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Catching the Wrong John: When Are the Media Going to Talk about John McCain's Infidelity?
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My first thought upon hearing the "big news" on all the cable stations -- straight from the pages of the nation's leading investigative newspaper, the National Enquirer -- that John Edwards had been caught with his trousers down, was, "Oh, no, what if this cuts into the story of that little girl who disappeared whose mother hasn't seemed to figure out that someone is recording her jailhouse telephone conversations and putting them on the news! How will I ever get the news I need tonight?"
Let me be clear. I'm not a proponent of infidelity. As a clinical psychologist, I've seen its corrosive impact on many a marriage. But Edwards isn't running for president anymore. He's not running for Pope as far as I know. And he's not even a sitting elected official. To watch Larry King interview two "journalists" from the National Enquirer on his show Friday night was as pathetic as seeing the Edwards affair on the front page of the New York Times. If the media ran stories on every former or sitting elected official who ever had an affair, those stories alone would fill the news or sports sections of every newspaper (depending on how they classified them).
Rationalizations for Running the Story
I know what you're going to say. "He was running for president, and had he won the nomination, imagine what that would have done." True enough, and for that reason perhaps the story merited a migration from the Enquirer to the coupon section of the print edition of some newspaper somewhere. What he did was unbelievably reckless for a man who was running for president and could have put the Democratic Party in real peril had he won the nomination. And to paraphrase another Democrat who wedded restlessness with recklessness, Edwards should not have had financial relations with that woman, his videographer. All fair criticisms.
But Edwards didn't win the nomination. Personally, my primary feeling is sadness for the Edwards family. This would be tremendously difficult in private. It must be excruciating in public.
But this is an issue of character, you say. After all, he lied. But every affair involves deceit, and denying the affair is what people confronted with infidelity usually do, as they see their marriages potentially crumbling before their eyes -- and that's without the glare of the camera. It's not clear in this case (as in other such high-profile cases) to what extent Edwards' original denials were primarily motivated by self-protection, protection of his wife and family from humiliation, protection of his gonads from an angry spouse, or, most likely, all of the above.
So is lying about an affair a good predictor of other forms of deceit and corruption in office? By all reports George W. Bush has been faithful to his wife. If only he had been so faithful to the Constitution, the American people, and those silly little things we have in this country called laws.
But Edwards' infidelity was even worse because of the circumstances. His wife was ill. How could he do such a thing?
That's a compelling question, and those without sins should certainly cast their stones. An equally compelling question, however, is how the media humiliating his wife publicly in the final years of her life at this point serves any purpose than selling papers and boosting ratings. The man's children are already dealing with their mother dying. Do they really need to know -- and to know that everyone who ever meets them will know -- this level of private detail about their father's indiscretion?
As someone who has practiced psychotherapy for 25 years, there's one thing I've learned: that it's a lot easier to judge than to withhold judgment. Life isn't easy. Most people try to live good and decent lives, and most people fail at many points along the way. If fidelity over decades of marriage were so easy, I suspect more people would practice it.
What's Sauce for the Donkey out of the Race is Sauce for the Elephant in the Room
But this media "affair" raises a more serious question. If John Edwards' infidelity is news, and he's not a candidate for anything, why isn't John McCain's? He reportedly had numerous affairs in the years after returning home from Vietnam to a beautiful wife who had been disfigured in a car accident, and ultimately, by his own reports, he zeroed in like a laser on beautiful a 25-year-old heiress upon meeting her one evening in 1979 while he was still married, promptly lied to her about his age, and almost as promptly left his wife for her. We all extol John McCain for enduring 5 years of extreme hardship in Vietnam. But aren't his first wife's circumstances much like Elizabeth Edwards'? After all, the first Mrs. McCain waited in agony (and presumably fidelity) during those five long years for her beloved husband to return from Vietnam, raising their children while he was away and undergoing dozens of painful operations herself, only to be repaid by a philandering husband who ultimately left her for a younger woman.
Now personally, I don't think anybody's sex life has any bearing on a campaign, except to the extent that the candidate runs as a hypocrite, extolling family values, fighting gays while fighting his own gay demons, etc. But John McCain is increasingly making this campaign about character, and his actions over many years suggest some worrisome patterns that fly in the face of the entire story he tells about himself. Setting aside his cheating on his first wife, what about his attending to something other than the people's business as a member of the Keating Five (and ultimately contributing to a bailout that cost middle class American taxpayers the equivalent of nearly half a trillion in 2008 tax dollars -- imagine the middle class tax break we could offer if we weren't still paying off the principal and debt on that boondoggle); or hiring the most dishonest, amoral campaign team money could buy in 2008; or generating one fabricated or grossly misleading charge after another against Obama in the last three weeks (as in his sleazy new tax ad where, for example, he says Obama would raise taxes on small businesses when Obama has never proposed anything of the sort)? Like George W. Bush, he doesn't seem like a man who once was lost but now is found. He seems more like a man's whose principles are soluble in self-interest.
The Obama campaign seems reluctant to attack McCain even when the attacks are both true and on point, such as his standing on every side of virtually every issue, so they certainly won't go after his private life. Nor would I recommend they do so, unless McCain continues to raise issues about Obama's character, in which case Obama might want to take a public shot over the bow to let McCain know that if he wants to make this election a referendum on character, he can do that, but it would not be in his interest. McCain would get the message, and I suspect he would call off the dogs. Similarly, if McCain tries to mobilize anti-gay sentiment, or (more likely, since I suspect he's more libertarian at heart) colludes with those who do, it would be perfectly fair to ask him where in the Bible God prioritizes homosexuality as a sin over adultery, since there's a Commandment about one but not the other, and adultery is a far greater threat to the institution of marriage than gay people entering into committed relationships (McCain's first marriage being Exhibit A).
Washing the Media's Mouth Out with Soap
In any case, the media either need to be an equal-opportunity Enquirer -- in which case if John Edwards' infidelity deserves three or four days of media attention when he's not even running, McCain's deserves three or four weeks -- or they need to grow up. Personally, I vote for the latter. If the media decide that McCain's sexual transgressions, like virtually all Republican transgressions as long as they're heterosexual, are unworthy of media attention, they should do some serious soul searching about why they went after Edwards, and they should stop reporting on the sex lives of politicians in the future, whose personal foibles and frailties are none of our damned business.
And that leads to a final point. I have long thought that we need a watchdog on the watchdogs. Like most Americans, I watched in horror as the impeachment process was abused in 1998 with the complicity of a ratings-frenzied media that made a fortune turning the Congress into a reality show and the grand jury system into an adjunct to The People's Court. We now have a watchdog: the blogs. I suggest we use the blogosphere to teach journalists a lesson about privacy, humility, and humiliation, and put them on notice that if they continue to practice gutter journalism, bloggers will publish the same data kind of data on them that they publish on politicians. After all, journalists' objectivity is of the essence, and if they're purging their own sins by attacking them in others, the public has the right to know. And surely journalism requires the same level of honesty as public service.
So call it empathy training. My guess is that media enthusiasm for sex scandals would drop within days of the first report (replete with photos) on the sexual indiscretions of a television news anchor or reporter, and that the kind of rationalizations we have heard for two decades -- "we had to cover it because the newspaper that brought you 'Woman Gives Birth to Four-Headed Reptile" was covering it -- would disappear as fast as you can say "zip it."
Drew Westen, Ph.D., is Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry at Emory University, founder of Westen Strategies, and author of "The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation," recently released in paperback with a new postscript on the 2008 election.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 13, 2008 2:16 AM
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Posted by: PaulK on Aug 13, 2008 3:07 AM
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This article could be combined with the nearby "sense of entitlement" article. United States Senators share a sense of being, well, "cocky".
Wife #1 is accused (see Wikipedia) of having been excessively paid in a politically oriented "private sector" job after spending six years at a Reagan Administration job. This sounds a bit like hush money to keep her from ratting out the ex.
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Posted by: LionHeart on Aug 13, 2008 4:04 AM
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Edwards wife has cancer and the story being put forth is what an SOB to do that to his wife when she has cancer... makes for great press.
But in the end, it's a personal thing and has no bearing on his policies and positions.
Personal attacks have no place in politics but yet, both sides seem intent on doing just that..
Small minds seem to bring us small news!
No one can really address the issues and it seems journalism in America is at a low point!
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Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 13, 2008 4:08 AM
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Posted by: rickiey on Aug 13, 2008 4:41 AM
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Alternet has no less than five articles on the first page, on comparing the affairs of McCain and Edwards.
I don't give a damn about either.
Seriously, we're in a war we shouldn't be in, heading for the worst economic times in 80 years (or more), with water crisis, food, energy, and the republican nominee is old, insane and a big fan of the current policies.
Yet alternet thinks the important thing is comparing the affair of a no-longer-significant senator with the affair the the republican nominee had 20 years ago?
Here's a hint: Look up the word ISSUES in the dictionary. Affairs arent included.
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Posted by: orda on Aug 13, 2008 5:07 AM
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Posted by: BST on Aug 13, 2008 5:10 AM
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Well, if Edwards had not been in the running it's quite likely some of the support that went to him might have migrated to Hillary Clinton, changing the outcome of the primaries. This is a major issue for the country and those who supported her candidacy.
That's one answer, which you seem to discount.
Supporters who give a vote or money or time to a candidate tend to do so because of what they believe that person to be, to the best of their ability. John Edwards gave the appearance of the supportive, above-board husband and leader not, as he self-described, narcissist wooed by a wink.
That's the second answer.
Some families -- imagine this -- actually still believe in fidelity in marriage. I know that's heresy in the world of "me first" and instant gratification and sexual "sophistication." But honesty, especially toward intimates, still appeals in some places. That may be a tough swallow for folks of the trendy, anything-goes lifestyle.
That's the third answer.
John McCain's past has been fully vetted, it's much distanced from today's race and the details have been known for years. Edwards was appealing for support while sheltering a secret that he obviously believed should never see light of day. Reports suggest he was hoping it would never become public. So, by his own action, he appeared to want to hide his trysts from voters. Better he had just come forth with the story before being forced.
I am not suggesting the following to be true of Edwards or even rumored about him: But it should be a consideration for any potentially high-ranking and powerful politician.
They open themselves up to blackmail in the worst of scenarios, and that threat could come from a party with whom they're involved or from someone who learns of it and sees the opportunity to barter for money or favors.
That's the fourth answer.
I notice your writing has some interesting turns, such as your eagerness to mention that McCain returned to a "beautiful" wife. In what way is that relevant? An "unattractive" wife would have been fair game? Hhhhmmm, doc...
Finally, news media are not asking for our precious vote at the polls. You can switch the channel with a click, refuse to advertise on that station etc. Impossible to recapture a vote offered in faith that a candidate is honest (a winning quality in the eyes of some) or to ask for return of $1,000 in support sent to a candidate of purported character.
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Gossip is gossip. Doesn't matter if you tart it up with the "character issue" nonsense, it's all just window dressing for people to accept the fact that they love to poke through other people's dirty laundry. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar.
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What choice did he have?
Can anyone even imagine ANY OTHER WOMAN THAN LAURA who would even WANT this little prig of a man? They married later in life than most of their friends because he was so obnoxious that no one else would even consider him and Laura HAD to settle for him because after killing her other boyfriend she was poison to other men. Bush was too drunk to know the difference and probably didn't learn of the death of his predecessor until years later. They deserve each other.
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Go back to his Sturgis, SD speech and look at Cindy McCain's face when her husband volunteered her for the wet T-shirt contest. Is this any way to treat your trophy wife? Is this any way to treat a future first lady?
Once an ass, always an ass. Affairs or no affairs, Mac is an empty, conniving, bullying stuffed shirt who is even more ignorant than George.
The Patriot is an Act under Bush, it is a reality with McCain. He is no patriot !!!
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The straight talk express ought to check into that bit of straight talk.
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(BTW, im a well read pagan and unruly woman who dosnt buy the god stuff, but that's cause i AM so well read in religions)
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You can read what the former Mrs. McCain has to say about her ex-husband by clicking here.
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Posted by: Crazy H on Aug 13, 2008 11:09 AM
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The McSame campaign needs to publicize McSame's philandering.
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"John McCain: Probably not a closet homosexual."
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 13, 2008 11:17 AM
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Of McCain & Edwards Together
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Posted by: Cherubim on Aug 13, 2008 5:00 PM
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I think people hate John Edwards more for
for his good looks than his infidelity.
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 13, 2008 5:15 PM
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Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up stand up and let it out
Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up
I know what you want and what your thinking
I can free your sexuality
No ones ever tortured you with pleasure
Pleasures all you'll ever feel from me
Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up stand up and let it out
Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up
I just want to see you in the garden
Dressed up as you came into this world
Shining through the candle of deception
Lighting up the underlying girl
Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up stand up and let it out
Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up
This was a song sung after a film I have never seen by an actor I have never seen whilst the credits were rolling
I think he is called Mark Wahlberg
Its an incredibly heavy rock song
I don't know if its ever been released
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Aug 16, 2008 6:39 AM
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Having worked with a few abused women she has some of the classical symptoms.
She always seems to be on tenterhooks and is often in the background. Cindy McCain always has her eyes on him. She always seems to be waiting..., and wondering what is coming next, like a woman who is about to be slapped and has been slapped many times before. She spends far too much time in his shadow. She seems to speak only when spoken too. And his anger is almost legendary by now.
The right wing religious may like him for keeping his woman 'in line', but this guy is an abuser. Fundie religions always like men who dominate their women. The right wing religions that support the Repub partyare very much anti-female.
And now on to 'Lest We Forget'. Daddy Bush, George H.W. Bush was a famous/infamous and obvious womanizer. He even did his womanizing with the same woman ( maybe that was his idea of fidelity) and he did it all over the world in his various govermental posts. And yet the MSM just gives him and all of them, the Repubs, cover for their errant ways. Lest we forget.
And we are supposed to be the godless liberals.
I too, have been radicalized and scandallized by my religion and our government. Lest we forget, the pedophile priests and the endless hatred from my religion, the Catholic Church, against women, Jews, Muslims, those they 'claimed' were witches, Protestants, Atheists, Agnostics and anyone they did not agree with. And now that very same and endless hate is being directed at those of us they label as liberals and progressives, just because we choose not to vote for Repubs and their 'Culture of Death' for endless profits, now being expressed by their oil wars. Let them clean their own house first before they take unto themselves the judging of others, a function that really belongs only to God, not to these merchants of death for profits sake. Big Business or Big Religion, it's all the same, Big and Greedy. They both worship mammon, the golden idol.
As the Repub party goes, so too goes their fundie religions, including my own religion Their hate agenda just never stops..
Sorry to all for waxing religious, but their rampant hypocrisy really rankles me.
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Posted by: Cosnofsky on Aug 16, 2008 9:47 AM
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Roughly the same thing that happened to Dilbert recently when he recovered his moral compass.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 13, 2008 2:16 AM
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*Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter.
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain
*For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors.
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Posted by: PaulK on Aug 13, 2008 3:07 AM
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This article could be combined with the nearby "sense of entitlement" article. United States Senators share a sense of being, well, "cocky".
Wife #1 is accused (see Wikipedia) of having been excessively paid in a politically oriented "private sector" job after spending six years at a Reagan Administration job. This sounds a bit like hush money to keep her from ratting out the ex.
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Posted by: LionHeart on Aug 13, 2008 4:04 AM
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Edwards wife has cancer and the story being put forth is what an SOB to do that to his wife when she has cancer... makes for great press.
But in the end, it's a personal thing and has no bearing on his policies and positions.
Personal attacks have no place in politics but yet, both sides seem intent on doing just that..
Small minds seem to bring us small news!
No one can really address the issues and it seems journalism in America is at a low point!
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Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 13, 2008 4:08 AM
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Posted by: rickiey on Aug 13, 2008 4:41 AM
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Alternet has no less than five articles on the first page, on comparing the affairs of McCain and Edwards.
I don't give a damn about either.
Seriously, we're in a war we shouldn't be in, heading for the worst economic times in 80 years (or more), with water crisis, food, energy, and the republican nominee is old, insane and a big fan of the current policies.
Yet alternet thinks the important thing is comparing the affair of a no-longer-significant senator with the affair the the republican nominee had 20 years ago?
Here's a hint: Look up the word ISSUES in the dictionary. Affairs arent included.
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Posted by: orda on Aug 13, 2008 5:07 AM
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Posted by: BST on Aug 13, 2008 5:10 AM
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Well, if Edwards had not been in the running it's quite likely some of the support that went to him might have migrated to Hillary Clinton, changing the outcome of the primaries. This is a major issue for the country and those who supported her candidacy.
That's one answer, which you seem to discount.
Supporters who give a vote or money or time to a candidate tend to do so because of what they believe that person to be, to the best of their ability. John Edwards gave the appearance of the supportive, above-board husband and leader not, as he self-described, narcissist wooed by a wink.
That's the second answer.
Some families -- imagine this -- actually still believe in fidelity in marriage. I know that's heresy in the world of "me first" and instant gratification and sexual "sophistication." But honesty, especially toward intimates, still appeals in some places. That may be a tough swallow for folks of the trendy, anything-goes lifestyle.
That's the third answer.
John McCain's past has been fully vetted, it's much distanced from today's race and the details have been known for years. Edwards was appealing for support while sheltering a secret that he obviously believed should never see light of day. Reports suggest he was hoping it would never become public. So, by his own action, he appeared to want to hide his trysts from voters. Better he had just come forth with the story before being forced.
I am not suggesting the following to be true of Edwards or even rumored about him: But it should be a consideration for any potentially high-ranking and powerful politician.
They open themselves up to blackmail in the worst of scenarios, and that threat could come from a party with whom they're involved or from someone who learns of it and sees the opportunity to barter for money or favors.
That's the fourth answer.
I notice your writing has some interesting turns, such as your eagerness to mention that McCain returned to a "beautiful" wife. In what way is that relevant? An "unattractive" wife would have been fair game? Hhhhmmm, doc...
Finally, news media are not asking for our precious vote at the polls. You can switch the channel with a click, refuse to advertise on that station etc. Impossible to recapture a vote offered in faith that a candidate is honest (a winning quality in the eyes of some) or to ask for return of $1,000 in support sent to a candidate of purported character.
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Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Aug 13, 2008 5:46 AM
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Gossip is gossip. Doesn't matter if you tart it up with the "character issue" nonsense, it's all just window dressing for people to accept the fact that they love to poke through other people's dirty laundry. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar.
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Posted by: itzamirakul on Aug 13, 2008 6:00 AM
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What choice did he have?
Can anyone even imagine ANY OTHER WOMAN THAN LAURA who would even WANT this little prig of a man? They married later in life than most of their friends because he was so obnoxious that no one else would even consider him and Laura HAD to settle for him because after killing her other boyfriend she was poison to other men. Bush was too drunk to know the difference and probably didn't learn of the death of his predecessor until years later. They deserve each other.
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Posted by: QCao009 on Aug 13, 2008 6:18 AM
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Go back to his Sturgis, SD speech and look at Cindy McCain's face when her husband volunteered her for the wet T-shirt contest. Is this any way to treat your trophy wife? Is this any way to treat a future first lady?
Once an ass, always an ass. Affairs or no affairs, Mac is an empty, conniving, bullying stuffed shirt who is even more ignorant than George.
The Patriot is an Act under Bush, it is a reality with McCain. He is no patriot !!!
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Posted by: motamanx on Aug 13, 2008 6:50 AM
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The straight talk express ought to check into that bit of straight talk.
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Posted by: Marlena on Aug 13, 2008 6:57 AM
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(BTW, im a well read pagan and unruly woman who dosnt buy the god stuff, but that's cause i AM so well read in religions)
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http://www.fourwind s10.com/siterun_ data/government/ fraud/gw_ bush_ghw_ bush/news. php?q=1218479857
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Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Aug 13, 2008 8:59 AM
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You can read what the former Mrs. McCain has to say about her ex-husband by clicking here.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 13, 2008 9:53 AM
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Posted by: Crazy H on Aug 13, 2008 11:09 AM
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The McSame campaign needs to publicize McSame's philandering.
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"John McCain: Probably not a closet homosexual."
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 13, 2008 11:17 AM
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Of McCain & Edwards Together
Wanking Over
linked porno
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Posted by: Cherubim on Aug 13, 2008 5:00 PM
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I think people hate John Edwards more for
for his good looks than his infidelity.
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 13, 2008 5:15 PM
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Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up stand up and let it out
Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up
I know what you want and what your thinking
I can free your sexuality
No ones ever tortured you with pleasure
Pleasures all you'll ever feel from me
Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up stand up and let it out
Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up
I just want to see you in the garden
Dressed up as you came into this world
Shining through the candle of deception
Lighting up the underlying girl
Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up stand up and let it out
Stand up and shout
Stand up stand up
This was a song sung after a film I have never seen by an actor I have never seen whilst the credits were rolling
I think he is called Mark Wahlberg
Its an incredibly heavy rock song
I don't know if its ever been released
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Posted by: Jeanne on Aug 13, 2008 8:10 PM
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Posted by: ArtemInox on Aug 13, 2008 11:06 PM
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Aug 16, 2008 6:39 AM
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Having worked with a few abused women she has some of the classical symptoms.
She always seems to be on tenterhooks and is often in the background. Cindy McCain always has her eyes on him. She always seems to be waiting..., and wondering what is coming next, like a woman who is about to be slapped and has been slapped many times before. She spends far too much time in his shadow. She seems to speak only when spoken too. And his anger is almost legendary by now.
The right wing religious may like him for keeping his woman 'in line', but this guy is an abuser. Fundie religions always like men who dominate their women. The right wing religions that support the Repub partyare very much anti-female.
And now on to 'Lest We Forget'. Daddy Bush, George H.W. Bush was a famous/infamous and obvious womanizer. He even did his womanizing with the same woman ( maybe that was his idea of fidelity) and he did it all over the world in his various govermental posts. And yet the MSM just gives him and all of them, the Repubs, cover for their errant ways. Lest we forget.
And we are supposed to be the godless liberals.
I too, have been radicalized and scandallized by my religion and our government. Lest we forget, the pedophile priests and the endless hatred from my religion, the Catholic Church, against women, Jews, Muslims, those they 'claimed' were witches, Protestants, Atheists, Agnostics and anyone they did not agree with. And now that very same and endless hate is being directed at those of us they label as liberals and progressives, just because we choose not to vote for Repubs and their 'Culture of Death' for endless profits, now being expressed by their oil wars. Let them clean their own house first before they take unto themselves the judging of others, a function that really belongs only to God, not to these merchants of death for profits sake. Big Business or Big Religion, it's all the same, Big and Greedy. They both worship mammon, the golden idol.
As the Repub party goes, so too goes their fundie religions, including my own religion Their hate agenda just never stops..
Sorry to all for waxing religious, but their rampant hypocrisy really rankles me.
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Posted by: Cosnofsky on Aug 16, 2008 9:47 AM
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Roughly the same thing that happened to Dilbert recently when he recovered his moral compass.
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