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Sex and Relationships

Why Interracial Love Is Still Hard

By Heather Wood, Sirens Magazine. Posted March 21, 2008.


Interracial relationships are more common now than in, say, 1950, but the pressure on today's mixed couple is still very real.
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The miscegenation of our society may seem to be growing at a steady rate based on how often we've been talking about race lately. But let's not kid ourselves. Interracial relationships represent approximately seven percent of couples in the country, which is incredible progress considering they represented just .07 percent in 1960. But for our ever-diversifying nation, these are alarmingly low figures. For the most part, everyone is still sticking to their "own kind." Is this intentional segregation or just cultural tradition? Could be both. But one thing remains certain: Every interracial couple entering into a serious relationship knows what struggles lie ahead. Maybe that 93 percent would just rather avoid them.

I can't say I blame them. I'm white, and I lead a very happy life with my black husband. Our families love us and our friends are accepting. Of course it helps that we live in Los Angeles, a big city that's had a longer time to get used to multiculturalism and interracial couples than most. Still, we experience little daily reminders of just how far we have yet to go to reach complete acceptance in this country -- a raised eyebrow here, a snarky comment there, just enough to remind us that we're still discriminated against. And we've got it easy compared to most: Had we been born at different times and in different states, we'd never have had a chance.

It was only 40 years ago -- on June 12, 1967 -- that the U.S. Supreme Court knocked down a Virginia statute barring whites from marrying non-whites. The Loving v. Virginia ruling also overturned similar bans in 15 other states. This was the same year that Hollywood released Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?, a comedy based on a white couple's inability to accept their daughter's black fiancé. The film was considered both groundbreaking and controversial.

Bob Jones University in South Carolina only dropped its ban on interracial dating in 2000; a year later 40 percent of voters objected when Alabama became the last state to remove a ban on interracial marriages from its constitution. So, yes, we've still got some work to do.

One of the hardest struggles for interracial couples is the fact that the topic itself is still one of the most debated "taboos" in our country -- a country that, at its heart, is still very nervous about the idea of races, cultures, and classes mixing. (Consider ongoing immigration debates, an imbalanced criminal justice system, and the fact that we can't stop obsessing about the degree of blackness of our mixed-race presidential candidate.)

It also doesn't help that happy, healthy interracial couples are still a novelty in Hollywood. Movies and TV -- especially standard, primetime adult fare -- are largely whitewashed, and when minorities are represented in relationships, they have to stick to their own kind (The George Lopez Show and Tyler Perry movies, for example). Even when there's the chance for a legitimate interracial relationship, scripts are shifted to keep things "safe." The biggest no-no seems to be black/white pairings. Denzel Washington can mack on Eva Mendez in Training Day, but in both The Pelican Brief and The Bone Collector, the hottest black actor in Hollywood didn't have a chance in hell at getting hot and heavy with co-stars Julia Roberts and Angelina Jolie. What a shame.

"There are no complex sociological reasons for the taboo still attached to interracial romance in movies. It's racism, pure and simple," says Charles Taylor, in an article about the lack of such relationships in pop culture. "Perhaps these attitudes are sometimes connected to an executive's fear that audiences will be turned off by the sight of black and white together, but a decision that bows to racism must bear the mark of racism itself."


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New generation doesn't blink at interracial relationships
Posted by: skyblizzer on Mar 22, 2008 8:23 AM   
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A Gallup Poll on interracial dating in June found that 95% of 18- to 29-year-olds approve of blacks and whites dating. About 60% of that age group said they have dated someone of a different race.

Olivia Lin, 18, of Brooklyn, N.Y., is Asian; she's dating someone who is Puerto Rican and says her family is "pretty open to it." Lin, who will graduate in the spring with both a high school diploma and an associate's degree, in the fall will attend Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass., the only non-sectarian Jewish-sponsored college or university in the country.

High school freshman Aliya Whitaker, 14, of Montclair, N.J., says her mother is Jamaican and her father is African-American. Her mother encourages her to make friends with those of other races.

"She's never told me to stick with my own people or choose sides," Whitaker says. "When my friends have quinceaeras (Hispanic girls' 15th-birthday celebrations) or bar mitzvahs (a Jewish coming-of-age ceremony for 13-year-olds), she encourages me to go.

"But she says: 'Remember where you come from.' "

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It's always been easy for me
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 22, 2008 8:57 AM   
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;)

jdfu!

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It's Harder Than It Appears
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 24, 2008 1:01 AM   
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Maybe it's because I live in the south, but despite things getting better it is still hard. There is resistance in many quarters- not just from or within the white community.

I have dated women of all races and know what the stares, snide comments and cold shoulders feel like. The days of in your face opposition are largely gone, but hundred of years of ignorance seems to live on.

I sincerely think that many white men would love to date out of their race in the south but fear the price of going against the folkways- which is a powerful force in the southern subculture. I have seen similar attitudes among some african american women I know- they would like to but fear, or simply choose not to deal with, all the baggage from friends, neighbors and family. Sounds crazy, but it is very real.

I think simple demographics will, in the long run, carry the day. As America becomes more and more multicultural the simple math will overcome the folkways and bias against interracial relationships. I sincerely hope so.

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Race, "an elusive concept"
Posted by: efficacy on Mar 24, 2008 3:37 AM   
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I have been married to two white women. They have been great for me and I hope the same is true for them also.

I lecture at many universities about the drug war and find race is not important to the younger people. They are much more aware that it is over rated.

It's not about race but what is about is gender. Going along to get along is something that is true of all couples.

Race in a relationship becomes secondary, one has to relate to the women/men. That can be taxing enough.

Our history on race is well documented and it is not pretty. We keep fighting it and hopefully with this presidential "race" for the whitehouse we will once again address this age old eye sore.

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The Problem with This Article...
Posted by: raymondg on Mar 24, 2008 4:03 AM   
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I applaud this article for bringing to relief the problems interracial couples continue to face in a supposedly post-race America. Arguably more than any other issue today, Americans are extremely uncomfortable with intimate relations between racial groups.

Nevertheless, I have two main problems with this article. The first is that the author gives the impression that it is southerners who have the most trouble with interracial relationships. In fact, some of the most intolerant attitudes toward these relationships can be found in the North. Look at the history of suburbs, which proliferated in the North precisely because Whites wanted to get away from Blacks. Look at the history of busing in Northern cities, which barely got off the ground because of intense White resistance to
sending their children to sit side by side with Black children in schools.

A bigger problem I have with the article is that the author flattens out differences between interracial groups. In fact, all interracial groups are not the same. Black/White interracial couples receive much more hostility than other racial pairings. Moreover, Black male/White female is the most difficult interracial pairing of all for Americans to deal with because of the complex history America has with Black men. What the author does not deal with at all is that Asian/White and Latino/White pairings are much more common and readily accepted than Black/White pairings. For some Asian groups, marrying White is acceptable because it helps to bring the race "up," while marrying Black is decidedly unacceptable because it brings the race "down." Latinos are intensely color conscious inasmuch as lighter skin is far preferable to darker skin. Thus, marrying White is okay, while marrying Black is not.

Of course there are exceptions, but the demographic and sociological trends bear my comments out.

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"Miles to go...."
Posted by: talkville on Mar 24, 2008 4:10 AM   
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Like all our emotions, Love has been reified into a "thing" that exists somehow apart from the human individual and one just goes and "gets" some or buys some as Supply and Demand and the Market dictate. But loving, "inter-racial" or otherwise described, consists in shared feelings between and among human beings all over this globe. The problem is that, in this as in all of our relations, the Corporate-State and the Church has introduced itself into the 'space' and the 'time' that exists between each individual; we are enveloped in a larger social, cultural, economic and political environment.

Loving is difficult these days period.

As for the USA and much of the world, that old Platonic error that there is such a thing as a 'pure spirit', suitably translated into the body and conceptions of 'pure blood', has ruled, assumed and un-stated -- that is, as a Pre-judice--into our own 'advanced' and 'enlightened' society. We're ALL "inter-racial"; there's no physical or meta-physical evidence to point otherwise. But it's ever seductive for some to fancy themselves as different in kind and not in degree from others. Let 'em be; but do not let 'em rule!.

And just keep loving whoever it is you love. And, yup, it's hard, way hard. Those who 'keep to their own kind' share Delusions not actuality. They need deceit to live, and will always pursue 'happiness' not truth.

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» RE: "Miles to go...." Posted by: dave16
Interracial love on screen-not as simple as it seems
Posted by: Woodpecker on Mar 24, 2008 4:26 AM   
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Dear Sir


Your article about interracial love in movies cites Denzel Washington and Julia Roberts in the film version of John Grisham's "The Pelican Brief". I should like to point out that one reason for the low rate of interracial love themes is not due solely to white bigotry but because Denzel( my namesake but not my kinsman) -and presumably other black stars's- biggest fan base is amongst African American women- who given that so many potential black mates are in jail, probation or prison, would presumably react negatively to Denzel "getting it on on" with a white woman.
True, a major league white star, Angelina Jolie, Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz or Drew Barrymore who refused to engage in love scenes with African American, Hispanic or Oriental actors or actresses for fear of offending their fan base would be deservedly pilloried as pandering to racists, but Denzel is black and it seems unfair to ask him to antagonize a major section of the people who go to his films just for the sake of racial equality.

Terry Washington

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» Denzel... Posted by: morticia
One Point of Contention
Posted by: WaldoMaui on Mar 24, 2008 5:38 AM   
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I don't know of anyone on planet Earth, other than Heather Wood, who considers the film "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?" a comedy.

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» RE: One Point of Contention Posted by: TokyoTuds
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» RE: One Point of Contention Posted by: YogiBear
If it were only so simple.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Mar 24, 2008 5:46 AM   
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A problem lies behind the growing level of interracial dating. The lowering of barriers simply makes the problem more apparent. That is the single standard of beauty in America - which incorporates not only light skin color but Caucasian features. If I were a black woman in this country, I would not be happy at all that many black men find white women more attractive than women of their own race. The extent of the problem is reflected in the high proportion of black male / white female couples to white male / black female. The obvious reason for this imbalance is that both black and white men are competing aggressively for white women.

I believe there is a natural and healthy tendency for us to be attracted to people who are like us, including, but not limited to features we would consider racial.
Some resistance by family members and peer groups to interracial dating would also make sense. To put this in perspective, it seems perfectly reasonable for a parent to wish for his or her child to marry within their faith or culture, so why not race? I find it offensive that this natural tendency should be so easily labeled as bigotry. Which is not to say that once a bond has been formed, friends and family should not acknowledge and embrace the validity of the couple's relationship, as they do in the vast majority of cases.

I believe that some pressure for conformity within racial and cultural groups is not inappropriate, and would be greatly aided by revised standards of beauty. Homogeneity is the end result of interracial marriage. Diversity is a good thing too.

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» RE: If it were only so simple. Posted by: no1kstate
» Seems like Code to me Posted by: Balanz
» RE: Seems like Code to me Posted by: morticia
» RE: Seems like Code to me Posted by: no1kstate
» RE: If it were only so simple. Posted by: MartianBachelor
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» RE: If it were only so simple. Posted by: bittershaman
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» RE: If it were only so simple. Posted by: bittershaman
THE HUMAN RACE!
Posted by: snackalicious on Mar 24, 2008 6:24 AM   
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Whether a person is BLACK; WHITE; RED; YELLOW;
BROWN; or GREEN, the bottom line is WE ARE ALL
HUMAN! We all came from our Black ancestors, ALL of US. RACISM = IGNORANCE and Our ignorance is their power!

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» RE: THE HUMAN RACE! Posted by: YogiBear
» Green? Posted by: morticia
» RE: Green? Posted by: benzene
» RE: Green? Posted by: morticia
My Perspective...
Posted by: dave16 on Mar 24, 2008 6:37 AM   
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Please see www.discussrace.com

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My grandson
Posted by: yeimaya on Mar 24, 2008 7:08 AM   
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I hope the article is right about how much less teenagers today care about race than their older siblings and parents. Then there is a chance when my grandson (white dad and black mom) grows up he will be able to chose friends and love from amongst people that enrich his soul.

God knows that can be hard to find.

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» Your grandson will be okay Posted by: HistArch
What a simple analysis of an important topic
Posted by: nfamous on Mar 24, 2008 7:47 AM   
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Let's look at both sides of the black-white interracial equation. First the least common of the two: white men and black women. The only reason these relationships happen are because black women have given up on black men and the fact that some white men are fascinated with black female sexuality. Interracial relationships usually don't last because they are based on sex most of the time unless, like the article says, they are formed very early on but that is nearly impossible unless the black family is well-to-do because of de facto segregation. The legacy of slavery has forever tainted black-white relationships of all types in this country. There is a power dynamic by which the white person feels they can control the black person and this is why I personally feel that black-white relationships are injurious to the psyche of the black person, male or female.

The case of black males and white females is a little different. Many white women fantasize about being with black men. They've heard all the rumors about penis size and wild, unbridled sex. They're usually bored with their man and want to let loose. At that point the black man has already ceased to be a human being. He is just a tool for further white exploitation. Of course many black males don't mind as long as they get the wild sex that black women will usually not do (and we all know what that is) or not do often enough.

I'm a black male and I find some white women physically attractive but I am turned off by the fact that they think they are doing black men some huge favor by having sex with us. It is really the other way around. I'm also turned off when white women assume that black men like all white women. I use the same criteria for all women regardless of skin color. White women also think they know black women better then black men do just because we complain about black female attitudes many times. White women use that in a shallow attempt to empathize with black men and many of us fall for the insult. What is worse is white women that only date black men. That is the definition of racism. I stay away from those because they just want a black man that reminds them of some Hollywood star or athlete to fetishize him something better comes along.

I don't expect a relationship to form from having sex with white women. It's just sex and always will be. For relationships I stick to black, Asian and Latina women because white women hop from bed to bed with black men and we do the same with them. It is just taboo kinky sex and too many people are fooling themselves into believing they have a real relationship when it is not even possible in this racist society with the power dynamic so slanted in white favor. I will continue to see white women as the objects they are and they are free to see me as such too.

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» What a shiny mirror Posted by: benzene
not natural
Posted by: bluepilgrim on Mar 24, 2008 9:24 AM   
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I suppose it's people's right to pair with they want, but I don't think it's natural: I saw a couple the other day which I thought was repulsive; the one guy had hazel eyes and the other guy's eyes were blue. I don't see how a hazel can be attracted to anyone with blue eyes. After all, we are people, not cats!

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» RE: not natural Posted by: AlineSE
» RE: not natural Posted by: GPFrank
» That was... Posted by: morticia
» RE: not natural Posted by: bluepilgrim
» RE: Our species is insane.... Posted by: morticia
Media certainly plays a crucial role
Posted by: AlineSE on Mar 24, 2008 9:26 AM   
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in how the people experience race.
I'm Mexican and have lived in Mexico City most of my life, and skin colour is an issue that heavily permeates the whole of our society, from soap operas to jobs. For instance, if you turn on the TV on channels 2, 7 and 13, you'll notice that soap operas invariably feature blondish (dyed blond hair and light-coloured eyes) actors and actresses interpreting the virtuous, the good, and especially the wealthy characters; and those people with rather “autochthonous” features always play the roles of either the “baddies” or the poor characters. Nothing new, right? How about watching the news on channels 7 or 13 and seeing the same thing? All the staff that appear in front of the cameras look exactly the same as the people in soaps, even the girl that appears for less than two minutes to give you the headlines: blonde hair -be it natural or fake- light-coloured skin and eyes. These people are supposed to be serious, professional journalists who should be neutrally informing the average Mexican what happens in the country and the world. It makes me wonder how people take their job seriously, when they represent nothing but a racial and economic elite that stripping them of their dignity, being that the vast majority of Mexicans who watch them daily are brown!
A friend of mine from school was dating a soap opera actress that could never get a main role in soaps because her eyes were light brown, not green or blue. Now, whenever I go to the movies and realise how the mainstream American society is not ready to cope with interracial love, it doesn't surprise me, but it really infuriates me when such racism is taken to Mexican media and celebrated by the masses who watch it, assimilate it and try to live up to it.
I am brown-skinned and have straight, black hair, and I’m a translator, a job many simple-minded, ignorant people think I’m unfit for simply because they believe that being brown means I’m incapable of mastering a language that in the Mexican imagination can only be spoken correctly and eloquently by light-skinned people!
Like my American friend Rachael says whenever she's engaged in a discussion about classism in Mexico: "Classism is racism, or have you ever seen an indigenous man driving a corvette in Bosques de las Lomas (a high-end neighbourhood)?"

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Sometime is can be very subtle
Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 24, 2008 9:34 AM   
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My ex was sansei, 3rd generation Japanese American. We could be holding hands, hugging or even kissing and people would register surprise when they found out we were a couple. Once I had a homeless man do some work for me around the house. Big old "redneck" looking guy. When I would go into the stores with him to pick out project supplies, he would walk 3 ft behind me yet people assumed he was my husband! Very strange.

The whole irony of "interracial dating" is that most of us our mixed anyway. My Polish American grandpa reacted negatively at first(he changed his mind later) to me marrying an Asian. He himself was small boned, hairless body, very dark, with slightly almond shaped eyes. Centuries ago, G. Khan invaded Poland and left lots of Asian genes in the population. And my own biological father was about 1/2 Native American. Look back far enough into your ancestory and you will be surprised!

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a snarky comment
Posted by: juslimin on Mar 24, 2008 9:50 AM   
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"Still, we experience little daily reminders of just how far we have yet to go to reach complete acceptance in this country -- a raised eyebrow here, a snarky comment there, just enough to remind us that we're still discriminated against."
This sort of comment really taints my ability to take this article seriously.
I have been married to my husband for 8 years (together for 10) and our experience of the world is so different. We live in a smaller California town, north of Los Angeles (the home of the author). I can't ever remember getting "a raised eyebrow here, a snarky comment there".
Is the author going out looking for it?
We have two children and perhaps get more nods of acceptance and smiles, on a daily basis, than I got when I was a single white woman.
What sort of energy are you putting out there? Do you think this sort of exaggeration bolsters your credibility?

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» RE: a snarky comment Posted by: Kym525
It's just like Yoko Ono said...
Posted by: Joni50 on Mar 24, 2008 10:12 AM   
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From near the end of the article, from the mouth of a Black woman married to a White man:
"I'm in [an interracial relationship] and it isn't hard at all," she says. "My husband doesn't think of me as black so much as a woman and a human being; and I certainly don't spend time thinking about the color of his skin as much as I ponder the reasons why he doesn't clean up after himself!"

Why he doesn't clean up after himself. Because that's what women and people of color do, clean up after white men. Think about it. Like Ono said, woman is the ...... of the world.

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» RE: It's just like Yoko Ono said... Posted by: whitechocolate
» RE: It's just like Yoko Ono said... Posted by: whitechocolate
I would never ever date a black guy
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Mar 24, 2008 10:35 AM   
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However, I have dated quite a few really nice black women.lol

I'm 69 and initially dated a black girl in my teens.
We met due to my playing in some bands in Chicago in the 50's.

I have no doubt someone will attempt to inject racism into this comment for their own uses however, I'll state it anyway.
I have found something about most black women which is very attractive yet indefineable.
I could be my own afinity due to many positive experiences.
The negative experiences I had when dating a black woman was from racist black guys and racist white guys.
Since I've always been aggressively assertive, I had gotten into some physical arguments while defending my date and myself.
Someone doesn't like it they can stick it where their brain is.

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» Right on American vet. Posted by: yale
The real problem is that people just don't mind their own business
Posted by: Kym525 on Mar 24, 2008 10:41 AM   
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Interracial dating seems to be the one topic EVERYONE has an opinion about (and it's usually wrong), and it's really sad. I mean we're not talking about different species, but PEOPLE who just so happen not to look alike--big wow! The irony about all the so-called "taboos" is that human nature being what it is, people are going to be curious about the "other".

My boyfriend in latino and I'm black. Do we get looks from people? Probably--because he's got long hair and is in a band. The thing is, neither of us give a damn whether someone thinks it's "bad" or "weird" or whatever. If people spent a lot less time obsessing over who goes to bed with whom, this world would be a far happier place. I didn't choose my boyfriend because I "gave up" on black men (I hate that assertion because it's like a guilt trip); I've pretty much have always dated interracially because black men simply were not off into the things I was into, and unlike a lot of black women 'waiting to exhale', life is too short waiting for a BMW (Black Man Working) who likes dungeons and dragons and anime and power metal.

Thankfully, the younger generation seems to be damn sight smarter than the rest of us. I just saw a black teenage girl with her white boyfriend crossing the street this morning. They saw me and smiled and I just gave 'em a thumbs up. Then again, she did have a blue mohawk and a Dead Kennedys t-shirt. Sorry to say but not too many black guys her age are off into that. They looked cute and were happy and considering all the sadness in the world, at least there was something great.

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dmloucas
Posted by: dmloucas on Mar 24, 2008 10:57 AM   
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I cringe at the term 'interracial'. An analysis of the human genetic code clearly demonstrates that there is no variable among humans that rises to the level of defining race or subspecies. In fact darker people differ as much from each other as they do from lighter people. That is because they are all the same race. In dogs shepherds, collies, terriers... are all dogs of a different race. There is nothing analogous to this among humans. Therefore 'interracial' should never be applied to humans because it is a misnomer and simply becomes fodder for justifying intolerance.

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Oversimplificatiom
Posted by: sableskin on Mar 24, 2008 1:16 PM   
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As a Black woman, I always feel that racism trumps sexism although both of them are ugly. I have dated IR, and I can tell you, there is an entirely different dynamic for a BW/WM pairing than for a BM/WW, for example. That the author doesn't understand this tells me alot about how much she doesn't know. Additionally, I think a truly IR relationship involves a blend of cultures. At the expense of offending someone a black 8th grade graduate and a white 8th grade graduate are going to see the world in basically the same terms; I just don't see alot of IR progress there. I do believe there is also an element of socio-economics that factors in as well.

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Cry me a river
Posted by: Phenix on Mar 24, 2008 1:20 PM   
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Some say "life isn't perfect". Other people whine and say "people look at me funny." Maybe we all just need some flowers or a nice letter from a stranger that will affirm our life choices.

IMO, it is natural for people to want to stay with in their own tribes. Its not shocking or outside of human nature. My ex broke my heart when I found out her Russian mother would never accept me. It partially led to our break up and later I find out that she heard wedding bells when I talked about our future together. I gave up because I thought her family wouldn't accept me. It was my mistake and I've regretted it ever since. My ex is now married to an average (ignorant/uncouth) American man. Wow, I'm a still bitter.

Every single person does not need to accept your life choices to make them valid. The only time I care about racism is when it leads to violence, government and/or corporate discrimination. Otherwise stop looking for society to affirm your actions. If your family disagrees with you then deal with that in your family. If they disown you then, well, make your choice.

If you haven't noticed articles like this make me cringe.

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Hardening the human foible of narcissm into an imperative
Posted by: GPFrank on Mar 24, 2008 7:12 PM   
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Tribalism has been with us since the dawn of history (re: . . ."that big nosed Hittite " remark in Genesis

Narcissism is part of human traits and so we have that strong taboo about incest because of the genetic consequences of too much inbreeding.
Among tribes there are special ceremonies attached to marrying into another tribe because
it has become too homogeneous.

But what made racism "a bloody tenet" of modern
history (paraphrasing Roger Williams statement about forcing religion) is the misapplication of science and false genetic theories and their further use in justification of slavery.
One of the unfortunate results of the Enlightenment was the systematic use of classification in political and social practice
Classification came to mean knowledge per se.
Thus our narcsism which is only a feeling among
many feelings is crystallized into an ideology
of categories.
We crystallized the beauty of other human beings into a superstitious search for negative traits

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Fallout from the 'old' days
Posted by: herbal on Mar 24, 2008 7:54 PM   
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My mother's father was a wetback (stand in for Caesar Romero and he looked like Valentino). The border state marriage lasted only 3 years. The family was Goldwater conservative and rascist, except they loved my beautiful mother and made great concessions for her benefit. They accommodated her by refusing visitation so she could be assimilated into white pioneer culture. My grandfather looked her up when she was 40 and they hit it off in grand style. He was successful with a later family and he had assimilated as well with assumed name and grey hair, he could fit and did. Mother could never get any details from him about his Indian mother, family back in Mexico; he said netter to leave it behind.

So now the mode and tenor of race relations have changed because we descendants feel we have a right to know and right to claim our heritage. The only miscegenation blues I have is the failure to not have crossed over in a greater contrast in my own relationships. It is awkward to come out of my generation and know how to make opportunities to cross over to equally shy black or Asian girls. Mixing it up is the way to ultimate world peace and mixed race couples deserve to be honored, celebrated. Bounties should be offered worldwide to people willing to have golden bronze ebony mixed DNA, blessed children, or a fine for not crossing over to erase the insidious divide.

Then we can discuss mixed generation marriages.....

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cfluz7
Posted by: cfuz7 on Mar 24, 2008 8:10 PM   
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I'm a Californian too. I've had lovers of all "races" (this term has got to be soon obsolete!) and yep, there were sociological ramifications etc (this was mostly back in my younger days)however humans are humans. Race has nothing to do with a male humans ability or propensity for making up some love. I'm a "white" female and a hard wired hetero, the way it is. Back in the early '90's, a store manager (a pasty boring guy) kept up with racist comments. Couldn't take any more and confronted him. "Please don't go on about race anymore. My white son is dating an African American (actually her mother was from Holland), my daughter is involved with a Mexican American, my sister in law is Jewish, my brother in law is Japanese (like from Japan) and when my parents split they both married Italians, so knock it off!" He shut up.

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200 years ago....
Posted by: Landbaron on Mar 24, 2008 8:36 PM   
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he'd be boiled in oil. Now for a lot of women they won't go back, it's all for the sex. They like; "she got ass".

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Article needs to be re-titled
Posted by: debberamma on Mar 25, 2008 12:36 AM   
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Living in HK, there's a plethora of Causcasian and Asian relationships, so my interest was instantly piqued after reading the title, 'Why Interracial Love is Still Hard'.

The writers, however, spent 99% of the article addressing black and white relationships. Yes, there was mention of Sandra Oh in Grey's Anatomy, but did not go on to explain why Asian + Caucasian relationships are hard, and if it is at all.

I feel the article should be re-titled. This barely touches the surface of what the title promises. There are other races besides black and white in this world, people.

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Article needs to be re-titled
Posted by: debberamma on Mar 25, 2008 12:38 AM   
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Living in HK, there's a plethora of Causcasian and Asian relationships, so my interest was instantly piqued after reading the title, 'Why Interracial Love is Still Hard'.

The writers, however, spent 99% of the article addressing black and white relationships. Yes, there was mention of Sandra Oh in Grey's Anatomy, but did not go on to explain why Asian + Caucasian relationships are hard, and if it is at all.

I feel the article should be re-titled. This barely touches the surface of what the title promises. There are other races besides black and white in this world, people.

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Another 40 years and skin color will not matter
Posted by: billwald on Mar 25, 2008 9:19 AM   
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Skin color will not matter because the civilized nations are self - segregating into a leader class and a grunt class based in intelligence, education, and ambition. There is no longer a social reason for an intelligent ambitious person to mate with a loser.

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black women need to IR Date & Marry
Posted by: danitay on Mar 25, 2008 10:20 AM   
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LOVE, LOVE, THIS ARTICLE !!!
As a BW I say that it is way past time that
BW stop being used as the BM's diaper... The
number of out of wedlock pregnancies has been
super high since the 70s. Most BW need to
seriously consider other option besides BM!! It seems to me that some BW are expected to emotionally and fiancially support a household with little help from BM. I say ENOUGH of that. If BM's make poor life decisions..then THAT is on them. Why does it need to affect BW so much?
The way I see it, men of other races have more
to offer then Black men. If I observed more Black men 'stepping up to the plate' I may change my mind. I would relish the idea of young Black girls being exposed to WM/BW couples at an early age. If some BW DO NOT want to languish in poverty and fatherlessness for their offspring
they should seriously consider dating WM.
If more BW choose White men to date then
some BM might try to get their act together.
I'm just saying....

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