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Sex and Relationships

Why Men Should Be Included in Abortion Discussion

By Courtney E. Martin, AlterNet. Posted September 6, 2007.


Locking men out of conversations about abortion often comes at a great expense.
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When I was in high school, one of my friends got a secret abortion. Though I wasn't raised in a religious household, I remember taking a sheet of white, clean paper and writing a series of haphazard prayers that I then hid in my sock drawer.

One of them was for Cody,* my friend's bewildered boyfriend. She wanted nothing to do with him, though he was trying his 17-year-old-teenage-boy best to be supportive; she said it felt like Cody had done this to her. I understood, but I also knew that he must be -- as she was -- holding it together all day, crying alone at night, utterly confused. Though raised Catholic, he too thought an abortion was the right decision, but had no role in the ritual of that choice.

I think of Cody from time to time and wonder what he's doing now. I recently heard a rumor that he's gone on to study theology. I can't help but wonder if that decision was in some way informed by the conversation he was never able to have -- with her, with friends, with mentors, with his version of god -- about his experience of abortion.

After all, where is a pro-choice man who wants guidance, community or counseling around his experience of abortion to turn?

In the public sphere, the most vocal mention of men and abortion comes in virulently unsympathetic forms: government officials' ethically indefensible, not to mention totally impractical, attempt to chip away at Roe v. Wade with consent laws (see the recent Ohio bill), or pro-life propaganda dressed up as counseling for men. It is no surprise that our pathetic excuse for sex education in this country makes little mention of abortion and/or the ways in which men might be affected by it.

In the clinical sphere, already spread-too-thin therapists and medical staff pay little attention to men's involvement. Ninety-eight percent of clinic counselors are female, so a man hoping to discuss his feelings with a peer is largely out of luck.

In the most comprehensive study of men and abortion to date, Arthur Shostak, a professor of sociology at Drexel University, who describes himself as "unswervingly pro-choice," found that men's single greatest concern was the well-being of their sex partner and, further, that a majority of men would like to accompany their partners throughout the procedure. Most clinics don't allow men beyond the waiting room, something Shostak says is evidence that many think of men as "coat holders and drivers."

And in the private sphere, men struggle to reach out to one another about their experiences for a variety of reasons. A stigma against abortion overall remains (more oppressive in some geographies than others, of course), often keeping both women and their partners silent with even the closest of friends and family. In the same way that contemporary men are still groping for ways to be honest with one another about all things sexual -- abuse, orientation, dysfunction -- they just don't seem to have the language to talk about their abortion experiences.

Few young men have fathers or mentors who have authentically modeled opening up about the very common experience of unexpected pregnancy. Wisecracks and silence are still the norm, despite the fact that, according to the Guttmacher Institute, about half of American couples have experienced an unintended pregnancy, and at current rates, more than one-third (35 percent) of women will have had an abortion by age 45.

The pro-choice movement, and feminists in general, seem to have historically shied away from the difficult but imperative task of involving men in conversations about abortion. It is understandable that the movement has been weary; no hot-button issue brings out more manipulation than this one. But it is time that feminists' commitment to equality, as well as the quality of both women and men's lives, trumps their fear that acknowledging men's hardships will only serve as fodder for pro-life spin doctors. There must be a way to talk about men's perspectives and experiences without compromising women's bodies.

Men speak out

Jack*, a 28-year-old male, describes the abortion that his girlfriend went through a few years ago as "a really, really tough decision, but one that we made together, as partners." Though he looks back on the experience with some sadness, he also sees it as a pivotal moment in the development of his own identity as a man. "The experience really made me man up -- get out of debt, figure out a job, and get my shit together, generally," Jack reflects. "It made me realize that, A, I did want to have a kid someday and, B, that the woman I was with is who I wanted to have a kid with."

Jack looked to close friends for support -- one male, one female -- but felt somewhat abandoned while actually in the clinic waiting room: "I remember sitting there feeling terrified. I would have appreciated someone to talk to who had been through that moment."


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Courtney E. Martin is the author of Perfect Girls, Starving Daughters: The Frightening New Normalcy of Hating Your Body. You can read more about her work at www.courtneyemartin.com.

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godd and unusual article for alternet
Posted by: EasterBunny on Sep 6, 2007 12:58 AM   
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it treated men as thinking, feeling beings, who aren't devoting all their time to trying to come up with ways to keep women down. Maybe this article will start a trend.

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» Good the elegant voice of reason Posted by: ray burchard
» RE: Domestic political circus Posted by: ray burchard
Validities and levels
Posted by: talkville on Sep 6, 2007 1:06 AM   
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Here's the conundrum: "When I was in high school, one of my friends got a secret abortion."

If secret, then the male involved was not informed of the girlfriend's condition. It was a decision she arrived at autonomously, as is her right.

I agree wholeheartedly that the conversation about abortion must include males as well as females, friends, families all the way up to general discussions of articles such as this. It is highly important, however, not to conflate and confuse such a conversation in its concrete particularities and in more theoretical circumstances. In other words, the "abortion issue" ought not to be confused with a particular woman's existential decisions when encountering an unwanted pregnancy. As a citizen, she has the right to speak or not about the situation, even including whoever she had relations with that brought the pregnancy, as she has the right to decide on what to do about it.

The ISSUE of abortion can and should and is being discussed, conversed about, debated, yelled about, and more and has been not only in our own times but in other historical periods. The problem comes when OTHERS decide, force, oppress and legislate upon a woman in those particular circumstances. It's a matter of social discussion and conversation which, the more fully it is discussed the more fully it influences each one of us to consider it and thus arrive at each of our decisions about it. It might, perhaps, be called responsible civility and development towards a fuller and more just Polis. We must remember, though, that no citizen has the right to infringe on the liberty of another; and laws which alienate a portion of a citizen's body (for instance, the reproductive organs) and rule separately over this portion, in effect dis-member a citizen and thus have severe problems with justice. All the aforementioned assuming, of course, a republic which it must be granted is very difficult to discern these days.

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» RE: Validities and levels Posted by: DaBear
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» The flip side of liberty Posted by: YogiBear
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Hamish
Posted by: JDBishop5 on Sep 6, 2007 3:27 AM   
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Wonderful to see, another women making sense about the fact that men are also involved.

Thank you!

Slightly off subject, do women have an unlimited right to have an abortion if they have consensual sex with their husband? Does the father have any rights in the situation?

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» RE: Hamish Posted by: phindrup
difficulties
Posted by: Jim on Sep 6, 2007 4:21 AM   
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I see two difficulties of including men in the abortion discussion. First, already the majority of abortions in the US are perceived by the woman as being coerced. It is understandable that women want to avoid this coercion. Second, the male partner justly may think of himself as a father and feel he has more rights than the pregnant woman wants him to have. I don't think these overrule the author's points, but just need to be taken into consideration.

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» Excuse me? Posted by: J. Bo
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» RE: Give Men a VETO on the Abortion? Posted by: hellofriends
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» RE: difficulties Posted by: LindaB
This is remarkable
Posted by: Q30 on Sep 6, 2007 4:50 AM   
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I'd have to say that this is one of the few articles I've seen on alternet about abortion that didn't set-out to put-down men, demonize them or paint them them as irrelevant annoyances who pale in importance to "a woman's choice". As someone said before, hopefully this will be the start of a trend.

If you really think that most men are decent human beings, then you kind of wonder why there seems to be so much resistance to the idea 'round these parts.

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» Get Your Categories Straight Posted by: pdxstudent
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» Either/Or Posted by: pdxstudent
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Idealism is one thing, basic rights is another.
Posted by: Markson on Sep 6, 2007 5:20 AM   
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I agree that is ideal to include a man in such a decision. However, ultimately this is a basic human right and it is hers alone. If men were the pregnant ones, then it would be his call. Anything else is just political correctness. This just comes to down to basic sovereignty over one's self. Once anyone encroaches upon that, then it's over for all rights. Honestly, if you don't have exclusive claim to this most fundamental of rights, then what rights would you have?

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» Actually... Posted by: mjabele
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Good points, but.
Posted by: youngdem on Sep 6, 2007 6:26 AM   
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I think it is good for men (and boys) to discuss the ramifications of abortion in relationships. The thing is, it gets largely ignored, because however the male feels about abortion, he isn't making the decision, and he shouldn't have a say, because it's not his body, his reproductive choices end after sex and resume again after birth. The most he can do is decide he no longer wants to be involved with the woman after an abortion or pregnancy. In order to avoid that, there are doubtless many women who don't even tell the man, because they don't want to take the risk of losing their relationship. But many women do confide in their partners, and men then share the emotions associated with the difficult choice.

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» RE: Good points, but. Posted by: JDBishop5
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» RE: Good points, but. Posted by: Tombo
» RE: Good points, but. Posted by: cmaciain
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» Why Fuck Around? Posted by: pdxstudent
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» RE: Good points, but. Posted by: TassieDevil
Thsi article raises more questions than answers
Posted by: BobS on Sep 6, 2007 6:31 AM   
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In the pre-Roe v Wade days I helped people get abortions through my work at a big city free clinic. I'm a man and to me it was just part of providing a full spectrum of health services to the often scared confused young people who came to us.

I certainly supported the legalization of abortion, but I really didn't think deeply about the issue.

More recently, I became friends with some of the women who worked in Chicago's underground abortion group "Jane". When women came for their "Jane" abortions, they were sometimes accompanied by their male partners who would wait outside while the procedure was being done.

That got me to thinking more about the role of men in the whole process. What if a woman wanted her male partner to hold her hand while she undergoing the abortion? Would that be appropriate?

I certainly held my female partner's hand when she was giving birth. Would it have been so different if she wanted me to hold her hand while terminating a pregnancy?

What if the woman wanted her male partner to accompany her to the in-take screening or initial counseling? Would that be appropriate? Is that being done now?

Should there be a separate counseling for male partners who whose female partner is planning or has undergone abortion?

I do think men need to be more involved in the whole issue of reproductive freedom, but I'm a little short of answers as to how that should happen.

A woman should have the right to choose how much involvement her male partner should have. That's clear to me.

But that does not mean that men who are excluded should not have some place to go to work out their emotions...even if the woman never wants to see them again and their relationship is severed.

Thank you Courtney Martin for beginning a conversation we should began a long time ago.

Bob Simpson
The BobboSphere

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» Did you read the article? Posted by: mjabele
but selectively
Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming on Sep 6, 2007 6:35 AM   
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Ideally, the man involved in creating a pregnancy should have his feelings about terminating that pregnancy taken into account. However, it's too often men with no connection whatsoever to the couple involved who pontificate and think that they should be the ones to make those decisions, based on their beliefs. It always annoys me that the largest percentage--and the loudest and most violent--proponents of forced-birth are men.

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Yes, be with men too
Posted by: ggmurray on Sep 6, 2007 6:56 AM   
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I appreciate this constructive article, and hope it may stir some healing around this most difficult subject.

I agree that the decision to abort an unwanted pregnancy must ultimately be the woman's decision. It's her body after all. Do unto others...

Not including the man in the clinic experience is a missed opportunity. At the very least, some sensitive listening and counsel is in order. Abortions are life-changing experiences, and not just for the fetus.

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» Dear Vasumurti Posted by: clairededuras
THER'S MUCH MORE TO THIS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 6, 2007 7:08 AM   
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The discussion of male involvement in the abortion decision comes up ocasionally and usually doesn't last long. When a child is born, along with it comes a great deal of responsibility and expense. That is the real decision. Do you want to be a father, under the circumstances? Would you take and raise this child yourself if it became necessary? It's not just about abortion. It's about signing on for life as a mother or father. Nobody talks about this part of it. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: THER'S MUCH MORE TO THIS Posted by: ggmurray
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THER'S MUCH MORE TO THIS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 6, 2007 7:08 AM   
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The discussion of male involvement in the abortion decision comes up ocasionally and usually doesn't last long. When a child is born, along with it comes a great deal of responsibility and expense. That is the real decision. Do you want to be a father, under the circumstances? Would you take and raise this child yourself if it became necessary? It's not just about abortion. It's about signing on for life as a mother or father. Nobody talks about this part of it. Thanks, ANNA

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Interesting....
Posted by: cmaciain on Sep 6, 2007 7:22 AM   
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I found this line interesting...

Ninety-eight percent of clinic counselors are female, so a man hoping to discuss his feelings with a peer is largely out of luck.

And? So what? Growing up there were very few female doctors, mechanics, etc. Think anyone gave a damn when women said something about that?

The article itself is interesting and provokes conversation. I understand men may want to talk about the experience. Call a counselor. There are plenty who'll talk.

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» Massive hypocrisy, cmaciain Posted by: EasterBunny
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» RE: Interesting.... Posted by: hellofriends
women have the final word
Posted by: drblack on Sep 6, 2007 7:29 AM   
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A woman MUST have the final word in what to do with her body.
In order to have a free country the government cannot have any say in what people do with themselves.

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» I agree. Posted by: wheresarah
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» RE: I agree. Posted by: hellofriends
I haven't seen mentioned...
Posted by: wheresarah on Sep 6, 2007 7:31 AM   
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...the idea that perhaps the man and woman who are having a relationship would discuss this BEFORE it's actually an issue? Shouldn't you have the "talk" if you're actually in a relationship with a person you're sleeping with? How hard is it to say "if this happens, what will we do?"

I can understand that it's not an easy subject, but if you bring it up before it's an emergency decision, it just seems like you could take time to think about it more rationally, and be MUCH better prepared if the time comes to actually decide. Also you can find out if you are totally at odds with each other, and if so, it seems best you know this BEFORE it happens.

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I'm Impressed
Posted by: Axiom69 on Sep 6, 2007 7:43 AM   
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An intelligent, insightful and thought provoking article that didn't include all the usual rhetoric and at the same time showed a different perspective on such an emotional topic. I liked it. Two thumbs up.

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A broader analysis beyond the mainstream
Posted by: blackfeminista on Sep 6, 2007 7:43 AM   
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I appreciate this article, thanks to the author and Alternet.

But it reflects the problem in the mainstream movement, which remains predominantly white and middle class. Women of color-led movements for reproductive justice and abortion rights have ALWAYS included and insisted that men be a part of the dialogue. This doesn't negate a woman's individual choice or control over her own body, but puts that choice within the context of her whole life experience. This wholistic approach has only recently been adopted by the mainstream, and is still very slow to catch on.

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Pay to Play
Posted by: doodahman on Sep 6, 2007 8:50 AM   
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Women want exclusive right to decide whether to abort or not? Fair enough. It's their body, and if they want to assume dominion over the being created inside of them, there just ain't a lot society can or ought to do about it. Who wants a State with the authority to force somebody to be a parent? Not me.

Of course, having seized total sovereignty over not only their bodies but that of the being inside them, they seem to have little moral grounds to demand that the sperm donor, who has no sovereignty over either the woman or the being inside her, pay for the child.

You want to shred the kid? Go ahead. Shred away. You want to keep it? Fine. You pay to raise it.

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» Typical Posted by: pdxstudent
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Remembering how it once was
Posted by: Patrick Murfin on Sep 6, 2007 10:03 AM   
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It was about 1970 in Chicago. We’ll call her Ellen. She was a friend from college, tall and willowy with Italian Renaissance brown hair. She had a chorus part in an experimental rock cantata by night and waited table by day. She was not my girl friend. I wished she was. I was more than a little smitten. But we were “just friends.” We met for dinner about once a week and sometimes went out for a drink after her show on a Saturday night.

I came over to her place for dinner one night, bottle of German white wine in hand. She was crying. “I’m pregnant. I don’t know what to do.” I held her and comforted her. I didn’t ask who the father was. She didn’t volunteer. It was, after all, the lingering twilight of the 60’s.

I was on the staff of the old CHICAGO SEED, the local underground newspaper. I had connections. I knew people who knew people.

Those people were JANE, semi-secret collective of women who defied Illinois law and arranged safe abortions. In later years I got to know names and faces of some of them. They were true heroes in a desperate time.

I helped Ellen get in contact with JANE. They arranged for her to see a cooperating doctor. She had to go alone to the appointment, where she was given a chemical abortificant. I waited for her in her apartment.

The procedure was as safe as possible, but the cramping and pain from the induced miscarriage was serious in Ellen’s case. It lasted three days. I stayed with her the whole time. We were afraid to seek further medical help. Other women had been arrested in hospital emergency rooms.

In the end, the procedure was effective. Ellen recovered. She got on with her life. She went off the next summer on some high adventure and I never saw her again. I got on with my life.

Within a few years, Illinois revised its laws in response to Roe v. Wade and safe abortions in clinical settings became available. JANE dissolved. But I will always remember Ellen’s needless ordeal and will never knowingly allow another woman to suffer so.

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» RE: emembering how it once was Posted by: VZEQICVA
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What comes out of a gun is authority. Power comes out of a uterus.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Sep 6, 2007 10:12 AM   
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The article completely misses the point by talking about
emotions. The real point is Darwinian success [having a child] or
Darwinian failure [being childless], and female power. Of course
evolution translated success and failure into emotions. It had to.
The reality behind the emotions is still success or failure. The
article completely misses the point by talking about teenagers.
Talk about 20-somethings or 30-somethings or 40-somethings and
the female power play: Marry me or I will get an abortion; Buy
me that house you can't quite afford RIGHT NOW or I will get an
abortion.

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» Stupid female thinking Posted by: janvdb
Inclusion or exclussion?
Posted by: Dannyboy on Sep 6, 2007 10:52 AM   
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Women should have "first right of decision," period. Men are only involved if she says so. The fathers should be considered when the woman wants to have the child unless she wants nothing to do with him. However if she chooses to have the child without informing the father I would have to say she has no right to a financial claim. Seems like common sense.

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» What, You Mean Like... Posted by: pdxstudent
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» RE: Inclusion or exclussion? Posted by: EasterBunny
A worthy goal
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 6, 2007 11:16 AM   
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