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"You Like That Baby, You Like That?": Has Porn Made Men Bad at Sex?

Porn is entertainment, not a how-to manual. If men want to know what really turns women on, hetero porn is the last place they should look.
November 28, 2009  |  
 
 
 
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This story was originally posted on Nerve.com.

Though I didn't know it at the time, I was fantastically lucky to have had a childhood during which my mother and father never called my penis a "wee wee." Similarly, vaginas were never demeaned as "hoo-hoos," or breasts as "boobies." Sex organs, sex and sexuality were topics of discussion early and intentionally in my house, whether I liked it or not. And looking back, I think that directness served me well. Certainly, it was mortifying on a grand scale to hear from my dad, a bawdy, gregarious guy, that my life began in his testicles. But that humiliation felt worth it when I was the only boy at recess who could effectively call bullshit on the theory that a baby is made when a man pees onto a woman's crotch.

In the ensuing decades, I've remained a voracious pursuer of sexual enlightenment, partially out of curiosity and partially out of my desire to impress a couple of girlfriends who were much more carnally knowledgeable than I. I'm no Lothario by any means, but I'm now smart enough to laugh at the absurdity of lad-mag articles recommending you slather your partner in baby oil in order to be "the best lover she's ever had." (Maybe if she's an unpolished end table, fellas.)

I also know not to take lessons on love — and the making of it — from porno. It should go without saying that films called Edward Penishands and Crack Whores of the Tenderloin serve purposes other than instruction, much like a sledgehammer isn't for setting nails. Yet twice in the past few months I've come across arguments to the contrary. Amid the pages of the September issue of Details was the article "How Internet Porn Is Changing Teen Sex," in which writer Eric Spitznagel quoted a young man barely able to drink legally as saying, "Pubic hair is disgusting. Girls should keep their vaginas porn-star trim." Elsewhere,in a recent column on Salon.com, Mary Elizabeth Williams detailed the obnoxious, belittling effect pornography has had on her sex life: "'You like that, baby? You like that?' he asked, though he didn't notice I wasn't answering. And then, somewhere around the 18th time he said it, it hit me — I wasn't just having bad sex. I was having bad porn sex."

Blame it on the ease with which any plugged-in American can access porn of all types, from amateur to violent to bestial. Across the country, sexually active straight men of all ages are taking bedroom cues from skin flicks, getting wrongheaded ideas about how women's bodies should look and bad information about what's sexy. Subsequently, they're pissing off — and, according to Williams, smacking their erections on — their lovers.

That all being said, you might assume women don't like porn. You'd be wrong. According to a 2007 Nielsen survey, a third of people visiting XXX websites were female, with almost thirteen million women admitting to looking at Internet porn at least once a month. And physiologically, men and women differ little in their response to pornographic images. One 2006 McGill University study found that females shown porn clips reached maximum arousal just one minute after their male counterparts, while both genders began displaying signs of arousal within thirty seconds of exposure. Dick-smacking aside, there's definitely something women appreciate about porno, so there must be something men looking to please those women can learn from. The question is, what?


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Just A Guy
Posted by: Yehudi61 on Nov 28, 2009 1:11 AM   
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I don't know about anyone else, but shed all of the nonsense and just be yourself. Those folks in the business are doing it like animals... Us human beings are more than that. Just take your time and enjoy the time us humans have together. Dig the time and the moment that we can share. Forget the animals, although that is a small part of it, pay attention and make it like is supposed to be. Feel it, live it, let it happen. Life is good.

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Porno takes a piss all over dignity
Posted by: weathered on Nov 28, 2009 3:18 AM   
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Whether its stimulating, abusive, clinically measured/assessed - ultimately it doesn't matter, Its selfish and has absolutely nothing to do w/intimacy.

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» It's about busting a nut... Posted by: rafaeltoral
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Porno no guide to Love
Posted by: Haji54 on Nov 28, 2009 5:07 AM   
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Porno is a business,I doubt if the participants are enjoying themselves that much.some of them may be part of a sex slavery syndicate.For many economically depressed people, like exotic dancing it is a way to pay some bills or pay for college.Some are probably drug addicted.It could be considered a small portal,or window to Hell.It could be a means to an end.It is certainly no guide to true Love, as we cannot endlessly copulate and have oral sex.Pornography could ruin sex life and romance, and it's fevered attention to hedonistic pleasure is overkill like hitting a small nail with a sledgehammer.We shouldn't have to try so hard to be loving, and it's not a contest but a cooperation.More is not necessarily better.

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at best, porn is misleading
Posted by: secondbanana on Nov 28, 2009 5:14 AM   
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REAL women don't look like that and don't dress like that while having sex and don't really like sucking on a dildo, you know? Breasts, biologically, are for feeding offspring, so naturally, they "sag" a little outwardly to feed said offspring, they AREN'T round globes that point upward. I remember being told by my "baby daddy" that my natural breasts wsere "wrong"...all because of porn. If a man can separate porn from the real world and real women, that's great, but when a guy prefers watching porn and pleasuring himself instead of actually interacting and trying to please a real women who enjoys sex, he's got the WRONG idea.

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Generally
Posted by: eklawson on Nov 28, 2009 5:22 AM   
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Generally it has been my experience that the size of a man's porn habit is inversely proportional to his skill as a lover, yes.

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If we (particulaly Amerikans) didn't have an externally imposed
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 28, 2009 6:05 AM   
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...collection of neuroses, proximately caused by the X-chin church, and a socially-engineered cultural history of Victorian-esque sexual repression...

"Porn" would be totally unnesessary...and would probably be only a minor niche business today.

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Lux Alptraum is on the right track
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Nov 28, 2009 6:24 AM   
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But even if the question posed in the headline is answered in the affirmative, it's a tangential irrelevancy of little import, an acceptable minor side effect.

Partly because men's attraction to porn is not based on some desire to be better lovers. But also because, contrary to some residual men's fear, women do not weigh one man against another and choose the most virile or "best" (most proficient) lover. Women just don't tend to think in such male terms, so a guy trying to base his appeal on his expertise in this area is likely to be barking up the wrong tree. In fact, part of the appeal of porn is that the women in it are often quite different from actual women in this regard.

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» This seems thoughtful... Posted by: maddy
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Well...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 28, 2009 6:43 AM   
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"When dealing with women in any scenario, but especially ones in which you're having sex with them, it's also important to remember that they're probably smarter than you. "

At least you could hold off on the open, inexcusable sexism until the second page.

Try reversing the gender roles in this paragraph, author... then NEVER say anything as unbelievably sexist as this again in your life.

And Alternet... enough with the anti-porn articles already. Most of your readers do not agree with your anti-porn bias.

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What does one expect...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 28, 2009 6:46 AM   
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... in a culture where we are taught from birth to depend on "experts"... anyone but ourselves to determine how we should act, what we should like, and who and what we should be?

And what is it this culture tells us to be? Consumers, of course. Its not that open about it... but that is the message.

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First time I saw explicit porn, I was really appalled
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 28, 2009 7:08 AM   
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Not for any reason of prudery, but because by then, I knew damned well that it was completely fake - and I had actually been hoping to pick up a pointer or two. I doubt seriously that anyone who "screws like a porn star" gets much repeat business.

Even leaving romance entirely out of the picture, even if it is strictly a one night stand kind of encounter, simply getting naked and ramming it in and out for a minute or so, just ain't gonna cut it. It has also been my experience that if the first time is lousy for her there ain't likely to be a second time, in the vast majority of cases.

Also, in a majority of cases, if you start grabbing a lot in the beginning, you'll put her on the defensive and get nowhere fast.

Porn has it's uses, however. If you are "good to go" more than once a night, it is a good idea (when on a first date) to watch it before the date and masturbate, so as not to be too pushy and quick on the trigger - unless you are with the unusual woman who wants exactly that.

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"I wish to say that free porn is destroying the industry'
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 28, 2009 7:35 AM   
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I wish to say that free porn is destroying the industry' So please go to you porn and red tube and quit paying for it. Make your own movies it's more real than these fake Cd's and you can say to your own house please let me not hate it.
You fuckers that think your wise you never seen anything like me.
You people that love keep loving' You that sell it go "To the hell your from'
To harm a beast you cut of it's head.
There is nothing wrong with a man and a woman loving' Just look at what Christ said.
That's right there is nothing you can say about this because most of it is lies' Lust is for sale and sex is free' you ignorant Christians and foolish satanic men that practice celibacy your all liars and your end is with the nothing you are.
Christ loved women and men not for sex but for the love he gave as a sacrifice for being born of a god.

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Love & Lust
Posted by: dumdumboy on Nov 28, 2009 8:26 AM   
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Love and lust are two separate words, with entirely different meanings. The author makes the simple mistake of comparing the two. I mean, when is the last time you saw any "couple" kissing, much less spend any time snuggling, in a porn flic?

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Porn comes(yes, it's a pun) in all forms such as
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Nov 28, 2009 8:55 AM   
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alternet is porn when it comes to REAL life.
Govt statements are porn.
fox noise is PORN.
The fundies ways are porn.
Veggies are porn.

A definition of "porn" is obscene literature.
How perfectly fitting for much of the garbage the above tries to pawn off on us as legitimate.

I'm a straight, single, real life guy who has worn down the sidewalk due to being around the block so many times.

I sometimes watch porn.
One major thing about porn which I really enjoy either alone or with friends of both genders is how comical most of it is.
Those people who I choose to have as friends are mature, intelligent, self confident, independent people.
We are able to laugh FIRSTLY at ourselves and at life in general.
Due to those truths,, we also do laugh at whatever porn we may watch.

Besides all that, I am a guy whose attitudes toward sex are NEVER determined by watching porn.
Nothing about it is sufficiently legitimate to lead me to believe that anything in my REAL sex life would be like that.

This is just another in the long long list of trashy articles by alterflakynet to draw attention to their advertisers.
It is typical garbage qand has NOTHING to do with real life.
Those who actually ARE influenced by porn are not the sorts of people whom my friends and I seek to be around.

My/our typical response to the vast majority of articles here is:

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Sexxx, my favorite subject
Posted by: linecrosser on Nov 28, 2009 9:22 AM   
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I was raised in a family that was completely opposite of the author. Never did sex come up in conversation, and any questions were answered with the dumbing numbing answer "later". My older brother and I have both discussed our childhood several times and neither of us can remember mom and dad ever holding hands, hugging, or kissing. Neither of us can remember being hugged or kissed. Once my dad was away on business for almost a month, when he came back we shook hands, I was ten. The next time was my 14 birthday party and for some reason my dad licked some icing off my finger, it was like an electric shock had passed thru my body. I knew that when if ever I had children that I would raise them much like this author described. Having said all this, it may or may not come as a surprise to anyone that I discovered masturbation at the early age of four. It became obvious that the other children in the hood were being raised in a similarly ignorant atmosphere, and we were sharing our new found pleasures without an understanding or moral guidelines. We were all about the same age and oh so young, so young that I didn't think the little girl around the corner could be named June, because that named belonged to a month. I'd never meet a April, or May. Before I'd ever seen any real porn or nudity, there were the Sears, and JC Penny catalogues with their bra and underwear sections. As you've probably already realized I'm addicted to masturbation and porn. I first read this article at six in the morning, but since I'd been participating in my nightly ritual of watching porn all night, I was in no shape to comment ,even on my favorite subject and pastime. The author and many of the comments make generalized statements that are generally true and at the same time generally wrong. That's the way sex is, there are no norms, when the subject is sex. There are no norms when the subject is love. After finding out that the act of sex created babies, the ideal of having sex with a girl became frightening, I wasn't ready to become a daddy. Also the girls had been taught also and they weren't as willing either. They did start using just the posibillity of sex to manipulate the boys into getting what they wanted, often the boys would revert to the pure animalistic behavior of beating each other up to prove their manhood, Darwin's survival of the fittest.

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It was very hard
Posted by: john2007 on Nov 28, 2009 10:05 AM   
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It was very hard to follow this article. In fact, I didn't finish reading it. I wasn't offended by it, I just couldn't stay interested. Maybe AlterNet could have a separate folder for this type of creative writing so old grandpas like me could avoid it and not have to feel stupid. Sorry.

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Sexxx, my favorite subject pt2
Posted by: linecrosser on Nov 28, 2009 10:20 AM   
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One of the first things I learned about real sex with real women is that men don't last long enough, almost always leaving the woman unsatisfied. I think it's a show business saying "That you always leave them wanting more" this might be true in show business, but it's not true in a relationship. Satisfaction is what will make they want more. I taught myself to delay orgasm indefinitely. My satisfaction isn't based on me achieving orgasm, but rather my partner achieving hers, and because they can, have as many as they can. This philosophy lead to my divorce. My ex felt like a failure, or that she wasn't good enough to satisfy me. So instead of sex being an uplifting experience, it became something to avoid all together. Of course this realization came after the divorce. I've always found great comfort in masturbation, as no matter how bad things were I could always escape into a world where there wasn't any crime, pollution, corruption, war, borders, prejudices, etc. For four minutes or thirteen hours (my personal best) the world didn't exist. To those who say porn isn't educational, I disagree, no surprise. The(3) women I've been with since my divorce have all been extremely satisfied and still call me. I warn them in advance that I may not finish and that it is no indication of the pleasure I'm receiving. The relationships have always started as friends, since I don't endlessly pursue women for sex. After long conversations about anything, sex will eventually come up. There is great excitement, but not like that of a teenager, more like the relationship is headed to a new level. One that isn't rushed, one where trust, patience and openness are the rewards. I have a crippling level of empathy for all. I cry when I see anyone in any type of pain, and I cry when I see anyone celebrated, Susan Boyle comes to mind. This is also the way I watch porn. I don't think, vicariously, "wow that's my cock slamming that woman" I view from the females point of view. Now this in no way is a signal of some repressed homosexual urge. Todays porn is more of a display of aerobics and extremes, that it can be intimidating to those how discount the mental aspect that consenting sex offers to it participants. If watching porn scares you, first you have to remember these are professional and they are pros. You have to ask yourself, does watching any professional sport keep you from shooting hoops or throwing a baseball or football around for just the fun of it. Sorry I could go on for days, Let me end with this, include your brain and your partners brain in your next encounter and it will be better than ever.

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I don't need you.
Posted by: Jackrabbit on Nov 28, 2009 10:30 AM   
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My whole adult life I have been told over and over again by articles like this one that hetero guys can't fuck and that het girls don't like sex. There are an encyclopedia's worth of articles like this one out there which serve the single purpose of making guys feel even more inadequate then they already feel. Oh. Really? There is more to sex than porno? I had no idea!

Seriously, if a guy wants to be a good lover he will be. It takes a combination of sensitivity, chemistry, communication, and aggressiveness that a man will work at with his lover/s or he won't. Porn may or may not help, but it is so inconsequential when juxtaposed with the multivariate elements required to be successful in bed. And inconsequential is exactly what this article is. Can we please put a moratorium on moronic articles like this that tout the authors sexual acumen at the expense of the rest of us know-nothing joes? Snore.

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Well duh!
Posted by: peter g on Nov 28, 2009 10:41 AM   
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Masturbate to learn how to control yourself.
Ask a prostitute about everything else.
Done.
peter g

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Same-Gender Porn is the Last Thing Most Men Will Watch
Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Nov 28, 2009 2:16 PM   
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Interesting sub-headline: "If men want to know what really turns women on, hetero porn is the last place they should look."

What does the author of the article expect? Same-gender porn is the LAST thing that most heterosexual men will watch. They sure as hall won't watch gay-male porn, but they're just as unlikely to watch lesbian porn, either -- their homophobia is THAT strong.

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Porn is wrong it destoys EVERYTHING in its path
Posted by: Chosen on Nov 28, 2009 6:37 PM   
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I would say that you are wrong if you masterbate then you are ruining a good love with someone special have you ever seen the movie fireproof and what happens when he does look at porn it destroys everything in its path. If you have not seen that movie then you should you will learn something. I am married and my husband is richard sievert you all that are addicted to porn need help before you end up alone and in hell that is where you will all go i would do something about it quick the movie that i mentioned is a life saver to me yea my husband and i had problems and thanks to my husbands ex wife we got that movie and it saved us so please go and see it and you will be thanking me later for it. Please get help for your addiction of sin

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» Porn is right for me. Posted by: NickJones
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Free porn destroys the fact you have to pay " Imploding in it's own black whole'
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 28, 2009 7:14 PM   
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Only by making it free will it go away. It is the insensitive unfeeling act of making money with sex'
Now we have large numbers of women that have to compete with this Barbi doll syndrome and the ken doll ball star also, You have watched porn there's one thing there goal is to do and that is to come.
If we can get large quantities of people to stop going because of the free alternative then less will go buy them in the market. Sex is and Industry it's the most lucrative diverse and flexible one's there is. Only by letting people serve themselves' Will it ever once again be a sacred thing that two people do in the privacy of there home. That's the way It was intended to be.
"To Be free all along'

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article ok, blurb poor
Posted by: whealeydj on Nov 28, 2009 7:54 PM   
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the sneer at hetero raised my hackles; is your blurb writer an an angry gay liberationist with heterophobia?

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Sex articles always garner discussion
Posted by: Bakari on Nov 28, 2009 10:04 PM   
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I'm willing to bet that the only reason articles like these are posted on non-erotic websites or magazines is to get reader response. And it typically works. Nothing wrong with that. We need as much discussion in this country about sex as we do about religion, because generalizations about the subject are more prevalent than facts based on real research. As we can see from the discussion thread, the author’s own views and biases only represent one view on the subject. There are many others.

Personally, while I understand that porn is just as much exploited and sexist as other forms of popular culture (mainly because it’s a business in a capitalist society, which destroys everything!) I think people can have a healthy view of porn and use constructively. What makes it difficult for most us porn watchers is that it’s not socially acceptable, though it’s a multi-billion industry. Plus, most of the world just wants to keep sex and porn in the bedroom, but attack it publicly. It’s all so hypocritical.

Personally, I like amateur porn in which men and women seem to be enjoying themselves. They’re not making a video to get rich, but they want to share their passion. Some of the most popular sites on the net now days are ones that include amateur porn. And yes, it’s also being exploited. But that doesn’t mean it can be enjoyed like watching anything else in the media.

And I don’t think I objectify my wife just because I watch porn. I try to be as caring and affectionate in our love making as I possibly can. I don’t view her as some porn actress, because she’s obviously not. But we both know that I have a stronger sex drive than she does, and so I use porn for sexual self-release. In other words, I masturbate to it. And quite frankly, I get tired about feeling guilty about it. I think it’s a shame in this late date in human history that women publicly exposing their breasts is against the law in many states. It’s even more a shame that so much about sex is taboo.

So as for how and why men treat women a certain way is far more complex than what this article attempts to share. It doesn’t even scratch the service. And I also don’t think men should always be blamed when it comes to problems inherent to heterosexual relations. Heterosexual men and woman are hard wired differently by nature, and we need to respect that. Plus, our understanding of sex is still evolving. We’re still almost like kids when it comes to sex. We can barely talk about it openly. We’re often made to feel ashamed about it, and most of us never get enough it.

But anyway, I’ve said. At least this article has provoked much needed discussion.

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Invite some ethnographic articles/studies
Posted by: Bakari on Nov 28, 2009 10:19 PM   
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Alternet, instead of more and more of these anti-porn articles, why not invite ethnographic-centered articles based real interviews with real people, who really enjoy having sex. The articles wouldn’t be couched in advice, but would be based on the real experiences of men and women, gays and lesbians.

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At least Alternet has priorities...
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 29, 2009 3:48 PM   
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...Climate-gate may have shown once and for all that Al Gore, Ted Turner and the GOLF-DELTA "Climateers' are full of Poo-poo (hope that didn't ruin some child's march toward adulthood in progressive America.)...Two wars may be raging and a third and forth threatening...we may be in a depression and millions jobless and losing homes...but, at least Alternet has its eye on the "penis" and ear to the "vagina" so as not to let its habitues miss any vital information regarding the pudenda of America.

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'Cord Jefferson' of nerve.butt?
Posted by: logansafi on Nov 29, 2009 5:49 PM   
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Alternet is really dredging up some real dickhead here from a dickhead website/mag! It actually makes one long for some Hustler stlyle schlock instead of this new Age faux feminist faux liberal drivel.

o', whip us, Alternet! Whip us hard! Make us want to cum. NOT!

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Perspective of a teenage girl
Posted by: Rebelmom on Nov 29, 2009 10:59 PM   
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Yep, I have a 15 year old daughter. I think most of you are missing the point and assume the author is writing about you. WRONG, she is bringing to light how the consumption of porn is a reality in our lives and it IS changing the way our sexual attitudes and behaviors will be for years to come.

Young people are especially messed up from what my daughter tells me. She has been raised overly-informed about sex and as a result she's very open with me: I've heard way too many lame stories about disrespectful boys, girls who are disrespectful of themselves(and other girls regarding sexual exploits) and the overall mechanical attitude about girl's and boy's(aka men's and women's)sexuality. It's the kids who aren't spoken to, who do what you MEN are talking about doing(porn addiction) that will change the sexual and social mores of the future generations. Just listen to any pop song, it's all about sexual gratification, objectifying women and men, group sex, bitches, and just today I heard snoop dogg basically giving a play by play of his latest sexual conquest.

Tell me this isn't different than when we were growing up? Just think about it. Pretend your 13 and going to Jr. high tomorrow morning. What's permeating the brains of the kids around you? Hmmmm not much room for love and kindness unless you're "shaved like a pornstar". Believe me, this is NO exaggeration. I actually feel bad for America's youth right now. It's intense to be a kid in this world.

Leave Alternet alone and don't read any articles about sex here if you don't like what they say. :-P

Keep up the great work alternet. I want more articles like this. I actually check in to see what you have under "sex and relationships" regualarly.
btw. I watch porn and I like it because it's not real, but we women like sex just as much as men! Derrr....

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This wonderful woman
Posted by: parça kontör on Nov 30, 2009 5:26 PM   
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parça kontör parça kontor

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How to use this ?
Posted by: bukoo on Dec 3, 2009 6:47 PM   
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That's not related to my sex experience,just ridiculous。
Rip Blu ray ,Blu ray Ripper for mac

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This is such a cliche for women's passivity during sex
Posted by: jparsons on Dec 4, 2009 11:20 PM   
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"'You like that, baby? You like that?' he asked, though he didn't notice I wasn't answering."

OK, so it wasn't a brilliant question, but he did at least ask!
If you refuse to answer and wait for him to "notice", at least try not to
blame him for the bad sex, publicly, under your full name, for money.
He's an aroused man, not a mind reader.

And it may be true that too many
men know only about porn sex, but how will that improve
while too many women only believe in romantic sex
(where a truly sensitive man will instinctively
know exactly what you like without any discussion)?
That it's better to suffer, smirk, or yawn in silence than speak your
mind?

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So stop acting like prudes, already!
Posted by: LightningJoe on Dec 7, 2009 11:16 PM   
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There was recently a study proposal, to sort out lovemaking skills or some such, in reference to men who either had, or had not, viewed pornography.

This doubtless well-meaning study had to be canceled before it even started.

They couldn't find any men who hadn't viewed porn.

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ed hardy
Posted by: mxcm428 on Dec 22, 2009 4:51 PM   
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Just A Guy
Posted by: Yehudi61 on Nov 28, 2009 1:11 AM   
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I don't know about anyone else, but shed all of the nonsense and just be yourself. Those folks in the business are doing it like animals... Us human beings are more than that. Just take your time and enjoy the time us humans have together. Dig the time and the moment that we can share. Forget the animals, although that is a small part of it, pay attention and make it like is supposed to be. Feel it, live it, let it happen. Life is good.

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Porno takes a piss all over dignity
Posted by: weathered on Nov 28, 2009 3:18 AM   
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Whether its stimulating, abusive, clinically measured/assessed - ultimately it doesn't matter, Its selfish and has absolutely nothing to do w/intimacy.

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Porno no guide to Love
Posted by: Haji54 on Nov 28, 2009 5:07 AM   
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Porno is a business,I doubt if the participants are enjoying themselves that much.some of them may be part of a sex slavery syndicate.For many economically depressed people, like exotic dancing it is a way to pay some bills or pay for college.Some are probably drug addicted.It could be considered a small portal,or window to Hell.It could be a means to an end.It is certainly no guide to true Love, as we cannot endlessly copulate and have oral sex.Pornography could ruin sex life and romance, and it's fevered attention to hedonistic pleasure is overkill like hitting a small nail with a sledgehammer.We shouldn't have to try so hard to be loving, and it's not a contest but a cooperation.More is not necessarily better.

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at best, porn is misleading
Posted by: secondbanana on Nov 28, 2009 5:14 AM   
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REAL women don't look like that and don't dress like that while having sex and don't really like sucking on a dildo, you know? Breasts, biologically, are for feeding offspring, so naturally, they "sag" a little outwardly to feed said offspring, they AREN'T round globes that point upward. I remember being told by my "baby daddy" that my natural breasts wsere "wrong"...all because of porn. If a man can separate porn from the real world and real women, that's great, but when a guy prefers watching porn and pleasuring himself instead of actually interacting and trying to please a real women who enjoys sex, he's got the WRONG idea.

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Generally
Posted by: eklawson on Nov 28, 2009 5:22 AM   
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Generally it has been my experience that the size of a man's porn habit is inversely proportional to his skill as a lover, yes.

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If we (particulaly Amerikans) didn't have an externally imposed
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 28, 2009 6:05 AM   
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...collection of neuroses, proximately caused by the X-chin church, and a socially-engineered cultural history of Victorian-esque sexual repression...

"Porn" would be totally unnesessary...and would probably be only a minor niche business today.

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Lux Alptraum is on the right track
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Nov 28, 2009 6:24 AM   
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But even if the question posed in the headline is answered in the affirmative, it's a tangential irrelevancy of little import, an acceptable minor side effect.

Partly because men's attraction to porn is not based on some desire to be better lovers. But also because, contrary to some residual men's fear, women do not weigh one man against another and choose the most virile or "best" (most proficient) lover. Women just don't tend to think in such male terms, so a guy trying to base his appeal on his expertise in this area is likely to be barking up the wrong tree. In fact, part of the appeal of porn is that the women in it are often quite different from actual women in this regard.

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Well...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 28, 2009 6:43 AM   
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"When dealing with women in any scenario, but especially ones in which you're having sex with them, it's also important to remember that they're probably smarter than you. "

At least you could hold off on the open, inexcusable sexism until the second page.

Try reversing the gender roles in this paragraph, author... then NEVER say anything as unbelievably sexist as this again in your life.

And Alternet... enough with the anti-porn articles already. Most of your readers do not agree with your anti-porn bias.

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What does one expect...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 28, 2009 6:46 AM   
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... in a culture where we are taught from birth to depend on "experts"... anyone but ourselves to determine how we should act, what we should like, and who and what we should be?

And what is it this culture tells us to be? Consumers, of course. Its not that open about it... but that is the message.

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First time I saw explicit porn, I was really appalled
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 28, 2009 7:08 AM   
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Not for any reason of prudery, but because by then, I knew damned well that it was completely fake - and I had actually been hoping to pick up a pointer or two. I doubt seriously that anyone who "screws like a porn star" gets much repeat business.

Even leaving romance entirely out of the picture, even if it is strictly a one night stand kind of encounter, simply getting naked and ramming it in and out for a minute or so, just ain't gonna cut it. It has also been my experience that if the first time is lousy for her there ain't likely to be a second time, in the vast majority of cases.

Also, in a majority of cases, if you start grabbing a lot in the beginning, you'll put her on the defensive and get nowhere fast.

Porn has it's uses, however. If you are "good to go" more than once a night, it is a good idea (when on a first date) to watch it before the date and masturbate, so as not to be too pushy and quick on the trigger - unless you are with the unusual woman who wants exactly that.

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"I wish to say that free porn is destroying the industry'
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 28, 2009 7:35 AM   
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I wish to say that free porn is destroying the industry' So please go to you porn and red tube and quit paying for it. Make your own movies it's more real than these fake Cd's and you can say to your own house please let me not hate it.
You fuckers that think your wise you never seen anything like me.
You people that love keep loving' You that sell it go "To the hell your from'
To harm a beast you cut of it's head.
There is nothing wrong with a man and a woman loving' Just look at what Christ said.
That's right there is nothing you can say about this because most of it is lies' Lust is for sale and sex is free' you ignorant Christians and foolish satanic men that practice celibacy your all liars and your end is with the nothing you are.
Christ loved women and men not for sex but for the love he gave as a sacrifice for being born of a god.

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Love & Lust
Posted by: dumdumboy on Nov 28, 2009 8:26 AM   
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Love and lust are two separate words, with entirely different meanings. The author makes the simple mistake of comparing the two. I mean, when is the last time you saw any "couple" kissing, much less spend any time snuggling, in a porn flic?

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Porn comes(yes, it's a pun) in all forms such as
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Nov 28, 2009 8:55 AM   
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alternet is porn when it comes to REAL life.
Govt statements are porn.
fox noise is PORN.
The fundies ways are porn.
Veggies are porn.

A definition of "porn" is obscene literature.
How perfectly fitting for much of the garbage the above tries to pawn off on us as legitimate.

I'm a straight, single, real life guy who has worn down the sidewalk due to being around the block so many times.

I sometimes watch porn.
One major thing about porn which I really enjoy either alone or with friends of both genders is how comical most of it is.
Those people who I choose to have as friends are mature, intelligent, self confident, independent people.
We are able to laugh FIRSTLY at ourselves and at life in general.
Due to those truths,, we also do laugh at whatever porn we may watch.

Besides all that, I am a guy whose attitudes toward sex are NEVER determined by watching porn.
Nothing about it is sufficiently legitimate to lead me to believe that anything in my REAL sex life would be like that.

This is just another in the long long list of trashy articles by alterflakynet to draw attention to their advertisers.
It is typical garbage qand has NOTHING to do with real life.
Those who actually ARE influenced by porn are not the sorts of people whom my friends and I seek to be around.

My/our typical response to the vast majority of articles here is:

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Sexxx, my favorite subject
Posted by: linecrosser on Nov 28, 2009 9:22 AM   
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I was raised in a family that was completely opposite of the author. Never did sex come up in conversation, and any questions were answered with the dumbing numbing answer "later". My older brother and I have both discussed our childhood several times and neither of us can remember mom and dad ever holding hands, hugging, or kissing. Neither of us can remember being hugged or kissed. Once my dad was away on business for almost a month, when he came back we shook hands, I was ten. The next time was my 14 birthday party and for some reason my dad licked some icing off my finger, it was like an electric shock had passed thru my body. I knew that when if ever I had children that I would raise them much like this author described. Having said all this, it may or may not come as a surprise to anyone that I discovered masturbation at the early age of four. It became obvious that the other children in the hood were being raised in a similarly ignorant atmosphere, and we were sharing our new found pleasures without an understanding or moral guidelines. We were all about the same age and oh so young, so young that I didn't think the little girl around the corner could be named June, because that named belonged to a month. I'd never meet a April, or May. Before I'd ever seen any real porn or nudity, there were the Sears, and JC Penny catalogues with their bra and underwear sections. As you've probably already realized I'm addicted to masturbation and porn. I first read this article at six in the morning, but since I'd been participating in my nightly ritual of watching porn all night, I was in no shape to comment ,even on my favorite subject and pastime. The author and many of the comments make generalized statements that are generally true and at the same time generally wrong. That's the way sex is, there are no norms, when the subject is sex. There are no norms when the subject is love. After finding out that the act of sex created babies, the ideal of having sex with a girl became frightening, I wasn't ready to become a daddy. Also the girls had been taught also and they weren't as willing either. They did start using just the posibillity of sex to manipulate the boys into getting what they wanted, often the boys would revert to the pure animalistic behavior of beating each other up to prove their manhood, Darwin's survival of the fittest.

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It was very hard
Posted by: john2007 on Nov 28, 2009 10:05 AM   
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It was very hard to follow this article. In fact, I didn't finish reading it. I wasn't offended by it, I just couldn't stay interested. Maybe AlterNet could have a separate folder for this type of creative writing so old grandpas like me could avoid it and not have to feel stupid. Sorry.

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Sexxx, my favorite subject pt2
Posted by: linecrosser on Nov 28, 2009 10:20 AM   
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One of the first things I learned about real sex with real women is that men don't last long enough, almost always leaving the woman unsatisfied. I think it's a show business saying "That you always leave them wanting more" this might be true in show business, but it's not true in a relationship. Satisfaction is what will make they want more. I taught myself to delay orgasm indefinitely. My satisfaction isn't based on me achieving orgasm, but rather my partner achieving hers, and because they can, have as many as they can. This philosophy lead to my divorce. My ex felt like a failure, or that she wasn't good enough to satisfy me. So instead of sex being an uplifting experience, it became something to avoid all together. Of course this realization came after the divorce. I've always found great comfort in masturbation, as no matter how bad things were I could always escape into a world where there wasn't any crime, pollution, corruption, war, borders, prejudices, etc. For four minutes or thirteen hours (my personal best) the world didn't exist. To those who say porn isn't educational, I disagree, no surprise. The(3) women I've been with since my divorce have all been extremely satisfied and still call me. I warn them in advance that I may not finish and that it is no indication of the pleasure I'm receiving. The relationships have always started as friends, since I don't endlessly pursue women for sex. After long conversations about anything, sex will eventually come up. There is great excitement, but not like that of a teenager, more like the relationship is headed to a new level. One that isn't rushed, one where trust, patience and openness are the rewards. I have a crippling level of empathy for all. I cry when I see anyone in any type of pain, and I cry when I see anyone celebrated, Susan Boyle comes to mind. This is also the way I watch porn. I don't think, vicariously, "wow that's my cock slamming that woman" I view from the females point of view. Now this in no way is a signal of some repressed homosexual urge. Todays porn is more of a display of aerobics and extremes, that it can be intimidating to those how discount the mental aspect that consenting sex offers to it participants. If watching porn scares you, first you have to remember these are professional and they are pros. You have to ask yourself, does watching any professional sport keep you from shooting hoops or throwing a baseball or football around for just the fun of it. Sorry I could go on for days, Let me end with this, include your brain and your partners brain in your next encounter and it will be better than ever.

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I don't need you.
Posted by: Jackrabbit on Nov 28, 2009 10:30 AM   
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My whole adult life I have been told over and over again by articles like this one that hetero guys can't fuck and that het girls don't like sex. There are an encyclopedia's worth of articles like this one out there which serve the single purpose of making guys feel even more inadequate then they already feel. Oh. Really? There is more to sex than porno? I had no idea!

Seriously, if a guy wants to be a good lover he will be. It takes a combination of sensitivity, chemistry, communication, and aggressiveness that a man will work at with his lover/s or he won't. Porn may or may not help, but it is so inconsequential when juxtaposed with the multivariate elements required to be successful in bed. And inconsequential is exactly what this article is. Can we please put a moratorium on moronic articles like this that tout the authors sexual acumen at the expense of the rest of us know-nothing joes? Snore.

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Well duh!
Posted by: peter g on Nov 28, 2009 10:41 AM   
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Masturbate to learn how to control yourself.
Ask a prostitute about everything else.
Done.
peter g

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Same-Gender Porn is the Last Thing Most Men Will Watch
Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Nov 28, 2009 2:16 PM   
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Interesting sub-headline: "If men want to know what really turns women on, hetero porn is the last place they should look."

What does the author of the article expect? Same-gender porn is the LAST thing that most heterosexual men will watch. They sure as hall won't watch gay-male porn, but they're just as unlikely to watch lesbian porn, either -- their homophobia is THAT strong.

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Porn is wrong it destoys EVERYTHING in its path
Posted by: Chosen on Nov 28, 2009 6:37 PM   
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I would say that you are wrong if you masterbate then you are ruining a good love with someone special have you ever seen the movie fireproof and what happens when he does look at porn it destroys everything in its path. If you have not seen that movie then you should you will learn something. I am married and my husband is richard sievert you all that are addicted to porn need help before you end up alone and in hell that is where you will all go i would do something about it quick the movie that i mentioned is a life saver to me yea my husband and i had problems and thanks to my husbands ex wife we got that movie and it saved us so please go and see it and you will be thanking me later for it. Please get help for your addiction of sin

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Free porn destroys the fact you have to pay " Imploding in it's own black whole'
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 28, 2009 7:14 PM   
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Only by making it free will it go away. It is the insensitive unfeeling act of making money with sex'
Now we have large numbers of women that have to compete with this Barbi doll syndrome and the ken doll ball star also, You have watched porn there's one thing there goal is to do and that is to come.
If we can get large quantities of people to stop going because of the free alternative then less will go buy them in the market. Sex is and Industry it's the most lucrative diverse and flexible one's there is. Only by letting people serve themselves' Will it ever once again be a sacred thing that two people do in the privacy of there home. That's the way It was intended to be.
"To Be free all along'

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article ok, blurb poor
Posted by: whealeydj on Nov 28, 2009 7:54 PM   
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the sneer at hetero raised my hackles; is your blurb writer an an angry gay liberationist with heterophobia?

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Sex articles always garner discussion
Posted by: Bakari on Nov 28, 2009 10:04 PM   
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I'm willing to bet that the only reason articles like these are posted on non-erotic websites or magazines is to get reader response. And it typically works. Nothing wrong with that. We need as much discussion in this country about sex as we do about religion, because generalizations about the subject are more prevalent than facts based on real research. As we can see from the discussion thread, the author’s own views and biases only represent one view on the subject. There are many others.

Personally, while I understand that porn is just as much exploited and sexist as other forms of popular culture (mainly because it’s a business in a capitalist society, which destroys everything!) I think people can have a healthy view of porn and use constructively. What makes it difficult for most us porn watchers is that it’s not socially acceptable, though it’s a multi-billion industry. Plus, most of the world just wants to keep sex and porn in the bedroom, but attack it publicly. It’s all so hypocritical.

Personally, I like amateur porn in which men and women seem to be enjoying themselves. They’re not making a video to get rich, but they want to share their passion. Some of the most popular sites on the net now days are ones that include amateur porn. And yes, it’s also being exploited. But that doesn’t mean it can be enjoyed like watching anything else in the media.

And I don’t think I objectify my wife just because I watch porn. I try to be as caring and affectionate in our love making as I possibly can. I don’t view her as some porn actress, because she’s obviously not. But we both know that I have a stronger sex drive than she does, and so I use porn for sexual self-release. In other words, I masturbate to it. And quite frankly, I get tired about feeling guilty about it. I think it’s a shame in this late date in human history that women publicly exposing their breasts is against the law in many states. It’s even more a shame that so much about sex is taboo.

So as for how and why men treat women a certain way is far more complex than what this article attempts to share. It doesn’t even scratch the service. And I also don’t think men should always be blamed when it comes to problems inherent to heterosexual relations. Heterosexual men and woman are hard wired differently by nature, and we need to respect that. Plus, our understanding of sex is still evolving. We’re still almost like kids when it comes to sex. We can barely talk about it openly. We’re often made to feel ashamed about it, and most of us never get enough it.

But anyway, I’ve said. At least this article has provoked much needed discussion.

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Invite some ethnographic articles/studies
Posted by: Bakari on Nov 28, 2009 10:19 PM   
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Alternet, instead of more and more of these anti-porn articles, why not invite ethnographic-centered articles based real interviews with real people, who really enjoy having sex. The articles wouldn’t be couched in advice, but would be based on the real experiences of men and women, gays and lesbians.

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At least Alternet has priorities...
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 29, 2009 3:48 PM   
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...Climate-gate may have shown once and for all that Al Gore, Ted Turner and the GOLF-DELTA "Climateers' are full of Poo-poo (hope that didn't ruin some child's march toward adulthood in progressive America.)...Two wars may be raging and a third and forth threatening...we may be in a depression and millions jobless and losing homes...but, at least Alternet has its eye on the "penis" and ear to the "vagina" so as not to let its habitues miss any vital information regarding the pudenda of America.

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'Cord Jefferson' of nerve.butt?
Posted by: logansafi on Nov 29, 2009 5:49 PM   
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Alternet is really dredging up some real dickhead here from a dickhead website/mag! It actually makes one long for some Hustler stlyle schlock instead of this new Age faux feminist faux liberal drivel.

o', whip us, Alternet! Whip us hard! Make us want to cum. NOT!

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Perspective of a teenage girl
Posted by: Rebelmom on Nov 29, 2009 10:59 PM   
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Yep, I have a 15 year old daughter. I think most of you are missing the point and assume the author is writing about you. WRONG, she is bringing to light how the consumption of porn is a reality in our lives and it IS changing the way our sexual attitudes and behaviors will be for years to come.

Young people are especially messed up from what my daughter tells me. She has been raised overly-informed about sex and as a result she's very open with me: I've heard way too many lame stories about disrespectful boys, girls who are disrespectful of themselves(and other girls regarding sexual exploits) and the overall mechanical attitude about girl's and boy's(aka men's and women's)sexuality. It's the kids who aren't spoken to, who do what you MEN are talking about doing(porn addiction) that will change the sexual and social mores of the future generations. Just listen to any pop song, it's all about sexual gratification, objectifying women and men, group sex, bitches, and just today I heard snoop dogg basically giving a play by play of his latest sexual conquest.

Tell me this isn't different than when we were growing up? Just think about it. Pretend your 13 and going to Jr. high tomorrow morning. What's permeating the brains of the kids around you? Hmmmm not much room for love and kindness unless you're "shaved like a pornstar". Believe me, this is NO exaggeration. I actually feel bad for America's youth right now. It's intense to be a kid in this world.

Leave Alternet alone and don't read any articles about sex here if you don't like what they say. :-P

Keep up the great work alternet. I want more articles like this. I actually check in to see what you have under "sex and relationships" regualarly.
btw. I watch porn and I like it because it's not real, but we women like sex just as much as men! Derrr....

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This wonderful woman
Posted by: parça kontör on Nov 30, 2009 5:26 PM   
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How to use this ?
Posted by: bukoo on Dec 3, 2009 6:47 PM   
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That's not related to my sex experience,just ridiculous。
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This is such a cliche for women's passivity during sex
Posted by: jparsons on Dec 4, 2009 11:20 PM   
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"'You like that, baby? You like that?' he asked, though he didn't notice I wasn't answering."

OK, so it wasn't a brilliant question, but he did at least ask!
If you refuse to answer and wait for him to "notice", at least try not to
blame him for the bad sex, publicly, under your full name, for money.
He's an aroused man, not a mind reader.

And it may be true that too many
men know only about porn sex, but how will that improve
while too many women only believe in romantic sex
(where a truly sensitive man will instinctively
know exactly what you like without any discussion)?
That it's better to suffer, smirk, or yawn in silence than speak your
mind?

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So stop acting like prudes, already!
Posted by: LightningJoe on Dec 7, 2009 11:16 PM   
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There was recently a study proposal, to sort out lovemaking skills or some such, in reference to men who either had, or had not, viewed pornography.

This doubtless well-meaning study had to be canceled before it even started.

They couldn't find any men who hadn't viewed porn.

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ed hardy
Posted by: mxcm428 on Dec 22, 2009 4:51 PM   
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