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Readers Write: Are Young People Narcissists?

AlterNet. Posted March 14, 2007.


Close to 300 AlterNet readers weighed in on Clayton Collins' recent article about whether the under-30s crowd is too self-absorbed.
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Today's under-30s crowd has earned itself a nickname: Generation Me. Compared with older generations, young people today are increasingly displaying a lack of empathy, aggressive behavior and an inability to form relationships. At least that's the conclusion of a report from San Diego State University called "Egos Inflating Over Time." The study, conducted over a period of 25 years and based on interviews with more than 16,000 students, states that 30 percent more college students show "elevated narcissism" now than in 1982.

AlterNet published the findings recently in an article reprinted from the Christian Science Monitor, and it got our readers talking and asking questions: Are young people narcissists? If so, is this unusual or to a greater degree than any other generation? What are the underlying causes of this supposed narcissism? Could it be a normal stage in psychological development or rooted in something else like culture or lifestyle?

Here are some excerpts of what they had to say:

"Although there are some wonderful "under-thirties" out there -- and I am pleased to know and work with some, there is a pervasive level of self-absorption present in this age group," writes bttl. "Teaching this generation at a college has not been always enjoyable. While I have had students who were hardworking, caring and committed, the majority are otherwise. The prevailing trend has been one of a sense of entitlement; to good grades (A's of course), minimal work required and constant pats on the back. Many of my students believe they possess superior intellect; after all, they've been told how wonderful they are since day one."

A writer named Joycelyn strongly disagreed. "I am almost 65 years old and have worked with kids most of my life. ... My experience and observation is this is a wonderful generation. They are thoughtful, kind, empathetic, and funny. ... [I]n my rather long career, I have never seen a less narcissistic generation than the current one. I have never seen a generation that was more attached to parents and respectful of values."

This conclusion shocked several readers, including bloggeddowninMKE, who is a 47-year-old working at a university: "Wow, no offense, but I have to wonder where you live, or perhaps you are getting the cream of the crop kids who are interested in service work. ... [Generation Y] seems extremely self-absorbed to me and lacking in values compared to friends of mine I grew up with who are closer to my age. Sure, there are some great kids out there, but the overall picture (kids wearing I-pod headphones continually and yacking on their cell phones in your face as you try to enjoy a cup of coffee) is not all that great from where I stand."

Although some readers said narcissism is simply a normal part of being a teen and is not unique to the Millennial Generation, most readers -- including those in the younger, Generation Y group, -- agreed with the study's conclusion that, yes, young adults have overdosed on self-infatuation.

What they couldn't agree on is why.

Some readers said that narcissism is borne out of necessity, not preference:

"Young people live in a world where everything costs and nothing is free. Where you need to grab or it is gone," Bobsays wrote. "Where older people sit on over-inflated houses-as-pensions because they are too chicken shit to come to terms with the people who stole their pension funds in the first place."

"Have you applied to college recently?" timebomb734 said. "[A]n effort to admit 'people,' not transcripts, has forced prospected students to be able to sell themselves as a package. It's been my experience as a 21-year-old that from an early point in education (usually middle school) children are forced to take inventory of themselves in order to be better able to define their personality in 100-word essays. This article was OK, but most definitely overlooks the noble intentions behind the need to narcissitize."

Timebomb734 also argued that being dubbed narcissistic is the result of not having time to do the same type of activist work that the boomer generation became known for: "By the time I'm done working my 40 hours a week between two jobs, attending school, maintaining social contacts, and engaging in the sparse-but-always-needed chillout time, there are not hours left for engaging in activism. ... Don't be so quick to compare us to the college students of the 60s whose parents (for the most part) could afford to pay for their school. Of course they protested! They had that luxury known as free time that has become foreign to today's college student."


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You know, I'm having second thoughts on this
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 14, 2007 1:07 AM   
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I think I called the boomers the generation of greed and Viagra - the real self-absorbed generation, who continually go on about how exceptional they are (or were?)... I even said:

"I think that the older generation traditionally expects to be respected and admired by the younger generation - they're the ones who helped to create the world that the youth will inherit, after all. If you look at cultures all over the world, you find that this is true, and that there are traditions of respect for elders.

But what kind of world is the older generation leaving for the youngest? Time and time again, greed has won out over concern for the future. The public education system in the US has become more expensive. The 'peace dividend' that was supposed to come from the end of the Cold War never happened, because greedy older people wanted to keep their weapon sales cash flow high. Action wasn't taken on global warming, because greedy older people wanted to keep their fossil fuel sales high. The world that is being handed down could have been better cared for - don't you think?

Perhaps a better word for the majority of the boomers generation would be the Viagra generation - a generation in search of perpetual youth, that doesn't know how to grow old with dignity, and which has failed to hold up their end of the traditional bargain between the young and the old, and which now complains about the disdain and lack of respect with which they are viewed by the youngest generations.

Of course, there are exceptions to this 'greedy old bastard' stereotype. Still, the best lesson for the younger generation to learn from the boomers is how not to behave."

Then it struck me: maybe it's not right to condemn entire groups of people based on when they were born. Maybe everyone is different, and these generational stereotypes are just nonsense - maybe. Ya think?

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I've got better things to do with my time!
Posted by: kwalla on Mar 14, 2007 1:57 AM   
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I'm too important to have articles like this written about me!

Roger Walters
NY, NY
Age 26

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» Ha! Posted by: kepstein7777
Wasn't the Me Generation the 70s?
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 14, 2007 6:30 AM   
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All the confusion goes to show you that not a whole lot has changed. I'll bet the cavemen accused their young people of being selfish and irresponsible, expecting wooly mammoths to be handed to them instead of going out to hunt for themselves, in 6 feet of snow, uphill, both ways.

Wherever I see rude, selfish kids, I see parents and grandparents who aren't disciplining them, and buying them all the toys they want.

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A couple of ideas
Posted by: moogyboy on Mar 14, 2007 7:39 AM   
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Narcissism may be a way of asserting one's identity, and even her very existence, in a highly technological society where arbitrary screen-names and ID numbers and online personas are how we present ourselves to the world at large. For young kids nowadays, I suspect that they feel much more anonymous and interchangeable (and, by extension, expendable) than previous generations who didn't rely on the internet and cell phones for basic social functioning. We've become more and more dehumanized as our toys have become more and more sophisticated...a teenager posting a video of himself barfing on YouTube may be a desperate attempt not only to prove to the world that he exists, but also to beat the machines. But today's kids are tomorrow's parents, who will of course teach their kids the best that they know how, and for many, iPods and YouTube are the best they know. In Sidney Lumet's words, "the machines are winning."

I guess a corrollary would be the whole media worship angle, but that's another discussion.

Incidentally, I'm a GenXer (just turned 33! woo hoo!) and I've found the whole smug upper-middle-class baby boomer culture repugnant since I was in high school. Boomers were hurling the same dismissive assessments at us back then too, no news there. Okay, so they dissed the generation before them ("Establishment!"), the one immediately after ("Slackers!"), and the one after that comprising their own kids ("Self-absorbed ingrates!"). I've come to the conclusion that boomers, the self-proclaimed peace-and-love generation, dislike everyone other than themselves. But we knew that already. They sure taught THEIR kids the best they knew how. Ka-BOOM.

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And those selfish Baby Boomers
Posted by: Ellie1 on Mar 14, 2007 8:27 AM   
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all we had to contend with was a long, dishonest, illegal war (sound familiar) with the threat of a draft that could disrupt your life at any minute. the generation you complain about did make mistakes, but they are keeping your butt in this country, rather than become cannon fodder for another illegal war. We are saving your life.

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» No, they aren't. Posted by: kittynboi
» Exactly!!! Posted by: vangogh69
» RE: xactly!!! Posted by: kittynboi
Pithy, Subjective, C-R-A-P
Posted by: tweedster on Mar 14, 2007 8:40 AM   
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I guess all that marketing aimed at the Me Generation (oddly enough, produced by those selfless Baby Boomers - who, also seem to be the ones who have been mucking things up for quite some time now) has really taken its toll. This is projection at its worst, since it picks up steam as a legitimate issue. Since the last couple of generations were so community oriented, it was only inevitable that that loving and empathic environment would spawn such selfish lil demons.

Grow up...you're already old.

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The (Not) Greatest Generation
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 14, 2007 8:54 AM   
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The Boomers take a lot of hits from the slackers and others, getting blamed for the world we now inhabit and I contend that a fresh look is in order. The previous two Generations, those that cam of age during WWII (The Greatest Generation) & Korea have gotten a big pass in the blame game.

If one looks at who was actually running things during most of the adult lives of the Boomers, you will find it was members of those two generations and they clung to governmental, institutional and corporate power for as long as they could. It was their generations that resisted the Civil Rights Movement, the Women's Movement, the Environmental Movement, the Consumer Movement and the Gay Rights Movement. They are the ones who picked up their Boomer kids in 'White Flight' running to the suburbs, strip malls and private schools.

The first member of 'The Greatest Generation' to rise to the Presidency was JFK. From that time until the election of Bill Clinton in 1992, members of those preceding generations ran virtually everything from the White House, to Congress to the Courts to Labor Unions to Higher Ed to the State House right on down to the local School Board. Some are still hanging on, like Sumner Redstone at Viacom & CBS, Rupert Murdoch at NewsCorp and many others.

When people got organized to protest for many of the things that Gens X, Y & Z take for granted today it wasn't the older generations that were doing it- it was the Boomers. Sure we led a fairly cushy life courtesy of our doting parents- but at a cost that is still being paid by our economy and society and we were not involved with most of the decision making. As Boomers made it to the highest levels of decision making and control they were presented with a lot of difficult decisions, situations and consequences caused by decisions made by the 2 preceding generations that clung to power for so long.

Don't get me wrong- narcissism is part of Boomer history, but so is social conscience, activism, and a lot of progressive change for the better. I'm just asking Gens X, Y & Z to lighten up a bit on the Boomers. Our generation flooded the streets all across this nation & stopped the Vietnam War. Will your generations be able to say the same about the current mess?

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» Thanks Posted by: NoPCZone
» RE: Thanks Posted by: kittynboi
» As I said above. Posted by: kittynboi
I'll never forget the first time I fell in love
Posted by: willymack on Mar 14, 2007 9:08 AM   
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I looked in the mirror, and there I was! Seriously though, in past civilizations, once the basic needs of the people were met, the emphasis of their physical and mental energies shifted from mere survival to art, music, literature, science, and other refinements, the total of which, defined the culture and gave it its own distinctive identity. This forward progress ALWAYS came to a halt, and the civilization either disappeared or was superceeded by another, and the process began anew. No one seems to see the obvious parallels between bygone cultures and our own. The self-absorbed nature of our people is but one symptom of the inevitable decay of our own culture, only this time it's proceeding at a much quicker rate than before. The abysmal ignorance of the "average" American, a lack of curiousity, and a crying need for conformity, aided and abeted by Big Religion and Big Advertizing, aimed at making our citizens an overconsuming, complaisant, and maleable group of drones is hastening the process. The only question now is what will emerge from the ruins of our current self-destructive ways, or if we'll survive at all.

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the path forward
Posted by: DaBear on Mar 14, 2007 9:19 AM   
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"Like xgroverx, most readers agreed that narcissism, whatever the cause, is likely a symptom of other more serious problems -- problems that affect more than one generation. And that's reason for all of us to be concerned."

This is the high road forward, but as a GenXer, I make it my mission to call on the carpet every Boomer who forgets that high road and carps about narcissim in youth. Focus people, focus!

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What Do You Expect From Christians?
Posted by: Darrell Kern on Mar 14, 2007 11:01 AM   
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To quote anything from the Christian Science Monitor is just bad taste.

Typical of a right wing religious organization to blame crap on children. I for one believe that kids are more well-informed today than they ever have been. Thanks to the Internet, kids are much smarter as well. It has been myexperience that kids today exhibit better manners and are more accepting of things like, gay people for one!

I think this kind of acceptance scares the hell out of religious organizations because it shows that the future generation will be even more compassionate. Most kids today do not believe the hype and propaganda of religion.

You should talk to a bunch of kids about that particular subject. Their responses will amaze you. You will also understand first hand what has religious organizations scared out of their wits!

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» Better manners??? Posted by: churchofone
» RE: Better manners??? Posted by: nfaye
Easy... there is no real generation gap.
Posted by: quimper on Mar 14, 2007 11:57 AM   
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Narcissism may just be a negative take on healthy self esteem.
Be happy with what you have. Try not to compare yourself to others in your peer group... regardless of age. Don't let the Joneses get you down. Change the paradigm. Maybe bigger, better, faster, more is not as fulfilling as some seem to think... just a thought. Some say you are not what you own... I say you're not even necessarily who you are. But then again, I've been called delusional.

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Whats wrong?
Posted by: kittynboi on Mar 14, 2007 12:49 PM   
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Recent polls show that the current generation of teens and young adults are the last religious, least republican, and most tolerant of any so far.

So that should be a sign of some progress.

Of course, even the young who are concerned about political issues don't have the same concerns as the adults.

Further, I think the number of young people that are in the "Activist" mindset is more or less proportional to the equivlanet number of people in that mindset in the general adult population. Most people of all ages, even if they are politically minded, are not activists, do not want to save the world, and express their political views by voting. Beyond that, many others just don't vote. The lack of political activism is hardly confined to the young, especially the teenagers who aren't even old enough to vote yet. I find it very questionable to complain that people below voting age are not political activists.

And even people who do have political concerns don't embrace every single issue either. My own concerns are the economy, freedom of speech, gay rights, and seperation of church and state.

Those are the things most important to me, and the things I try to help affect change in.

Not everyone thinks every little last issue it tied together and that you have to tow the liberal party line on all things.

People can be politically active, and can make positive contributions to society, without living up to what the more leftist leaning baby boomers think they should do with their lives.

Much of this arguing seems less about generational issues, and more about ideologically rigid members of the left seeking to enforce their own orthodoxy on everyone they think should be on their side and think the way they do about everything.

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TomScarlett
Posted by: TomScarlett on Mar 14, 2007 12:51 PM   
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Lasch (The Culture of Narcissism) was certainly prescient: There can be no doubt that the dominant, i.e. popular, mode of discourse and socialization reflects a narcissistic personality style. While Lasch described the emerging trend in Freudian terms, we can look to his ideas on the causes of widespread narcissism without necessarily engaging Freud. First, material wealth as the key point of reference for establishing social hierarchy. Around this locus are gathered the ever more insidious forces of advertising, a tendency to objectify the other as means rather than ends, and the availability and range of products with which we are encouraged to define ourselves. Second, but not separable, the disintegration of traditional social structures and dominance relationships. This is associated with permissiveness, and it leads to a (often but not always delusional) "I can be anyone" mindset, and likewise the terror of the "who am I anyway?" question.

(It seems ironic that this book is now generally considered "too conservative".)

Those who would dismiss the idea of popular narcissism need to take a few moments to look up the clinical identifying features of the personality type. If they do not find themselves or any number of their acquaintances, they will certainly admit that what is being described is an idealized consumer.

However, the question all this raises in my mind is as follows: if "narcissistic" describes contemporary US culture at large, can it truly be considered aberrant or dysfunctional? Morbid narcissism has replaced morbid repression as the norm, and we typically describe societies in terms of their psychological extremes. And at what point in Western history have we achieved psychological equilibrium?

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Total bull
Posted by: neogaia on Mar 14, 2007 1:37 PM   
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If you have been out there lately in politics you would probably realize this is total BS.

I am a 17 year old human rights activist and poltical blogger. I know a lot of young human rights activists. The human rights organizations and social justice organizations that I am in have told me that they have never seen so many young people so involved in these issues before.

This feeling of the generation me is mostly media hype and its more the of the "good old days" and "the children are being corrupted" crap.

This kind of stuff is said in some form or another about the youth and they world turns out somewhat alright.

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My me-genner would have turned 29 in May
Posted by: suki on Mar 14, 2007 9:13 PM   
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Drug overdose, GHB. Julius was self-absorbed, his father bought him all the expensive toys growing up, but Julius was also hard-working, generous. loveable to a T for teddy bear, funny, studied hard at school, and a terrific, insightful writer. I certainly blame the society and the boomers are partly to blame. I watched a lot of my friends turn into "yuppies" and it sickened me and still does. The values of the sixties generation was love and peace. Sounds simple, and we tried to go back to nature, and the love thereof which we could see disappearing even then with the onset of suburbia and all the social ills it created. But no, it's not a generational thing at all. Age is not what matters, it's how clearly you can see the forest through the trees. It's difficult watching Vietnam repeated in Iraq. Almost unbelievable; definitely surreal. I'm single again, had to go to Europe to find my last husband. I have Vietnam Vets as friends. War is not healthy for children and other living things. When I think of the video games my son played while growing up, despite my disapproval, it's no wonder we're in another war. Do not blame any generation for ever-present evil, just stay the course, and fight for your rights to be a free, creative person. I repeat, fight.

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generation = steps in a progression
Posted by: juanpecan81 on Mar 15, 2007 11:58 AM   
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We move from phase to phase in our lives, and each phase carries the mark of the previous ones. It's all in the process of rising to higher levels of maturity and openness while staying true to that infinite source that connects us to the worms and stars. Progress, or the lack thereof, is experienced in our everyday relationships...

Looking at generations, its the same thing. Ive worked with kids of this age group in different settings, including my family, schools in nyc and currently coaching sports w. kids from washington heights (manhattan) ages 10-16. I'm 26.

I think they're an incredibly complex and deep generation. Yes, they are narcissistic, but it seems to be more of a response to a society that constantly shits on them and tells them that theyre not anything unless theyre macho and showy (ie: spending mom's monayyyyy!). Quiet competence, respect, grace and dignity ultimately always get respect, but are not openly valued.

These kids are much more aware of things than we were at their age. They are exposed to so much, and like the rest of us, they are confused about what is real and what is right. Self-indulgence and false-but-nasty-cockiness is an easy remedy at least in the short term. They are good people at their essence, like anyone else (including the people whose agendas I oppose with the whole of my being). They need to be guided to learn how to own up to their place in their world/relationships.

Where this generation goes is going to be an indication of where we go. They know about the environment, and corporations (in a vague but savvy way), sense "objectivity"/subjectivity, and are damn witty (so much media has given them lots of refernce points, sharpened their instincts for whats good comedy and good timing I guess).

They know they are being lied to. They're dissappointed in adults, even when they follow their example to a T...because theyre kids, and its apparent most parents still are too.

What remains to be seen is if they will continue to mature and realize that materialism, endless-smartassiness leads nowhere and they help usher in the spiritual revolution that the planet is haltingly moving towards. Or maybe they will just grow angry, cynical and ever-more self-absorbed. In that case, be afraid because theyre smarter than you.

The key thing I wanna leave the soapbox with is have faith. We can only make happen what we first believe to be possible and worthwhile. It has subtle, "vibe" effects and big "revolution" ones.

That, and get involved! These kids are hungry for adults to unfailingly accept & love them, but also to lay down the law on what is acceptable behavior ("anyone who says faggot or gay does 15 pushups! And get yr grades up!")

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MY comments matter and it deserves an “A”
Posted by: MtnMig on Mar 16, 2007 4:47 AM   
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I’m generally not given to hyperbole, but I teach at university in Miami, a city second only to LA in density of plastic surgery clinics, and the degree of narcissism and self-entitlement I see in undergraduate students is astounding. I agree with the the comments that the baby boomers raised these self-entitled 20’s something.

Narcissism is not new to American culture. Does everyone remember the “greed is good” eighties with Ronald Ragan asking the nation “are YOU better of today…?” It was not new then either. The pervasive commercialism of our society appeals to the individual’s needs and not to a collective. I also blame the unrelenting “feel-good about yourself” pop-psychology of today where bad decisions are seen/excused as a sign of some type of condition.

I routinely give students grades that students clearly do not deserve because that is the system I work in. At expensive private universities, if parents call and complain enough, a C- student can end up with an A. The vast majority of my students want to go on to medical school. I dearly hope that medical schools do not pass and give out A’s as easily as in the academic institution I work for.

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No more so than anyone else, either now or before
Posted by: jalde on Mar 16, 2007 9:08 PM   
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Narcissism is a human quality that is surely not unique to this generation even though they may well have cultivated it to a fine are like no one before and the youth of today seem to be more so than those of my generation but one can only say that, honestly, when they get older because when I was much younger, I wouldn't have known; would not have been so aware of such a thing back then, though I do remember how my elders would go on about us and some of them had the right perspective, but not all that many. Honestly now, let's face it, this generation isn't unique, certainly, of course, they no are no doubt convinced that they are; that they are certainly immortal like no one has been before, but the youth of any generation are sure to be deluded but then, delusion is no respecter of age meaning that just because you are older wouldn't necessarily mean that you are all that much wiser. I am certain that my generation weren't all that enlightened and I don't believe that the generations before me were all that either, even that so-called "greatest generation". So we have yet another pointless and therefore, unanswerable question.

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our perceptions
Posted by: Dianka on Mar 17, 2007 2:43 PM   
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Every generation has fretted about the younger generation, thinking we (older people) were somehow more perceptive, more responsible, more whatever than the next generation. The only thing new is the way our perceptions of the older/younger generation are so powerfully shaped by the mass media today. Turn off the TV, set the magazine down, and spend some time talking with both the younger and older generation. Hopefully, we'll get past this point where our perceptions of entire generations, nations, religions, etc., are packaged, labeled, advertised and sold.

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Response to Ayla87's Thoughts on Narcissism
Posted by: sleeperxx on Mar 19, 2007 7:59 PM   
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Ayla87 mentions divorce in general as the cause of narcissism, saying "Thats a lot of broken homes and step children." First of all, divorce varies from case to case and can very well be the best option for many families. I seriously doubt Ayla87 has ever experienced a divorce or is simply speaking from her specific experience. My parents divorced five years ago and our family is more whole as a result of having two happy, functional, healthy parents, regardless of them being married or not. They are more supportive as a result of their divorce. I know many divorced families who share my thoughts. Ayla87 continues on to say that "You're saying that you don't care about anyone's problems but your own, and you'll take the easiest way out if possible." when divorcing. That is once again completely outrageous. Divorce is often a painfully long, emotional process for everyone involved, yet the results pay off. It is most definitely NOT the "easy way out." I fail to see a true connection between divorce and our generation's narcissism.


Ayla87's next topic is how the high schools of today promote narcissism. I myself have not pondered the role of high school in the narcissism issue, but I would like to point out that Ayla87's comments on high school are unbelievably distorted and ultimately inaccurate. I myself am ACTUALLY ENROLLED IN HIGH SCHOOL AT THIS VERY MOMENT. Ayla87 notes that "the pressure is tremendous," and goes on to challenge every forty-year-old to return to high school to "see how long you survive." This seems completely ridiculous. I can understand the social pressures of high school, but the academics are definitely NOT extremely challenging. At all.
Ayla87 also gives the impression she is confusing public schools (the majority) with private schools. I go to what is supposed to be one of the most challenging schools (public or private) in my state (we are a public charter school) and frankly, high school is a piece of cake. All of my friends in the bigger public schools, even top of the class students say their course are relatively easy. High schools in general are not hard or challenging at all. It is also utterly inaccurate to say that "Kids are pressured into taking as many hard courses that they can on top of the required course load." It is unclear who exactly Ayla87 believes is pressuring high school students to take hard courses, but it is definitely not the high schools. Students choose their course load individually and the students who truly want to succeed enroll "hard courses." Also it is relatively simple to include said "hard courses" in the "required course load." The majority of high schools have flexible graduation requirements on a credit basis. If a student chooses to take "hard courses," the credits count towards their graduation.
And yet it goes on: "The only focus in high school now is to get into college." That is also a complete exaggeration. No one thinks about college their freshman or sophomore years. It begins to dawn on students their junior years, but still the majority of my classmates save all of their college business to be completed their senior year. College is more of something to be done outside of school than on the side. I am in the midst of my college search and though it can be stressful, it is manageable.
Ayla87 claims that "Many of them join clubs [...] on top of that so they can polish up their applications to sometimes up to twenty colleges." The majority of high school students engage in extracurriculars out of personal interest, while still being somewhat aware of their potential college applications. It is HORRIBLY ABSURD to claim that students apply to as many as 20 colleges. Our counselors advise all of us to apply to no more than seven colleges at a maximum. Most students I know only apply to up to three colleges. Ridiculous.
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Posted by: sleeperxx on Mar 19, 2007 8:00 PM   
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Ayla87, NO SCHOOLS in the state of Minnesota require community service to graduate, aside from a few private schools. This is also completely absurd.

I fail to see the connection between narcissism and "rising violence in schools" as well as changing expulsion policies. I also know of no students who "tune out everything to just get our of high school alive."

I would like to say that it was horribly exasperating to read this comment, due to the multiple false images it projected. It really makes me wonder how long ago Ayla87 actually attended high school and what her true motives were behind this post. Next time please get your facts right or simply post about something you have real experience in.

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