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Sex and Relationships

Our Government: Powerless to Outlaw Guns, Able to Outlaw Sexual Expression

By Dr. Marty Klein, Sexual Intelligence. Posted July 2, 2008.


Why is the government allowed to jail people for selling videos of adults having (consensual) sex?
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The Supreme Court recently ruled that the government has virtually no right to regulate guns in Washington, D.C.

You may also have read about yet another obscenity bust in Florida, which ended in a deal that puts more people in jail for selling videos of adults having (consensual, enthusiastic) sex with adults.

If you expect logic from America about sex, the juxtaposition is bewildering. If you're more realistic, it's simply enraging.

Our Constitution says (2nd Amendment) that "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Our Constitution also says (1st Amendment) that "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press."

To put it simply, Americans can own guns, and Americans can express themselves as they wish.

So if the government can't restrict the first, why is it allowed to restrict the second? Oh, for a similar decision affirming our unrestricted right to free expression!

The right to watch what we want on TV without FCC interference; to buy adult porn without FBI or Andy-of-Mayberry sheriffs busting producers; to see strippers close up and nude without county ordinances requiring tape measures and pasties; to enjoy swingers clubs without city councils closing them by inventing health emergencies out of thin air.

We're used to reasonable limits on our rights of free expression, embodied in the famous prohibition on yelling fire in a crowded theater. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes used the analogy in banning (for better or worse) anti-war leaflets during World War I as presenting a "clear and present danger" to the Republic. A restriction on speech was legitimate if and only if it prevented an obvious threat to public safety.

So why can't you show a picture of a fire in a crowded theater? What about yelling "fuck" in a nearly empty theater? Or your home theater?

Obscenity law started centuries ago not focused on sex, but on power: as a tool to prevent people from making fun of their ruler, opposing religion, or inciting resistance to the state. Censorship protected rulers from the people.

In this century the goal of censorship has become protecting people from themselves and each other. But inevitably, when government attempts to protect people from each other -- or from themselves -- it's an expression of political ideology.

Our government has decided what's not good for us -- our sexuality. Sex is the political agenda of our federal, state, and local governments. And so they continue prosecuting business people, large and small, who provide adults with sexually explicit images of other adults.

This week, the Supreme Court ruled that the government is powerless to regulate something demonstrably dangerous, something provably implicated in tens of thousands of deaths each year. The very same government, however, can regulate pictures and words used in the privacy of one's home, in an activity that hurts no one.

George Carlin said, "I don't understand why prostitution is illegal. Selling is legal. Screwing is legal. Why isn't selling screwing legal?"

We demand an answer to the same question about sexual imagination: selling is legal. Imagining sex is legal. Why is selling someone's imagination about sex illegal?

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Dr. Marty Klein is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist, Certified Sex Therapist, and sociologist with a special interest in public policy and sexuality. He has written 6 books and over 100 articles about sexuality.

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so what??
Posted by: Joe on Jul 4, 2008 3:13 PM   
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guns are in the constitution, sex isn't. although i don't belief the government should be telling people what to do with their life (libertarian), the left ideology doesn't mind telling people how to make a living, how to educate, how much money to fork over, how to transport, how to run a business, how to generate energy, how to build your home, how to consume, how to think....etc.

so a big .... you to you and your faux "im a victim".

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» RE: so what?? Posted by: Artemis2
» RE: so what?? Posted by: richholland
» RE: so what?? Posted by: dumdumboy
» RE: so what?? Posted by: PandaBear
» RE: so what?? Posted by: vivachavez
Pornography when wrongly used
Posted by: weathered on Jul 5, 2008 3:56 AM   
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and it usually is, can only have profound and damaging results - just ask the little boys who were exposed to it?

Can the self-esteem of the woman seduced by the 'money, fun and glamour' keep up w/the reality of their day after?

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The people have a right to defend themselves.
Posted by: Last Chance on Jul 5, 2008 5:28 AM   
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Anything that is commercialized is instantly demeaned and degenerated, and the people involved are also demeaned and degenerated. Commercialization corrupts everything it touches. Sadly, the writers of our Constitution couldn't foresee that, so we make whatever amendments we can agree on, the number of which is now zero. So the people are now thrown back on their own resources, which amounts to growing social chaos. The answer is to acquire small parcels of land to grow family gardens and trade with neighbors and friends. Otherwise be devoured by a system out of control.

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Biggest Telecarrier of Porn
Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 5, 2008 5:36 AM   
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And who is the darling of the Repub party and the religious right, and the biggest telecarrier of porn, and gets a 'free pass' from all of them for his porn millions/billions? Why it's none other than Rupert Murdoch and his News Corp and his Fox News.

Once again hypocrisy reigns supreme in the Rethug party and it's right wing religiouns.

Since when is porn Pro-Life and Family Values?

But I guess it's business and that must be what makes it alright, or something like that, or whatever is the latest rationalization the Rethugs and their right wing religions can come up with.

And we are the godless liberals that people like Ann Coulter, Peggy Noonan, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, Russert, Matthews, Scarborough, O'Reilly and Hannity like to talk about and against so much.

We may not be self appointed saints like St. Reagan and St. Russert, but by the same token we are not hypocrites and torturers for death and destruction of Muslims who, just by bad luck, are sitting on a pool of oil that the Bush family and their Rethugs think somehow, magically, belongs to them.

But I guess if you are a Republican your thinking is so circumspect, tangential, specious and convoluted that you can crawl your way to any and all such thoughts.

And then there is the Repug party's right wing religions who think the same thoughts, so what is so new and different about the entire bunch of them. In other words since they are convinced that all profits come from god(small g because their god is death dealing religious ideology and the golden idol, money) then it must be their god who created Murdoch's telecarrier porn business.

It's amazing how the Rethugs conflate god, religion, business, profits and politics all in the same package. With thinking that convoluted they can conflate and rationalize anything, any amount of twisted and devious logic that serves their purpose, must be okay.

And then someday we'll be nuking Moscow and China to defeat Communism. Also we'll be bombing the other eight countries that the Bush family wants attacked and destroyed. Ooops, excuse me, make that seven countries, because Baby Bush, the Texas twit, just took North Korea off his hit list. But that country is still a Communist country and therefore still on the Pope's hit list.

Of course, Vietnam was once thought by them to be a Communist country and on that same hit list. But I guess all of that is just forgiven and forgotten(flip floppery) by them because Vietnam is now a business partner. And once there is business, bidness, binness involved then all is just forgotten.

Oh welllll... Maybe someday they will stop killing for business or religious purposes.

It's all quite amazing how white Southerners, business people and their right wing religious ideologues think about the world and everyone who is NOT them.

Somehow, we are all just fodder for them and enemies to them. After all business ideology and religious ideology comes first and just trumps all human values.

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» bobtr900 - Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: bobtr900 - Posted by: weathered
» weathered Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: weathered Posted by: WyrdSister
» RE: bobtr900 - Posted by: Prairie Waif
Simple - Republicans have sex with guns
Posted by: defrag on Jul 5, 2008 6:40 AM   
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So once they got 5 votes on the S.Ct. in favor of gun porn, their gun porn became legal.

Unlike regular porn, everybody including kids is required to look at gun porn.

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What a silly headline!
Posted by: Jacki429 on Jul 5, 2008 6:55 AM   
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How can one compare guns to porn in terms of restrictions??? How many times have you watched a gun and been gripped to commit an illegal, immoral or dangerous act? How does porn protect our right to defend ourselves? Come on, journalist - you can do better than that...

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» RE: What a silly headline! Posted by: Athomahawk
NRA is home grown terrorism
Posted by: wallisp on Jul 5, 2008 7:00 AM   
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The real purpose of the NRA, has disappeared years ago. All they stand for now, is selling automatic weapons, and weapons of mass destruction. Now we have to use our tax dollars to arm the Mexican Army/Police, against the influx of military weapons from Texas, and the US. Eventually the Mexican authorities, will use our help, against their own people, as the always have. Thus the immigration problem will magnify. So live the ideals of, "The Lords of War"

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» RE: NRA is home grown terrorism Posted by: Athomahawk
» NRA is anything Posted by: zipper696
Which is Scarier?
Posted by: curiousdwk on Jul 5, 2008 7:06 AM   
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Which is scarier? The message of the craziness of our system where killing and gore is acceptable but love-making isn't? Or the responses to this article showing how many people have bought into society's warped message?

I would have thought more people would have responded in sympathy of this article. But from the responses, I find it freightening that so many people feel that sex is bad and we need to be protected from its badness - even though we don't need protection from guns. It has always amazed me that it's alright for movies to show people being disemboweled by Texas chainsaws, but it's not all right to show them making love.

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» RE: Which is Scarier? Posted by: donl51
» RE: Which is Scarier? Posted by: nen
I will support the old 2nd Amendment today when...
Posted by: wallisp on Jul 5, 2008 7:15 AM   
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When we have an invasion of murderous indians, and british soldiers. Since everyone today, lives on a ranch/farm,(HA HA) just like in the 18th century, I will protect myself against the current invaders.
This is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment, not to sell guns to domestic paranoid idiots. Since there are fewer and fewer places to even hunt anymore. population encroachments, there is less and less reason, to use hunting, as a reason for military guns in homes.

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» Murderous Indians?? Posted by: badkitty68
» RE: Murderous Indians?? Posted by: donl51
Guns can easily be used to divide and conquer the masses while sex cannot for the elites.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 5, 2008 7:22 AM   
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It's a government by the elite for the elite with a means of creating the illusion of that voting booth rigged to allow only a D or R into office. The gun toters who are inventing excuses such as "self defense" and "we need to be ready for the revolution" are going to have to be prepared to be seriously disappointed. If the brainwashed masses would have studied their history books a little closer, they would have realized that guns didn't bring revolutions. It was the fact that people were getting more sick and tired of being written off and screwed with taxation without representation. Fast forward to today. Here were are in a backward's world where people are being taxed stealthily through public infrastructure budgets cuts along with tax cuts for the wealthy elite and more funding for more wars for oil, foreclosures and bankruptcies continue to skyrocket, crude oil prices continue to rise which of course shows up at the pump and in the groceries and products you buy made and/or transported with it, trade deficits with just about every nation continues to increase thanks to those "free" trade scams, vested business elites such as Big Oil/Pharma/Chemical/Coal/Auto/etc... showing more hostility (via phoney "patents" and frivolous lawsuits) against non-monied people and/or groups who try to promote scientific discoveries and inventions that could be used to help solve a crisis such as an energy one, etc ... And amidst all this, a crazy "love" for guns that are highly unlikely to help them get through today's problems but will more likely give them the urge to kill one another as the rising deaths associated with firearms has shown. Along with it, the idiotic belief that just waiting for another "French Revolution" to come just like those pie-in-the-sky Enronomics as a justification for guns, guns, guns. With no regards to a WELL REGULATED MILITIA which the 2nd Amendment clearly states but the gun toters and the NRA disregard, the gun toters can dance around in total dysfunctionality while the NRA along with the vested business elites can keep laughing their way to the bank at the expense of the socially dysfunctional piss poorly educated masses. It's the BIGGEST example of DIVIDE AND CONQUER in all of American history and right now, it's only getting worse. And all the elitists in power especially the Supreme Court are saying with a BIG SMILE is "BRILLIANT !" The days more people put thinking before guns first is going to mark the beginning of America recovering its true freedom. Until then, it will remain LOSE LOSE (E.G. Heads, the NRA along with the rest of the vested business elites wins, tails you LOSE.)

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I wonder what Robert jensen thinks of this piece
Posted by: bizeeb on Jul 5, 2008 7:34 AM   
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I must say that I was surprised to find an article on Alternet defending pornography; how refreshing!

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Many Here Missing the Point
Posted by: badkitty68 on Jul 5, 2008 8:26 AM   
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The author isn't trying to convey that guns are bad, porno is good, or vice-versa. He is stating that it's ironic that the government is often more concerned with regulating consensual adult sexual activity and/or media, that any sort of reasonable restrictions on who can have what kind of weapon. I am a gun owner, and can see no earthly reason why any law-abiding person needs armor-piercing bullets, automatic weapons, or rocket launchers. And no, not every Tom, Dick, and psycho needs to be packing a handgun, either. But of course, the government will restrict none of it.
It's the same type of irony as a government is rabid about jailing people for growing, possessing, or using a PLANT THAT HAS KILLED NO ONE - unlike the dangerous, legal products of Big Pharma.
Of course, if the gubmint was serious about ferreting out sexual exploitation and perversion, they would most definitely want to start with the GOP.

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» RE: Many Here Missing the Point Posted by: Romantic Violence
Once you have a record...
Posted by: buzzsaw on Jul 5, 2008 9:36 AM   
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Once you're registered as a sex offender (the nature of the offense matters very little) the government is practically in complete control of your life. It can tell you where you can and can't live and who you can or can't be around. You're on a public Internet registry that anyone can search, including potential employers.

Likewise, a drug conviction of any kind gives the government ways of gaining control of your life.

Of course, in both cases you lose the right to own guns. The government is going about controlling guns, it's just using an indirect approach. The whole idea is to get something on everybody. If everybody has a criminal record, the Second Amendment becomes academic, and all manner of rights and privileges can be curtailed.

As far as the law-abiding citizen's need for fully automatic weapons and armor-piercing bullets is concerned, all I'll say is Blackwater wears body armor.

buzzsaw

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» RE: Once you have a record... Posted by: Romantic Violence
» RE: Once you have a record... Posted by: YogiBear
WHY . . .?
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jul 5, 2008 9:40 AM   
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Name a subject about which the U.S Public is more FUBAR than sex. Read the rest of the essays here having to do with sex - especially those written by women - then read the commentaries.

The government can't do anything about Iraq, the energy crisis and drilling for oil, alternative energy sources, and fifty things the like - because every nutcase ideological faction in the country has a say in everything.

"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy that wasn't a suicide." John Adams.

It just happens that this democracy has chosen to mutilate itself before suicide.

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» RE: WHY . . .? Posted by: Kcanadensis
» RE: WHY . . .? Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
This country was founded upon...
Posted by: localhost008 on Jul 5, 2008 9:41 AM   
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... puritan values. Values where persecution, shame, ridicule, fear, self-righteousness, and unforgiving cruel and unusual punishment (punishment justified through religious double standards and hypocrisy) are the basis for their demented form of 'civilization'. And these puritan assholes are still here, obviously, since they rule that righteous slaughter and righteous vengeance supersede sexual freedom.


Their backwards logic and mechanism for control (thanks to their deep seeded religious superstition and unquestioning submission to authority) goes like this:

"It's O.K. to murder others just as long as you're ordered to do so (See:

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Tyranny historically
Posted by: SouthernWolf on Jul 5, 2008 9:43 AM   
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Has kept to itself weapons the people under the tyranny might use to resist it, and tyrannies have also forbidden or restricted even civilized discourse among the people concerning the tyranny. There is no contradiction in the Supreme Court affirming the right of the people to keep and bear arms and permitting the prosecution of people profiting from lewd depictions of sexual acts. The Founders intended the First Amendment to refer to civilized discourse, not yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater or pandering to depravity. It is the difference between the civilized discourse here on Alternet and posting pornographic fantasies. If someone posted that here Alternet would remove it. Everyone of the Bill of Rights concerns individual rights. Under the First Amendment we need not discuss the government in whispers behind closed doors, we are free to discuss it in public. Under the Second Amendment we need not rely on the government to protect freedom, we have the force to do so ourselves if need be. Those who claim the Second refers only to a state militia would have us live in a society where only the government has weapons, and only the government has freedom of speech. North Korea, anyone?

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This country was founded upon... (sorry for repost, it wouldn't let me use links...)
Posted by: localhost008 on Jul 5, 2008 9:48 AM   
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... puritan values. Values where persecution, shame, ridicule, fear, self-righteousness, and unforgiving cruel and unusual punishment (punishment justified through religious double standards and hypocrisy) are the basis for their demented form of 'civilization'. And these puritan assholes are still here, obviously, since they rule that righteous slaughter and righteous vengeance supersede sexual freedom.


Their backwards logic and mechanism for control (thanks to their deep seeded religious superstition and unquestioning submission to authority) goes like this:

"It's O.K. to murder others just as long as you're ordered to do so (See: Milgram Experiment), you are not responsibility for that kind of murder for it is righteous and just murder. But do not DARE fantasize about naked women! God punishes those who have impure thoughts!"

Two books I recommend that pertain to these subject are-

Violence: Reflections on a National Epidemic by James Gilligan which shows that violent behavior stems from feelings of shame or of being shamed

-AND-

The Authoritarians by Dr. Robert Altemeyer which lays out the psychology of the Right-Wing Authoritarian followers/leaders who are the enemies of freedom and world security in general.

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Disappointingly Juvenile
Posted by: WWMD on Jul 5, 2008 10:21 AM   
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When I started reading this article, I thought it was written by some whiney, immature 20-something who cranked out some shit to fill an empty space on AlterNet's front page.

I was blown away to discover that the author has a PhD and has written 6 books! Was his "inner child" the author of this dreck?

Everybody over the age of 30 knows that porn-bashing is the official sport of Florida. Self-righteous Christian dumbasses with government jobs have been bringing porn stars-and rappers-to trial for years just to posture for their fundamentalist dumbass electorate. Frequently, the pornsters and rappers are acquitted by the juries.

The author's attempt to put porn on the same footing as guns was very juvenile and self-pitying. If the good Dr. wants to run around naked in public without carrying a gun, there are still plenty of places outside of Florida where he can do it.

The Supreme Court has already pretty much protected people's 1st Amendment Right to access porn and has pretty much already protected people's 4th Amendment Right to have consensual sex with any adult regardless of the plumbing sets of the participants. The Florida trial is just a sad attempt by judges and prosecutors to win re-election.

This article is a tribute to adult immaturity.

WWMD

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» RE: Disappointingly Juvenile Posted by: scootmandubious
Consensual?
Posted by: Cathyc on Jul 5, 2008 3:29 PM   
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The author of this article asks:

"Why is the government allowed to jail people for selling videos of adults having (consensual) sex?"

My question is. Why segregate the word "consensual"? Either adults are consenting to their mutually agreed interactions, or they are not.

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» RE: Consensual? Posted by: zipper696
Yay guns!
Posted by: Starfall Deception on Jul 5, 2008 4:51 PM   
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I used to be all for gun control. But then, we have gun control in a lot of cities, and the dudes still get the guns to commit the crimes. And, ususally, they're illegal anyhow.

So why not let the people defend themselves? If you live in a shady area, wouldn't you rather have a gun in your house in case somebody breaks in? I know I would.

I don't own a gun, personally, but I live in a nice area.

The porn, on the other hand... there shouldn't be a reason for them to jail these guys. But I don't know the entire story. Where can I find an article about the Florida porn bust?

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» I hate the NRA... Posted by: YogiBear
Right-WIngers are Wrong
Posted by: vivachavez on Jul 5, 2008 8:43 PM   
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As if owning a pistol or hunting rifle is going to protect your freedom from a government that has tanks, airplanes, bombs, etc.

The right to "bear arms", not guns, was relevant when the government had the same weaponry as the citizenry, but not anymore when the military and police departments have billion dollar WMDs.

And what part of "As part of a well-regulated militia" do you right-wingers not understand. It seems clear that the 2nd Amendment was written to ensure that the state militia, an obselete institution, would have an ample supply of armed volunteers.

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» EXACTLY. Amen brother ! Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: XACTLY. Amen brother ! Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: ight-WIngers are Wrong Posted by: donl51
The 2d amendment
Posted by: coolrayfruge on Jul 6, 2008 8:01 AM   
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The secound amendment was written.
When colonist were gathering together to fight oppression against a corrupt government abusing their power.
Yes our government has planes ,ships ,amored vehicals and WOMD paid for by our tax dollars.
But the Military is devised of soldiers who come from civilian family's.
Our soldiers are sworn to protect the people ,their rights and the Constitution of the United States.
I hope that when the day comes they stand on the side of the people , people .
Not Greedy self serving ambitious businessmen on a power trip.
America is so busy trying to be like Modern day Roman Empire.
It will fall like the Roman Empire did !

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» RE: The 2d amendment Posted by: donl51
» RE: The 2d amendment Posted by: maxpayne
Everyone. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 6, 2008 9:40 AM   
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. . .here might like to know that freedom of expression is still available on TV -- as long as it is bloody. Recently, I watched the made-for-television, prime-time-aired remake of "The Andromeda Strain," and was treated to the joy of watching someone cut off his own head with a chainsaw.

Saw off your own head? Fabulous entertainment. Seeing a nipple? Eternal damnation (and possibly a revoked FCC license.)

When will we ever get over our Puritan Hangover?

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» RE: veryone. . . Posted by: donl51
aborting representative gov't & justice with criminalized vice & a lack of Public Will for Privacy..
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 7, 2008 7:32 AM   
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Vice
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Think about it...

The Thieves of Virtue: criminalizing vice without fulfilling a moral mandate for Privacy effective aborts representative government.

really, VICE is contextual:
* gender
* ethnicity
* age
* race...

all pay a part in morals. but VICE, should never be *criminalized*, especially in a nation where PRIVACY has been abolished.

Who is PERFECT ENOUGH to represent THE PEOPLE or a populist reform when there is neither privacy nor the Will to preserve privacy in society?
Who stands *for the People* when Money & Power exert corrosive controls to extend their oppression & corruption?

You've been *had*

Nobody is immune to *vice* as VICE is about how ONE PERSON privately & personally determines *how to enjoy their own body*...

Naked Truth: Civil Rights & CNN coverage of "F.B.I. biometric database - 'Server in the Sky'"
...& THAT is how THE MORAL MAJORITY ensured Money & Power will kill representative government for The Peoples who seek JUSTICE, Freedom & Human Rights.

"corruption is why we win":
"Yell Fire!": Bush to freeze peace activist assets? - Executive Order to "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq"

NSA's Domestic Spying Grows As Agency Sweeps Up Data

Diamond Age? - Kids, RFID Chips... & Minority Reporting?!: thoughts on the new US Project Hostile Intent (PHI)

"To be a trade unionist (in Columbia) is to carry a tombstone on your back": Mark Thomas "on Coca-Cola" documentary.

ABC News: Report: U.S. Soldiers Did 'Dirty Work' for Chinese Interrogators

"shock & awe-ful thing"s: "Taking Liberties" & forced drugging of Non-Americans on US flights


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porn outlawing ? in florida, nothing new I guess. guns??? hummmm?
Posted by: cherylsass123 on Jul 7, 2008 10:38 PM   
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2nd amendment ? something like this, from what I can remember. " a well-regulated millitia being nessesary to secure a free state; the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon." NOTE: a well-REGULATED millitia! come to think about it, that is what CANADA has now? I mean hunters can still have their shotguns in canada! BUT.... they must be regulated so that criminals can not buy or keep firearms. try and explain that to some " responsible" gun owning florida repug-nican redneck bible thumper ; the same one whom is against those " peddalers of smut" like Michael J Peter- owner of orlando's ' thee doll house' [ if it is still there since 1998 on the south OBT??]

as far as the porn thing goes? well many so called liberal "feminist" women seem to be just as much against it, as do those bible-toting conservatives. then again, it is those same bible toters whose pick-em-up trucks can be found in front of one of those many topless clubs on saturday night; then those same trucks can be seen in the parking lots of " ebeneezer first baptist, preliminary, missionary, evangelical church" on sunday mornings[ this being what the late anton szandor la vey said in his book " the satanic bible" about many of the most devout christians being hypocrites- he was right!] I lived down in orlando/orange county from 1985-1998; and so, still remember all the porno wars being waged in the name of " wholesome family values"; this of couse by the very same, hate-filled " christian" people whom protested at disney world over same sex partner benefits. it seemed back then as if every fucking politician bought into this shit; from then orlando mayor glenda hood[ repug-right!] ; to old buck-tooth US sen. bill mc collum. but porno is good for the righteous, after all ; as the old saying " one hand washes the other" [ bible??] seemed to always be true in good old FLORIDA! after all, they needed the nearly 7,000 seat, 5 story tall orlando first baptist church; as well as the 5,000 seat calvary assembly of god in winter park[ lighted cross on I-4!]; to save all those " lost souls corrupted by sin."!

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Criminalizing VICE & loss of PRIVACY *aborts* POPULIST REFORM & Representative Gov't
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 8, 2008 11:08 AM   
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Vice
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. . . Think about it...

The Thieves of Virtue: criminalizing VICE effectively aborts representative government.

really, VICE is contextual:
* gender
* ethnicity
* age
* race...

all pay a part in morals. but VICE, should never be *criminalized*, especially in a nation where PRIVACY has been abolished.

Who is PERFECT ENOUGH to represent THE PEOPLE or a populist reform when there is neither privacy nor the Will to preserve privacy in society?
Who stands *for the People* when Money & Power exert corrosive controls to extend their oppression & corruption?

You've been *had*

Nobody is immune to *vice* as VICE is about how ONE PERSON privately & personally determines *how to enjoy their own body*...

Naked Truth: Civil Rights & CNN coverage of "F.B.I. biometric database - 'Server in the Sky'"
...& THAT is how THE MORAL MAJORITY ensured Money & Power will kill representative government for The Peoples who seek JUSTICE, Freedom & Human Rights.

there is no 'we' in corruption

NSA's Domestic Spying Grows As Agency Sweeps Up Data

Diamond Age? - Kids, RFID Chips... & Minority Reporting?!: thoughts on the new US Project Hostile Intent (PHI)

GUESS WHAT? THE MORE YOU PERMIT MONEY & POWER TO CRIMINALIZE HUMAN BEHAVIOURS, THE MORE MONEY & POWER HAVE THE ABILITY TO SMACK YOU DOWN AS YOU DEMAND YOUR RIGHTS & FREEDOMS...
...its a technique to keep you scrambling for your rights...

"To be a trade unionist (in Columbia) is to carry a tombstone on your back": Mark Thomas "on Coca-Cola" documentary

"the American Dream": "Consumerism & the Ownership Class" - RIP Carlin

"shock & awe-ful thing"s: "Taking Liberties" documentary & forced drugging of Non-Americans on US flights

Professor Ticketed for "No to Empire" Bumper Sticker despite California legislation...

"This Is What Democracy Looks Like": "... what you're feeling is your First Taste of Freedom... "

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