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The Democrats' Hillary Dilemma

By Earl Ofari Hutchinson, AlterNet. Posted November 14, 2006.


Dems are convinced that they're within striking distance of the White House, so they need Hillary Clinton. But they also need someone who can win.
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ven before the cheers died down over Hillary Clinton's crushing Senate reelection victory, the clamor started for her to announce that she'll run for the presidency in 2008.

The clamor at first glance seems justified. She has phenomenal national name recognition. She can raise tons of money. She's morphed into a stateswoman like seasoned centrist politician. She's the consummate party insider.

And a woman at the top of a government's heap is no longer a novelty. In 2005, there were 6 female presidents and four female prime ministers. If an earlier in the year CBS poll can be believed she won't have to buck a public backlash over a woman for president. More than 90 percent of Americans now claim they'll vote for a woman for president. Despite Hillary's huge political plusses, she still poses a dilemma for the Democrats.

She's still, well Hillary, and to top cat Republicans licking their wounds over their midterm debacle, she's still their made-in-heaven balm. Hillary is a living, breathing wedge issue. With Hillary as the Democratic presidential standard bearer, the Democrats could be 170 electoral votes in the hole before the first vote is cast.

That's the number of votes that the Democrats can kiss good-bye in the South and several Border States. Bush, as all Republican presidents since Nixon, either swept or got a near sweep of the South. Though some conservative Republicans jumped Bush's ship in the midterm elections and voted for Democrats, the majority still backed Republicans.

They would almost certainly jump back to the Republicans in 2008 with Hillary as candidate. That would make it virtually impossible for the Democrats to pry the crucial one, let alone, two states away from the Southern Republican bloc.

The loss of that big a swath of electoral votes going in the presidential election door can be dumped squarely on the deep and resonant hate Bill residue that still taints her. The instant she and hubby set foot in the White House she became every bit the target of hard line conservatives that Bill was. When she compared her advocacy battles to Eleanor Roosevelt's that set off even louder warning bells among them. The comparison was not entirely a stretch.

Hillary and Eleanor were the two first Ladies that profoundly influenced their husbands on crucial public policy issues. That further insured that the Republicans eight-year vendetta against them would be unprecedented in the annals of American politics. They pounded both with the Whitewater and Lewinsky scandals, and blasted her for micromanaging Clinton initiatives on health care, women's choice, and civil rights.

When Hillary hit back and branded the hate Clintons campaign as a vast right wing conspiracy, that sent the Hillary bashers into paroxysms of rage. Though the impeachment drive against Bill eventually crashed and burned, her political activism marked her as someone capable of stepping out of Bill's shadow and carving out her own political path. That made her even more of an inviting target.

That hasn't changed. The weeks before the mid-term elections, evangelical pied piper Jerry Fallwell lathered her with the devil image. That was a calculated slap. He knew the name Hillary might be the one name that could send conservative evangelicals scurrying to the barricades to beat back the Democrats' onslaught. It didn't work.

One third of white evangelicals broke ranks and voted for the Democrats in the mid-terms. But that does not mean that they have made peace with the Democrats, let alone feel any more benevolent toward Hillary. She still stirs their passions, and Fallwell and company will rouse those passions even more in an effort to get the evangelical defectors back into the fold in 2008.

Hillary's smash Senate victory is also misleading. Her opponent was an under-funded, lightly regarded, almost straw man candidate. That won't be the case in a national race. She'd go head to head with the GOP big guns. Polls show that in a one to one contest with former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani and Arizona Senator John McCain, Hillary trailed badly. In one poll, a near majority of respondents gave her little chance to win. Only the two failed Democratic presidential candidates, Al Gore and John Kerry, and the long out of power, even more polarizing, Newt Gingrich got higher negatives as potential presidential candidates.

In exit polls on election night, one out of five New York voters were adamant that Hillary would not make a good president. And these were the voters that backed her in her Senate victory. While the woman as president bias appears dead in the polls, Republicans, seniors and conservatives are still more likely to oppose a woman as president than other groups.

The Democrats are convinced that they are within striking distance of bagging the White House, and Hillary is the best -- or at least the best known -- and brightest stars that they have right now. They need her. But they also need someone who can win. Yet a majority of Democrats fervently say in some polls that she can win. That's the Democrat's Hillary dilemma.

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Earl Ofari Hutchinson is a political analyst and social issues commentator, and the author of The Emerging Black GOP Majority (Middle Passage Press, September 2006), a hard-hitting look at Bush and The GOP's court of black voters.

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this ignores the equally obvious...
Posted by: Drclaw on Nov 14, 2006 3:01 PM   
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...hardcore dislike and distrust that many progressive democrats have for the Hon. Ms. Clinton. Good strategy: alienating the base and the swing voters. I myself distrust her enough to strongly consider not voting for her. The intellectual dishonesty of her platform and general bearing is enough to do great damage to the democratic ideals and principles-possibly enough so that electing her would be a phyrric (sp??) victory at best, and at worst, a disaster.

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Many progressives will not vote for Hillary
Posted by: drblack on Nov 14, 2006 8:33 PM   
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I distrust the Clintons. Bill was very disappointing. If Hillary runs I will vote for a 3rd party for president.
All of my progressive friends feel the same.
She may have supporters in high places but grass roots voters will stay away from Her in droves. But they will not be so dumb as to vote Republicon.

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Is Ms. Hillary the correct choice?
Posted by: adam@SCU on Nov 14, 2006 10:35 PM   
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Hillary Clinton does look to be the number one contender for the Democratic Candidate for President. There are positives and negatives to this situation. I myself would be placed in the liberal-democrat category. Yet I don’t feel I would vote for Hillary Clinton.
She has proven herself in the senate multiple times, and won by 67 percent of New York’s vote. She can work the political aisle with the best, and works well on both sides of the aisle. She is savvy like her semi-husband former President Bill Clinton, yet I don’t think she commands the respect. On my personal view, I don’t feel she can handle a presidency, involved with a war, and tough decisions when she could barely manage her husband’s personal affairs. As strong as she was to stand by her man through his mistakes, was that the right move? How will she respond to an attack on the Nation, or interests abroad if those were to occur?
She does have experience. She was living in the White House during her husbands two terms and understands the political game as well as anyone. She knows how to perform, and be presidential, but she is not her husband. As much influence as there will be from him, he will not be the President, only a first man. I don’t think it is the right time for the Democrats to break out the Hillary. I would consider her in another four years, but for ‘08the Democrats should focus on getting the presidency, and the White House. I don’t think the United States is ready for a female president, especially with a history like that of Hillary.
So what is the second choice? Barack Obama? As much of a good person and president he would make, I still think our country would not elect him our President. The only reason, he is African American. Ignorant, but correct. Part of the reason Hillary won’t get elected is she is a woman. Not every person is as open as we would hope they are, and appearance still has a lot to do with who will be elected president. It weighs far too much then it should. So who is number three? Where is our savvy Kennedy looking white politician that everyone wants to take home to Mother? Will that be Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana (http://bayh.senate.gov/index1.html), for president in 2008? He’s got the looks, has a brain, knows the Middle East, and understands the Military.
I believe the Democrats may have a little of a pompous attitude towards the next election, like they have the election in the bag already, but I feel they underestimate the American voters and their decision making process. I don’t think they need to run a controversial candidate. Its sad but true that being a controversial candidate in my opinion means not being white, and not being a man. It is our trend as a nation to elect a certain type into office. As much as people talk down about Bush, he still won a second term. What’s to say another Republican candidate won’t sweep the American people off their feet. So far Arizona Senator John McCain looks poised to run once again for the Presidency. Being a liberal-Democrat, I usually I don’t consider the Republican Candidate, or share their goals, but If McCain were to run against Clinton, I would very much consider him to become the next President if they were my two choices.

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Clinton or no ...
Posted by: marxalot on Nov 15, 2006 3:28 AM   
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I truly wish that the DNC will focus on holding the House and Senate in 2008. If Hillary is actually nominated we will lose, and we well could lose it all.

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worthless man with cankles
Posted by: schnoggi on Nov 15, 2006 4:23 AM   
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she has so little to recommend her other than a vagina, which i haven't actually confirmed. Yes she has supported some good legislation, but who hasn't? she's got very very dirty hands, no real spine when it counts, and if she's the best those bumbling capitulators can come up with then I hope they all fall into the tar pits once and for all.

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You're kidding, right?
Posted by: NonnyO on Nov 15, 2006 4:31 AM   
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"Yet a majority of Democrats fervently say in some polls that she can win. That's the Democrat's Hillary dilemma. "
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I BEG to differ. That's a false conclusion based on push polling or something nefarious like skewed stats, or someone is polling DINOs, not mainstream or progressive Democrats.

It's the neoCon 'Pukes and spinmeisters in Lamestream Media who want Hillary to run for president, because she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Hillary is a DINO; she's pro-Iraq-war; she's far too right-of-center. In trying to appeal to this mythical center I keep hearing about, she's losing the Democratic base.

NOT a winning combination.

NeoCon 'Pukes and Lamestream Media have been shoving Hillary down our throats since 2000 every single Sunday on the predictable poli-yak shows, and people like Rushie McLimpDick have been imitating Chicken Little: "Hillary's comin'! Hillary's comin'! The sky is falling!"

Puh-LEEZE!!!

I'll never vote Republican, but I'd vote for a third party candidate before I'd vote for Hillary.

I'm tired, sick to death even, of these so-called 'centrist Democrats' who stand for nothing and fall for everything - or fall all over themselves placating the neoCons "leading" this country....

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Hillary? No Way! Lets stop this talk here and now.
Posted by: grazianoml on Nov 15, 2006 5:29 AM   
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The Hillary for President drive is officially over. Tell this to everyone who mentions her name for 2008. Who does this woman appeal to?

No Republicnas will vote for her and their base will be energized to GOTV if she were the Democratic candidate in 2008. Progressives clearly won't vote for her because of her pro-Iraq War and general pro-military positions. She's for an amendment to the Constitution to criminalize flag burning!? She's as Washington and DNC as anyone can be.

So, again, who does she appeal to? I would suggest that her only appeal is to military-loving, pro-corporate, lobbyist-imbedded Democrats. While this is a group with a lot of money and a lot of pull, their numbers are too small to make Hillary a viable national candidate.

Just say no!

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Hillary Will Win!
Posted by: khollis on Nov 15, 2006 6:29 AM   
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Here's why: she'll get the Democratic nomination once people start really listening to her instead of knee-jerk hating her. So then say for the general election that the country is still divided 48% Republican to 48% Democratic the way it more or less is now. Those 48% of Democrats are NOT going to cross over and vote for a Republican for president--not after what we've been through over the last 6 years. That leaves 2% of the independents who will decide the presidential election. Watch what will happen when Bill starts campaigning for Hilliary and working on those 2%--straight home to papa!! Then when people realize that by electing Hilliary we are going to get Bill back--well, look out. That will cinch her election. Times were great under Bill and people will remember that and vote accordingly. You've heard the future!!

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» RE: Hillary Will Win! Posted by: DanoM
» RE: Hillary Will Win! Posted by: Lizzzarde
no way will i vote for hillary
Posted by: mnlefty on Nov 15, 2006 7:35 AM   
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We thought Kerry was bad, and many of us voted for him in an attempt to avoid the greater harm: Bush. That didn't work, and Hillary is way worse than Kerry. A lot of us were disillusioned. We didn't get to vote for the candidate of our choice and it still didn't do any good. I decided I was never again voting for someone I felt so negatively about, and many of my progressive friends have said the same thing. Kerry is a schmuck, but Hillary is an opportunistic middle-of-the-roader, and who needs more of that? Progressives are not going to keep voting for near-Republicans. Let the Democratic party address our issues - don't take these votes for granted!!!

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Vote Independent in 2008
Posted by: MonkeyBoy on Nov 15, 2006 8:01 AM   
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I'd like to see a good Independent candidate for President in 2008. Although I voted straight Democrat in 2006 (to reign in the Bush Admin), I have adopted a wait and see attitude for 2007. If they don't pursue Impeachment, I'll vote Indie from now on. Lou Dobbs for President, anyone?

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we DO have a good candidate....
Posted by: Voicedude on Nov 15, 2006 9:49 AM   
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Hillary won't win. Accept it.

Barrack won't win either.

Kerry never should have been chosen to begin with.
(although he was STILL a better choice than 'W'!)

The next Democratic President should be a man who was once already elected to the office:


Al Gore.

That's right! Al Gore!


After his 'Truth" doc and eloquent speeches of the last year or so, he can no longer be called 'The Woodman'. He's very intelligent, well spoken, compassionate, and even a bit self-effacing. In other words, everything that most politicians aren't!

And maybe.....just maybe.....the American voters will elect him out of guilt. It's kind of like when the Academy Awards gives it to a well liked nominee because they've been overlooked in the past (it happened with John Wayne for 'True Grit' over Hoffman and Voigt in 'Midnight Cowboy', and it might happen again this year with Martin Scorcese!) The voters claim that this isn't the case, but let's face it: it is!

Not that this is a viable reason or anything. But the GOP is famous for giving us DUMB leaders (Reagan, Bush Sr., and especially 'W'!), while the Dems give us SMART ones (Carter, Clinton, and yes, Gore). And I am tired of leadership that has less intelligence than your average voting machine! I'm also tired of leadership that believes in dumbing down America just to keep us in check. (Maybe they don't like it when we're smarter than they are!)

Gore is not just educated, but he's 'analytical' smart! Let's give him the office he already won once. I'm not sure why he backed down from getting what was his, especially with so many in the House ready to fight along side of him. Perhaps he's been in politics long enough to know the sad truth about how it all really works. At least he has a vision, a plan. Besides, watch how many candidates turn to The Environment as the #1 issue once Iraq is over. Al is no johnny-come-lately on this. He was trying to warn us about these issues before most of us had ever heard the phrase 'global warming'!


RE-ELECT GORE IN 2008!

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I've said it before, I'll say it again...
Posted by: aebartle on Nov 15, 2006 11:20 AM   
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If Hillary wins the Democratic nomination in 2008, I am loudly and very publicly resigning from the Democratic Party. This move will make me extremely sad, as I consider myself a hard-core Democrat, but if the party continues to exhibit a complete lack of spine and willingness to win by nominating someone who has absolutely no chance of actually winning, I will have no other choice. People don't like Hillary Clinton, period. She comes off as ruthless and pushy, and if there's one thing Southerners hate, it's a pushy woman (I'm from Kentucky, I can say that). My main problem with her is that she spent the entire 2006 campaign running so hard to the right that I don't feel I can trust her as a progressive.

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Let Bush voters expiate their 2000/2004"sins"
Posted by: JackieGiles on Nov 15, 2006 12:07 PM   
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I am a Progressive Democrat and I will fight Hillary Clinton's nomination in 2008 to the final hour because of her support for Bush's war and her bedfellowship with the DLC. Never doubt for a moment that Rahm Emanuel's desire to capture the Democratic Party for Hillary is behind his and Carville's "gunning" for Howard Dean's DNC Chairmanship!

I believe those who voted for Bush in 2000 & 2004 would welcome the opportunity to "redeem" themselves and help repair the damage Bush and his handlers have inflicted on America and the world by his actions in Iraq and Lebanon and his failure to deal with North Korea and Iran, not to mention genocidal Darfur and Chad, among others.

This country needs a grownup person as president who will arrive in the Oval Office fully prepared with no lag-time for on-the-job training. Al Gore is that person.

We know that more Americans voted for Al Gore in 2000 than voted for George W. Bush. Thanks to Howard Dean's 50 State Strategy, there is now a Democratic organizational presence in many "red" states where there was none before. We need to build on that foundation, not hand the party to Al Fromm, Bruce Reed and the rest of the DLC who are pushing hard for Hillary. The role of First Lady is not a presidential internship.

None of the presidential hopefuls mentioned so far, Democratic or Republican, has the combination of experience, intellect and integrity possessed by Al Gore. We must draft him, if that is what it takes, because the cleanup of the Bush/Cheney mess
must begin immediately after the new President of the United States take the oath in January, 2009.

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look at the electoral map
Posted by: jeffersonian on Nov 15, 2006 12:58 PM   
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look at the states that Gore won, and ask which 1-3 ADDITIONAL states would be needed to win. Being REALISTIC (Texas not at all likely [being funny here], the Bible belt South not likely, Florida a big big maybe) the states are Missouri, Colorado, Nevada, Montana, maybe Virginia.

Hillary would actually lose states that Gore won, like Iowa or New Mexico. Some of the above comments neglect the fact that the Electoral vote elects the President NOT the popular vote, so 51-49 comparisons must be made with each state and corresponding electoral votes in mind.

I think Clark or Edwards are the best choices, because of appeal in the "heartland" states mentioned above.

Gore would have won even without Florida had he won one more state, say Missouri.

You have to look at the map. New York and California are already in the Dem column. It is the Iowas and Missouris that we need to win.

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Oh, and yes the REPUGS want Hillary
Posted by: jeffersonian on Nov 15, 2006 1:04 PM   
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as the Dem nominee, with the "mainstream" media echoing and bloviating and salivating about it.

They never mention Wes Clark (please don't throw me in the briar patch, anything but the briar patch, Hillary raises so much money, please don't run Hillary).

Her money won't buy Iowa voters. The order of the primaries is Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire (where she might have a chance) South Carolina (where I'm sure she is very popular (not).

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Oh, and yes the REPUGS want Hillary
Posted by: jeffersonian on Nov 15, 2006 1:04 PM   
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as the Dem nominee, with the "mainstream" media echoing and bloviating and salivating about it.

They never mention Wes Clark (please don't throw me in the briar patch, anything but the briar patch, Hillary raises so much money, please don't run Hillary).

Her money won't buy Iowa voters. The order of the primaries is Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire (where she might have a chance) South Carolina (where I'm sure she is very popular (not).

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gypsy
Posted by: gypsy55 on Nov 15, 2006 5:41 PM   
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Edwards has potential for 2008...he actually discusses real issues like the haves and have nots, he is charismatic and occasionally discusses the real issues.

I will never vote for a pro-war candidate and esp. one who plays footsies with the repugs...hillary is a repug lite and a losing ticket...no wonder she is supported by the repugs...of course they help her raise $...a quick repug victory...progressive Dems will reject her as well as many repugs...strategy, strategy, strategy


not that complicated

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Well, WE all agree, so........
Posted by: Voicedude on Nov 16, 2006 10:24 AM   
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Well, WE all agree, so........

....let's hope that some of those in charge of picking/pushing the Dem's front-runners read these posts.

Hillary is NOT the right choice. Period.

But no matter how you feel about this, there's a very funny JibJab cartoon about Hillary in '08:

click link HERE

So, go ahead: laugh.

....unless, of course, they actually pick Hillary!

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Only Republicans Want Hillary
Posted by: TexasJewGirl on Nov 29, 2006 9:59 PM   
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I was recently at a big event and was sitting at a table with four other Democratic candidates. We were discussing our choices for presidential candidate and running mate.

With 5 Democrats we had 6 different choices for presidential candidate.

The universal choice for running mate was Obama. But the choices for president included: Wesley Clark; John Edwards; Al Gore; Russ Feingold; Barbara Boxer and Bill Richardson.

No one even wanted Hillary for running mate.

My favorite of those is Wesley Clark. I never hear him mentioned by the pundits. I think that he has the best chance of pulling in the Libertarian side of the Republican Party.

The biggest following in this area seems to be for John Edwards followed by Al Gore with Wes Clark and Barack Obama tied for 3rd.

Though not as bad, I think that Gore and Edwards suffer from same problem that Hillary has. They have already been demonized by the rightwing pundits. They will at least have to do a little work to demonize Clark and Obama.

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