Jon Karl Helps Dick Cheney Play Out His Executive Fantasy
The Twitter-sphere was frenzied over the last several days, asking exactly why Dick Cheney would be on ABC’s This Week.
The answer came near the end of the half-hour interview with this week’s trial host, Jonathan Karl, when Cheney said, “I’m the vice-president now…ex-vice president.”
No, Dick Cheney doesn’t actually think he’s the vice president of the United States, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to play one on TV.
And why not? Karl played into it more than Cheney did.
Karl, seemingly too timid to ask the difficult questions, acted as though he was interviewing sitting Vice President Dick Cheney--a period when journalists can rightfully look back and say they weren't tough on the administration until it was too late.
It would seem like that was a lesson worth learning, but Karl obviously had not. Even at moments where it appeared Karl had backed Cheney into a corner to go for the kill, he relented. And the lack of follow-up questions was enough to make one wonder whether or not it was a condition for the interview.
KARL: Now, on that question of trying, you know, dealing as enemy combatants or through the criminal justice system, I came across this. This is a document that was put out by the Bush Justice Department under Attorney General Ashcroft...
KARL: ... covering the years 2001 to 2005. And if you go right to page one, they actually tout the criminal prosecutions...
CHENEY: They did.
KARL: ... of terror suspects, saying, "Altogether, the department has brought charges against 375 individuals in terrorism- related investigations and has convicted 195 to date." That was 2005. Again, seems to make the administration's point that they're not doing it all that differently from how you were doing it.
CHENEY: Well, we didn't all agree with that. We had -- I can remember a meeting in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House where we had a major shootout over how this was going to be handled between the Justice Department, that advocated that approach, and many of the rest of us, who wanted to treat it as an intelligence matter, as an act of war with military commissions.
We never clearly or totally resolved those issues. These are tough questions, no doubt about it. You want my opinion, my view of what ought to happen, I think we have to treat it as a -- as a war. This is a strategic threat to the United States. I think that's why we were successful for seven-and-a-half years in avoiding a further major attack against the United States. And I do get very nervous and very upset when that's the dominant approach, as it was sometimes in the Bush administration or certainly would appear to be at times in the new Obama administration.
At that moment, Mediaite's Tommy Christopher Tweeted:
Followup for @jonkarl to Cheney: If u disagreed w/ civilian trials in '05, why weren't you calling Bush "weak on terror?"Why aren't you now?
Those questions were never asked.
Instead, Karl eased up on Cheney.
KARL: Did you more often win or lose those battles, especially as you got to the second term?
But based on everything else Cheney advocated in this interview (more torture, don’t treat detainees as criminals, and don’t ever release anybody from Gitmo, ever...), the way Cheney would have responded to Tommy Christopher’s suggested questions would have sounded like: I did call Bush weak on terror and I still consider him weak on terror.
And maybe we could have gotten to that if Karl hadn’t moved from his “tough” questions to ones about Sarah Palin.
You can read the full transcript of the Cheney interview at This Week.
Or you can watch a part of the interview here and determine if you need any other proof.