive branch right down to the Aides and promptly create a required class for every American student called "Everything You've Been Taught Up to This Point is Wrong." Otherwise it's all downhill from here, no matter what the Iraq outcome, and sadly I will have to admit that we deserved what we got. Nations don't last much over 200 years anyway, and maybe what comes after us will be better. Or not.

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Without the threat of violence
Posted by: owlbear1 on Mar 27, 2007 11:14 AM   
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a march is nothing but a party...
A place the participants can stand in the street and wave a sign and pat themselves on the back for "Doing Something."

Unless that MOB of 5 or 10 or 50 or 100 thousand is screaming loudly "We are sick of this shit and have gathered together to DEMONSTRATE you can't get us all us before we get YOU!", it is no more effective passing out fliers.

Why won't mass protests work now?

Because the warmongers learned they most effective way to combat mass protests is to use them as a source of fear.

Bushies HATE protesters, fear them, loath them. Why? Because its easier to do that than looking themselves in the eye. It allows the warmongers to blame the protesters for the problems instead of the war.

You have at your fingertips a much more powerful tool than any cardboard sign.

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Lessons were learned in Vietnam
Posted by: ateo on Mar 27, 2007 12:11 PM   
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The policy makers learned their lessons during Vietnam and have clearly learned how to quell the protests and numb the masses. First and foremost there is the lack of a draft. Now the average American can say, "well, they volunteered for the military." The rich and middle class in the highly populated and wealthier parts of the country don't have any children serving and probably don't know anyone who does. Therefore, there is a disconnect between the people and the war.

In that gap there is the bread and circuses you speak of. American shopping mall market hedonism running rampant while the children of the poor are drawn from the ghettos and farms of America and sent off to fight and die for us.

The impact of the war is not felt at home therefore few care to even show up and protest. What more needs to be said? The lessons of Vietnam were not lost on policy makers. They spent millions of hours collectively figuring out how to get Americans to support their wars and shut the hell up while doing it. Hence you have a volunteer army and the "support our troops" movement.

Welcome to the new America. The 60's are over and what worked back then, won't work today.

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» The only thing missing-- Posted by: Doubtom
A sense of powerlessness
Posted by: MrHector on Mar 27, 2007 2:28 PM   
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I think you put your analysis is spot on. People are angry, but there does not seem to be anything that they can do with their anger. The main political parties in both the UK and the US have forgotten that they are supposed to be employed as our representatives and instead and intent on selling us slightly differently flavoured versions of the same shit. Peaceful protests are ignored and violent protests and morally and practically indistinguishable from the war in that they hurt the innocent, leave the guilty untouched and generally achieve the exact opposite of what they intend.

A further contributory factor is the sense that there are no good answers any more. It is, all too possible that walking away from Iraq WILL make a bad situation even worse. I know that this is what Bush and and his fellow fuck wits are saying but it could still be true in spite of that. The fires of tribal and religious hatred which have flared up over the past four years will continue to burn for years, probably for decades. I live across the water from Northern Ireland and I know all too well how some people can use events which are hundreds of years into history as an excuse for killing men, women and children today. Yugoslavia, India (post-partition), Bosnia-Herzegovina and Chechnya all illustrate the same phenomenon. If people have long suppress and deeply felt reasons for wanting to kill one another there is a damned good chance that they are going to give into them given half a chance. The notion that if every British and US soldier were to be lifted out of Iraq tomorrow, peace and light would magically descend is almost certainly a fantasy. With so many people feeling so much hate and burning with such desire for revenge a descent into anarchy and the carnage of civil war seems much more likely.

But before this, admittedly depressing, analysis should be seen as an argument in favour of "staying the course" the counter-argument has to be considered. Maybe leaving will make things worse, but can staying possibly make them any better? Is there any hope that throwing more men, money or munitions into the smouldering shit hole which we have helped establish where Iraq used to be. The dwindling band of true believers continue to insist that all we need to do is carry on with the policies which have failed so appallingly over the past four years and everything will magically be all right in the end. Given the monumental lack of correlation between their statements and predictions in the past and the way the world has subsequently turned out to be, it is pretty fucking hard to see why any brighter than a lobotomised chipmunk would choose to subscribe to this delusion. Which means that "staying the course" is simply a euphemism for throwing away money and live and more money and more lives knowing that in the end we are going to end up running away and leaving a mess which will be even more appalling and difficult to deal with than the one which would be there is we left today. Continuing to fight when you can't win and when your tactics are so wrong-headed that they are actually making things worse is not a sign of courage or integrity. it is a sign that you are a fucking gutless moron. (I was going to write something more analytical here, but then I realised that there was nothing I could say which would come half so close to reflecting what I think of the people who started and continue to prosecute the war.)

The end result is that people smoulder and glower but fail to act, convinced that nothing they have the power to do will do the remotest good.

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Where do all these naive people come from?
Posted by: dayahka on Mar 27, 2007 2:34 PM   
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The amazing thing to me is how naive many people, and the writer for sure, seem to be. You all act as if the US really IS a democratic country, then when it's not you stand around expressing amazement, try to find a scapegoat (surely it must be the evil Republicans), then write to express how amazed you are that your delusion is somehow not real and evil must be lurking around. Jeez...The US is a violent, militaristic nation built on the backs of willingly gullible slaves with the help of architectonic symbolic sytems and myths. The US is not a democratic system that somehow has gone wrong, it has always been an oppressive system. You all put too much credence on the founding fathers, Constitutional government, and other such fibs.

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gladstone
Posted by: gladstone on Mar 27, 2007 3:23 PM   
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Why is everyone so silent? Because they're living too well with too much stuff, and too busy with too many things. Like soccer practice and iTunes.

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